and cost. is that the hundred and £69,000 — cost. is that the hundred and £69,000 per _ cost. is that the hundred and £69,000 per person - cost. is that the hundred and £69,000 per person it - cost. is that the hundred and £69,000 per person it will i cost. is that the hundred and i £69,000 per person it will cost cost. is that the hundred and - £69,000 per person it will cost to send someone to rwanda as the home office impact assessment put forward? i office impact assessment put forward? a, �* ~' office impact assessment put forward? i, �* ~ i, �*, i, forward? i don't think that's an accurate characterisation - forward? i don't think that's an i accurate characterisation because forward? i don't think that's an - accurate characterisation because we don't know the deterrent effect, until the scheme is operated, what we won't know was the final deterrent effect and our belief is there will be a significant deterrent effect and it has to be compared, the cost of the scheme, against the counterfactual where the costs are forecast to rise into the double digits billions of pounds for the asylum system as numbers rise. can ijust the asylum system as numbers rise. can i just ask you... the asylum system as numbers rise. can ijust ask you... last the asylum system as numbers rise. can i just ask you... last question. can i just ask you... last question. can i just ask you... last question. can i ask you on the point that the permanent secretary are still not willing to sign the rimando policy off because of the lack of value for money? they said it was entirely proper to pursue the scheme. if you read the letter, they were actually very clear. it is perfectly proper for

the government to continue with this scheme. we are trying something that has never been done before. the word use were regular, proper and feasible to proceed with this in light of a challenge that the uk is fighting. it is something we have never tried before. but fighting. it is something we have never tried before.— fighting. it is something we have never tried before. but there is no evidence? — never tried before. but there is no evidence? actually, _ never tried before. but there is no evidence? actually, i _ never tried before. but there is no evidence? actually, i do _ never tried before. but there is no evidence? actually, i do have - evidence? actually, i do have evidence _ evidence? actually, i do have evidence that _ evidence? actually, i do have evidence that the _ evidence? actually, i do have evidence that the deterrence | evidence? actually, i do have - evidence that the deterrence works, the albania partnership. it is a returns agreement with a country that allows us to return the vast majority of people do not... he said there is no evidence, we have a returns agreement with albania that has returned 5000 people to this country. but has returned 5000 people to this count . �* ., , ., , has returned 5000 people to this| country-_ the country. but not small boats. the number of — country. but not small boats. the number of arrivals _ country. but not small boats. the number of arrivals from _ country. but not small boats. the number of arrivals from albania i country. but not small boats. the - number of arrivals from albania down by 90%. are pretty good indication

that deterrence and returns works. sinemet returns are different to deterrence because that is in agreement. the last... hammy people is this government returning because yellow this government last year returned around 20,000 people. fix, returned around 20,000 people. a little less than one in every eight minutes — little less than one in every eight minutes. you talks about disclosing the course — minutes. you talks about disclosing the course of the rwanda project and you have _ the course of the rwanda project and you have retreated the line, it is perfectly— you have retreated the line, it is perfectly normal in terms of reporting to the public accounts committee and the departmental committees to report on projects on a different_ committees to report on projects on a different basis, especially something that is a flagship policy of yours — something that is a flagship policy of yours. producing information in the annual— of yours. producing information in the annual accounts, 15 months after the annual accounts, 15 months after the test— the annual accounts, 15 months after the last £100 million payment was

made _ the last £100 million payment was made to— the last £100 million payment was made to rwanda, were cut to be open and honest— made to rwanda, were cut to be open and honest about something that you are now— and honest about something that you are now championing as prime minister? _ are now championing as prime minister? what is the secrecy? as we have been very _ minister? what is the secrecy? as we have been very clear, _ minister? what is the secrecy? as we have been very clear, it _ minister? what is the secrecy? as we have been very clear, it may - minister? what is the secrecy? as we have been very clear, it may well- minister? what is the secrecy? as we have been very clear, it may well be i have been very clear, it may well be that we want to have discussions of other countries. it wouldn't be right to talk about these things if we are having private conversations with countries about the potential to monitors to add to our rwanda policy. sinemet i've been on the committee for years, i'm aware of the things that are talked about our confidential. , the things that are talked about our confidential.— confidential. there is no other utah moments of — confidential. there is no other utah moments of thing _ confidential. there is no other utah moments of thing stops _ confidential. there is no other utah moments of thing stops being - moments of thing stops being commercially confidential and then does and _ commercially confidential and then does and there is no longer confidential. there is no reason to have _ confidential. there is no reason to have a _ confidential. there is no reason to have 615— confidential. there is no reason to have a 15 month delay between payments made. the only reason is

because _ payments made. the only reason is because somebody in rwanda, there is an investigation going on... | because somebody in rwanda, there is an investigation going on. . ._ an investigation going on... i think we 'ust an investigation going on... i think we just have _ an investigation going on... i think we just have a _ an investigation going on... i think we just have a different _ an investigation going on... i think we just have a different point - an investigation going on... i think we just have a different point of. we just have a different point of view on this. i’m we just have a different point of view on this.— view on this. i'm not playing a oint, view on this. i'm not playing a point. he _ view on this. i'm not playing a point, he took _ view on this. i'm not playing a point, he took us _ view on this. i'm not playing a point, he took us through - view on this. i'm not playing a i point, he took us through covid, view on this. i'm not playing a - point, he took us through covid, i think— point, he took us through covid, i think you — point, he took us through covid, i think you understand those rules clearly _ think you understand those rules clearly. why are you not sharing with parliament and the public the money— with parliament and the public the money being spent on the's scheme? it's a five _ money being spent on the's scheme? it's a five year project he signed off as _ it's a five year project he signed off as chancellor. why did you not think— off as chancellor. why did you not think about asking those questions then push— think about asking those questions then push up my county that money with us? _ then push up my county that money with us? �* , then push up my county that money with us? �*, ., ., then push up my county that money withus? ., ., _ with us? there's annualtransparency of those numbers _ with us? there's annualtransparency of those numbers parliament. - with us? there's annualtransparency of those numbers parliament. it - with us? there's annualtransparency of those numbers parliament. it is i of those numbers parliament. it is not the normal _ of those numbers parliament. it is not the normal transparency that is

provideu _ not the normal transparency that is provided. one other projects, hsz, we are _ provided. one other projects, hsz, we are receiving six monthly reports. _ we are receiving six monthly reports, that is a normal approach and it— reports, that is a normal approach and it is— reports, that is a normal approach and it is normal on a routine basis, it is a _ and it is normal on a routine basis, it is a flagship policy of yours, what — it is a flagship policy of yours, what is — it is a flagship policy of yours, what is there to hide? there should be nothing — what is there to hide? there should be nothing to hide. the what is there to hide? there should be nothing to hide.— be nothing to hide. the scale of ours, be nothing to hide. the scale of yours. what _ be nothing to hide. the scale of yours. what is _ be nothing to hide. the scale of yours, what is there _ be nothing to hide. the scale of yours, what is there to - be nothing to hide. the scale of yours, what is there to hide? i be nothing to hide. the scale of - yours, what is there to hide? there should be nothing to hide. the scales hs2 compared to this is very different. sinemet so it's about the scale? hst was a single biggest project that the government is undertaking. the cost of phase one... the h s two reporting, that is a normal thing that we negotiate with departments. maybe there will be some correspondence about this matter but

i think it is interesting that you have suggested the government is in conversation with third countries. i conversation with third countries. i didn't say that it was. i said that if it was, it would clearly be a reason that it would like to conduct these discussions in private. in rome, you very rightly drew attention to the need to renegotiate what i _ attention to the need to renegotiate what i would call the global not about _ what i would call the global not about a — what i would call the global not about a date about international immigration laws, including a law by which _ immigration laws, including a law by which my— immigration laws, including a law by which my scrutiny committee is reporting — which my scrutiny committee is reporting about the moment. from the position— reporting about the moment. from the position tast _ reporting about the moment. from the position last month, i am well aware that when— position last month, i am well aware that when i_ position last month, i am well aware that when i was in madrid by the other— that when i was in madrid by the other european scrutiny committee chairman. _ other european scrutiny committee chairman, that they are actually tearing — chairman, that they are actually tearing their hair out because, as i mentioned — tearing their hair out because, as i mentioned on the second reading, they are _

mentioned on the second reading, they are having eu refugee quotas and compulsory fines imposed on them by majority— and compulsory fines imposed on them by majority vote. when i was in a position. — by majority vote. when i was in a position. we _ by majority vote. when i was in a position, we are in that position because — position, we are in that position because we are out of the yuan because — because we are out of the yuan because of brexit. so you agree that if we have _ because of brexit. so you agree that if we have a — because of brexit. so you agree that if we have a longer timetable to be able to— if we have a longer timetable to be able to engage in proper discussions before _ able to engage in proper discussions before the _ able to engage in proper discussions before the committee change on the rwanda _ before the committee change on the rwanda bill so that it is in line with— rwanda bill so that it is in line with what— rwanda bill so that it is in line with what our own parliamentary, our own taw _ with what our own parliamentary, our own law making and our own voters, pa rticuta rty _ own law making and our own voters, particularly in respect of out—of—date international obligation. they would have a massive — obligation. they would have a massive brexit dividend because we could _ massive brexit dividend because we could then — massive brexit dividend because we could then lead internationally and at the _ could then lead internationally and at the same time, have a bill which would _

at the same time, have a bill which would fully— at the same time, have a bill which would fully work, which is an enormous _ would fully work, which is an enormous opportunity for us to get it right _ enormous opportunity for us to get it right and — enormous opportunity for us to get it right and if we get that right, then— it right and if we get that right, then we — it right and if we get that right, then we will satisfy the national interest? — then we will satisfy the national interest? ., then we will satisfy the national interest? . ., interest? that were the team question. _ interest? that were the team question. you _ interest? that were the team question, you may— interest? that were the team question, you may have - interest? that were the team question, you may have a - interest? that were the team - question, you may have a two-minute question, you may have a two—minute answer. —— a two—minute question. illegal gration is wrong and it's not fair that is why made it a priority to stop it and an important part of that is our new legislation, giving us the powers we need to make sure the rwanda policy is up and running as quickly as possible. remain committed to the legislation and i have always happy to have dialogue with colleagues about how to make sure that that is as effective as possible. i thank you for your input into that. more broadly, i think it also lives in the fact that this is a conversation that we are not in isolation in

having and certainly my conversations with other leaders demonstrated also they have frustration with the situation they are dealing with in their countries. this issue of illegal migration is only growing both in number and is a challenge, everyone is looking at creative ways to address it. italy has embarked box in partnership with albania and that is just a sign of what is to come which is why i'm going to keep talking to other leaders about how we can work tethered to make sure all the frameworks we are operating under our fit frameworks we are operating under ourfit for frameworks we are operating under our fit for today's age and allowing us to stop this awful trade at the criminal gangs are applying and people are losing their lives. {guild people are losing their lives. could i ask a final — people are losing their lives. could i ask a final question _ people are losing their lives. could i ask a final question which - people are losing their lives. could i ask a final question which is - people are losing their lives. could i ask a final question which is can you make — i ask a final question which is can you make sure we have a proper timetable — you make sure we have a proper timetable so that this dialogue that is going _ timetable so that this dialogue that is going on can be made really effective? can we have a long enough timetable _ effective? can we have a long enough timetable before the committee stage to make _ timetable before the committee stage to make quite sure that we have a

real discussion to ensure that we make _ real discussion to ensure that we make the — real discussion to ensure that we make the bill fairly effective? and alwa s make the bill fairly effective? and always happy _ make the bill fairly effective? and always happy to — make the bill fairly effective? 2:1c always happy to engage make the bill fairly effective? 2.1c always happy to engage with colleagues and i think some of that... ., ., ., ., , that... you are not quite answering my question- _ that... you are not quite answering my question. that _ that... you are not quite answering my question. that conversation - that... you are not quite answering j my question. that conversation has already started _ my question. that conversation has already started and _ my question. that conversation has already started and is _ my question. that conversation has already started and is happening i already started and is happening today and will continue to do so and intensively. today and will continue to do so and intensivel . ., , , today and will continue to do so and intensively-— intensively. perhaps i can be an agreement— intensively. perhaps i can be an agreement at — intensively. perhaps i can be an agreement at the _ intensively. perhaps i can be an agreement at the committee i intensively. perhaps i can be an - agreement at the committee stage. we are now ready to move onto the next lot of questions by the economy, the cost of living and promoting investment. we start with the chairman of of the energy and committee, angus mcneil. there is the view across _ committee, angus mcneil. there is the view across the _ committee, angus mcneil. there is the view across the world, - committee, angus mcneil. there is the view across the world, but - committee, angus mcneil. there is the view across the world, but i - committee, angus mcneil. there is the view across the world, but i do | the view across the world, but i do want _ the view across the world, but i do want to— the view across the world, but i do want to mention is the ceasefire in gaza _ want to mention is the ceasefire in gaza 0n _ want to mention is the ceasefire in gaza. on the 15th of november,

"200 — gaza. on the 15th of november, 11,200 people dead in gaza, there is now 90,000 dead in gaza. that is 16 times— now 90,000 dead in gaza. that is 16 times the _ now 90,000 dead in gaza. that is 16 times the 7th of october. isn't it time _ times the 7th of october. isn't it time that— times the 7th of october. isn't it time that you did put your voice behind — time that you did put your voice behind the hundreds of countries in the world _ behind the hundreds of countries in the world that are asking for a ceasefire? | the world that are asking for a ceasefire?— the world that are asking for a ceasefire? ~ . ., , , ceasefire? i think i have addressed this in a question _ ceasefire? i think i have addressed this in a question just _ ceasefire? i think i have addressed this in a question just last - ceasefire? i think i have addressed this in a question just last week. ceasefire? i think i have addressed this in a question just last week in| this in a question just last week in parliament, where i said we have been consistent in calling for sustained humanitarian causes. but that has to be the ceasefire that we have spoken about before, threat to have spoken about before, threat to have the conditions to be sustainable, for hostages to be released, and hamas not to be firing rockets into israel. that are the

conditions of what a sustainable ceasefire is and we are having that conversation with other colleagues around the world. as i have said very clearly, no one wants this conflict go on for a moment longer thanis conflict go on for a moment longer than is necessary but it is important that last ceasefire is sustainable and those are some of the underlying conditions.- the underlying conditions. telling to co 26, the underlying conditions. telling to cop 26. one — the underlying conditions. telling to cop 26, one speech, _ the underlying conditions. telling to cop 26, one speech, that - the underlying conditions. telling - to cop 26, one speech, that combined with cars _ to cop 26, one speech, that combined with cars and — to cop 26, one speech, that combined with cars and domestic wireless, changing — with cars and domestic wireless, changing the carbon budgets, do you think it _ changing the carbon budgets, do you think it is _ changing the carbon budgets, do you think it isjust political positioning prior to the general election? — positioning prior to the general election? , ., , ., , ., election? yes, i am serious about it i am proud — election? yes, i am serious about it i am proud of _ election? yes, i am serious about it i am proud of the _ election? yes, i am serious about it i am proud of the uk's _ election? yes, i am serious about it i am proud of the uk's record. - i going forward, if you look at our

ndc, our nationally determined contributions the 2035... you have asked the question, am i serious about it? my seriousness is demonstrated in other commitments, 68% to 2035, more ambitious than the eu at 35,... , , 68% to 2035, more ambitious than the euat35,... , ,., 68% to 2035, more ambitious than the euat35,... , , ., eu at 35,... this is a sex are fine, but i want — eu at 35,... this is a sex are fine, but i want to _ eu at 35,... this is a sex are fine, but i want to move _ eu at 35,... this is a sex are fine, but i want to move on _ eu at 35,... this is a sex are fine, but i want to move on to - eu at 35,... this is a sex are fine, but i want to move on to the -- i but i want to move on to the —— statistics— but i want to move on to the —— statistics are _ but i want to move on to the —— statistics are fine. when companies are being _ statistics are fine. when companies are being protected by the regulator to put— are being protected by the regulator to put up— are being protected by the regulator to put up domestic prices because of unpaid _ to put up domestic prices because of unpaid bills — to put up domestic prices because of unpaid bills but they are making huge _ unpaid bills but they are making huge profits. 900% up from the same period _ huge profits. 900% up from the same period in— huge profits. 900% up from the same period in 2022, british gas. the french— period in 2022, british gas. the french stained owned edf are making an absolute _ french stained owned edf are making an absolute fortune, scottishpower has deemed their profit up to, aeon two.

has deemed their profit up to, aeon two it— has deemed their profit up to, aeon two. , , , two. it is interesting, the first . uestion two. it is interesting, the first question is — two. it is interesting, the first question is about _ two. it is interesting, the first question is about we - two. it is interesting, the first question is about we are - two. it is interesting, the first i question is about we are walking about, which we are not. and the next question is about consumer bills. sinemet enhancing profits, thatis bills. sinemet enhancing profits, that is what it is... i do think my approach to net zero is one which is pragmatic, because i care about the impact on family finances. iis pragmatic, because i care about the impact on family finances. iii? a impact on family finances. is a rice cut impact on family finances. is a price cut going _ impact on family finances. is a price cut going to _ impact on family finances. is a price cut going to rise? where| impact on family finances. is a - price cut going to rise? where there are opportunities _ price cut going to rise? where there are opportunities to _ price cut going to rise? where there are opportunities to save _ price cut going to rise? where there are opportunities to save families, l are opportunities to save families, keeping us done are not doing it in a proportionate way, i think that is the right thing to do to ease the

cost of living pressures on families. i am demented when for tax on energy companies, 75% —— when full tax, and we have used that money from the tax to help pay around half of the typical family's energy bill over the past year. that is what we have done. 75% when full tax on energy companies, use that money to help pay for the average family's half energy bill. the living standards gap 8300 between typical households in britain, — between typical households in britain, combine with that, the lot