past few minutes, a gaza. in the past few minutes, a senior hamas official has confirmed that it bbc it has submitted its response to a cease—fire deal. hunter biden is found guilty of three felony gun charges in the first criminal conviction of a child of a sitting us president. a portrait of the king is targeted by animal rights protesters just one month after being hung at a gallery in london. around 2 million british ex—pats are getting their boat back onjuly four. in the past, any uk citizen who lived abroad for more than 15 years was not as you but to participate, but the rules have been change. our european respondent nick beake provided. prior traditions

echoes through the house of andalusia. it was here flamenco first onto the stage 2000 years ago. the land of distinctive rhythm and cues, of a landscapejust made the land of distinctive rhythm and cues, of a landscape just made for postcards. and these long injected british visitors they decided to stay. the stated retired in 1998, but once she had been here 15 years, she lost her right to vote in uk general elections. the recent law change means she can vote once again next month. i change means she can vote once again next month-— next month. i am very pleased to have some _ next month. i am very pleased to have some sort _ next month. i am very pleased to have some sort of _ next month. i am very pleased to have some sort of stake - next month. i am very pleased to have some sort of stake in - next month. i am very pleased to have some sort of stake in what i have some sort of stake in what happen in the uk again, albeitjust one vote and having been very frustrated and distressed not to have had a vote when the brexit referendum happened, iam pleased things have changed now. at referendum happened, i am pleased things have changed now.— things have changed now. at the weekly quiz _

things have changed now. at the weekly quiz at — things have changed now. at the weekly quiz at this _ things have changed now. at the weekly quiz at this bar, - things have changed now. at the weekly quiz at this bar, the - things have changed now. at the weekly quiz at this bar, the vast| weekly quiz at this bar, the vast majority of participants are british. 10% of the publishing of this munificent —— municipality are from the uk. at this munificent -- municipality are from the uk-_ this munificent -- municipality are from the uk. at the end of the day i'm british through and _ from the uk. at the end of the day i'm british through and through . from the uk. at the end of the day i'm british through and through so | from the uk. at the end of the day| i'm british through and through so i do really like to see what is going on at home. my son and my family lived there, they are all in the uk. so it is nice to know what is happening there and nice to be up to participate, possibly, to have our opinions. i participate, possibly, to have our oinions. , ., , ., participate, possibly, to have our oinions. , ., ., opinions. i used to be a teacher and i'm keen on — opinions. i used to be a teacher and i'm keen on seeing that _ opinions. i used to be a teacher and i'm keen on seeing that teachers i i'm keen on seeing that teachers rights _ i'm keen on seeing that teachers rights are — i'm keen on seeing that teachers rights are protected, and the connections and schools, and also the welfare in the national health one day— the welfare in the national health one day i— the welfare in the national health one day i may go back and hospitals are very— one day i may go back and hospitals are very important.— are very important. there are about 9000 bricks — are very important. there are about 9000 bricks living _ are very important. there are about 9000 bricks living in _ are very important. there are about 9000 bricks living in this _ are very important. there are about 9000 bricks living in this region, i 9000 bricks living in this region, many have been here for 15 years or more, they'll not be able to cast their ballot at the uk general election. but some experts say even

though they have these rights, they will not be voting.— will not be voting. they're very small at the — will not be voting. they're very small at the moment. - will not be voting. they're very small at the moment. bill- small at the moment. bill anderson, a retired lecture _ small at the moment. bill anderson, a retired lecture has _ small at the moment. bill anderson, a retired lecture has been _ small at the moment. bill anderson, a retired lecture has been in - small at the moment. bill anderson, a retired lecture has been in spain i a retired lecture has been in spain 22 years, but feels much more invested here. in action in uk on july the 4th. will you be voting in that? ., ., �* , ., that? no, i won't be voting in it because that? no, iwon't be voting in it because i— that? no, i won't be voting in it because i left — that? no, i won't be voting in it because i left the _ that? no, i won't be voting in it because i left the uk _ that? no, i won't be voting in it because i left the uk behind. i that? no, i won't be voting in it - because i left the uk behind. spain is my home now. i don't even know if i feel i have the right to try to influence what is happening in the uk when i don't live there any more, and i don't pay taxes. bill and i don't pay taxes. all eligible british ex-pats _ and i don't pay taxes. all eligible british ex-pats have _ and i don't pay taxes. all eligible british ex-pats have the - and i don't pay taxes. all eligible british ex-pats have the 18th - and i don't pay taxes. all eligible british ex-pats have the 18th of i british ex—pats have the 18th of june to register to vote so that from a fire they can help shape the british political landscape. nick beake, bbc news on the costa del sol. time now to digest the day's election campaigning in newscast with adam fleming and the team.

i want to start today's episode on a heartfelt apology, i won't say for some, because it is been previously settled this word is misuse. under previous newscast, i said robert peel previous newscast, i said robert peel, the prime minister in 1984, thatis peel, the prime minister in 1984, that is home has not been turned into a new spark, and i said it'd been a world of adventures. i misremembered my theme parks, it is actually drayton manor, i'm happy to correct the record and happy to apologise to all theme park friends who wanted out. hopefully that an semester. 0n happier news, that's of new scots or is got in touch when chris and i forgot to come up with a name for this week when we got party manifesto was published one after the other, but plenty of newscasters jumped into the breach to save us. nick said, how about the newscast manifest of all? and he goes after mine and says you can decorate the

studio with relevant party bunching. john said, great show, with festival season approaching, can you call it the manifesto and be? 0r, fast and very question mark and he goes it extra mile and says you can have a different party headlining the main stage each day. john, we are kind of doing that, to date with the launch of the conservative party manifesto, which i would discuss on this very episode of newscast.— which i would discuss on this very episode of newscast. newscast from the bbc. episode of newscast. newscast from the sac. hello, — episode of newscast. newscast from the sac. hello, it's _ episode of newscast. newscast from the sac. hello, it's item _ episode of newscast. newscast from the bbc. hello, it's item in - the bbc. hello, it's item in the studio and _ the bbc. hello, it's item in the studio and from _ the bbc. hello, it's item in the studio and from this _ the bbc. hello, it's item in the studio and from this extensive | studio and from this extensive investigation into the conservative party, why are you laughing faisal was marked and nick is here as well. are you ensuring —— enjoying your extra years from initial? hate are you ensuring -- enjoying your extra years from initial?— extra years from initial? we are now. we

extra years from initial? we are now- we were _ extra years from initial? we are now. we were lead _ extra years from initial? we are now. we were lead presenter i extra years from initial? we are - now. we were lead presenter here, faisal islam. i now. we were lead presenter here, faisal islan— now. we were lead presenter here, faisal islam— faisal islam. i would not say leading- _ faisal islam. i would not say leading- i— faisal islam. i would not say leading. ithink_ faisal islam. i would not say leading. i think faisal- faisal islam. i would not say leading. i think faisal islam | faisal islam. i would not say - leading. i think faisal islam raises the initial bumper _ leading. i think faisal islam raises the initial bumper will _ leading. i think faisal islam raises the initial bumper will stop - leading. i think faisal islam raises the initial bumper will stop i - leading. i think faisal islam raises the initial bumper will stop i feel i the initial bumper will stop i feel like a picnic compared to both of you, and it's important chris mason will bejoining us you, and it's important chris mason will be joining us from you, and it's important chris mason will bejoining us from silverstone where the conservatives launch their manifesto on tuesday morning. let’s manifesto on tuesday morning. let's see how many _ manifesto on tuesday morning. let's see how many formula _ manifesto on tuesday morning. let's see how many formula 1 _ manifesto on tuesday morning. let's see how many formula ijokes. this see how many formula 1jokes. this is like it rishi sunak manifesto speech are ready. can you in the picture of the scene, nick? the scene was _ picture of the scene, nick? the scene was at — picture of the scene, nick? the scene was at the _ picture of the scene, nick? iie: scene was at the silverstone racetrack which i've never been to before, you have these incredibly smart building on each side of the racetrack, one is a hotel and other e conference centre, and we had to walk across this bridge across the racetrack which was very exciting and i never did that before. especially because brad pitt was filming a formula 1 from there. brad pitt was filming _ filming a formula 1 from there. brad pitt was filming and _ filming a formula 1 from there. ear. pitt was filming and every so often because we are sitting there, you heard the car zooming past, moving very quickly from the benefit film.

nick, i am afraid he would not be overtaken by chris mason, who is still there. overtaken by chris mason, who is still there-— overtaken by chris mason, who is still there. , ., ., ., still there. yes, hello, i am moving fast, we still there. yes, hello, i am moving fast. we are — still there. yes, hello, i am moving fast. we are in _ still there. yes, hello, i am moving fast, we are in the _ fast, we are in the slow lane actually— fast, we are in the slow lane actually on _ fast, we are in the slow lane actually on the _ fast, we are in the slow lane actually on the e _ fast, we are in the slow lane actually on the e 43, - fast, we are in the slow lane actually on the e 43, we - fast, we are in the slow lane actually on the e 43, we just fast, we are in the slow lane - actually on the e 43, we just left silverstone, _ actually on the e 43, we just left silverstone, i— actually on the e 43, we just left silverstone, i did _ actually on the e 43, we just left silverstone, i did like _ actually on the e 43, we just left silverstone, i did like your- actually on the e 43, we just left| silverstone, i did like your motor racing _ silverstone, i did like your motor racing car— silverstone, i did like your motor racing car knowledge _ silverstone, i did like your motor racing car knowledge there, - silverstone, i did like your motorl racing car knowledge there, nick. silverstone, i did like your motor. racing car knowledge there, nick. it was really— racing car knowledge there, nick. it was really good _ racing car knowledge there, nick. it was really good. it— racing car knowledge there, nick. it was really good. [it is _ racing car knowledge there, nick. it was really good-— was really good. it is unbelievably loud, isn't it? _ was really good. it is unbelievably loud, isn't it? all— was really good. it is unbelievably loud, isn't it? all right, _ was really good. it is unbelievably loud, isn't it? all right, by - was really good. it is unbelievably loud, isn't it? all right, by petro l loud, isn't it? all right, by petro heads, listening _ loud, isn't it? all right, by petro heads, listening to _ loud, isn't it? all right, by petro heads, listening to meg - loud, isn't it? all right, by petro heads, listening to meg james i loud, isn't it? all right, by petro| heads, listening to meg james is a form of the one podcast which is good if you like that. chris, pick up good if you like that. chris, pick up the bite on from nick, he was explaining the layouts, just give us the optics. the explaining the layouts, 'ust give us the otics. .,, . , ., the optics. the optics were that if ou do the optics. the optics were that if you do not _ the optics. the optics were that if you do not know _ the optics. the optics were that if you do not know that _ the optics. the optics were that if you do not know that there - the optics. the optics were that if you do not know that there was i the optics. the optics were that if| you do not know that there was at silverstone — you do not know that there was at silverstone with _ you do not know that there was at silverstone with our— you do not know that there was at silverstone with our motor- you do not know that there was at silverstone with our motor racing i silverstone with our motor racing side effects. _ silverstone with our motor racing side effects, you _ silverstone with our motor racing side effects, you would _ silverstone with our motor racing side effects, you would not - silverstone with our motor racing side effects, you would not know| silverstone with our motor racing i side effects, you would not know it was there. — side effects, you would not know it was there, because _ side effects, you would not know it was there, because of _ side effects, you would not know it was there, because of the - side effects, you would not know it was there, because of the pit - side effects, you would not know it was there, because of the pit and i was there, because of the pit and his cell— was there, because of the pit and his cell number— was there, because of the pit and his cell number out _ was there, because of the pit and his cell number out on _ was there, because of the pit and his cell number out on the - was there, because of the pit and his cell number out on the track, | his cell number out on the track, there _ his cell number out on the track, there wasn't _ his cell number out on the track, there wasn't anything _ his cell number out on the track, there wasn't anything in - his cell number out on the track, there wasn't anything in the - his cell number out on the track, there wasn't anything in the kind j his cell number out on the track, i there wasn't anything in the kind of visit from _ there wasn't anything in the kind of visit from the — there wasn't anything in the kind of visit from the prime _ there wasn't anything in the kind of visit from the prime minister- there wasn't anything in the kind of visit from the prime minister and l visit from the prime minister and the cabinet — visit from the prime minister and the cabinet that _ visit from the prime minister and the cabinet that would _

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ministers but not all in some conservative activists, not i ministers but not all in some| conservative activists, not all ministers but not all in some - conservative activists, not all that many _ conservative activists, not all that many conservative _ conservative activists, not all that many conservative candidates - conservative activists, not all that many conservative candidates are| many conservative candidates are beyond _ many conservative candidates are beyond those _ many conservative candidates are beyond those in _ many conservative candidates are beyond those in the _ many conservative candidates are beyond those in the cabinet - many conservative candidates are beyond those in the cabinet whoi many conservative candidates are . beyond those in the cabinet who are standing _ beyond those in the cabinet who are standing again— beyond those in the cabinet who are standing again bears _ beyond those in the cabinet who are standing again bears folks _ beyond those in the cabinet who are standing again bears folks said - 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from knocking on doors and the kind of pavement politics that they are i of pavement politics that they are trained _ of pavement politics that they are trained to— of pavement politics that they are trained to win _ of pavement politics that they are trained to win a _ of pavement politics that they are trained to win a seat. _ of pavement politics that they are trained to win a seat. it _ of pavement politics that they are trained to win a seat. it had - of pavement politics that they are trained to win a seat. it had that. trained to win a seat. it had that sense _ trained to win a seat. it had that sense of— trained to win a seat. it had that sense of occasion. _ trained to win a seat. it had that sense of occasion. there - trained to win a seat. it had that sense of occasion. there was i trained to win a seat. it had that| sense of occasion. there was the regulatory— sense of occasion. there was the regulatory snazzy _ sense of occasion. there was the regulatory snazzy video - sense of occasion. there was the regulatory snazzy video at - 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rishi sunak getting off the bus and all that kind of stuff, but i tell- all that kind of stuff, but i tell you what _ all that kind of stuff, but i tell you what i_ all that kind of stuff, but i tell you what i notice, _ all that kind of stuff, but i tell you what i notice, and will- all that kind of stuff, but i tellj you what i notice, and will get into more _ you what i notice, and will get into more detail— you what i notice, and will get into more detail later— you what i notice, and will get into more detail later on _ you what i notice, and will get into more detail later on in _ you what i notice, and will get into more detail later on in news - more detail later on in news video video— more detail later on in news video video on— more detail later on in news video video on the — more detail later on in news video video on the beginning _ more detail later on in news video video on the beginning and - more detail later on in news video video on the beginning and the i video on the beginning and the undertone _ video on the beginning and the undertone of— video on the beginning and the undertone of what _ video on the beginning and the i undertone of what conservatives video on the beginning and the - 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about— seen publicly as well is musing about privately, _ seen publicly as well is musing about privately, is _ seen publicly as well is musing about privately, is that - seen publicly as well is musing about privately, is that tacit i about privately, is that tacit acknowledgement - about privately, is that tacit acknowledgement of- about privately, is that tacit acknowledgement of the i about privately, is that tacit - acknowledgement of the possibility or likelihood — acknowledgement of the possibility or likelihood of— acknowledgement of the possibility or likelihood of defeat, _ acknowledgement of the possibility or likelihood of defeat, the - acknowledgement of the possibility or likelihood of defeat, the idea i or likelihood of defeat, the idea that maximising _ or likelihood of defeat, the idea that maximising the _ or likelihood of defeat, the idea. that maximising the conservative vote is— that maximising the conservative vote is around _ that maximising the conservative vote is around minimising - that maximising the conservative vote is around minimising the i that maximising the conservative i vote is around minimising the labour party— vote is around minimising the labour party when, — vote is around minimising the labour party when, rather— vote is around minimising the labour party when, rather than _ vote is around minimising the labour party when, rather than preventing l party when, rather than preventing the labour— party when, rather than preventing the labour party— party when, rather than preventing the labour party win. _ party when, rather than preventing the labour party win. of— party when, rather than preventing the labour party win. of course, i the labour party win. of course, conservatives _ the labour party win. of course, conservatives would _ the labour party win. of course, conservatives would say- the labour party win. of course, conservatives would say they i the labour party win. of course, | conservatives would say they are going _ conservatives would say they are going all — conservatives would say they are going all out _ conservatives would say they are going all out for— conservatives would say they are going all out for every— conservatives would say they are going all out for every vote - conservatives would say they are going all out for every vote and i going all out for every vote and they— going all out for every vote and they want— going all out for every vote and they want to _ going all out for every vote and they want to win, _ going all out for every vote and they want to win, but _ going all out for every vote and they want to win, but it - going all out for every vote and they want to win, but it is i they want to win, but it is interesting _ they want to win, but it is interesting hearing - they want to win, but it is interesting hearing that l they want to win, but it is i interesting hearing that slight tilt, both _ interesting hearing that slight tilt, both in— interesting hearing that slight tilt, both in their— interesting hearing that slight tilt, both in their online - tilt, both in their online advertising, _ tilt, both in their online advertising, which i tilt, both in their online advertising, which is i tilt, both in their online - advertising, which is warning, as they— advertising, which is warning, as they see, — advertising, which is warning, as they see, the _ advertising, which is warning, as they see, the dangers _ advertising, which is warning, as they see, the dangers of- advertising, which is warning, as they see, the dangers of a - advertising, which is warning, asl they see, the dangers of a labour party— they see, the dangers of a labour party majority, _ they see, the dangers of a labour party majority, but _ they see, the dangers of a labour party majority, but also _ they see, the dangers of a labour party majority, but also in - they see, the dangers of a labour party majority, but also in the i they see, the dangers of a labour. party majority, but also in the week they frame — party majority, but also in the week they frame some _ party majority, but also in the week they frame some of _ party majority, but also in the week they frame some of their— party majority, but also in the week| they frame some of their arguments within— they frame some of their arguments within three — they frame some of their arguments within three weeks _ they frame some of their arguments within three weeks down, _ they frame some of their arguments within three weeks down, almost, . they frame some of their arguments . within three weeks down, almost, and three and _ within three weeks down, almost, and three and a _ within three weeks down, almost, and three and a bit— within three weeks down, almost, and three and a bit weeks _ within three weeks down, almost, and three and a bit weeks ago. _ within three weeks down, almost, and three and a bit weeks ago. the - within three weeks down, almost, and three and a bit weeks ago.— three and a bit weeks ago. the way rishi sunak — three and a bit weeks ago. the way rishi sunak did _ three and a bit weeks ago. the way rishi sunak did that _ three and a bit weeks ago. the way rishi sunak did that was _ three and a bit weeks ago. the way rishi sunak did that was talking i rishi sunak did that was talking about keir starmer pledge to reduce the voting age to 16, so 16 and 17 euros can vote, and rishi sunak said thatis euros can vote, and rishi sunak said that is an almost a way of an independence in the electoral system so labour can stay in power than they might even longer than the current electoral system. he also did that thing that he started doing

which is sort of apologising a bit for the last 14 years. this is how he did it. �* ., , ., he did it. i'm not blind to the fact that people _ he did it. i'm not blind to the fact that people are — he did it. i'm not blind to the fact that people are frustrated - he did it. i'm not blind to the factl that people are frustrated with our party and frustrated with me. things have not always been easy and we have not always been easy and we have not always been easy and we have not got everything right. but we are the only party in this election with a big idea to make our country a better place to live. that's an apology, more and acknowledgement, chris, i don't know how long we got you, can you pick out one thing from the manifesto that you think is a really big thing to talk about?— to talk about? for me, it's art of two things _ to talk about? for me, it's art of two things that _ to talk about? for me, it's art of two things that underlines i to talk about? for me, it's art of two things that underlines to i to talk about? for me, it's art ofj two things that underlines to me that this — two things that underlines to me that this is — two things that underlines to me that this is rishi _ two things that underlines to me that this is rishi sunak's - that this is rishi sunak's manifesto, _ that this is rishi sunak's manifesto, it— that this is rishi sunak's manifesto, it is- that this is rishi sunak's manifesto, it is his i that this is rishi sunak's - manifesto, it is his conservatism that this is rishi sunak's _ manifesto, it is his conservatism in 70 odd _ manifesto, it is his conservatism in 70 odd pages _ manifesto, it is his conservatism in 70 odd pages the _ manifesto, it is his conservatism in 70 odd pages. the controlling i manifesto, it is his conservatism in 70 odd pages. the controlling part| 70 odd pages. the controlling part of the _ 70 odd pages. the controlling part of the whole — 70 odd pages. the controlling part of the whole thing _ 70 odd pages. the controlling part of the whole thing is _ 70 odd pages. the controlling part of the whole thing is divided - 70 odd pages. the controlling part of the whole thing is divided 90 i of the whole thing is divided 90 conservatives— of the whole thing is divided 90 conservatives are _ of the whole thing is divided 90 conservatives are attempted i of the whole thing is divided 90 conservatives are attempted to| of the whole thing is divided 90 i conservatives are attempted to paint between _ conservatives are attempted to paint between themselves _ conservatives are attempted to paint between themselves and _ conservatives are attempted to paint between themselves and labour i between themselves and labour regarding — between themselves and labour regarding tax _ between themselves and labour regarding tax cuts _ between themselves and labour regarding tax cuts and - between themselves and labour regarding tax cuts and the - between themselves and labour regarding tax cuts and the case | regarding tax cuts and the case study _ regarding tax cuts and the case study of — regarding tax cuts and the case study of that _ regarding tax cuts and the case study of that was _ regarding tax cuts and the case study of that was the _ regarding tax cuts and the case study of that was the national. study of that was the national insurance _ study of that was the national insurance cuts, _ study of that was the national insurance cuts, in _ study of that was the national insurance cuts, in particular. study of that was the national.

insurance cuts, in particular that desire _ insurance cuts, in particular that desire to — insurance cuts, in particular that desire to eradicate _ insurance cuts, in particular that i desire to eradicate self—employed national— desire to eradicate self—employed national insurance _ desire to eradicate self—employed national insurance within - desire to eradicate self—employed national insurance within the i desire to eradicate self—employed national insurance within the next| national insurance within the next parliament, — national insurance within the next parliament, and _ national insurance within the next parliament, and also _ national insurance within the next parliament, and also the - national insurance within the next parliament, and also the stuff i national insurance within the next parliament, and also the stuff on| parliament, and also the stuff on stamp _ parliament, and also the stuff on stamp duty. _ parliament, and also the stuff on stamp duty. but— parliament, and also the stuff on stamp duty, but there _ parliament, and also the stuff on stamp duty, but there was - parliament, and also the stuff on stamp duty, but there was not i stamp duty, but there was not anything — stamp duty, but there was not anything there _ stamp duty, but there was not anything there on— stamp duty, but there was not anything there on income i stamp duty, but there was not anything there on income tax. stamp duty, but there was not. anything there on income tax or inheritance _ anything there on income tax or inheritance tax. _ anything there on income tax or inheritance tax. and _ anything there on income tax or inheritance tax. and then - anything there on income tax or inheritance tax. and then on i anything there on income tax or. inheritance tax. and then on small boats_ inheritance tax. and then on small boats and — inheritance tax. and then on small boats and rwanda, _ inheritance tax. and then on small boats and rwanda, the _ inheritance tax. and then on small boats and rwanda, the desire - inheritance tax. and then on small boats and rwanda, the desire to. boats and rwanda, the desire to deliver_ boats and rwanda, the desire to deliver the — boats and rwanda, the desire to deliver the rwanda _ boats and rwanda, the desire to deliver the rwanda scheme, - boats and rwanda, the desire to deliver the rwanda scheme, buti boats and rwanda, the desire to- deliver the rwanda scheme, but not to withdraw — deliver the rwanda scheme, but not to withdraw from _ deliver the rwanda scheme, but not to withdraw from the _ deliver the rwanda scheme, but not to withdraw from the european - to withdraw from the european convention _ to withdraw from the european convention on _ to withdraw from the european convention on human - to withdraw from the european convention on human rights. i to withdraw from the european i convention on human rights. so to withdraw from the european - convention on human rights. so you have those _ convention on human rights. so you have those who _ convention on human rights. so you have those who are _ convention on human rights. so you have those who are supportive - convention on human rights. so you have those who are supportive of- have those who are supportive of rishi _ have those who are supportive of rishi sunak— have those who are supportive of rishi sunak and _ have those who are supportive of rishi sunak and say _ have those who are supportive of rishi sunak and say it— have those who are supportive of rishi sunak and say it is- have those who are supportive of rishi sunak and say it is very- have those who are supportive of. rishi sunak and say it is very much in his_ rishi sunak and say it is very much in his image, — rishi sunak and say it is very much in his image, as— rishi sunak and say it is very much in his image, as they— rishi sunak and say it is very much in his image, as they see - rishi sunak and say it is very much in his image, as they see it, - rishi sunak and say it is very much in his image, as they see it, it- rishi sunak and say it is very much in his image, as they see it, it is. in his image, as they see it, it is pragmatic and _ in his image, as they see it, it is pragmatic and thought - in his image, as they see it, it is pragmatic and thought through, | pragmatic and thought through, deliverable, _ pragmatic and thought through, deliverable, and _ pragmatic and thought through, deliverable, and then _ pragmatic and thought through, deliverable, and then you - pragmatic and thought through, i deliverable, and then you speak privately— deliverable, and then you speak privately to _ deliverable, and then you speak privately to some _ deliverable, and then you speak privately to some other - privately to some other conservatives _ privately to some other conservatives who - privately to some other conservatives who are i privately to some other - conservatives who are pretty critical — conservatives who are pretty critical of _ conservatives who are pretty critical of it _ conservatives who are pretty critical of it rishi _ conservatives who are pretty critical of it rishi sunak, - conservatives who are pretty critical of it rishi sunak, andi conservatives who are pretty - critical of it rishi sunak, and they said it _ critical of it rishi sunak, and they said it had — critical of it rishi sunak, and they said it had to— critical of it rishi sunak, and they said it had to be _ critical of it rishi sunak, and they said it had to be bolder, - critical of it rishi sunak, and they said it had to be bolder, it - critical of it rishi sunak, and they said it had to be bolder, it had i said it had to be bolder, it had to be more — said it had to be bolder, it had to be more game _ said it had to be bolder, it had to be more game changing - said it had to be bolder, it had to be more game changing because| said it had to be bolder, it had to- be more game changing because that is what _ be more game changing because that is what is _ be more game changing because that is what is needed _ be more game changing because that is what is needed for— be more game changing because that is what is needed for the _ is what is needed for the conservatives— is what is needed for the conservatives at- is what is needed for the conservatives at this - is what is needed for the i conservatives at this stage, is what is needed for the - conservatives at this stage, even if that would — conservatives at this stage, even if that would actually— conservatives at this stage, even if that would actually make - conservatives at this stage, even if that would actually make any - that would actually make any difference _ that would actually make any difference. for— that would actually make any difference. for me, - that would actually make any difference. for me, it - that would actually make any difference. for me, it was i that would actually make any. difference. for me, it was that since _ difference. for me, it was that since that— difference. for me, it was that since that yes, _ difference. for me, it was that since that yes, it _ difference. for me, it was that since that yes, it felt - difference. for me, it was that since that yes, it felt very - difference. for me, it was thati since that yes, it felt very much difference. for me, it was that - since that yes, it felt very much in his image, — since that yes, it felt very much in his image, i— since that yes, it felt very much in his image, i know— since that yes, it felt very much in his image, i know it's _ since that yes, it felt very much in his image, i know it's not - his image, i know it's not particularly _ his image, i know it's not particularly original- his image, i know it's not particularly original to - his image, i know it's not. particularly original to say, his image, i know it's not - particularly original to say, or forces — particularly original to say, or forces in _ particularly original to say, or forces in his— particularly original to say, or forces in his image, - particularly original to say, or

forces in his image, he's - particularly original to say, or forces in his image, he's thei particularly original to say, or- forces in his image, he's the party leader. _ forces in his image, he's the party leader. but— forces in his image, he's the party leader. but you _ forces in his image, he's the party leader, but you can _ forces in his image, he's the party leader, but you can see that - forces in his image, he's the party leader, but you can see that quite| leader, but you can see that quite strikingly— leader, but you can see that quite strikingly on — leader, but you can see that quite strikingly on tax _ leader, but you can see that quite strikingly on tax and _ leader, but you can see that quite strikingly on tax and on _ leader, but you can see that quite strikingly on tax and on the - leader, but you can see that quite strikingly on tax and on the whole region— strikingly on tax and on the whole region issue — strikingly on tax and on the whole region issue in _ strikingly on tax and on the whole region issue in question— strikingly on tax and on the whole region issue in question of- strikingly on tax and on the whole region issue in question of small. region issue in question of small tmats— region issue in question of small boats and — region issue in question of small boats and illegal— region issue in question of small boats and illegal immigration . region issue in question of smalll boats and illegal immigration and asylum—seekers— boats and illegal immigration and asylum—seekers and _ boats and illegal immigration and asylum—seekers and what - boats and illegal immigration and asylum—seekers and what have i boats and illegal immigration and . asylum—seekers and what have you. tatking _ asylum—seekers and what have you. tatking of— asylum—seekers and what have you. tatking of image _ asylum—seekers and what have you. talking of image in _ asylum—seekers and what have you. talking of image in the _ asylum—seekers and what have you. talking of image in the manifesto, i talking of image in the manifesto, there no pictures of rishi sunak on at the last 2019 manifesto which i'd like 27 pictures of borisjohnson, nick, you have a copy in front of you, that the zooming on what chris was talking about, the personal tax measures. two, one which we knew in advance, this pledge to continue cutting the rate of employee national insurance, so over the next two years of conservative government, that will good on a two percentage points, repeating what they did over the last year, but also the surprise and the rabbit out of the hat, i bludgeoned national insurance contributions entirely for people who are self—employed, so if you're like a plumber or a cabbie or a tv presenter working for multiple different talents.— different talents. you're right, we do not know _ different talents. you're right, we do not know it _ different talents. you're right, we do not know it was _ different talents. you're right, we do not know it was coming, - different talents. you're right, we

do not know it was coming, and i different talents. you're right, we| do not know it was coming, and to the opposite of what philip hom once stated, he wants to increase national insurance on the self—employed, they did in the budget and had to do a quick reverse because it went out like a lead balloon. �* . ., . . . balloon. after he announce it, laura was on tv and _ balloon. after he announce it, laura was on tv and said _ balloon. after he announce it, laura was on tv and said you _ balloon. after he announce it, laura was on tv and said you know - balloon. after he announce it, laura was on tv and said you know it - was on tv and said you know it breaches the conservative manifesto, and that's when he first realised he could not do it. fline and that's when he first realised he could not do it.— and that's when he first realised he could not do it. one wrinkle on that is the abolition _ could not do it. one wrinkle on that is the abolition of _ could not do it. one wrinkle on that is the abolition of national - is the abolition of national insurance for the self—employed, i think does not apply to buttocks of a £50,000, but it would essentially apply, the manifesto says, to 93% of self—employed people. those are in essence the two big things. and by removing or taking another to fence off the employee national insurance rate, what that would allow the tories to see if they win the election, is that taking as the third of three cuts, that would mean that you will be having that rates, and that takes them along their ambition, ultimately, it took to get

completely rid of national insurance, because they say that is a tax on work. jeremy hunt sort of announce that in the last fiscal events, and we sort of said as he really said he wants to get rid of national insurance, because as faisal it will be up to tell us, three big checks tax revenue measures are income tax, vat and national insurance, and since the labour party says it would create a four to £6 billion nycole that would threaten the state pension to which the conservatives say, this is an aspiration, we would like to do it, but only when it is sensible. $1150 but only when it is sensible. also the abolition _ but only when it is sensible. also the abolition of _ but only when it is sensible. also the abolition of the _ but only when it is sensible. also the abolition of the self—employed rate would taper down over the whole of the next parliament and would only have gone by april 2029, so that's an instance thing. that brings us of the numbers, faisal, a tax cut with public finances, is a government losing money it was expecting to get in future years and if the makeup that black holes somehow, either by spending less or something else or borrowing or

raising another tax? the something else or borrowing or raising another tax?— something else or borrowing or raising another tax? the size of this manifesto _ raising another tax? the size of this manifesto in _ raising another tax? the size of this manifesto in term - raising another tax? the size of this manifesto in term of - raising another tax? the size of this manifesto in term of the i raising another tax? the size of| this manifesto in term of the tax and spending measures is like a medium—sized budget, which were trigger— medium—sized budget, which were bigger before, 24 million on tax evil bigger before, 24 million on tax evit ways — bigger before, 24 million on tax evil ways and so on, and what you have _ evil ways and so on, and what you have is _ evil ways and so on, and what you have is some _ evil ways and so on, and what you have is some certain text anyways, £10 hittion — have is some certain text anyways, £10 billion a — have is some certain text anyways, £10 billion a year by the end of the parliament — £10 billion a year by the end of the parliament on employee national insurance. — parliament on employee national insurance, and about 2.5 billion on pensions _ insurance, and about 2.5 billion on pensions and self—employed and it adds up— pensions and self—employed and it adds up to — pensions and self—employed and it adds up to 17 billion. and then on the other— adds up to 17 billion. and then on the other side of the ledger, to find that, — the other side of the ledger, to find that, because they are keen to show— find that, because they are keen to show their— find that, because they are keen to show their abacus, the conservatives, unlike liz truss, of course _ conservatives, unlike liz truss, of course we — conservatives, unlike liz truss, of course we do _ conservatives, unlike liz truss, of course we do not have an abacus guy, it is quite _ course we do not have an abacus guy, it is quite striking. two line itenrs, _ it is quite striking. two line items, whether savings was bidding, crackdown _ items, whether savings was bidding, crackdown on tax gap 6 million, and of numbers— crackdown on tax gap 6 million, and of numbers and eat side of that

tedger— of numbers and eat side of that tedger is — of numbers and eat side of that ledger is slightly different. 0n the one hand. — ledger is slightly different. 0n the one hand, you have very certain text giveaways _ one hand, you have very certain text giveaways for which i could name for voters _ giveaways for which i could name for voters whether they are going to lose our— voters whether they are going to lose our wind from that. on the other— lose our wind from that. on the other side, _ lose our wind from that. on the other side, we are not saying that you could — other side, we are not saying that you could not get 12 billion in welfare — you could not get 12 billion in welfare savings, they sent out a sort of _ welfare savings, they sent out a sort of strategy, perhaps a narrative _ sort of strategy, perhaps a narrative for doing that, but they don't _ narrative for doing that, but they don't sit — narrative for doing that, but they don't sit on — narrative for doing that, but they don't sit on the dude not set out the exact— don't sit on the dude not set out the exact policies. this is growing for working — the exact policies. this is growing for working age benefits, going from four to _ for working age benefits, going from four to six _ for working age benefits, going from four to six and i've been up to 79 billion, _ four to six and i've been up to 79 billion, we — four to six and i've been up to 79 billion, we wanted to go, so who would _ billion, we wanted to go, so who would lose — billion, we wanted to go, so who would lose out? it is not impossible but it _ would lose out? it is not impossible but it is _ would lose out? it is not impossible but it is somewhat less certain, so in generat— but it is somewhat less certain, so in generalterms, but it is somewhat less certain, so in general terms, what is happening here is— in general terms, what is happening here is the _ in general terms, what is happening here is the conservatives are trying to get— here is the conservatives are trying to get voters to trust that the tory brand _ to get voters to trust that the tory brand with — to get voters to trust that the tory brand with shrink the state, with shrink— brand with shrink the state, with shrink welfare and create space for those _ shrink welfare and create space for those tax _ shrink welfare and create space for those tax cuts. and shrink welfare and create space for those tax cuts.— those tax cuts. and nycole rishi sunak but at _

those tax cuts. and nycole rishi sunak but at the _ those tax cuts. and nycole rishi sunak but at the racetrack. - those tax cuts. and nycole rishi sunak but at the racetrack. we i those tax cuts. and nycole rishi i sunak but at the racetrack. we are cuttin: sunak but at the racetrack. we are cutting tax — sunak but at the racetrack. we are cutting tax for _ sunak but at the racetrack. we are cutting tax for workers _ sunak but at the racetrack. we are cutting tax for workers and - sunak but at the racetrack. we are | cutting tax for workers and parents and pensions, _ cutting tax for workers and parents and pensions, we _ cutting tax for workers and parents and pensions, we are _ cutting tax for workers and parents and pensions, we are that - cutting tax for workers and parents and pensions, we are that part- cutting tax for workers and parents and pensions, we are that part of. and pensions, we are that part of margaret— and pensions, we are that part of margaret thatcher _ and pensions, we are that part of margaret thatcher and _ and pensions, we are that part of margaret thatcher and others, i and pensions, we are that part of. margaret thatcher and others, the president— margaret thatcher and others, the president believes _ margaret thatcher and others, the president believes in _ margaret thatcher and others, the president believes in sound - margaret thatcher and others, the i president believes in sound money. today's— president believes in sound money. todav's sound — president believes in sound money. today's sound plans _ president believes in sound money. today's sound plans and _ president believes in sound money. today's sound plans and you - president believes in sound money. today's sound plans and you would | today's sound plans and you would expect _ today's sound plans and you would expect nothing _ today's sound plans and you would expect nothing less _ today's sound plans and you would expect nothing less from _ today's sound plans and you would expect nothing less from jeremy. today's sound plans and you would i expect nothing less from jeremy and me are _ expect nothing less from jeremy and me are fully— expect nothing less from jeremy and me are fully funded. _ expect nothing less from jeremy and me are fully funded. we _ expect nothing less from jeremy and me are fully funded. we will- expect nothing less from jeremy and me are fully funded. we will pay - expect nothing less from jeremy and me are fully funded. we will pay for| me are fully funded. we will pay for permanent— me are fully funded. we will pay for permanent reductions _ me are fully funded. we will pay for permanent reductions and - me are fully funded. we will pay for permanent reductions and taxationl permanent reductions and taxation by controlling _ permanent reductions and taxation by controlling the — permanent reductions and taxation by controlling the unsustainable - permanent reductions and taxation by controlling the unsustainable rise - controlling the unsustainable rise in working — controlling the unsustainable rise in working each _ controlling the unsustainable rise in working each welfare _ controlling the unsustainable rise in working each welfare that - controlling the unsustainable rise in working each welfare that is i in working each welfare that is taken — in working each welfare that is taken off— in working each welfare that is taken off since _ in working each welfare that is taken off since the _ in working each welfare that is taken off since the pandemic. i in working each welfare that is i taken off since the pandemic. find taken off since the pandemic. and chris, taken off since the pandemic. and chris. rachel _ taken off since the pandemic. chris, rachel reeves as shadow chancellor did a press conference this afternoon where she zoomed in on some of these measures that the government said they could see from the web for, but there is no a bit of a battle as faisal laid out there, whether those savings are real, and whether they can be used to fund the tax cuts promise today. 0h, chris is gone, never mind, he obviously has a better offer, what about you, nick?—

obviously has a better offer, what about you, nick? yes, that's right, it's interesting, _ about you, nick? yes, that's right, it's interesting, in _ about you, nick? yes, that's right, it's interesting, in a _ about you, nick? yes, that's right, it's interesting, in a sense, - about you, nick? yes, that's right, it's interesting, in a sense, rachel| it's interesting, in a sense, rachel reeves is a sort of handing the battle back to the conservatives, and essentially she is saying that you are making out that we are fiscally irresponsible, and we are going to be blamed, you are claiming, fora going to be blamed, you are claiming, for a £2000 tax rise, well if we are talking about fiscal irresponsibility, how about you? your sums don't add up. one of the things rachel reeves noticed, she is claiming one of the main ideas for rishi sunak is that so—called national service and 10% of the people who do that with the military, and she says they have not identified the actual spending of equipment which would massively increase that, so rachel reeves is essentially saying that you want to have a battle on fiscal irresponsibility, i am very happy to meet you on that? it is interesting that rishi sunak was saying that, saying look, we have these tax cuts, and we have been fully costed, and picking up on what faisal was

saying, as he was saying, one of the ideasis saying, as he was saying, one of the ideas is 12 billion in welfare savings emma but they have not fully identified how they're going to do it. what they're saying is if you got welfare spending back to where it was before the pandemic, and obviously welfare spending went up after the pandemic, if you did that, that will cost you £34 billion less a year, and then what they're saying is it is perfectly reasonable to assume that you could cut it by 12 billion. that is not some, here's a progress, your one or you're too early or three, it is less rigidly if we that's about it pre—brenda meat, it will be £34 billion less, so �*twas been in and out of that is a pretty good assumption. and a pretty good assumption. and faisal, a pretty good assumption. and faisal. one _ a pretty good assumption. and faisal, one of— a pretty good assumption. and faisal, one of rachel _ a pretty good assumption. and faisal, one of rachel reeves's other claims is this cutting out on tax avoidance, nuts of the parties are claiming on spending under things, she sent you need to spend 900 million to get you back, so you're only getting 5.1 billion.—

only getting 5.1 billion. yes, you need to invest _ only getting 5.1 billion. yes, you need to invest in _ only getting 5.1 billion. yes, you need to invest in more - only getting 5.1 billion. yes, you need to invest in more other- need to invest in more other avenues~ _ need to invest in more other avenues. it is the case that there was similar— avenues. it is the case that there was similar scepticism in 2015 about the same _ was similar scepticism in 2015 about the same number, and it might be some _ the same number, and it might be some of— the same number, and it might be some of this invoices behind that 2015 promise from the conservatives ahead _ 2015 promise from the conservatives ahead of— 2015 promise from the conservatives ahead of that when the one the majority. — ahead of that when the one the majority, there were similar scepticism about the 12 billion whether— scepticism about the 12 billion whether savings, and after a few years. _ whether savings, and after a few years, they delivered on those 12 billion _ years, they delivered on those 12 billion so — years, they delivered on those 12 billion. , , ., billion. so it is possible to save that much _ billion. so it is possible to save that much from _ billion. so it is possible to save that much from the _ billion. so it is possible to save that much from the welfare? it| billion. so it is possible to save l that much from the welfare? it is possible. it was then.— that much from the welfare? it is possible. it was then. what is our “ob, possible. it was then. what is our job. everyone's — possible. it was then. what is our job, everyone's claims _ possible. it was then. what is our job, everyone's claims they i possible. it was then. what is our job, everyone's claims they can . possible. it was then. what is our| job, everyone's claims they can do stuff, _ job, everyone's claims they can do stuff, rachel reeves says no they can do _ stuff, rachel reeves says no they can do the — stuff, rachel reeves says no they can do the number, the conservative say they— can do the number, the conservative say they can — can do the number, the conservative say they can get 12 billion. when we can tell— say they can get 12 billion. when we can tell our— say they can get 12 billion. when we can tell our viewers, listeners, you are going _ can tell our viewers, listeners, you are going to— can tell our viewers, listeners, you are going to be affected by that cut to welfare, right? then it is more certain— to welfare, right? then it is more certain and — to welfare, right? then it is more certain and more real and there is a choice _ certain and more real and there is a choice i_ certain and more real and there is a choice ican— certain and more real and there is a choice. i can tell of your benefit

from _ choice. i can tell of your benefit from this— choice. i can tell of your benefit from this employee benefit next to it or this— from this employee benefit next to it or this trip a lot plus, you get a certain— it or this trip a lot plus, you get a certain amount of credit for that and electorally, it creates some capital, — and electorally, it creates some capital, but on the other side it is general, — capital, but on the other side it is general, we — capital, but on the other side it is general, we cannot answer by the people _ general, we cannot answer by the people who lose out. you cannot balance — people who lose out. you cannot balance it — people who lose out. you cannot balance it out. it's not saying they cannot _ balance it out. it's not saying they cannot do — balance it out. it's not saying they cannot do it, of course it is possible. _ cannot do it, of course it is possible, but either there are assuming that there isn't a permanent change to how the work publishing — permanent change to how the work publishing has heaved place pandemic, and at the other two people — pandemic, and at the other two people would say there is a permanent change. is it something government should a committed or is it something they shouldn't lean back on? — it something they shouldn't lean back on? what they are saying might be conservative economics team is that the _ be conservative economics team is that the labour party is just saying they simply accept the welfare bill io they simply accept the welfare bill go up _ they simply accept the welfare bill go up and up and open up, and we will go— go up and up and open up, and we will go beyond control, and this is where _ will go beyond control, and this is where credibility comes in, credibility about being a tax cutter and that _ credibility about being a tax cutter and that we should just trust them for years— and that we should just trust them for years go by, and that is not the case _ for years go by, and that is not the case of— for years go by, and that is not the case of the — for years go by, and that is not the case of the past five years, so

guite — case of the past five years, so quite clearly tax raises of the past five years. — quite clearly tax raises of the past five years, but can you trust. yesterday. _ five years, but can you trust. yesterday, we had from the premise when he was sent to nick robinson, if your middle under your venus tax. of the effective tax rate, that is, yes. _ of the effective tax rate, that is, yes. that — of the effective tax rate, that is, yes. that is — of the effective tax rate, that is, yes, that is the personality effective tax rate, but then economics about whether the overall tax burden— economics about whether the overall tax burden mahood is it eventually end up _ tax burden mahood is it eventually end up on? — tax burden mahood is it eventually end up on? corporate tech was —— protect— end up on? corporate tech was —— protect raises in all of that stuff. that is _ protect raises in all of that stuff. that is why — protect raises in all of that stuff. that is why rishi sunak was saying the effect of their measures will be the effect of their measures will be the overall tax burden with 1% less than projected in the march physical event, but it is still higher than it was. . event, but it is still higher than it was. , ,, ., i. event, but it is still higher than itwas. . ~ ., . ., event, but it is still higher than itwas. , ,, ., . ., ., it was. chris, i know you have to go soon, it was. chris, i know you have to go soon. but — it was. chris, i know you have to go soon. but we _ it was. chris, i know you have to go soon, but we have _ it was. chris, i know you have to go soon, but we have your _ it was. chris, i know you have to go soon, but we have your back- it was. chris, i know you have to go soon, but we have your back for. it was. chris, i know you have to go soon, but we have your back for a l soon, but we have your back for a few minutes, let's move on to other things. i noticed the sort of first and second things that rishi sunak talks about in his speech was actually defence spending and cutting down on illegal and legal migration, those are the things he

wants to highlight.— migration, those are the things he wants to highlight. yes, hello, nice to be back. — wants to highlight. yes, hello, nice to be back. i _ wants to highlight. yes, hello, nice to be back, i will— wants to highlight. yes, hello, nice to be back, i will chryston - wants to highlight. yes, hello, nice to be back, i will chryston that i to be back, i will chryston that spot _ to be back, i will chryston that spot that — to be back, i will chryston that spot that we _ to be back, i will chryston that spot that we had _ to be back, i will chryston that spot that we had to _ to be back, i will chryston that spot that we had to drive - to be back, i will chryston that spot that we had to drive 40 i to be back, i will chryston that spot that we had to drive 40 a| to be back, i will chryston that i spot that we had to drive 40 a black oil, spot that we had to drive 40 a black oil. we _ spot that we had to drive 40 a black oil. we spotted _ spot that we had to drive 40 a black oil. we spotted a _ spot that we had to drive 40 a black oil, we spotted a little _ spot that we had to drive 40 a black oil, we spotted a little kink, - oil, we spotted a little kink, a twist— oil, we spotted a little kink, a twist on— oil, we spotted a little kink, a twist on the _ oil, we spotted a little kink, a twist on the whole _ oil, we spotted a little kink, a twist on the whole defence i oil, we spotted a little kink, a - twist on the whole defence spending thing. _ twist on the whole defence spending thing. i_ twist on the whole defence spending thing. i may— twist on the whole defence spending thing. imay have _ twist on the whole defence spending thing, i may have the, _ twist on the whole defence spending thing, i may have the, let— twist on the whole defence spending thing, i may have the, let me - twist on the whole defence spending thing, i may have the, let me try- thing, i may have the, let me try and get — thing, i may have the, let me try and get this— thing, i may have the, let me try and get this under— thing, i may have the, let me try and get this under my— thing, i may have the, let me try and get this under my collectioni and get this under my collection of cable _ and get this under my collection of cable under— and get this under my collection of cable under our— and get this under my collection of cable under our passenger- and get this under my collection of cable under our passenger seat i cable under our passenger seat of the election— cable under our passenger seat of the election battle _ cable under our passenger seat of the election battle event. - cable under our passenger seat of the election battle event. he- cable under our passenger seat of the election battle event. he is. the election battle event. he is back in the _ the election battle event. he is back in the black _ the election battle event. he is back in the black hole. - the election battle event. he is back in the black hole. your i the election battle event- back in the black hole. your back. i'm back, this is a joy, isn't it? yes. _ i'm back, this is a joy, isn't it? yes. defence _ i'm back, this is a joy, isn't it? yes, defence spending... i i'm back, this is a joy, isn't it? yes, defence spending... till, i i'm back, this is ajoy, isn't it? yes, defence spending... all, he's one, yes, defence spending... all, he's gone. we — yes, defence spending... all, he's gone, we should _ yes, defence spending... all, he's gone, we should spend _ yes, defence spending... all, he's gone, we should spend more i yes, defence spending... all, he's l gone, we should spend more money yes, defence spending... all, he's - gone, we should spend more money on to chris, we should spend money on one of those big microphones. then you can see all the candidates in their constituency on the bbc news website. i think he was quick to

make the point that james landed spotted in the manifesto the two different versions of the pledge to spend 2.5% gdp on defence, and one is in 2030 and one is by 30 to —— 2030. is in 2030 and one is by 30 to -- 2030. , �* , is in 2030 and one is by 30 to -- 2030. , �*, ., ., ., is in 2030 and one is by 30 to -- 2030., , 2030. greg it's about to a customs union. 2030. greg it's about to a customs union- you're _ 2030. greg it's about to a customs union. you're going _ 2030. greg it's about to a customs union. you're going to _ 2030. greg it's about to a customs union. you're going to make - 2030. greg it's about to a customs union. you're going to make a - union. you're going to make a different point. _ union. you're going to make a different point. i _ union. you're going to make a different point. i was - union. you're going to make a different point. i was going i union. you're going to make a different point. i was going to | union. you're going to make a - different point. i was going to make a different point, _ different point. i was going to make a different point, it _ different point. i was going to make a different point, it passed - different point. i was going to make a different point, it passed me - different point. i was going to make a different point, it passed me by l a different point, it passed me by the time, — a different point, it passed me by the time, when they made that claim, it will_ the time, when they made that claim, it will cost_ the time, when they made that claim, it will cost 60 —— 6 billion a year, which is — it will cost 60 —— 6 billion a year, which is hefty,. it it will cost 60 -- 6 billion a year, which is hefty"— which is hefty,. it is a target all nato members _ which is hefty,. it is a target all nato members are _ which is hefty,. it is a target all nato members are supposed i which is hefty,. it is a target alli nato members are supposed to which is hefty,. it is a target all- nato members are supposed to spend on defence. for nato members are supposed to spend on defence. ., , ., ., on defence. for billing of that comes from — on defence. for billing of that comes from tens _ on defence. for billing of that comes from tens of _ on defence. for billing of that comes from tens of thousand | on defence. for billing of that - comes from tens of thousand fewer civil servants, which is a big if. again, — civil servants, which is a big if. again, they're making this argument, and interesting one, which is the state _ and interesting one, which is the state grew— and interesting one, which is the state grew because of the pandemic i know we _ state grew because of the pandemic i know we should go back to what it was before — know we should go back to what it was before the pandemic, that is the argument. _ was before the pandemic, that is the argument, voters may buy into that, it doesrfl— argument, voters may buy into that, it doesn't fundamentally changed. the other— it doesn't fundamentally changed. the other thing was a switch of the research _ the other thing was a switch of the research and develop an spending of

2 billion, _ research and develop an spending of 2 billion, so— research and develop an spending of 2 billion, so this would have counted _ 2 billion, so this would have counted as the governments are in the target — counted as the governments are in the target and they would say that they were — the target and they would say that they were to spend that as part of they were to spend that as part of the defence. so they were to spend that as part of the defence-— the defence. so maybe that could have been spent _ the defence. so maybe that could have been spent on _ the defence. so maybe that could have been spent on al _ the defence. so maybe that could have been spent on al or- the defence. so maybe that could have been spent on al or a - the defence. so maybe that could i have been spent on al or a new class of antibiotics?— of antibiotics? yes, but there's a lot of defense-related _ of antibiotics? yes, but there's a lot of defense-related crossover| lot of defense—related crossover with industry, but to the extent that would say for health or flying cars or— that would say for health or flying cars or something like that, i guess for the _ cars or something like that, i guess for the manager as well —— for the military as — for the manager as well —— for the military as well, so they are just— military as well, so they are just moving _ military as well, so they are just moving over to the defence budget, — just moving over to the defence budget, but it suggests to me that they r80 — budget, but it suggests to me that they r&d budget would be less. there's— they r&d budget would be less. there's a — they r&d budget would be less. there's a lot of accounting and shuffling — there's a lot of accounting and shuffling around,.— shuffling around,. that is why interesting — shuffling around,. that is why interesting in _ shuffling around,. that is why interesting in your _ shuffling around,. that is why interesting in your opening i shuffling around,. that is why - interesting in your opening remarks of this episode, exercising a medium—size budget, which seems familiar to medium—size budget, which seems familiarto me, medium—size budget, which seems familiar to me, were going through the spreadsheet and making the numbers up, it feels very spreadsheet t. it numbers up, it feels very spreadsheet t.— numbers up, it feels very spreadsheet t. numbers up, it feels very sreadsheet t. ., , , " ,

spreadsheet t. it does, but the key thin here spreadsheet t. it does, but the key thing here is— spreadsheet t. it does, but the key thing here is credibility. _ spreadsheet t. it does, but the key thing here is credibility. do - spreadsheet t. it does, but the key thing here is credibility. do they . thing here is credibility. do they have _ thing here is credibility. do they have the — thing here is credibility. do they have the credibility to say to the public, — have the credibility to say to the public, we — have the credibility to say to the public, we are going to cut your taxes. — public, we are going to cut your taxes. and _ public, we are going to cut your taxes, and people are going to say, yes, there — taxes, and people are going to say, yes, there will great?— yes, there will great? nick, you're lookin: at yes, there will great? nick, you're looking at a _ yes, there will great? nick, you're looking at a cost _ yes, there will great? nick, you're looking at a cost ends. _ yes, there will great? nick, you're looking at a cost ends. here - yes, there will great? nick, you're looking at a cost ends. here is - yes, there will great? nick, you're looking at a cost ends. here is the manifesto- — looking at a cost ends. here is the manifesto. this _ looking at a cost ends. here is the manifesto. this is _ looking at a cost ends. here is the manifesto. this is the _ looking at a cost ends. here is the manifesto. this is the cost - looking at a cost ends. here is the manifesto. this is the cost and - manifesto. this is the cost and document, which if it was a budget, would be a thick red book, here's the cost since document,. not very long, and oh, the welfare reform and taking the tax, it doesn't seem absolute massive. this taking the tax, it doesn't seem absolute massive.— absolute massive. as a first unscented _ absolute massive. as a first unscented document, - absolute massive. as a first unscented document, or. absolute massive. as a first - unscented document, or staring across— unscented document, or staring across the — unscented document, or staring across the room, are there any pictures— across the room, are there any pictures with mark, you get pictures of the _ pictures with mark, you get pictures of the prime minister,.— of the prime minister,. faisal, i select, actually _ of the prime minister,. faisal, i select, actually there _ of the prime minister,. faisal, i select, actually there were - of the prime minister,. faisal, i select, actually there were no l select, actually there were no pictures. i select, actually there were no ictures. . , , , select, actually there were no ictures. ., , , , ., select, actually there were no ictures. ., ,, , ., , .,, pictures. i assume there be one stop that is actually _ pictures. i assume there be one stop that is actually extraordinary, - that is actually extraordinary, isn't — that is actually extraordinary, isn't it? — that is actually extraordinary, isn't it? what was the point of the silver— isn't it? what was the point of the silver something? what was the, what message _ silver something? what was the, what

message was he trying to send question— message was he trying to send question among he was informed that one is— question among he was informed that one is a _ question among he was informed that one is a brief british export, and seven— one is a brief british export, and seven of— one is a brief british export, and seven of the ten teams are best air, and he _ seven of the ten teams are best air, and he was — seven of the ten teams are best air, and he was in— seven of the ten teams are best air, and he was in the same place as brad pitt. and he was in the same place as brad pitt ls— and he was in the same place as brad pitt. , ., ~ ., .,, pitt. is talking about life in fast lane. m pitt. is talking about life in fast lane- my heart _ pitt. is talking about life in fast lane. my heart sank— pitt. is talking about life in fast lane. my heart sank when - pitt. is talking about life in fast lane. my heart sank when i - pitt. is talking about life in fastj lane. my heart sank when i saw pitt. is talking about life in fast - lane. my heart sank when i saw you reaching for — lane. my heart sank when i saw you reaching for the _ lane. my heart sank when i saw you reaching for the spreadsheet - lane. my heart sank when i saw you reaching for the spreadsheet of the | reaching for the spreadsheet of the numbers because i wanted you to talk about something else in this section of the podcast, which is the european commission on human rights. there is a small paragraph in here on this manifesto about what the government would do if the european court of human rights, which is a product of the european convention, stops the government doing what he wants to do to clamp down on indigo migration. i wants to do to clamp down on indigo miaration. ., ., .,' .,, ., migration. i want to off the top of migration. i want to off the top of m head, migration. i want to off the top of my head. and _ migration. i want to off the top of my head, and what _ migration. i want to off the top of my head, and what they - migration. i want to off the top of my head, and what they say - migration. i want to off the top of my head, and what they say is - migration. i want to off the top of l my head, and what they say is what rishi sunak says, what the manifesto says is, the absolute priority is to secure and protecting and upholding the uk borders. and if being a

member of the european court of human rights puts that atjeopardy, they output protection of our borders first in other holding out the possibility that where we too need to withdraw from the european court of human rights to protect our borders, we would do that. but it doesn't actually say that they would doesn't actually say that they would do that. there are a number of conservatives, so went up braverman, robertjenrick, people like that, and people in the cabinet, who say just go the whole way and make clear we are out, but rishi sunak is not going to do that. i asked james cleverly, the home secretary about this, and i made the point to him that you are not specifically seen how many of flights would be and when there would be, you are not put a note of the echr, why not question mark he said they are committed to the flights and we think that we can remain in the echr and protect our borders, but there is that sort of warning in the manifesto, that they have that in reserve.

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