you hear that from? where did you hear that from? he was off to the left. where the water towers, there a large building — the water towers, there a large building right there and he was there — building right there and he was there. and right as we were coming _ there. and right as we were coming up, there was a lot of military— coming up, there was a lot of military police officers. they were — military police officers. they were in _ military police officers. they were in camouflage. they were all in _ were in camouflage. they were all in that— were in camouflage. they were all in that building. 50 our understanding is that's where the shot_ understanding is that's where the shot came from. the snipers -ot the shot came from. the snipers got him. — the shot came from. the snipers got him, but again, unfortunately you know, there's different— unfortunately you know, there's different reports, there is at least — different reports, there is at least one _ different reports, there is at least one person suspected they could _ least one person suspected they could be — least one person suspected they could be deceased and possibly another— could be deceased and possibly another one. innocent civilians who _ another one. innocent civilians who were _ another one. innocent civilians who were just there supporting their— who were just there supporting their candidate and we got this, — their candidate and we got this, this kind of thing going on in — this, this kind of thing going on in our— this, this kind of thing going on in our country. we can't have this. _ on in our country. we can't have this-— on in our country. we can't have this. i have this. you must have... i fearfor--- — have this. you must have... i fear for. .. the _ have this. you must have... i fear for. .. the next _ have this. you must have... i| fear for. .. the next centuries, fear for... the next centuries, decades, _ fear for... the next centuries, decades, because our country as

we know— decades, because our country as we know it — decades, because our country as we know it is changing. i know different— we know it is changing. i know different countries do different countries do different things and i get that, _ different things and i get that, but it's... it's not the land — that, but it's... it's not the land of— that, but it's... it's not the land of the _ that, but it's... it's not the land of the free. i mean, we have — land of the free. i mean, we have a — land of the free. i mean, we have a lot _ land of the free. i mean, we have a lot more freedom than some — have a lot more freedom than some other people do come i get that, _ some other people do come i get that, again i've been to other countries _ that, again i've been to other countries. i know however the people live. but when you don't have _ people live. but when you don't have the — people live. but when you don't have the freedom to choose and the freedom to do the things that i— the freedom to do the things that t as _ the freedom to do the things that i as a military person fought— that i as a military person fought for, you are losing that, _ fought for, you are losing that, you may never get it back _ that, you may never get it back. and i get it that there's some — back. and i get it that there's some things that have to change from _ some things that have to change from i_ some things that have to change from i understand that and, but we~~~ _ from i understand that and, but we~~~ we — from i understand that and, but we... we can't have this. i don't — we... we can't have this. i don't know— we... we can't have this. i don't know how many people were here~~~ _ don't know how many people were here... lt— don't know how many people were here... . , don't know how many people were here... ., , | here... it was thousands. i went to — here... it was thousands. i went to a _ here... it was thousands. i went to a rally _ here... it was thousands. i went to a rally in _ here... it was thousands. i went to a rally in the - here... it was thousands. i went to a rally in the last l went to a rally in the last campaign cycle and this one was much _ campaign cycle and this one was much larger than that one. and the freedom — much larger than that one. and the freedom to _ much larger than that one. and the freedom to turn _ much larger than that one. fific the freedom to turn up and support your candidate without being shot at, right? and

support your candidate without being shot at, right? and don't aet me being shot at, right? and don't get me wrong. _ being shot at, right? and don't get me wrong, i'm _ being shot at, right? and don't get me wrong, i'm not - being shot at, right? and don't get me wrong, i'm not for - being shot at, right? and don't get me wrong, i'm not for gun| get me wrong, i'm not for gun control. — get me wrong, i'm not for gun control. you know, because and i control. you know, because and t know— control. you know, because and t know our— control. you know, because and i know our nation is not a free nation, — i know our nation is not a free nation, i— i know our nation is not a free nation, i will tell you that. 0ur— nation, i will tell you that. our nation is not a free nation _ our nation is not a free nation. but there are things that— nation. but there are things that maybe we need to do to control— that maybe we need to do to control some things, you know, to fix— control some things, you know, to fix this — control some things, you know, to fix this so we don't have things— to fix this so we don't have things like this happening. this— things like this happening. this is_ things like this happening. this is uncalled for, this is totally, _ this is uncalled for, this is totally, you know, again... god be with— totally, you know, again... god be with those families of the ones — be with those families of the ones it— be with those families of the ones it sounds like president trump — ones it sounds like president trump perhaps is ok. that's great — trump perhaps is ok. that's great. and i know the other individuals that were involved, thoughts — individuals that were involved, thoughts and prayers for their families— thoughts and prayers for their families and them, because they come _ families and them, because they come here — families and them, because they come here to support their candidate and i have a good time — candidate and i have a good time and _ candidate and i have a good time and you have something like this— time and you have something like this happen. now they suspect— like this happen. now they suspect there might be a bomb over— suspect there might be a bomb over here — suspect there might be a bomb over here is it going to end? 0ktin1._ over here is it going to end? 0k tim, listen, you stay safe. take your buddy home and look after yourself and thanks for talking to us on bbc news. we are sorry you are in there. i’m

are sorry you are in there. i'm sorry you _ are sorry you are in there. i'm sorry you guys _ are sorry you are in there. i'm sorry you guys are _ are sorry you are in there. i'm sorry you guys are involved too — sorry you guys are involved too. �* . sorry you guys are involved too. . ., ., ., ,, ., too. and thanks for talking to us on bbc — too. and thanks for talking to us on bbc news. _ too. and thanks for talking to us on bbc news. you - too. and thanks for talking to us on bbc news. you could i too. and thanks for talking to i us on bbc news. you could hear some heartfelt views there from tim about the country and what's happening and what this might mean for the future. and all that will play out in the next, in what was already a pretty hot clinical cycle. the republican _ pretty hot clinical cycle. the republican national- pretty hot clinical cycle. the republican national convention injust a few republican national convention in just a few days' time, thank you very much, stay where you are, stay with us if you can, i want to bring our viewers up—to—date with what we know at this moment. the former president donald trump was rushed off the stage by secret service after several shots rang out a campaign event in the state of pennsylvania. you can see the still image here, this is the former president, there is blood on his face. there are reports that he was injured on his right year. you can see the blood there. this was taken moments after we

witnessed shots being fired at that campaign event. there was speculation that those shots could have come from outside the event, we don't know who the event, we don't know who the shooter was or what the motivations were, or where those shots came from. what we do know right now as you see the moment that donald trump was laid off stage by secret service, that reportedly from his campaign, this is a message coming in from the trunk and paid, president trump thanks law enforcement and first responders. he's fine, he's being checked out of the local medical facility. being checked out of the local medicalfacility. that's being checked out of the local medical facility. that's the latest we got from his campaign, he was driven away from the scene. presidentjoe biden has been briefed on the situation and you can see there in that video the former president raising his fist as he was put into that vehicle and then driven away. very heavy security team, a high security levels there at that eventin security levels there at that event in pennsylvania. this of course again taking place

amongst the final months of the campaign, justa amongst the final months of the campaign, just a few days before the president was expected to be in wisconsin. for the republican national convention. i'mjoined now for the republican national convention. i'm joined now in studio by helena humphrey. and i understand you have more reaction to what you seem taken place. {iii reaction to what you seem taken lace. . ., , reaction to what you seem taken lace, . ., , ., reaction to what you seem taken lace. _, , ., ., reaction to what you seem taken lace. , ., ., ., place. of course, a great deal of reaction — place. of course, a great deal of reaction continuing - place. of course, a great deal of reaction continuing to - place. of course, a great deal| of reaction continuing to come in. just to bring you up—to—date as you were mentioning there in regards to the white house situation, president biden came out of church or earlier and he then said to quarters, whatever happened at the trump rally, i haven't yet been briefed, since then we have had communication come out white house saying that an initial brief had taken place and those briefings now are continuing. but the reaction, i can imagine from lawmakers, right of the aisle, i want to run you through some of it. mikejohnson took to

social media saying that... donald trump and joined the chorus of lawmakers that no singles lawmakers expressing their support for the former president. marco rubio and governor doug bergen of north dakota as well. three of those republicans contending to be donald trump's running mate. they all expressed prayers for the former president as well as his rally attendees as well. you have to say on social media. i was mentioning that reaction coming in from across the aisle, some comments here from dean phillips. the democratic house members who challenged president biden in a permanent —— primary. no matter your politics, please pray for donald trump. gretchen wittner, democratic governor in michigan, she has also, she had been the target of a kidnapping plot herself, she has been a critic of donald trump and she writes condemning the violence saying what many people have been saying, there isjust saying what many people have been saying, there is just no

place for political violence in this country, period. this is not, she said, how we solve our differences. just coming through more of the reaction that i'm taking a look at now. democrat of pennsylvania, he has been briefed on the situation, state police are on the same, they are working with federal partners as we had imagined, and reiterating that message violence targeted at any political party or political leader is absolutely unacceptable. it has no place in pennsylvania or in the united states.

the police didn't know what was going on. we can see it from here. we see him. he is calling. next thing you know, i'm thinking to myself, why is trump still speaking? i am standing there pointing at him for two or three minutes, secret service is looking at us from the top of the barn, i'm pointing at the roof like this... next thing you know, five shots rang out. you are certain the — know, five shots rang out. you are certain the shot _ know, five shots rang out. you are certain the shot came _ know, five shots rang out. you are certain the shot came from - know, five shots rang out. you are certain the shot came from the - know, five shots rang out. you are| certain the shot came from the guy on the roof?— certain the shot came from the guy on the roof?- he _ certain the shot came from the guy on the roof?- he was - certain the shot came from the guy on the roof?- he was up - certain the shot came from the guy on the roof? �*ififi�*ifié. he was up there on the roof? 100%. he was up there for a on the roof? 10096. he was up there for a couple — on the roof? 10096. he was up there for a couple of _ on the roof? 10096. he was up there for a couple of minutes? _ on the roof? iiiiiiiiié he was up there for a couple of minutes? absolutely. and you were telling the police and the secret service?— the secret service? yes, they were lookin: at the secret service? yes, they were looking at us _ the secret service? yes, they were looking at us from _ the secret service? yes, they were looking at us from the _ the secret service? yes, they were looking at us from the top - the secret service? yes, they were looking at us from the top of- the secret service? yes, they were looking at us from the top of the i looking at us from the top of the barn, they were looking at us for

the whole time. did barn, they were looking at us for the whole time.— barn, they were looking at us for the whole time. did they see him? probably not. _ the whole time. did they see him? probably not, because _ the whole time. did they see him? probably not, because the - the whole time. did they see him? probably not, because the slope i the whole time. did they see him? probably not, because the slope of the roof was behind where they could see. why is there not secret service on all of these places? this is not a big place. on all of these places? this is not a big place-— a big place. when the shooting started, everyone _ a big place. when the shooting started, everyone was - a big place. when the shooting started, everyone was very - a big place. when the shooting - started, everyone was very panicked. did you see what happened to him? yeah, secret service blew his head off. ibe yeah, secret service blew his head off. �* .., yeah, secret service blew his head off. �* ., �* ,, ., ., off. be careful, we don't know who is watching. _ off. be careful, we don't know who is watching, but _ off. be careful, we don't know who is watching, but you _ off. be careful, we don't know who is watching, but you are _ off. be careful, we don't know who is watching, but you are pretty - off. be careful, we don't know who| is watching, but you are pretty sure they shot the guy?— is watching, but you are pretty sure they shot the guy? absolutely, 10096. did ou see they shot the guy? absolutely, 10096. did you see them _ they shot the guy? absolutely, 10096. did you see them go _ they shot the guy? absolutely, 10096. did you see them go up _ they shot the guy? absolutely, 10096. did you see them go up to _ they shot the guy? absolutely, 10096. did you see them go up to him - did you see them go up to him afterwards?— did you see them go up to him afterwards? ., , , ., afterwards? yeah, they went up on the roof, they made _ afterwards? yeah, they went up on the roof, they made sure _ afterwards? yeah, they went up on the roof, they made sure he - afterwards? yeah, they went up on the roof, they made sure he was i afterwards? yeah, they went up on i the roof, they made sure he was dead and that was it, it was over. incredibly shocking. he and that was it, it was over. incredibly shocking.- and that was it, it was over. incredibly shocking. he was on the white roof. — incredibly shocking. he was on the white roof, there. _ incredibly shocking. he was on the white roof, there. did _ incredibly shocking. he was on the white roof, there. did you - incredibly shocking. he was on the white roof, there. did you get - incredibly shocking. he was on the white roof, there. did you get a i white roof, there. did you get a look at him? — white roof, there. did you get a look at him? no, _ white roof, there. did you get a look at him? no, he _ white roof, there. did you get a look at him? no, he was - white roof, there. did you get a look at him? no, he was in i white roof, there. did you get a i look at him? no, he was in muted colours, look at him? no, he was in muted colours. we _ look at him? no, he was in muted colours, we saw _ look at him? no, he was in muted colours, we saw the _ look at him? no, he was in muted colours, we saw the rifle - look at him? no, he was in muted colours, we saw the rifle as i look at him? no, he was in muted colours, we saw the rifle as he i look at him? no, he was in muted| colours, we saw the rifle as he was trying to crawl 100%. do

colours, we saw the rifle as he was trying to crawl 10096.— trying to crawl 10096. do you know what kind of weapon _ trying to crawl 10096. do you know what kind of weapon it _ trying to crawl 10096. do you know what kind of weapon it was? i what kind of weapon it was? absolutely i know about guns, it was a rifle of some sorts. i wasn't close enough to read their. it was a rifle or some sort, yeah, absolutely.— rifle or some sort, yeah, absolutel . ., ., , ,, ., absolutely. how do you process what ou have absolutely. how do you process what you have just — absolutely. how do you process what you have just seen? _ absolutely. how do you process what you havejust seen? i— absolutely. how do you process what you have just seen? i don't _ absolutely. how do you process what you have just seen? i don't know i you have “ust seen? i don't know what to you have just seen? i don't know what to say. _ you have just seen? i don't know what to say, man. _ you have just seen? i don't know what to say, man. all _ you have just seen? i don't know what to say, man. all i will i you have just seen? i don't know what to say, man. all i will tell. we see him, he's crawling. and the next — we see him, he's crawling. and the next thing you know, i'm like — the next thing you know, i'm like um — the next thing you know, i'm like um i'm thinking to myself, why is— like um i'm thinking to myself, why is trump still speaking, what — why is trump still speaking, what have they not pulled him off the — what have they not pulled him off the stage? i'm standing there — off the stage? i'm standing there pointing at him for coming _ there pointing at him for coming in or, two or three minutes, _ coming in or, two or three minutes, secret service is looking _ minutes, secret service is looking at us from the top of the barn _ looking at us from the top of the barn. i'm putting at that root. — the barn. i'm putting at that root. just _ the barn. i'm putting at that roof, just standing there like those, — roof, just standing there like those, and next thing you know, five shots — those, and next thing you know, five shots ring out. you those, and next thing you know, five shots ring out.— five shots ring out. you think the shots _ five shots ring out. you think the shots came from - five shots ring out. you think| the shots came from that guy on the shots came from that guy on the roof? ' :: :: , the shots came from that guy on the roof?- he _ the shots came from that guy on the roof?- he was - the shots came from that guy on the roof?- he was up i the shots came from that guy on | the roof?- he was up there the roof? 10096. he was up there for a couple _ the roof? 10096. he was up there for a couple of — the roof? 10096. he was up there for a couple of minutes? - the roof? 10096. he was up there for a couple of minutes? and i for a couple of minutes? and you are telling police and secret service. we you are telling police and secret service.— secret service. we were pointing _ secret service. we were pointing at _ secret service. we were pointing at him - secret service. we were pointing at him for- secret service. we were pointing at him for the l secret service. we were i pointing at him for the secret service — pointing at him for the secret service who were looking at us from _ service who were looking at us from the — service who were looking at us from the top of the barn, they were — from the top of the barn, they were looking at us that whole time — were looking at us that whole time when we were standing by that tree — time when we were standing by that tree. ., , , that tree. could they see him? because of— that tree. could they see him? because of the _ that tree. could they see him? because of the way _ that tree. could they see him? because of the way the - that tree. could they see him? because of the way the slope l because of the way the slope went, — because of the way the slope went, he _ because of the way the slope went, he was behind where they could _ went, he was behind where they could see, — went, he was behind where they could see, but why isn't there secret— could see, but why isn't there secret service on all of these roofs — secret service on all of these roofs here? this is not a big

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absolutely. you saw that happen? the they crawled up _ you saw that happen? the they crawled up on _ you saw that happen? the they crawled up on the _ you saw that happen? the they crawled up on the roof, - you saw that happen? the they crawled up on the roof, they i crawled up on the roof, they pointed _ crawled up on the roof, they pointed his guns at him, make sure _ pointed his guns at him, make sure he — pointed his guns at him, make sure he was dead, it was it, and — sure he was dead, it was it, and that— sure he was dead, it was it, and that was it. he was right up and that was it. he was right up on — and that was it. he was right up on that— and that was it. he was right up on that roof, right there. you — up on that roof, right there. you get _ up on that roof, right there. you get a _ up on that roof, right there. you get a look at him? we saw the rifle swinging _ you get a look at him? we saw the rifle swinging around, i you get a look at him? we saw the rifle swinging around, it i the rifle swinging around, it was — the rifle swinging around, it was he _ the rifle swinging around, it was he was trying to crawl. gh was he was trying to crawl. oh i was he was trying to crawl. i absolutely was he was trying to crawl. oi i absolutely know about guns, it was a rifle of some sort, i wasn't close enough to read the label on it but it was a rifle of some sort.— label on it but it was a rifle of some sort. absolutely. i'll tell you. _ of some sort. absolutely. i'll tell you. if — of some sort. absolutely. i'll tell you, if there _ of some sort. absolutely. i'll tell you, if there was - of some sort. absolutely. i'll tell you, if there was a i tell you, if there was a problem i wouldn't be standing here _ problem i wouldn't be standing here talking to you right now. police — here talking to you right now. police and secret service is crawling _ police and secret service is crawling up the roof. yes, right— crawling up the roof. yes, right there by that tree. we were — right there by that tree. we were outside the security perimeter. but my question is, there's— perimeter. but my question is, there's only a few buildings around _ there's only a few buildings around here. why is secret service _ around here. why is secret service not on every building here? — service not on every building here? i— service not on every building here? ~ . service not on every building here? ~' ., ., ., here? i think there are a lot of questions _ here? i think there are a lot of questions that _ here? i think there are a lot of questions that are i here? i think there are a lot of questions that are going | here? i think there are a lot i of questions that are going to come. �* , ., ., of questions that are going to come. 2 ., ., , . ., come. there's a whole bunch of questions- _ come. there's a whole bunch of questions. she _ come. there's a whole bunch of questions. she was _ come. there's a whole bunch of questions. she was coming i come. there's a whole bunch of| questions. she was coming right in front— questions. she was coming right in front of— questions. she was coming right in front of me, we went back and — in front of me, we went back and forth— in front of me, we went back and forth right in front of me. i and forth right in front of me. i mean. — and forth right in front of me. i mean, nice horse, nice lady running — i mean, nice horse, nice lady running with the flag, seemed very— running with the flag, seemed very adriatic. but running with the flag, seemed very adriatic.— very adriatic. but what's the evidence _ very adriatic. but what's the evidence of _ very adriatic. but what's the evidence of that? _ very adriatic. but what's the evidence of that? no, i very adriatic. but what's the evidence of that? no, he i very adriatic. but what's the i evidence of that? no, he asked me if i evidence of that? no, he asked me if i saw _ evidence of that? no, he asked me if i saw a — evidence of that? no, he asked me if i saw a horse. _ evidence of that? no, he asked me if i saw a horse. i'm - evidence of that? no, he asked me if i saw a horse. i'm sorry i me ifi saw a horse. i'm sorry ou me ifi saw a horse. i'm sorry you had _ me ifi saw a horse. i'm sorry you had to — me ifi saw a horse. i'm sorry you had to witness _ me ifi saw a horse. i'm sorry you had to witness that, i me ifi saw a horse. i'm sorry you had to witness that, it's. me ifi saw a horse. i'm sorry| you had to witness that, it's a terrible thing and you just stay safe with your family. takeit stay safe with your family. take it easy, look after yourself. obviously we'll have to wait for the coming days to verify a lot of the details of

what happened, we don't know for certain. we've heard from some people who saw lots of things inside there. often these things can be very confused but there's a consensus i think of people i've spoken to of where the shooting came from, that will be the focus of a lot of people's questions and a lot of investigations. he heard their tim saying that he believed the shooter was killed, we don't have that confirmed by the fbi or the circuit service or anyone like that, at this stage, that's what he says he saw. an rehearing as you know from the trump campaign that the former president is fine, words. there were some reports that there was blood on his ear, he put his hand up to his ear, he put his hand up to his ear when the shooting started before they put him on the ground. so we'll undoubtedly have to wait for some detail whether he was struck at all or what happened. but we are also going to wait of course to see if anyone in the crowd was injured. we did hearfrom one eyewitness who said they saw one person being put in an ambulance and clearly, certainly when we were right here, hearing those shots, there were, i think six, eight, maybe more, difficult to tell, in rapid succession. it was one of those things where you know

straightaway, he thinks it was a car, a motorbike, no it was clear straightaway that that was gunfire. so that's why everyone inside that arena hit the floor and we hit the floor out here to.— out here to. it's really striking _ out here to. it's really striking to _ out here to. it's really striking to hear i out here to. it's really striking to hear now. out here to. it's really i striking to hear now from several people that you've been speaking with. folks that were there inside the rally, or people that were outside of the rally, people who were not directly involved with what was going on, just happen to be in the area, all telling us to see a similar story here. various reports from different agencies that we have, that were shots fired and some eyewitnesses of the gentleman you just spoke with they did see somebody on top of a roof, on a nearby building. we are going to wait to try and confirm those kinds of details. this seems to be pointing towards somebody being outside of that event, we're just getting reports in from cbs, our new school partner here in the united states, that

the suspect in the shooting head, quote, been neutralised. that would then agree with the person you've just spoken with that the person was shot and killed. that now coming in from cbs news. we do have rodney davis standing by, former congressman from illinois, i want to come back to you, rodney, to get your reaction now. of course, this is something that you sadly do you have a personal kind of involvement in. you were at an event, steve scalise i believe was targeted by a shooting. just walk us through what these kinds of moments are like when politics and violence in this country collide.— politics and violence in this country collide. well, they are terrifying- _ country collide. well, they are terrifying- l — country collide. well, they are terrifying. i never _ country collide. well, they are terrifying. i never expected i country collide. well, they are terrifying. i never expected to | terrifying. i never expected to be practising for a charity baseball game one morning at 7am in alexandria, virginia, and have to hear one of my

colleagues scream run, he's got a gun. you just let instinct take over and what i witnessed that day, in the ten minutes of just pure horror, of shooting, was something again i wouldn't wish upon anyone. but i also got a chance to witness what well trained law enforcement officers do to run toward gunfire, as those of us who are in the path of gunfire were able to run away. that is something that we witness today, too, with the brave, courageous secret service officers. and there's one thing that always kind of intertwines these events. it'sjust that always kind of intertwines these events. it's just you just don't know what happened if you weren't there. and as i'm listening to some of your guests who are on the ground, i will say to your viewers, trust them. trust what they saw. because they were on the ground, witnessing these things, and it's going to take a while to figure out who did

this, what actually happened, where the shots were fired from, but the best thing you can do at this point in the investigation is to listen to the people who personally witnessed what happened, and when they say that the shooter was neutralised, believe it. because they are not going to talk to your cameras if they don't have that information. rodney, just to reiterate here... just to reiterate, getting this news from cbs, just to clarify, cbs, our us news partner is reporting that to law enforcement sources have said there is no longer a threat, that the suspect is either dead or in custody. we are still working to clarify which one that is, but that secret service agents did engage the individual as you say there, rodney, that this was something that the officials there, secret service, were responding to and i do want to go back as you are saying, rodney, we are continuing to hear from

saying, rodney, we are continuing to hearfrom people on the ground and speaking about what they may have witnessed, i want to go back now to gary who does have a couple of other people standing by with him. gary o'donoghue has been reporting from pennsylvania outside this rally, and gary i want to hop over to you now, and see the couple other people standing by with you and see what they have to say. with you and see what they have to sa . ., , ., �* with you and see what they have tosa. ., �* , to say. yeah, you've been hearing — to say. yeah, you've been hearing from _ to say. yeah, you've been hearing from a _ to say. yeah, you've been hearing from a number. to say. yeah, you've been hearing from a number of| to say. yeah, you've been i hearing from a number of people who were inside the rally when the shooting started, and some shocking eyewitness testimony and some shocking... witness testimony from people who say they saw the shooter himself several minutes before the shots were fired out. i'm going to bring in out devon and his son colby who were both inside. first, devon, what did you see, what did you hear?— what did you hear? they “ust seen what did you hear? they “ust trump i what did you hear? they “ust trump up i what did you hear? they “ust seen trump up there i what did you hear? theyjust i seen trump up there speaking, then— seen trump up there speaking, then heard a couple shots ring out, _ then heard a couple shots ring out, seen _ then heard a couple shots ring out, seen trump brought to the floor. _ out, seen trump brought to the

floor. and — out, seen trump brought to the floor, and the shots were from my left — floor, and the shots were from m left. .,. , floor, and the shots were from m left. .. , ., my left. exactly where that buildin: my left. exactly where that building is _ my left. exactly where that building is that _ my left. exactly where that building is that people i my left. exactly where that| building is that people were pointing out?— building is that people were pointing out? yes, where the buildin: pointing out? yes, where the building is- — pointing out? yes, where the building is. saw _ pointing out? yes, where the building is. saw trumpet i building is. saw trumpet dropped to the floor and secret service — dropped to the floor and secret service jump on top of him. did service 'ump on top of him. did he no service jump on top of him. did he no to service jump on top of him. did he go to the — service jump on top of him. d c he go to the floor on his own, or did they put him there? he went on his own. colby, i or did they put him there? he went on his own. colby, you | or did they put him there? he i went on his own. colby, you saw that too? _ went on his own. colby, you saw that too? he _ went on his own. colby, you saw that too? he dropped _ went on his own. colby, you saw that too? he dropped to - went on his own. colby, you saw that too? he dropped to the i that too? he dropped to the floor himself? yes. did he do it of his own accord or was he hit? , , . ., hit? difficult to tell. obviously, - hit? difficult to tell. obviously, you i hit? difficult to tell. obviously, you guys hit? difficult to tell. i obviously, you guys hit hit? difficult to tell. - obviously, you guys hit the deck, to? obviously, you guys hit the deck. to?— obviously, you guys hit the deck, to? ~ ~ ~ deck, to? we hit the deck, then i heard screams _ deck, to? we hit the deck, then i heard screams from _ deck, to? we hit the deck, then i heard screams from my - deck, to? we hit the deck, then i heard screams from my right, | i heard screams from my right, that— i heard screams from my right, that would _ i heard screams from my right, that would have been behind the president's back and that's where _ president's back and that's where the bullet had travelled to and — where the bullet had travelled to and hit people in the stands _ to and hit people in the stands. to and hit people in the stands— to and hit people in the stands. ~ , stands. so you think people were hit in _ stands. so you think people were hit in the _ stands. so you think people were hit in the stands? - stands. so you think people were hit in the stands? i- stands. so you think people i were hit in the stands? i know for a fact _ were hit in the stands? i know for a fact people _ were hit in the stands? i know for a fact people were - were hit in the stands? i know for a fact people were hit - were hit in the stands? i know for a fact people were hit in i for a fact people were hit in the stands i saw them carried out — the stands i saw them carried out. ., ., i

the stands i saw them carried out-_ i know - out. how many? i know definitely _ out. how many? i know definitely too, - out. how many? i know definitely too, but - out. how many? i know| definitely too, but there out. how many? i know- definitely too, but there might be more — definitely too, but there might be more. | definitely too, but there might be more. , ., be more. i definitely saw two. were they _ be more. i definitely saw two. were they on _ be more. i definitely saw two. were they on stretchers? - be more. i definitely saw two. | were they on stretchers? yes, an ambulance, _ were they on stretchers? yes, an ambulance, too. _ were they on stretchers? yes, an ambulance, too. it - were they on stretchers? yes, an ambulance, too. it looks i an ambulance, too. it looks pretty— an ambulance, too. it looks pretty bad _ an ambulance, too. it looks pretty bad i_ an ambulance, too. it looks pretty bad. ithink- an ambulance, too. it looks pretty bad. i think if- an ambulance, too. it looks pretty bad. i think if trump| pretty bad. i think if trump wouldn't _ pretty bad. i think if trump wouldn't have _ pretty bad. i think if trump wouldn't have turned, - pretty bad. i think if trump wouldn't have turned, he l pretty bad. i think if trump- wouldn't have turned, he would have _ wouldn't have turned, he would have taken _ wouldn't have turned, he would have taken the _ wouldn't have turned, he would have taken the shot _ wouldn't have turned, he would have taken the shot right - have taken the shot right through— have taken the shot right through the _ have taken the shot right through the head - have taken the shot right through the head but - have taken the shot right through the head but hel have taken the shot right. through the head but he got have taken the shot right - through the head but he got the shot to — through the head but he got the shot to the _ through the head but he got the shot to the ear. _ through the head but he got the shot to the ear. so _ through the head but he got the shot to the ear.— shot to the ear. so he turned out that moment? _ shot to the ear. so he turned out that moment? he - shot to the ear. so he turned out that moment? he just i out that moment? he 'ust happened i out that moment? he 'ust happened to fl out that moment? he 'ust happened to turn �* out that moment? he 'ust happened to turn at h out that moment? he just happened to turn at that l out that moment? he just - happened to turn at that moment and got _ happened to turn at that moment and got the — happened to turn at that moment and got the shot _ happened to turn at that moment and got the shot to _ happened to turn at that moment and got the shot to his _ happened to turn at that moment and got the shot to his ear. - happened to turn at that moment and got the shot to his ear. i- and got the shot to his ear. i have — and got the shot to his ear. i have pictures _ and got the shot to his ear. i have pictures on _ and got the shot to his ear. i have pictures on the - and got the shot to his ear. i have pictures on the blood . and got the shot to his ear. i. have pictures on the blood from the side — have pictures on the blood from the side of— have pictures on the blood from the side of his— have pictures on the blood from the side of his head. _ have pictures on the blood from the side of his head. did - have pictures on the blood from the side of his head.— the side of his head. did you aet a the side of his head. did you get a sense _ the side of his head. did you get a sense of— the side of his head. did you get a sense of how - the side of his head. did you get a sense of how many - the side of his head. did you i get a sense of how many shots were fired altogether? six. get a sense of how many shots were fired altogether?- were fired altogether? six or eiuht, were fired altogether? six or eight, somewhere _ were fired altogether? six or eight, somewhere around i were fired altogether? six or- eight, somewhere around there. there _ eight, somewhere around there. there were reports of a guy on that roof, you didn't see him? know, but my friend told me there — know, but my friend told me there was— know, but my friend told me there was a _ know, but my friend told me there was a guy _ know, but my friend told me there was a guy on _ know, but my friend told me there was a guy on the - know, but my friend told me

there was a guy on the roof. | there was a guy on the roof. you — there was a guy on the roof. you saw— there was a guy on the roof. you saw the _ there was a guy on the roof. you saw the sniper- there was a guy on the roof. you saw the sniper person. i there was a guy on the roof. i you saw the sniper person. i you saw the sniper person. i saw you saw the sniper person. saw the you saw the sniper person. i saw the snipers off the cattle barn — saw the snipers off the cattle barn and _ saw the snipers off the cattle barn and horse _ saw the snipers off the cattle barn and horse barn. - saw the snipers off the cattle barn and horse barn. he - saw the snipers off the cattle barn and horse barn.- saw the snipers off the cattle barn and horse barn. he saw the flashes of— barn and horse barn. he saw the flashes of them _ barn and horse barn. he saw the flashes of them firing? - barn and horse barn. he saw the flashes of them firing? yeah. i flashes of them firing? yeah. and how was _ flashes of them firing? yeah. and how was the _ flashes of them firing? yeah. i and how was the atmosphere inside? . .. . and how was the atmosphere inside? .., . ,, ., , inside? chaotic. i know my daughter— inside? chaotic. i know my daughter was _ inside? chaotic. i know my daughter was scared. i inside? chaotic. i know my| daughter was scared. terror were — daughter was scared. terror were flying, chaotic. something i were flying, chaotic. something treatty— were flying, chaotic. something i really don't care to experience again. i really don't care to exerience aaain. . . ,, experience again. this is your community. _ experience again. this is your community. you _ experience again. this is your community, you live - experience again. this is your community, you live two i experience again. this is your| community, you live two miles down the road.— down the road. correct. i have a farm in _ down the road. correct. i have a farm in the _ down the road. correct. i have a farm in the area, _ down the road. correct. i have a farm in the area, they i down the road. correct. i have a farm in the area, they show| a farm in the area, they show animals at— a farm in the area, they show animals at the farm show here in three — animals at the farm show here in three weeks, i'ii animals at the farm show here in three weeks, i'll be living here — in three weeks, i'll be living here for— in three weeks, i'll be living here for almost two weeks. she is scary— here for almost two weeks. she is scary that it happened. it�*s is scary that it happened. it's our is scary that it happened. it's your first _ is scary that it happened. it's your first the _ is scary that it happened. it�*s your first the rally? is scary that it happened. it's your first the rally? i - is scary that it happened. it's your first the rally? i wanted | your first the rally? i wanted m kids your first the rally? i wanted my kids to — your first the rally? i wanted

my kids to experience i your first the rally? i wanted my kids to experience it i your first the rally? i wanted my kids to experience it and| my kids to experience it and it's a — my kids to experience it and it's a shame this happen. this was your— it's a shame this happen. this was your first _ it's a shame this happen. this was your first rally _ it's a shame this happen. this was your first rally as - was your first rally as well, colby? was your first rally as well, colb ? .. was your first rally as well, colb ? ., �* , ., colby? no, it's not the greatest- _ colby? no, it's not the greatest. doesn't i colby? no, it's not the | greatest. doesn't make colby? no, it's not the i greatest. doesn't make you colby? no, it's not the - greatest. doesn't make you fear for the future, _ greatest. doesn't make you fear for the future, this _ greatest. doesn't make you fear for the future, this of _ greatest. doesn't make you fear for the future, this of thing? i for the future, this of thing? yes. i have always believed in my gun — yes. i have always believed in my gun rights to protect my famity— my gun rights to protect my family and myself, you know, and it's— family and myself, you know, and it's not for because i want to carry— and it's not for because i want to carry a _ and it's not for because i want to carry a gun, but it's for my protection. _ to carry a gun, but it's for my protection, for my family. there _ protection, for my family. there just are a lot of nut ceases— there just are a lot of nut cases out— there just are a lot of nut cases out there any more that you cant— cases out there any more that you can't trust them.- you can't trust them. well, listen, devon, _ you can't trust them. well, listen, devon, colby, i you can't trust them. well, | listen, devon, colby, guys, you can't trust them. well, i listen, devon, colby, guys, i'm so sorry you are inside and had to experience that, i hope you get home soon and be safe, 0k guys? thanks for speaking to us on bbc news. well, you can see the shock in people's voices and in theirfaces, can you? disbelief of what and in their faces, can you? disbelief of what they've been through and those to just live two miles down the road. he's a

farmer, devon, comes to the show ground to show his animals until his animals, he's going to be here in a couple weeks' time and you can only think what memories that's going to bring back for him. he told us the president is fine, but there are some people who are not fine. there were a number of shots fired as we know, and who knows what the detailers. its, who knows what the detailers. a really horrific scene there as mentioned, scary as well because there could be other people that were affected by this shooting, we are hearing reports from eyewitnesses that gary was speaking to that there were casualties here. this is coming from the communications directorfor coming from the communications director for the coming from the communications directorfor the trump director for the trump campaign. this directorfor the trump campaign. this was director for the trump campaign. this was released on behalf of the former president and here it is saying president trump thanks law enforcement and first responders for the quick action during this heinous act. he is fine, he's going to be checked out —— he is being checked out at a local

medicalfacility is being checked out at a local medical facility and is being checked out at a local medicalfacility and more medical facility and more details medicalfacility and more details will follow. again, that's from the trump campaign. that's what we know right now, and that is of course good news. you see the picture there of bleeding former president trump, but hearing that he is fine, he's being treated at a nearby medical facility is of course very welcome news and of course very welcome news and of course again, this isjust taking place maybe 30 minutes to an hour ago now. just the beginning of a local campaign rally for the former president. he was appearing at a town outside of pittsburgh in the state of pennsylvania. shots were fired, it appears as if the president might have been injured by one of the shots. he is now in a stable condition, he's fine. we want to show you some of the scenes here. this was just after those shots rang out, you can see his security, secret service leading him down off of the stage. among thousands of supporters there at this rally outdoors and we

have another view of it here, take a look. again this could be disturbing, we've slowed the video down, you can see the former president immediately grabbed for his right ear, then he goes down to the ground and you can see others then rushed to the stage with him. the president going to the ground as those shots were being fired, here looking in shock, on his two feet, being surrounded and being guarded by those secret service officers holding up their hands, shielding him, not knowing at this point where those shots were coming from potentially and it's interesting to see the reaction of the crowd as they then realise he's 0k, cheering for him, holding up his fists there as he motions towards his supporters. you get a glance there at his ear, the blood on his ear and he did reach for that year, didn't he, as though

shots were coming out. this scene plays out in a matter of a minute or so, scene plays out in a matter of a minute orso, very scene plays out in a matter of a minute or so, very quickly moved into that vehicle you see there. then apparently what we know now, he's been taken to a local medical facility for treatment. again, this all unfolding in pennsylvania, the former president at a rally there only a few days ahead of a momentous republican national convention. we were anticipating potentially in the coming days or even hours that he might be announcing his running mate in this contest. we know that us presidentjoe biden has been briefed on the situation. we've been hearing reactions from several different lawmakers, politicians on both sides of the aisle here. i want to see if we can bring in our state department correspondent, tom bateman, who is here with us. and tom, i understand that you have some of those reactions that have been coming in from various different lawmakers in the us? �* , various different lawmakers in theus? ~ y

the us? absolutely, as you can imauine, the us? absolutely, as you can imagine. this — the us? absolutely, as you can imagine, this is _ the us? absolutely, as you can imagine, this is gathering i the us? absolutely, as you can imagine, this is gathering a i imagine, this is gathering a huge swell of reaction both politically and from all across the us at the moment. i mean, you've been talking about how much we know and of course one of the key issues here is that everyone is absorbing the same level of information at the moment which is broadly the pictures that we've seen, very sparse statement so far from the secret service and from the trump which appear so far to paint this picture that possibly shots fired as we've been saying, but that still is not confirmed. but as the eyewitnesses talking to gary were saying believed that there may be another casualty —— other casualties at the rally as well, but those pictures that are circulating now repeatedly of donald trump either falling repeatedly of donald trump eitherfalling or repeatedly of donald trump either falling or dropping himself to the floor and then picking himself back up with what appears to be blood around his right year before he is

bundled away by the secret service, that's what broadly everyone is responding to. so far. and we've had in the last few minutes, senator bob casey who is a pennsylvania democrat writing that he is offering his states to the state police —— support to the state police. governor mccormick was at the rally, he is safe according to bob casey, also gavin newsom of california who has been much talked about recently because of the political problems that president biden has been having, a key surrogate of the biden campaign saying in a statement that violence has no place in our democracy and my thoughts are with president trump and everyone implicated at the rally today. chuck schumer of new york, the majority leader of the democrats in the senate, also releasing a statement, i'm horrified by what happened at the trump rally in pennsylvania, relieved former president trump is safe, also

repeating that line, political violence has no place in our country. hakeem jeffries, the minority leader in the house of representatives, democrat leader, my thoughts are and prayers are with former president donald trump, i'm thankfulfor president donald trump, i'm thankful for the president donald trump, i'm thankfulfor the law thankful for the law enforcement response, thankfulfor the law enforcement response, america's democracy, political violence of any kind is never acceptable. some more and more reaction coming in as will absorb news of what has happened in butler pennsylvania. shocking news and disturbing for everybody to see what has happened, reports of other victims and casualties, we are working to confirm that. we know from cbs reporting that the alleged gunman in these cases is either been killed or neutralized and taken into custody, we are working to confirm that as well, but it is certainly right now an active investigation. that is what the secret service is telling us. i want to take a look at a

moment. again, this taking placejust a