across the far north, showers across the far north, north—east england having some clear spells. across these north—eastern areas will be the brightest, sunniest star to thursday. probably not much sun for wales and the southwest. through the day, further outbreaks of rain move in. the rain as heavy across northern ireland, north wales into northern england and scotland and despite the fact you will not see much sunshine into these areas we still get temperatures in the low 20s. the rain pushes north and east through thursday night, heavy rain for a time affecting northern scotland before slowly clearing, potentially rain hanging on first thing on friday across east anglia and south—east england, friday is decent, sunny spells are widespread, a few showers and there will be lots of dry weather through friday afternoon. temperatures widely into the 20s but getting warmer for east anglia and south—east england. a

warming trend too, one air associated with tropical storm debbie comes from the west atlantic causing the jet stream to ripple more. downstream of that we get a ridge of high pressure which will bring hot and sunny weather to part of england and wales, temperatures running into the low 30s for a time on sunday and monday and i could be heavy, thundery rain across northern and western areas.— time to join our colleagues now for the news where you are. have a very good night.

signs saying refugees welcome. and hugs on the way to the mosque. thousands of police and thousands more anti—racist protestors take to the streets after eight days of violence. good evening and welcome to newsnight, the home of insight and interviews. we were told to expect far—right protests at perhaps 100 different locations tonight. an eighth night of unrest, after last week's knife attack in southport. the targets were reportedly going to be facilities that housed asylum seekers and those who supported them. but watch this video for an example of what happened instead. these guys are on the way to a

mosque in accrington in lancashire. when they pass a pub, drinkers come out and give them a hug. tonight, we'll discuss what's going on with our panel. samuel kasumu, former special advisor to borisjohnson on civil society and communities. baroness ayesha hazarika, labour peer and broadcaster. and sir tom winsor who served as her majesty's chief inspector of constabulary until 2022. good to have you with us for the whole show. samuel, what is your reaction to the quite amazing scenes tonight, antiracist protesters at a lot of places are not a lot of far right protesters.— lot of places are not a lot of far right protesters. martin luther king said that in the _ right protesters. martin luther king said that in the end _ right protesters. martin luther king said that in the end we _ right protesters. martin luther king said that in the end we will- said that in the end we will remember not the words of our enemies but the silence of her friends and what we have seen tonight is a depiction of what we have seen over the last eight days. proud brits, patriotic brits standing up and making sure are

heard and that they are defending our right to coexist as a nation of people from different backgrounds. i couldn't be prouder but we mustn't be complacent. there is so much more work that needs to be done, divisions that exist that exist that does notjustify some of divisions that exist that exist that does not justify some of the divisions that exist that exist that does notjustify some of the silly behaviour we have seen over the last eight days but overall this has been a reminder that this country is full of people who shared a sense of identity and want us to be one nation. ~ , ., ., , ., nation. why tonight and why not esterda nation. why tonight and why not yesterday or _ nation. why tonight and why not yesterday or the _ nation. why tonight and why not yesterday or the day _ nation. why tonight and why not yesterday or the day before - nation. why tonight and why not yesterday or the day before or. nation. why tonight and why not i yesterday or the day before or the day before that? a, yesterday or the day before or the day before that?— day before that? a number of reasons- _ day before that? a number of reasons. firstly _ day before that? a number of reasons. firstly as _ day before that? a number of reasons. firstly as you - day before that? a number of- reasons. firstly as you mentioned, talks of potential protests happening at particular locations including london for the first time, and i suppose this was the first time for people to stand up and say actually we are not going to have this in our own communities. social media has played a huge role in some of the things we have seen.— of the things we have seen. perhaps ositivel of the things we have seen. perhaps positively tonight _ of the things we have seen. perhaps positively tonight as _ of the things we have seen. perhaps positively tonight as opposed - of the things we have seen. perhaps positively tonight as opposed to - positively tonight as opposed to negatively over the last few days. i

would argue negatively overall. those in charge of social media have a lot to answer for and we must do more to make sure it is not used as a vehicle for evil. we must defend free speech but if it results in the certain people being brought to harm them for me that is a step too far. we have a whole conversation about social media later on in this programme. ayesha, you know a lot about social media campaign so how did tonight happen? you saw banners tonight, was this quite organised, do you reckon? i tonight, was this quite organised, do you reckon?— do you reckon? i think some of it was organised — do you reckon? i think some of it was organised but _ do you reckon? i think some of it was organised but i _ do you reckon? i think some of it was organised but i agree - do you reckon? i think some of it was organised but i agree with i do you reckon? i think some of it| was organised but i agree with so much _ was organised but i agree with so much of— was organised but i agree with so much of what you have said. tonight we have _ much of what you have said. tonight we have seen what so far has been a silent _ we have seen what so far has been a silent majority of people who have been _ silent majority of people who have been absolutely aghast, they have been absolutely aghast, they have been ashamed, they have been aghast. they have _ been ashamed, they have been aghast. they have been really frightened at the scenes that have taken place over the — the scenes that have taken place over the last few weeks and i think some _ over the last few weeks and i think some of— over the last few weeks and i think some of it — over the last few weeks and i think some of it has been organised and

some _ some of it has been organised and some of— some of it has been organised and some of it — some of it has been organised and some of it isjust good people who, to coin _ some of it isjust good people who, to coin a _ some of it isjust good people who, to coin a phrase, want their country back _ to coin a phrase, want their country back they— to coin a phrase, want their country back. they don't recognise the country— back. they don't recognise the country we have seen over the last seven _ country we have seen over the last seven days — country we have seen over the last seven days with the riotous, racist thugs _ seven days with the riotous, racist thugs taking to the streets and terrorising minority communities and making _ terrorising minority communities and making people feel frightened. some of it has— making people feel frightened. some of it has been organised and some of it has— of it has been organised and some of it has come _ of it has been organised and some of it has come from genuinely the souls of people _ it has come from genuinely the souls of people. do it has come from genuinely the souls of --eole. ,, it has come from genuinely the souls of --eole. ~ it has come from genuinely the souls of eole. of people. do you think you can bottle this? _ of people. do you think you can bottle this? we _ of people. do you think you can bottle this? we need _ of people. do you think you can bottle this? we need to - of people. do you think you can bottle this? we need to be - of people. do you think you can i bottle this? we need to be careful to not be pollyannaesque - bottle this? we need to be careful to not be pollyannaesque about i bottle this? we need to be careful i to not be pollyannaesque about this, ithink— to not be pollyannaesque about this, i think it _ to not be pollyannaesque about this, i think it is _ to not be pollyannaesque about this, i think it is good that people came out tonight and we didn't see more horrific— out tonight and we didn't see more horrific scenes but let's not be naive — horrific scenes but let's not be naive about how things are right now ”p naive about how things are right now up and _ naive about how things are right now up and down this country. not just muslims, — up and down this country. not just muslims, and i am a muslim myself, people _ muslims, and i am a muslim myself, people of— muslims, and i am a muslim myself, people of colour, black and brown people _ people of colour, black and brown people across the country, i was speaking — people across the country, i was speaking to the dorm and earlier and people _ speaking to the dorm and earlier and people of— speaking to the dorm and earlier and people of colour having these conversations going, are you all right, _ conversations going, are you all right, how— conversations going, are you all right, how are you feeling? if you

are black— right, how are you feeling? if you are black or— right, how are you feeling? if you are black or brown and you have kids going _ are black or brown and you have kids going out— are black or brown and you have kids going out at— are black or brown and you have kids going out at night you are feeling so anxious. it is not to take away from _ so anxious. it is not to take away from it_ so anxious. it is not to take away from it llul— so anxious. it is not to take away from it but everybody whether you are out _ from it but everybody whether you are out to — from it but everybody whether you are out to yourself or worrying about — are out to yourself or worrying about your _ are out to yourself or worrying about your son or daughter getting home, _ about your son or daughter getting home, we — about your son or daughter getting home, we have heard about nurseries having _ home, we have heard about nurseries having to _ home, we have heard about nurseries having to close early, mosques are getting _ having to close early, mosques are getting extra protection, graves being _ getting extra protection, graves being under threat of desecration. this is— being under threat of desecration. this is good but let's not do the thing _ this is good but let's not do the thing we — this is good but let's not do the thing we go over top. there will be so nrany_ thing we go over top. there will be so many people of colour colour up and down _ so many people of colour colour up and down the country who are so anxious— and down the country who are so anxious right now notjust for themselves but for they are kids, people _ themselves but for they are kids, people who feel the clock has been turned _ people who feel the clock has been turned back to the stories are parents — turned back to the stories are parents and grandparents heard when they first _ parents and grandparents heard when they first came to the country where if you _ they first came to the country where if you were — they first came to the country where if you were a — they first came to the country where if you were a black or brown person you would — if you were a black or brown person you would be scared to go onto the street— you would be scared to go onto the street because of the national front roanring _ street because of the national front roaming around. $0 street because of the national front roaming around. so we shouldn't forget _ roaming around. so we shouldn't forget that— roaming around. so we shouldn't forget that really deep, on a cellular— forget that really deep, on a cellular level, fear and trauma that people _ cellular level, fear and trauma that people have.

cellular level, fear and trauma that people have-— cellular level, fear and trauma that people have. tonight, are we seeing --eole people have. tonight, are we seeing people power— people have. tonight, are we seeing people power because _ people have. tonight, are we seeing people power because are _ people have. tonight, are we seeing people power because are a - people have. tonight, are we seeing people power because are a lot - people have. tonight, are we seeing| people power because are a lot more antiracist protesters than police officers? i antiracist protesters than police officers? ~ , ., , officers? i think it is an extremely ositive officers? i think it is an extremely positive development. _ officers? i think it is an extremely positive development. people - officers? i think it is an extremely. positive development. people have seen on _ positive development. people have seen on their— positive development. people have seen on their tv _ positive development. people have seen on their tv the _ positive development. people have seen on their tv the police - positive development. people have seen on their tv the police being i seen on their tv the police being attacked. — seen on their tv the police being attacked. and _ seen on their tv the police being attacked, and very— seen on their tv the police being attacked, and very bravely- seen on their tv the police being i attacked, and very bravely standing between _ attacked, and very bravely standing between the — attacked, and very bravely standing between the attackers _ attacked, and very bravely standing between the attackers and - attacked, and very bravely standing between the attackers and their. between the attackers and their intended — between the attackers and their intended victims, _ between the attackers and their intended victims, and _ between the attackers and their intended victims, and taking. intended victims, and taking injuries— intended victims, and taking injuries and _ intended victims, and taking injuries and some _ intended victims, and taking injuries and some extreme l intended victims, and taking - injuries and some extreme levels of violence _ injuries and some extreme levels of violence robert— injuries and some extreme levels of violence. robert peel— injuries and some extreme levels of violence. robert peel who - injuries and some extreme levels of violence. robert peel who foundedl violence. robert peel who founded the metropolitan _ violence. robert peel who founded the metropolitan police _ violence. robert peel who founded the metropolitan police in - violence. robert peel who founded the metropolitan police in 1829- violence. robert peel who foundedl the metropolitan police in 1829 said the metropolitan police in 1829 said the police _ the metropolitan police in 1829 said the police and — the metropolitan police in 1829 said the police and the _ the metropolitan police in 1829 said the police and the public _ the metropolitan police in 1829 said the police and the public and - the metropolitan police in 1829 said the police and the public and the i the police and the public and the public— the police and the public and the public are — the police and the public and the public are the _ the police and the public and the public are the police. _ the police and the public and the public are the police. the - the police and the public and the public are the police. the police i the police and the public and the i public are the police. the police in this country— public are the police. the police in this country are _ public are the police. the police in this country are not _ public are the police. the police in this country are not the _ this country are not the oppressive arm of— this country are not the oppressive arm of an— this country are not the oppressive arm of an authoritarian _ this country are not the oppressive l arm of an authoritarian government. they are _ arm of an authoritarian government. they are of— arm of an authoritarian government. they are of our— arm of an authoritarian government. they are of our community, - arm of an authoritarian government. they are of our community, they arej they are of our community, they are from _ they are of our community, they are from our— they are of our community, they are from our community, _ they are of our community, they are from our community, they— they are of our community, they are from our community, they do - they are of our community, they are from our community, they do not. from our community, they do not respond — from our community, they do not respond and _ from our community, they do not respond and take _ from our community, they do not respond and take direction- from our community, they do not respond and take direction from i respond and take direction from politicians, _ respond and take direction from politicians, they— respond and take direction from politicians, they are _ respond and take direction from politicians, they are our- respond and take direction from - politicians, they are our neighbours and friends — politicians, they are our neighbours and friends in — politicians, they are our neighbours and friends in uniform _ politicians, they are our neighbours and friends in uniform with - politicians, they are our neighbours and friends in uniform with speciall and friends in uniform with special powers _ and friends in uniform with special powers i— and friends in uniform with special powers ithink— and friends in uniform with special powers. i think the _ and friends in uniform with special powers. i think the community- and friends in uniform with special|

powers. i think the community has come _ powers. i think the community has come out — powers. i think the community has come out to— powers. i think the community has come out to say— powers. i think the community has come out to say our— powers. i think the community has come out to say our neighbours i powers. i think the community hasl come out to say our neighbours and their friends— come out to say our neighbours and theirfriends in— come out to say our neighbours and their friends in uniform _ come out to say our neighbours and their friends in uniform need - their friends in uniform need support, _ their friends in uniform need support. and _ their friends in uniform need support. and if— their friends in uniform need support, and if they - their friends in uniform need support, and if they come i their friends in uniform needl support, and if they come out their friends in uniform need - support, and if they come out in their— support, and if they come out in their thousands, _ support, and if they come out in their thousands, where - support, and if they come out in their thousands, where are - support, and if they come out in their thousands, where are the. support, and if they come out in i their thousands, where are the far right— their thousands, where are the far right going — their thousands, where are the far right going to _ their thousands, where are the far right going to go? _ their thousands, where are the far right going to go? fire— their thousands, where are the far right going to go?— right going to go? are other tools ofthe right going to go? are other tools of the police _ right going to go? are other tools of the police could _ right going to go? are other tools of the police could have _ right going to go? are other tools of the police could have reached i of the police could have reached four if they were going to escalate their response? i heard yesterday about rubber bullets being deployed, for example. i about rubber bullets being deployed, for exam - le. ~ about rubber bullets being deployed, for example-— for example. i think they are called attenuated energy _ for example. i think they are called attenuated energy projectiles. - attenuated energy projectiles. rubber— attenuated energy projectiles. rubber bullets, _ attenuated energy projectiles. rubber bullets, they - attenuated energy projectiles. rubber bullets, they have - attenuated energy projectiles. i rubber bullets, they have never attenuated energy projectiles. - rubber bullets, they have never been used on _ rubber bullets, they have never been used on the _ rubber bullets, they have never been used on the streets _ rubber bullets, they have never been used on the streets of _ rubber bullets, they have never been used on the streets of the _ rubber bullets, they have never been used on the streets of the uk - rubber bullets, they have never been used on the streets of the uk and - rubber bullets, they have never been used on the streets of the uk and i. used on the streets of the uk and i see no— used on the streets of the uk and i see no reason— used on the streets of the uk and i see no reason why _ used on the streets of the uk and i see no reason why they— used on the streets of the uk and i see no reason why they might - used on the streets of the uk and i see no reason why they might be. i see no reason why they might be. police _ see no reason why they might be. police have — see no reason why they might be. police have all— see no reason why they might be. police have all the _ see no reason why they might be. police have all the powers - see no reason why they might be. police have all the powers they i police have all the powers they need. — police have all the powers they need. they— police have all the powers they need, they have _ police have all the powers they need, they have all— police have all the powers they need, they have all the - police have all the powers they need, they have all the laws i need, they have all the laws available _ need, they have all the laws available that _ need, they have all the laws available that they - need, they have all the laws available that they need, . need, they have all the lawsl available that they need, and need, they have all the laws - available that they need, and they have been— available that they need, and they have been deploying _ available that they need, and they have been deploying them - available that they need, and they have been deploying them so - available that they need, and they. have been deploying them so people have been deploying them so people have been— have been deploying them so people have been coming _ have been deploying them so people have been coming out— have been deploying them so people have been coming out with _ have been deploying them so people have been coming out with face - have been coming out with face coverings — have been coming out with face coverings because _ have been coming out with face coverings because they- have been coming out with face coverings because they think i have been coming out with face i coverings because they think that that will— coverings because they think that that will protect _ coverings because they think that that will protect them _ coverings because they think that that will protect them from - that will protect them from detection _ that will protect them from detection. in _ that will protect them from detection. in 2011, - that will protect them from detection. in 2011, 3000 i that will protect them from - detection. in 2011, 3000 people that will protect them from _ detection. in 2011, 3000 people were arrested _ detection. in 2011, 3000 people were arrested and — detection. in 2011, 3000 people were arrested and convicted _ detection. in 2011, 3000 people were arrested and convicted and _ detection. in 2011, 3000 people were arrested and convicted and so - detection. in 2011, 3000 people were arrested and convicted and so on, - arrested and convicted and so on,

largely— arrested and convicted and so on, largely using _ arrested and convicted and so on, largely using cctv. _ arrested and convicted and so on, largely using cctv. the _ arrested and convicted and so on, | largely using cctv. the techniques and the _ largely using cctv. the techniques and the instruments— largely using cctv. the techniques and the instruments that _ largely using cctv. the techniques and the instruments that the - largely using cctv. the techniques| and the instruments that the police have now _ and the instruments that the police have now for— and the instruments that the police have now for identifying _ and the instruments that the police have now for identifying people, i have now for identifying people, even _ have now for identifying people, even with — have now for identifying people, even with face _ have now for identifying people, even with face coverings, - have now for identifying people, even with face coverings, i - have now for identifying people, | even with face coverings, i won't have now for identifying people, - even with face coverings, iwon't go even with face coverings, i won't go into detail. — even with face coverings, i won't go into detail. are _ even with face coverings, i won't go into detail, are very, _ even with face coverings, iwon't go into detail, are very, very— into detail, are very, very advanced _ into detail, are very, very advanced. and _ into detail, are very, very advanced. and also - into detail, are very, very advanced. and also it - into detail, are very, very advanced. and also it is l into detail, are very, veryl advanced. and also it is an into detail, are very, very- advanced. and also it is an offence to have _ advanced. and also it is an offence to have a _ advanced. and also it is an offence to have a face _ advanced. and also it is an offence to have a face covering, _ advanced. and also it is an offence to have a face covering, to - advanced. and also it is an offencel to have a face covering, to maintain a face _ to have a face covering, to maintain a face covering _ to have a face covering, to maintain a face covering if _ to have a face covering, to maintain a face covering if ordered _ to have a face covering, to maintain a face covering if ordered to - to have a face covering, to maintain a face covering if ordered to take i a face covering if ordered to take it off— a face covering if ordered to take it off by— a face covering if ordered to take it off by a — a face covering if ordered to take it off by a police _ a face covering if ordered to take it off by a police officer. - a face covering if ordered to take it off by a police officer. so - a face covering if ordered to take it off by a police officer. so i - it off by a police officer. so i think— it off by a police officer. so i think the _ it off by a police officer. so i think the community - it off by a police officer. so i think the community has - it off by a police officer. so i i think the community has come together— think the community has come together and _ think the community has come together and i_ think the community has come together and i think— think the community has come together and i think it- think the community has come together and i think it is- think the community has come together and i think it is an - together and i think it is an extremely— together and i think it is an extremely positive - together and i think it is an extremely positive step. i together and i think it is an i extremely positive step. find together and i think it is an extremely positive step. and i have to sa i extremely positive step. and i have to say i was — extremely positive step. and i have to say i was quite — extremely positive step. and i have to say i was quite surprised - extremely positive step. and i have to say i was quite surprised how- to say i was quite surprised how much leewayjudges have. i thought someone is convicted of a crime, sentences range between these numbers but we have seen judges go way over. numbers but we have seen 'udges go wa over. , ., .., way over. there is a thing called the community _ way over. there is a thing called the community impact _ way over. there is a thing called | the community impact surcharge way over. there is a thing called i the community impact surcharge or enhancement. _ the community impact surcharge or enhancement, and— the community impact surcharge or enhancement, and in— the community impact surcharge or enhancement, and in 2011- the community impact surcharge or enhancement, and in 2011 and - the community impact surcharge or enhancement, and in 2011 and the. enhancement, and in 2011 and the riots the _ enhancement, and in 2011 and the riots the sentences _ enhancement, and in 2011 and the riots the sentences that _ enhancement, and in 2011 and the riots the sentences that were - enhancement, and in 2011 and thel riots the sentences that were given out, riots the sentences that were given out. they _ riots the sentences that were given out, they started _ riots the sentences that were given out, they started at _ riots the sentences that were given out, they started at 25% _ riots the sentences that were given out, they started at 25% plus - riots the sentences that were given out, they started at 25% plus and l out, they started at 25% plus and they went — out, they started at 25% plus and they went up _ out, they started at 25% plus and they went up. and _ out, they started at 25% plus and they went up. and the _ out, they started at 25% plus and they went up. and the judiciary, i out, they started at 25% plus and i they went up. and the judiciary, as part of— they went up. and the judiciary, as part of the — they went up. and the judiciary, as part of the community, _ they went up. and the judiciary, as part of the community, handed - they went up. and the judiciary, asj part of the community, handed out some _ part of the community, handed out some very— part of the community, handed out some very severe _

part of the community, handed out some very severe sentences. - part of the community, handed out some very severe sentences. we i part of the community, handed out- some very severe sentences. we heard some _ some very severe sentences. we heard some today _ some very severe sentences. we heard some today as _ some very severe sentences. we heard some today as well. _ some very severe sentences. we heard some today as well, so _ some very severe sentences. we heard some today as well, so for— some very severe sentences. we heard some today as well, so for example - some today as well, so for example in 2011. _ some today as well, so for example in 2011. there— some today as well, so for example in 2011, there was _ some today as well, so for example in 2011, there was somebody - some today as well, so for example in 2011, there was somebody who i in 2011, there was somebody who stole _ in 2011, there was somebody who stole two — in 2011, there was somebody who stole two mac— in 2011, there was somebody who stole two mac bottles _ in 2011, there was somebody who stole two mac bottles of- in 2011, there was somebody who stole two mac bottles of water. in 2011, there was somebody who i stole two mac bottles of water from a shop _ stole two mac bottles of water from a shop during — stole two mac bottles of water from a shop during looting _ stole two mac bottles of water from a shop during looting and _ stole two mac bottles of water from a shop during looting and disorder. i a shop during looting and disorder. he got— a shop during looting and disorder. he got six— a shop during looting and disorder. he got six weeks _ a shop during looting and disorder. he got six weeks in— a shop during looting and disorder. he got six weeks in prison - a shop during looting and disorder. he got six weeks in prison for- a shop during looting and disorder. he got six weeks in prison for twol he got six weeks in prison for two bottles _ he got six weeks in prison for two bottles of— he got six weeks in prison for two bottles of water. _ he got six weeks in prison for two bottles of water. those _ he got six weeks in prison for two bottles of water. those are - he got six weeks in prison for two bottles of water. those are the i bottles of water. those are the sorts _ bottles of water. those are the sorts of— bottles of water. those are the sorts of sentences _ bottles of water. those are the sorts of sentences that - bottles of water. those are the sorts of sentences that people | bottles of water. those are the i sorts of sentences that people are facing _ sorts of sentences that people are facing and — sorts of sentences that people are facing and they— sorts of sentences that people are facing and they are _ sorts of sentences that people are facing and they are going - sorts of sentences that people are facing and they are going to - sorts of sentences that people are facing and they are going to be . sorts of sentences that people are i facing and they are going to be much worse _ facing and they are going to be much worse for— facing and they are going to be much worse for violence _ facing and they are going to be much worse for violence because _ facing and they are going to be much worse for violence because let's - worse for violence because let's remember. _ worse for violence because let's remember. in— worse for violence because let's remember, in 2011— worse for violence because let's remember, in 2011 the - worse for violence because let's - remember, in 2011 the predominant motivation — remember, in 2011 the predominant motivation was _ remember, in 2011 the predominant motivation was violence _ remember, in 2011 the predominant motivation was violence against - motivation was violence against property — motivation was violence against property. in— motivation was violence against property. in 2020 _ motivation was violence against property. in 2020 for— motivation was violence against property. in 2020 for the - property. in 2020 for the predominant— property. in 2020 for the predominant motivationl property. in 2020 for thel predominant motivation is property. in 2020 for the - predominant motivation is violence against _ predominant motivation is violence against people. _ predominant motivation is violence against people, violence _ predominant motivation is violence against people, violence against. predominant motivation is violencel against people, violence against the police. _ against people, violence against the police. but — against people, violence against the police. but also _ against people, violence against the police, but also against _ against people, violence against the police, but also against people - against people, violence against the police, but also against people that| police, but also against people that the thugs _ police, but also against people that the thugs don't _ police, but also against people that the thugs don't like. _ police, but also against people that the thugs don't like. the? - police, but also against people that the thugs don't like.— the thugs don't like. they want to fri . hten the thugs don't like. they want to frighten people- _ the thugs don't like. they want to frighten people. and _ the thugs don't like. they want to frighten people. and another- the thugs don't like. they want to | frighten people. and another point that is— frighten people. and another point that is really interesting, just in the last— that is really interesting, just in the last 24 hours we are seeing the criminal— the last 24 hours we are seeing the criminaljustice system kick in, people — criminaljustice system kick in, people being arrested and going for trials _ people being arrested and going for trials we _ people being arrested and going for trials. we are getting the pictures of people — trials. we are getting the pictures of people and getting these sentences, and seeing the wheels are in motion _ sentences, and seeing the wheels are in motion and have been greased that quite a _ in motion and have been greased that

quite a significant level. and we have _ quite a significant level. and we have a _ quite a significant level. and we have a country, where i know the police _ have a country, where i know the police are — have a country, where i know the police are not perfect and i have been _ police are not perfect and i have been quick— police are not perfect and i have been quick to criticise the police on many— been quick to criticise the police on many occasions, but we have a thing _ on many occasions, but we have a thing which — on many occasions, but we have a thing which has policing by consent, and where _ thing which has policing by consent, and where the majority of the country — and where the majority of the country is _ and where the majority of the country is right now, to your point about— country is right now, to your point about the — country is right now, to your point about the community, i have been really— about the community, i have been really moved even though it has been a stressful— really moved even though it has been a stressful and upsetting time, the number— a stressful and upsetting time, the number of— a stressful and upsetting time, the number of people who have reached out to _ number of people who have reached out to me _ number of people who have reached out to me and others, including my friends _ out to me and others, including my friends from — out to me and others, including my friends from the jewish community who have _ friends from the jewish community who have had a difficult time as well. _ who have had a difficult time as well. they— who have had a difficult time as well, they are reaching out and saying — well, they are reaching out and saying are _ well, they are reaching out and saying are you 0k? they have been reaching _ saying are you 0k? they have been reaching out to colleagues and people — reaching out to colleagues and people of colour. what you are seeing — people of colour. what you are seeing is — people of colour. what you are seeing is a _ people of colour. what you are seeing is a silent majority and they are giving — seeing is a silent majority and they are giving tacit permission to the police _ are giving tacit permission to the police and — are giving tacit permission to the police and the state to say, get this under— police and the state to say, get this under control, we are not happy with this _ first of all we are talking about calls for the government to prescribe some of the groups linked to the violence in the past week. in other words, to ban then. and, in the midst of the unrest, almost half of brits now believe right—wing extremists are a "big threat", according to polling out today. here's what the deputy pm had

to say earlier to those considering attending anti—migrant gatherings tonight. coming on the streets, throwing missiles at the police, attacking police, attacking hotels like this one i am in here today, is not a legitimate grievance, it's not the way we do politics in this country and nobody should be condoning that. we have seen what has happened on the streets like here in rotherham and that is not our british values. angela rayner speaking earlier. let's speak to robin simcox, the commissionerfor countering extremism — which means he's the home office's independent adviser on extremism — in his first interview since the unrest broke out in southport. hello, robin. have you been involved in this latest crisis on an operational or advisory level? iflat operational or advisory level? not in an operational or advisory level? fight in an operational level, the work we do at the commission is below the criminal, terrorism threshold, so we very much keep an eye on the ideologies and the views that inform

the protests and riots, the completely unacceptable lawbreaking that has taken place. there has been an awful lot to assess from that point. an awful lot to assess from that oint. , , ., , . an awful lot to assess from that oint. , , . ., ., point. did you expect a call from the home _ point. did you expect a call from the home secretary _ point. did you expect a call from the home secretary or— point. did you expect a call from the home secretary or number. point. did you expect a call from - the home secretary or number ten? i speak to the home secretary plenty. you have been in touch the last few days? you have been in touch the last few da s? . you have been in touch the last few days?- what — you have been in touch the last few days? yes. what sort of thing is that they want _ days? yes. what sort of thing is that they want to _ days? fies what sort of thing is that they want to know? days? yes. what sort of thing is that they want to know? as - days? yes. what sort of thing is that they want to know? as you | days? yes. what sort of thing is - that they want to know? as you can ima . ine that they want to know? as you can imagine there _ that they want to know? as you can imagine there is _ that they want to know? as you can imagine there is a _ that they want to know? as you can imagine there is a lot _ that they want to know? as you can imagine there is a lot to _ that they want to know? as you can imagine there is a lot to unpack- that they want to know? as you can imagine there is a lot to unpack in i imagine there is a lot to unpack in terms of the extremism challenges we face. there is a whole host of events that i think have led to the unrest that we have seen, the violence we have seen, a whole. factors supporting the extremists as they carried out these acts of violence. ., . they carried out these acts of violence. ,, . ., they carried out these acts of violence.- where i they carried out these acts of violence.- where to | they carried out these acts of- violence.- where to start. violence. such as? where to start. you have certain _ violence. such as? where to start. you have certain flashpoints - violence. such as? where to start. you have certain flashpoints that l you have certain flashpoints that have built up in the last month or so, things that have contributed to the extreme right—wing narrative, so thatis the extreme right—wing narrative, so that is from the incident in

manchester airport, the stabbing of a soldier in kent, the asylum centre in dublin, unrest in leeds, all things that are unconnected but in the extreme right—wing narrative are highly connected. and beyond that you have all sorts of factors that lead to people being supporting these extremist ideas in the first place, whether quite mainstream concern such as housing and nhs waiting lists, small boats, a variety of things, that the extremists, in this example the extreme right wing, say, we are the answer to this question. the government can't answer these questions and the media want to ignore you. pare questions and the media want to ignore you-— questions and the media want to ianore ou.�* , ., ignore you. are you saying they have not a ignore you. are you saying they have got a point? — ignore you. are you saying they have got a point? no- _ ignore you. are you saying they have got a point? no. they _ ignore you. are you saying they have got a point? no. they are _ ignore you. are you saying they have got a point? no. they are taking - got a point? ila. they are taking advantage of these things people genuinely feel but putting them together? genuinely feel but putting them to . ether? ., ., together? putting it through an extremist lens _ together? putting it through an extremist lens and _ together? putting it through an extremist lens and presenting i extremist lens and presenting themselves as an answer to questions lots of people are wrestling with. in terms of the current story are

currently far right, where are we? is this the end of the beginning or have we reached a peak and we are now in a downward swing? i have we reached a peak and we are now in a downward swing?- have we reached a peak and we are now in a downward swing? i think it is hard to say- _ now in a downward swing? i think it is hard to say. a _ now in a downward swing? i think it is hard to say. a lot _ now in a downward swing? i think it is hard to say. a lot of _ now in a downward swing? i think it is hard to say. a lot of people - now in a downward swing? i think it is hard to say. a lot of people are i is hard to say. a lot of people are terribly relieved tonight that there has not been the violence and protests and disruption that was feared. i don't think we should be complacent about it. i think it is a good news story today but still lots of protest planned over the weekend and of course the ongoing factors, the drivers are still there, and they are... they need to be resolved and it is not resolved overnight. you look at what we have got, the public order act, your office, the fact that the courts have a lot of leeway. do we have the right kind of package of things to tackle the threat or do we need to add to it? the state has got quite a develop capacity to be able to respond to these kinds of events, through counterterrorism policing, through regular policing out on the beat today as you have seen. there are

all sorts of laws available to prosecutors to be able to bring people to court, we can see that going through the system now. there is also the ability to be able to act against those groups that operate below the terrorism threshold, the criminal threshold, who in the past have stayed below that line. and that is an area that i think the government will also potentially be looking to do more. that is the next frontier, just below terrorist or just that is the next frontier, just below terrorist orjust below extremist? i below terrorist or 'ust below extremisnh below terrorist or 'ust below extremist? ~ , , , extremist? i think so because it is the hardest _ extremist? i think so because it is the hardest to _ extremist? i think so because it is the hardest to get _ extremist? i think so because it is the hardest to get to, _ extremist? i think so because it is the hardest to get to, because - extremist? i think so because it is the hardest to get to, because if i the hardest to get to, because if the hardest to get to, because if the act as legal versus alegal there is a black and white helmet that makes it easier. it is the shades of grey that make it much harder for policymakers and politicians and police. hard or impossible? i don't think impossible. all sorts of groups operate below the terrorism threshold that we have had to have lots of experience in dealing with over the last few decades. the state has got quite sophisticated abilities to be able to respond to

those sorts of groups, not perfect of course and nothing else, but that is where i think a lot of the attention might come in the next days and weeks and months. having talked about — days and weeks and months. having talked about groups _ days and weeks and months. having talked about groups below - days and weeks and months. having talked about groups below the - talked about groups below the threshold to be made illegal, do you think we will see more groups being proscribed in the next few months? i couldn't say, it is a discussion that will be taking place between government, police and security services if it needs to take place. there will be a lot of intelligence being gathered in the coming days, a lot of intelligence being gathered in the previous days as well about responding on the ground and that decision will be made that they think a threshold has been crossed. we know that it is something that is in the armoury to use. and very quickly, your reaction to a story breaking in austria tonight which is the cancellation of three taylor swift concert is on her world tour because of a threat from islamist extremism?— because of a threat from islamist extremism? ., ., , ., . extremism? the threat from islamic state and those _ extremism? the threat from islamic state and those inspired _ extremism? the threat from islamic state and those inspired by - extremism? the threat from islamic state and those inspired by it, - extremism? the threat from islamic state and those inspired by it, it - state and those inspired by it, it hasn't gone away. the caliphate has

been taken from them, the group much weaker but they still inspire people all around the world to carry at these kinds of attacks and i would suggest, i don't know, the fact the concert was cancelled suggests there must have been something relatively serious about the plot that was in place in austria.— serious about the plot that was in place in austria. because you don't want to cancel— place in austria. because you don't want to cancel these _ place in austria. because you don't want to cancel these things, - place in austria. because you don't want to cancel these things, do - place in austria. because you don't i want to cancel these things, do you? it is a huge cost to cancel these things and tens of thousands of disappointed people, but of course we ceased with something like the ariana grande concert in manchester that was a target in the past, we know the consequences of the sorts of venues being targeted.— know the consequences of the sorts of venues being targeted. thank you very much- — tech companies have been accused of supercharging the unrest on british streets. it's led to calls for restrictions on social networks like x and messaging apps like telegram in times of crisis. others say the existing rules and some new ones due to come in next year are enough. that was the thrust of an open letter to platforms published this afternoon by the communications watchdog 0fcom.

and today a 32—year—old youtuber was convicted of spreading racial hatred after livestreaming a protest outside an asylum hotel at the weekend under a law from 1986. here's the warning earlier from the director of public prosecutions. if you engage in that activity then you can be prosecuted for the substantive offence that you have caused through what you have been doing using the internet, so we're looking both types. some people are abroad, that doesn't mean they are safe. so what is the right approach? let's talk again to ayesha, samuel and sir tom. i know you have got quite strong views, tom, about social media regulation and what companies can and can't do. it regulation and what companies can and can't do-_ and can't do. it isn't strong enough- — and can't do. it isn't strong enough. the _ and can't do. it isn't strong enough. the online - and can't do. it isn't strong enough. the online safety| and can't do. it isn't strong i enough. the online safety act and can't do. it isn't strong - enough. the online safety act goes some way but it doesn't impose personal criminal liability on the directors, the most senior managers and executives of these

organisations. they plead free speech but there is no free speech in saying let's go and kill someone, or let's burn somebody down, or burn a hotel down with people in it. those are crimes, they are incitements, in some cases incitements, in some cases incitement to murder. 0ne incitements, in some cases incitement to murder. one of the points i wanted to make earlier, because we are dealing now with violence against people, if people go ahead and effect this violence, they could be on charges not of stealing things or setting fire to them, they could be on charges of grievous bodily harm or even attempted murder. so the sentences this time round compared to 2011 could be very much longer. the social media companies need to take responsibility. i think they are publishers. if what appears on their platforms were to be published in a newspaper or broadcast by the bbc, then people would be going to jail and i think the same should apply.

does that need a change in the law? the online safety act does not go far enough? iflat the online safety act does not go far enough?— the online safety act does not go far enou~h? ., ., , ., ., far enough? not nearly far enough. are ou far enough? not nearly far enough. are you still— far enough? not nearly far enough. are you still on _ far enough? not nearly far enough. are you still on x _ far enough? not nearly far enough. are you still on x or _ far enough? not nearly far enough. are you still on x or are _ far enough? not nearly far enough. are you still on x or are you - far enough? not nearly far enough. are you still on x or are you in - are you still on x or are you in protest on it? i are you still on x or are you in protest on it?— are you still on x or are you in protest on it? i am still on it, but what was pretty _ protest on it? i am still on it, but what was pretty bad _ protest on it? i am still on it, but what was pretty bad has - protest on it? i am still on it, but what was pretty bad has become| protest on it? i am still on it, but i what was pretty bad has become an absolute _ what was pretty bad has become an absolute sewer of racism, misogyny and disinformation.— and disinformation. which he would call free speech. _ and disinformation. which he would call free speech. i— and disinformation. which he would call free speech. i have _ and disinformation. which he would call free speech. i have a _ and disinformation. which he would call free speech. i have a very - call free speech. i have a very different view _ call free speech. i have a very different view to _ call free speech. i have a very different view to that - call free speech. i have a very different view to that and - call free speech. i have a very different view to that and he i call free speech. i have a very| different view to that and he is somebody who is a big part of the story _ somebody who is a big part of the story you — somebody who is a big part of the story. you can't have it every which way _ story. you can't have it every which way i_ story. you can't have it every which way. i completely agree with you, these _ way. i completely agree with you, these people are just not passive providers— these people are just not passive providers of information, they are really— providers of information, they are really powerful platforms. they can't _ really powerful platforms. they can't have it every which way. on the one _ can't have it every which way. on the one hand the platforms bring in hu-e the one hand the platforms bring in huge amounts of money and on the other— huge amounts of money and on the other hand — huge amounts of money and on the other hand they say we have got no responsibility. you cannot have it every— responsibility. you cannot have it every which way. we have now got to a point _ every which way. we have now got to a point which, let's be honest,

social— a point which, let's be honest, social media is overtaking traditional newspapers, media, television, as great as newsnight is~~ _ television, as great as newsnight is... . television, as great as newsnight is... , ., ., is... the viewing figures are going u -. is... the viewing figures are going up- absolutely- — is... the viewing figures are going up. absolutely. people _ is... the viewing figures are going up. absolutely. people are - is... the viewing figures are going | up. absolutely. people are getting their information _ up. absolutely. people are getting their information more _ up. absolutely. people are getting their information more and - up. absolutely. people are getting their information more and more i up. absolutely. people are getting - their information more and more from social— their information more and more from social media _ their information more and more from social media and are getting disinformation. these are really important — disinformation. these are really important players in the sphere of information. the idea that they can 'ust information. the idea that they can just claim _ information. the idea that they can just claim a... to either hide behind— just claim a... to either hide behind free speech where it is not, it is often— behind free speech where it is not, it is often incitement and misinformation, orthey it is often incitement and misinformation, or they plead they have nothing to do and they are not benefiting — have nothing to do and they are not benefiting. it is a really important powerful — benefiting. it is a really important powerful player. quite frankly, the corrosive _ powerful player. quite frankly, the corrosive effect that elon musk has had in _ corrosive effect that elon musk has had in the — corrosive effect that elon musk has had in the public space, he is not there _ had in the public space, he is not there are — had in the public space, he is not there are somebody who is there to promote _ there are somebody who is there to promote lots of ideas, he has massive — promote lots of ideas, he has massive skin in this game. he is now actively— massive skin in this game. he is now actively pushing his own ideology, his own _ actively pushing his own ideology, his own view of the world. he is trying _ his own view of the world. he is trying to— his own view of the world. he is trying to infect and manipulate american — trying to infect and manipulate american politics. the idea he is an innocent. _ american politics. the idea he is an

innocent, passive provider of information is for the birds. elon musk has had — information is for the birds. elon musk has had quite _ information is for the birds. elan musk has had quite a personal go at keir starmer and keir starmer didn't take him on, but may be a good thing to do would be to boycott any content on x. late to do would be to boycott any content on x.— to do would be to boycott any content on x. ~ ., , , .,~ content on x. we heard robin speak about extremism. _ content on x. we heard robin speak about extremism. one _ content on x. we heard robin speak about extremism. one of— content on x. we heard robin speak about extremism. one of the - content on x. we heard robin speak about extremism. one of the main i content on x. we heard robin speak i about extremism. one of the main key about extremism. 0ne of the main key drivers— about extremism. one of the main key drivers or— about extremism. one of the main key drivers or breeding _ about extremism. 0ne of the main key drivers or breeding grounds— about extremism. 0ne of the main key drivers or breeding grounds of- drivers or breeding grounds of extremism _ drivers or breeding grounds of extremism is _ drivers or breeding grounds of extremism is when _ drivers or breeding grounds of extremism is when you - drivers or breeding grounds of extremism is when you have i extremism is when you have individuals— extremism is when you have individuals who _ extremism is when you have individuals who are - extremism is when you have individuals who are isolated. extremism is when you have - individuals who are isolated. when you have _ individuals who are isolated. when you have individuals— individuals who are isolated. when you have individuals in— individuals who are isolated. when you have individuals in isolation. you have individuals in isolation for whatever _ you have individuals in isolation for whatever reason _ you have individuals in isolation for whatever reason and - you have individuals in isolation for whatever reason and they i you have individuals in isolation. for whatever reason and they find themselves — for whatever reason and they find themselves in— for whatever reason and they find themselves in an _ for whatever reason and they find themselves in an echo _ for whatever reason and they find themselves in an echo chamber. for whatever reason and they find | themselves in an echo chamber of social— themselves in an echo chamber of social media. _ themselves in an echo chamber of social media, they— themselves in an echo chamber of social media, they make - themselves in an echo chamber ofl social media, they make poisonous conclusions — social media, they make poisonous conclusions in— social media, they make poisonous conclusions. in downing _ social media, they make poisonous conclusions. in downing street - social media, they make poisonous conclusions. in downing street wel conclusions. in downing street we had this— conclusions. in downing street we had this rapid _ conclusions. in downing street we had this rapid response _ conclusions. in downing street we had this rapid response unit - conclusions. in downing street we had this rapid response unit in - conclusions. in downing street we had this rapid response unit in the cabinet _ had this rapid response unit in the cabinet office _ had this rapid response unit in the cabinet office and _ had this rapid response unit in the cabinet office and we _ had this rapid response unit in the cabinet office and we used - had this rapid response unit in the cabinet office and we used it - had this rapid response unit in the cabinet office and we used it to i cabinet 0ffice and we used it to rebuff— cabinet office and we used it to rebuff misinformation - cabinet office and we used it to rebuff misinformation about. cabinet office and we used it to - rebuff misinformation about covid—19 and the _ rebuff misinformation about covid—19 and the vaccines, _ rebuff misinformation about covid—19 and the vaccines, etc. _ rebuff misinformation about covid—19 and the vaccines, etc. even _ rebuff misinformation about covid—19 and the vaccines, etc. even then - rebuff misinformation about covid—19 and the vaccines, etc. even then it- and the vaccines, etc. even then it was very— and the vaccines, etc. even then it was very clear _ and the vaccines, etc. even then it was very clear we _ and the vaccines, etc. even then it was very clear we could _ and the vaccines, etc. even then it was very clear we could only - and the vaccines, etc. even then it was very clear we could only do i and the vaccines, etc. even then it was very clear we could only do soj was very clear we could only do so much _ was very clear we could only do so much and — was very clear we could only do so much and social— was very clear we could only do so much and social media _ was very clear we could only do so much and social media companiesj was very clear we could only do so - much and social media companies had to take _ much and social media companies had to take more — much and social media companies had to take more responsibility— much and social media companies had to take more responsibility for- much and social media companies had to take more responsibility for the - to take more responsibility for the things— to take more responsibility for the things that — to take more responsibility for the things that happen _ to take more responsibility for the things that happen on _ to take more responsibility for the things that happen on their - things that happen on their platforms _ things that happen on their platforms. to _ things that happen on their platforms. to answer- things that happen on their platforms. to answer yourl things that happen on their - platforms. to answer your point around — platforms. to answer your point around elon—

platforms. to answer your point around elon musk— platforms. to answer your point around elon musk and - platforms. to answer your point around elon musk and keir- platforms. to answer your point - around elon musk and keir starmer, i think keir_ around elon musk and keir starmer, i think keir starmer— around elon musk and keir starmer, i think keir starmer is— around elon musk and keir starmer, i think keir starmer is our— around elon musk and keir starmer, i think keir starmer is our credible - think keir starmer is our credible prime _ think keir starmer is our credible prime minister— think keir starmer is our credible prime ministerand _ think keir starmer is our credible prime minister and he _ think keir starmer is our credible prime minister and he won- think keir starmer is our credible prime minister and he won a - think keir starmer is our credible j prime minister and he won a free think keir starmer is our credible - prime minister and he won a free and fair election— prime minister and he won a free and fair election and _ prime minister and he won a free and fair election and we _ prime minister and he won a free and fair election and we should _ prime minister and he won a free and fair election and we should be - fair election and we should be concern — fair election and we should be concern when _ fair election and we should be concern when someone - fair election and we should be concern when someone like i fair election and we should be i concern when someone like elon fair election and we should be - concern when someone like elon musk feels like _ concern when someone like elon musk feels like he _ concern when someone like elon musk feels like he has _ concern when someone like elon musk feels like he has the _ concern when someone like elon musk feels like he has the licence _ concern when someone like elon musk feels like he has the licence to - feels like he has the licence to attack — feels like he has the licence to attack our— feels like he has the licence to attack our prime _ feels like he has the licence to attack our prime minister, - attack our prime minister, especially— attack our prime minister, especially someone - attack our prime minister, especially someone who i attack our prime minister, - especially someone who owns a platform — especially someone who owns a platform that _ especially someone who owns a platform that is _ especially someone who owns a platform that is so _ especially someone who owns a platform that is so powerful. ii platform that is so powerful. i think— platform that is so powerful. i think we — platform that is so powerful. i think we should _ platform that is so powerful. i think we should all— platform that is so powerful. i think we should all be - platform that is so powerful. i. think we should all be concerned platform that is so powerful. i- think we should all be concerned and we shouldn't— think we should all be concerned and we shouldn't stand _ think we should all be concerned and we shouldn't stand for _ think we should all be concerned and we shouldn't stand for it. _ think we should all be concerned and we shouldn't stand for it. if- think we should all be concerned and we shouldn't stand for it.— we shouldn't stand for it. if you not our we shouldn't stand for it. if you got your way — we shouldn't stand for it. if you got your way and _ we shouldn't stand for it. if you got your way and you _ we shouldn't stand for it. if you got your way and you got - we shouldn't stand for it. if you got your way and you got your. we shouldn't stand for it. if you i got your way and you got your new law, would keir starmer be prosecuting elon musk tonight? if he committed an _ prosecuting elon musk tonight? if ia: committed an offence, yes. prosecuting elon musk tonight? if “ia: committed an offence, yes. these platforms are now part of public infrastructure and they have public interest responsibilities. mr; interest responsibilities. my re . ular interest responsibilities. my regular platform is my dayjob, presenting newscast. and tomorrow on newscast we'll be doing a q&a about the riots. if you have any questions for our correspondents do send them to me and the newscast team.

and you'll be able to listen on bbc sounds tomorrow evening. there ends the plug. the smashed shop windows will be replaced. the burnt out cars will be towed away. the sentences will be served. but what happens to the deep divisions revealed by the last eight days of violence? here's someone with some ideas. injune 2020 patrick hutchinson went to provide security for activists from the black lives matter movement. he ended up helping a guy who'd been protesting against them. the image of him giving a fireman's lift to an opponent flashed around the world. and patrick is here to give us all a bit of a lift right now. hello, patrick. thank you for having me. hello, patrick. thank you for having me- thank — hello, patrick. thank you for having me- thank you _ hello, patrick. thank you for having me. thank you for _ hello, patrick. thank you for having me. thank you for coming - hello, patrick. thank you for having me. thank you for coming on. - hello, patrick. thank you for having me. thank you for coming on. four| me. thank you for coming on. four years ago was a long time ago. talk us through the image again and why it was so powerful for you. yes. us through the image again and why it was so powerful for you.— it was so powerful for you. yes, to co it was so powerful for you. yes, to to back it was so powerful for you. yes, to go back to — it was so powerful for you. yes, to go back to that _ it was so powerful for you. yes, to go back to that day, _

it was so powerful for you. yes, to go back to that day, obviously - it was so powerful for you. yes, to go back to that day, obviously it i go back to that day, obviously it was not expected the person i ended up was not expected the person i ended up protecting, but we went down there to support and be overseers for the younger, more volatile demonstrators, to make sure that they didn't do anything they shouldn't do. in the end we ended up protecting one of the opposing demonstrators and it was basically an altercation taking place between the far right demonstrators and the blm demonstrators and the far right quys blm demonstrators and the far right guys got outnumbered and they left this one guy pedalling around, intoxicated, partially concussed and he didn't know where he was in this rastafarian gentleman, i will never forget him, try to help him down the stairs. this all took place in next to the royal festival hall, and they try to help him over to the police but unfortunately the blm demonstrators caught wind of what was happening and they descended on him very quickly and then my friends and i rushed over, pulling people out of the way frantically, and i

saw him there and i stooped down and i put him on my shoulder and carried him to the police. i i put him on my shoulder and carried him to the police.— him to the police. i should say you are a personal _ him to the police. i should say you are a personal trainer— him to the police. i should say you are a personal trainer which - him to the police. i should say you are a personal trainer which is - him to the police. i should say you are a personal trainer which is why you were able to pick him up like that. ,., ., you were able to pick him up like that, , ., . . , , you were able to pick him up like that. ., ., , , , ., , you were able to pick him up like that. ., ., , , , ., that. personal and plenty squats on the bridges of _ that. personal and plenty squats on the bridges of london. _ that. personal and plenty squats on the bridges of london. is _ that. personal and plenty squats on the bridges of london. is there - the bridges of london. is there an hint the bridges of london. is there anything more _ the bridges of london. is there anything more that _ the bridges of london. is there anything more that we - the bridges of london. is there anything more that we can - the bridges of london. is therej anything more that we can pick the bridges of london. is there i anything more that we can pick up from that picture? it is anything more that we can pick up from that picture?— from that picture? it is one of solidarity- _ from that picture? it is one of solidarity. after _ from that picture? it is one of solidarity. after this - from that picture? it is one of solidarity. after this evening i from that picture? it is one of| solidarity. after this evening it has been quite refreshing to see all of the communities up and down the country turn out in their thousands. walthamstow looked amazing, a few thousand there. this is what it is about. it is about the diversity, we should be celebrating one another, we should support one another. it is about that and we need to see more of it. ., ., ., of it. you are right about the metaphor — of it. you are right about the metaphor going _ of it. you are right about the metaphor going to _ of it. you are right about the metaphor going to the - of it. you are right about the metaphor going to the gym i of it. you are right about the - metaphor going to the gym because of fighting the stuff in society, it seems you have to do a constant worker, it is not one moment and it is solved and everyone could live happily ever after. would you agree with my interpretation? yes.

happily ever after. would you agree with my interpretation?— with my interpretation? yes, i auree. a with my interpretation? yes, i agree- a lot — with my interpretation? yes, i agree. a lot of _ with my interpretation? yes, i agree. a lot of people - with my interpretation? yes, i j agree. a lot of people thought with my interpretation? yes, i - agree. a lot of people thought that image would be a catalyst and change our society will stop you never saw the guy again. in our society will stop you never saw the guy again-— our society will stop you never saw the guy again. in the movie version ou would the guy again. in the movie version you would be _ the guy again. in the movie version you would be best _ the guy again. in the movie version you would be best mates. - the guy again. in the movie version you would be best mates. no, - the guy again. in the movie version you would be best mates. no, we i the guy again. in the movie version - you would be best mates. no, we have never spoken — you would be best mates. no, we have never spoken ever. _ you would be best mates. no, we have never spoken ever. take _ you would be best mates. no, we have never spoken ever. take from - you would be best mates. no, we have never spoken ever. take from that - never spoken ever. take from that what you will. never spoken ever. take from that what you will-— never spoken ever. take from that what you will. what is so important about this. — what you will. what is so important about this, that _ what you will. what is so important about this, that picture _ what you will. what is so important about this, that picture is _ what you will. what is so important about this, that picture is such - what you will. what is so important about this, that picture is such a i about this, that picture is such a powerful— about this, that picture is such a powerful optic. so many of us are taken _ powerful optic. so many of us are taken back— powerful optic. so many of us are taken back looking at the optic. there _ taken back looking at the optic. there are — taken back looking at the optic. there are two types of britain here. there _ there are two types of britain here. there is— there are two types of britain here. there is patrick's version of britain. _ there is patrick's version of britain, looking out for people, and that is— britain, looking out for people, and that is where the silent majority is. that is where the silent majority is we _ that is where the silent majority is. we probably have different political— is. we probably have different political persuasions, but that is the britain we won and the britain most _ the britain we won and the britain most people want. or you can have a nigel— most people want. or you can have a nigel farage view of britain, where you feast _ nigel farage view of britain, where you feast of the problem is, the deep—seated, structural problems and samuel— deep—seated, structural problems and samuel is— deep—seated, structural problems and samuel is right, there are lots of reasons— samuel is right, there are lots of reasons why people have different views. _ reasons why people have different views, there are reasons for people being _ views, there are reasons for people being upset. and you feed of those divisions— being upset. and you feed of those divisions and you pick people against — divisions and you pick people against each other. we are at a time

when _