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category to factor that is present, and they have to do with the significant resulting injury and fear and distress, and the serious disruption on the community and impact. three years imprisonment with a range up to four years. in your case, there are significant aggravating features which have not already been taken into account, and which justify a substantial upward adjustment in the starting sentence. you have a previous conviction for offensive violence. more significantly, you were a part of a crowd using obviously racist and religiously intolerant language which was demonstrating quite deliberately outside a mosque. you were an active and persistent participant. this combination of factors takes the sentence in my
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judgment to the top of the relevant bracket. d—link next review, william nelson morgan, you are 69 years of age, now. you're advancing years plainly didn't prevent you from playing and acting part at the disturbance on county road. you were a part of a crowd of about 100 people who were running amok, setting fire to bins, damaging local property, including a community hub and library containing a food bank, and library containing a food bank, and provided an important resource for the people living in that area. that library and hub —based at meadow lane. the crowd threw bricks at night and bottles. bins were set on fire, and 80 were hurled at the defending police officers. as the officers were trying to regain control, you were seen at the front
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of the mob holding in your hand a wooden cosh, a small truncheon which she plainly had with you to use as a weapon. when officers tried to arrest you, he resisted with such force that it took three of them to detain you. later, when asked about the cosh, you said: remarkably, you had taken it with you that night for your own protection. for the same reasons as your co—accused, i am satisfied that this is category b one offending. there is no suggestion the incidents in malton were racially or religiously aggravated, and there may not have been as many people present, but there was looting of commercial premises —— mac walton. there was the wanton attempt to destroy the local library and community hub, and many more fireworks were thrown at the police. in your case, there was
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a serious aggravating factor that you were in possession of a weapon, the cosh, which i'm sure that you had with you to use to cause injury if the opportunity should arise. it was visible when you were confronting the officers at a time when there was serious public disorder. that factor, together with the other aggravating factors again it justifies a the other aggravating factors again itjustifies a significant upward adjustment from the starting point, and because of the factor of that weapon, in myjudgment, it takes your offending beyond the top of that relevant bracket. because i am taking the weapon events into account in that way, the sentence for that offence will be ordered to run concurrently rather than it consecutively as might otherwise have been the case. in terms of mitigation, you have no previous convictions at all, and it is very sad indeed to see somebody of your
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age and character in the dock at the crown court. that good character is something that i must reflect to something that i must reflect to some extent, in terms of assessing the overall sentence, and the sentence i will pass will reflect it. but, the weight to be attached to such mitigation can only be limited given the need in all of these cases for appropriate punishment and deterrence. i impose on both of your cases and statutory surcharge on whatever is the appropriate amount, and i make a collection order. the sentences that i'm about windows have been reduced by one third to reflect your pleas of guilty. you will both serve up to one half of those sentences in custody before you are released on licence. if you fail to abide by the conditions of your licenses, you can be returned to serve some or all of the remainder of those sentences.
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will you both now stand up? in your case, john 0'malley, for the offence of violent disorder, the sentences 32 months imprisonment. in your case, william nelson morgan, for the offence of violent disorder, the sentence is also 32 months imprisonment. that sentence is intended to reflect that offence and the associated offence of possession an offensive weapon. for the associated offence, there will be a concurrent sentence of six months imprisonment, reflecting as i have the totality will stop the total sentences therefore one of 32 months imprisonment, in your case. because of the processing after weapon, i am satisfied it is necessary to make a serious violence reduction in order to protect the public from future harm. it will last for a period of two years, and will not take effect until you are released from custody. those are the sentences of this
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court. you may now both go with the officers. studio: you are alive with bbc news. that is the conclusion of the sentencing remarks byjudge andrew min re at liverpool crown court for the two individuals involved in the recent disorder. let us speak to our correspondent, dominic casciani who is outside the court. dominic, your reaction to those sentences? weill. reaction to those sentences? well, this is becoming _ reaction to those sentences? well, this is becoming the _ reaction to those sentences? well, this is becoming the pattern, - reaction to those sentences? -ii this is becoming the pattern, this no—nonsense from the judge. for some five people were convicted so far over the last few days. all of the sentences so far pretty lengthy. 32 months, just over two and half years was the sentence for these men. if
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anything, thejudge hopes that was the sentence for these men. if anything, the judge hopes that will send a serious message. these sentences are notjust individual punishment, but acting as a deterrent to anybody else thinking about coming out and writing. this is the way that they will be dealt with. i was in court before the judge began the sentencing comments in the last five minutes, and looking at william nelson morgan, the elder of the two defendants, he is 69, he looks broken in the dock. he is a man who has not had any previous convictions, he is a retired welder, and a widower. now, at the age of 69, very unusual, he is going to prison. he will potentially not leave prison until he is 71 passes 72nd birthday depending on when that is. that is quite hard thing for a man of his age to deal with. i think that is the message of the judge wants to send:in the message of the judge wants to send: in every one of these cases, if you are there and are part of the violence, you will be dealt with severely. this morning we also saw
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the footage of both of men, the first man, john o'malley, from southport, the footage was quite extraordinary. he was in the middle of a 1000 strong mob which descended on the town last tuesday and there is clear footage of him right on the town last tuesday and there is clearfootage of him right in on the town last tuesday and there is clear footage of him right in the thick of the action where you have the far right activists trying to rip up police vehicles. he is close to a point where a bumper is torn off of a police van to throw at the police. there is pain to being there and everywhere, wheelie bins being thrown, bricks as walls were demolished. the prosecutor said that he was there right at the heart of it. he cannot escape his culpability. a slightly different situation with william nelson morgan, he was in the walton area of liverpool and went out carrying a cosh, effectively a wooden bat on. the judge, cosh, effectively a wooden bat on. thejudge, and his sentencing, said that there was no evidence of a racial motive for why he was on the street. it is a bit of a mystery why
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he went out there. certainly, he was there during the looting and at the time, in that part of the city, the library and food bank, really important parts of the community activity to support itself in this part of liverpool, it was totally destroyed. it took three officers to subdue this 69—year—old man. the footage which i am hoping we will be able to show later in the day was quite extraordinary. he has wrestled to the ground, he is not a big man, quite a slight man, and he has three officers in riot gear wrestling him to the ground. they try to get him to the ground. they try to get him to calm down, they are telling him to calm down, they are telling him to bend his legs, to sit on his backside, to calm down. they say to him: why are you here? he says: i am english, i am him: why are you here? he says: i am english, iam english. eventually, he does subdue himself and calm down. it is only then that i think gravity started to feel the gravity of what he had done. the defence counsel for both men circuit in the last couple of days after they
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admitted their grounds that they have admitted what they have done and have both wanted to express remorse to the people of southport and the people of liverpool, but also to the police the imagination is. i think that is significant, because that is a sign that this is beginning to hit home with some of these man who so far have been convicted. remorse, but from the judge, not a great deal of mercy. a clear sign that you are going to make prison. that is a message he wants to send to any coming his way. this is the second day of sentencing we are seeing at liverpool crown court. do we have a sense of the impact of these quite severe sentences? i impact of these quite severe sentences?— impact of these quite severe sentences? ~ , ., ., , sentences? i think it is going to be hard to tell — sentences? i think it is going to be hard to tell at _ sentences? i think it is going to be hard to tell at this _ sentences? i think it is going to be hard to tell at this early _ sentences? i think it is going to be hard to tell at this early stage. - sentences? i think it is going to be hard to tell at this early stage. i i hard to tell at this early stage. i think that is why this is important, communities all over the uk have been gripped and scared by the violence which has been taking place. focusing on what is happening at the moment, these sentences show
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the wheels ofjustice moving increasingly swiftly to push people through the system. the prime minister, sir keir starmer said that this is what he wants to see, one of the lessons learned from the riots in 2011 in the uk. the faster you can get people through the courts, the faster you send a message to would—be troublemakers that there is going to be no—nonsense, that he will be brought to justice. going to be no—nonsense, that he will be brought tojustice. so, i think the important thing is that quite often the courts take a long time to deal with people. we have historical unprecedented backlogs in the uk, they can take months or years to come to court. these have been expedited. in the cases of these two men, they were not going to be sentenced until the end of the month that the seniorjudge he said: i want to bring forward these cases. he clearly understood and wanted to make an example of these cases. we have two more being sentenced by anotherjudge in liverpool here later today. the hope is that the message begins to be sent. in terms of the numbers, 140 were charged so
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far by prosecutors across the country. hundreds more to come. around 400 people have been arrested so far. we are working on the basis that almost all of them may be charged or brought to court. we don't know the final figure, this is really the beginning of a long journey through the court. hopefully, the impact of the last couple of days is the message that everyone wants to see taking place. and dominic, wejust want everyone wants to see taking place. and dominic, we just want to everyone wants to see taking place. and dominic, wejust want to bring the viewer is a statement coming in from the prime minister. he said: the reason the disorder did not materialise last night was because we had police deployed in numbers in the right places. have a listen. so anachronistic, why did what the police feared not happened last night? —— macro minister. i police feared not happened last night? -- macro minister. ithink that last night — night? -- macro minister. ithink that last night of _ night? -- macro minister. ithink that last night of the _ night? -- macro minister. ithink that last night of the reason - night? -- macro minister. ithink that last night of the reason we l night? -- macro minister. ithink. that last night of the reason we did not see the situations we cleared was because we had the police deployed on the right numbers in the right places, giving reassurance. we could demonstrate ourjustice system works speedily. you saw yesterday
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the sentencing of individuals who had been involved in the disorder days ago, somebody getting sentenced for as long as three years. that is a very powerful message. i also think the work being done jointly to reassure citizens is becoming more effective. it is important we don't let up, that is why later on today i will have another cobra meeting with law enforcement and with senior police officers, making sure we reflect on our side and plan for the coming days. reflect on our side and plan for the coming dam-— reflect on our side and plan for the coming days. things may have died down, but coming days. things may have died down. but we _ coming days. things may have died down, but we have _ coming days. things may have died down, but we have seen _ coming days. things may have died down, but we have seen violent - down, but we have seen violent scenes — down, but we have seen violent scenes and _ down, but we have seen violent scenes and writes for the best part of the _ scenes and writes for the best part of the week. looking across the policing — of the week. looking across the policing and government, would you say that _ policing and government, would you say that this has been a success? what _ say that this has been a success? what are — say that this has been a success? what are the things that you have learned? — what are the things that you have learned? what would the government to do differently in future? the most important _ to do differently in future? tie: most important lesson is for those involved in the disorder. what we have seen is that those being arrested are outnumbered in their hundreds and have been charged. some are already in court. now, the
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number of individuals sentenced to imprisonment terms. that is an important message for those involved in the disorder. i said again: anybody involving themselves in disorder, whatever they claim as their motive, will feel the full force of the law. it is important to say that and repeat that. we need to ensure that in the coming days, we can give the necessary reassurance to the people, many of whom i have spoken to this morning and are very anxious about the situation. if we have turned _ anxious about the situation. if we have turned a _ anxious about the situation. if we have turned a corner _ anxious about the situation. if we have turned a corner and - anxious about the situation. if we have turned a corner and seen an end to the _ have turned a corner and seen an end to the violence? is now the time to engage _ to the violence? is now the time to engage with the tensions and communities over the issue of immigration?— communities over the issue of immigration? the first priority is safe and immigration? the first priority is safety and security _ immigration? the first priority is safety and security for _ immigration? the first priority is safety and security for our - safety and security for our communities. yes, last night was much better than expected, but we are not going to give up on our efforts. that is why it is important to continue my discussions
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coordinating with law enforcement and police leaders to ensure that we have the right offices in the right places and to keep pushing on the criminaljustice response. i was keen that we could demonstrate that if you are involved in disorder, within days, you will be in the criminaljustice within days, you will be in the criminal justice system. within days, you will be in the criminaljustice system. people are starting long terms of imprisonment. that must continue. that is my sole focus. thank you. that was the prime minister reacting to the police operations that happened across the country last night. just a reminder of the news in the last few minutes that we have had coming in from liverpool crown courts, where two men who have been involved in the recent violence in the area have been sentenced to 32 months in prison. the men arejohn o'malley and william moore again. that was news coming in from liverpool crown court. two men, the
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