to be hopeful optimistic and to be hopeful that the police will deliver justice. but i don't know whether that is going to happen. it whether that is going to happen-— whether that is going to ha en. . , , ., happen. it was interesting to hear the prime _ happen. it was interesting to hear the prime minister - happen. it was interesting to hear the prime minister say l hear the prime minister say earlier in the house of commons that he understood that everyone closely affected by what happened it grenfell think that they might be about to be let down again. did you feel that he got what you had gone through, what you are going through? speech today we have been busy talking to people like yourselves and look, i welcome any sort of actions that he wants to enforce to move forward with making sure that obviously this never happens again. he mentioned today that he was going to remove organisations like arconic and

others saying from getting procurement work in the uk, i strongly believe it could even go a bit further. some of these organisations like arconic are advising not only our government but other governments across the world and how to build safer and greener and more efficient arms and i think we should be listening to these guys for advice about building safe homes. at all. they clearly demonstrated that they did not care about their role to safety, they systematically and dishonestly pushed for their materials to be put not only ungrateful but across buildings all across the country and we haven't done enough. it's been seven years, there was a fire today, there was a fire last week in dagenham, it's going to keep happening, people are not safe and we've not done enough. so, look, iwelcome safe and we've not done enough. so, look, i welcome and safe and we've not done enough. so, look, iwelcome and i safe and we've not done enough. so, look, i welcome and i glad that he is starting to make strong comments about this but

for me, it is very easy to stray beatings. the her did over the last seven years, we've spoken with so many different different secretary of state and mps and politicians who have and we still haven't seen anything. i know this is a new government, and others is a new premise, and others is a new premise, and others is a new premise, and other things doesn't happen overnight but the real proof will be in the work that happens afterwards. not the speech is that are made when the cameras are on.— speech is that are made when the cameras are on. thank you very much for your _ the cameras are on. thank you very much for your time - the cameras are on. thank youj very much for your time today, a survivor of the grenfell fire. interesting to reflect on what some of those companies that he was talking about are seeing, arconic which is the manufacturer of the acm, the companies that he was mentioning arconic connex say that they were the manufacturers of the things,

that the cladding is safe, that was at aluminium composite cladding, acm, also can span and sell attacks, they recognise the role that they played and they are working with the that was our guest speaker from west london. it was the worst disaster of its kind in modern british history, today, more than seven years on, the public inquiry into the fire that destroyed grenfell tower has published its final report. the blaze injune 2017 was the result of decades of failure valued by successive governments, by the systematic dishonesty as it was put up cladding and international companies and by a lack of strategy from the fire service. it was a path to disaster that ended on 72 people losing their lives. the inquiry found that all of their deaths were avoidable. speaking in

parliament, prime minister sir keir starmer apologised on behalf of the state saying that there will be radical action to ensure such disasters could never happen again. representatives of the bereaved and survivors said they had been failed by greed, corruption and negligence. while today's 1700 page document provides significant answers, there are still deep angerfrom families who answers, there are still deep anger from families who say they have endured a seven year delay to justice. today, they have endured a seven year delay tojustice. today, we they have endured a seven year delay to justice. today, we are looking in depth of those conclusions and the impact it could have a public safety. first, our correspondent reports on this final phase of the landmark inquiry. it is seven years. _ questions which today finally been answered.

it concludes... the fire was the result of decades of failure by governments, and the construction industry, stretching back to the 1990s. the simple truth is that the deaths that occurred were all avoidable, and those who lived in the tower were badly failed, over a number of years, and in a number of different ways, by those who were responsible for ensuring the safety of the building and its occupants. grenfell tower was refurbished in 2016. it was covered in insulation and cladding, the grey panels seen here. the cladding was by far the largest contributor to the fire. the inquiry says its makers knew it was, stubble, and were engaged in what it calls "systematic dishonesty". the inquiry found faults with the companies that produced the insulation used in the refurbishment, saying both made misleading claims about their products. the web of companies

and organisations that oversaw the refurbishment are also criticised, the architects, contractors and subcontractors all share responsibility, it says, in what the inquiry because an unedifying merry—go—round of buckpassing. there had been previous warnings that cladding used on high—rise blocks was dangerous. a fire in south london in 2009 killed six people. a decade earlier a fire swept through a tower block in north ayrshire. the inquiry says there were many opportunities to take action. when the coalition government came in, in 2010, ministers were told to cut red tape to free up business. the inquiry says this dominated thinking to such an extent that even matters affecting safety of life were ignored, delayed or disregarded. the fire service is also criticised as complacent for not planning and training

for high—rise fires and for not changing its stay put policy sooner. for the families and survivors of grenfell tower, the inquiry paints a complex picture of collective failure every level. human life was never a priority and we lost friends, neighbours and loved ones in the most horrific way, through greed, corruption, incompetence and negligence. the recommendations published today are basic safety principles that should already exist. 0n railings at the foot of the tower, the names of the 72 people who were killed. still, no—one has been held responsible for their deaths. 72 innocent people killed by incompetence, dishonesty and greed. and still, the wait forjustice goes on. graham satchell, bbc news.

in the shadow of grenfell tower. at home ended editor mark easton. thanks for being back with me. it's been a very intense day listening to all of the detail from the intense day listening to all of the detailfrom the inquiry hearing from the survivors, the bereaved, the grenfell committee. i was talking a little earlier to a lawyer representing some of the families and he said to me, i think that grenfell will be the one that changes things. because everyone feels it here, and it is hard, everyone was watching notjust here in the uk around the world. do you think this is going to be the disaster that actually changes the attitudes towards safety? in some ways i think it already has changed attitudes towards safety, it had to act of parliament building safety act, the sapphire city act both of which are absolutely designed to blocks like rental tower

with that kind of tragedy cannot happen again. but we have seen fires in tower blocks were things have not gone well. we saw the fire in dagenham, just a big, where there was cladding on the walls of the block which was known to be unsafe and still not been removed. there are i think 71% of buildings that are known to have dangerous cladding, the you are here at the tower in the early morni| cladding, fthe you are here at the tower in the early morni| cladding, the e have dangerous cladding, the work hasn't been completed. and work hasn't been completed. and half of them, it hasn't even half of them, it hasn't even been started. so, i think one been started. so, i think one really wants to believe that really wants to believe that this is a tragedy that will this is a tragedy that will change things and as i said change things and as i said there has been read legislation there has been read legislation letter that blacks there is letter that blacks there is some way to go. some way to go. there is a watershed moment. there is a watershed moment. you are here at the tower in you are here at the tower in the early morning of the of the the early morning of the of the

terrible events. the flames were still burning when you got here? what are your flexion seven years on from that? i4541431111 seven years on from that? well we're standing _ seven years on from that? well we're standing right _ seven years on from that? -ii we're standing right now is very poignant place me because in the week after the fire, i registered here reported live on the grenfell tragedy night after night and the building that we can see just then others he didn't have the tarpaulin at the points and it was glowing orange notjust the first notjust was glowing orange notjust the first not just the was glowing orange notjust the first notjust the second leg but for the night the night after night. it took so long just to get a fire under control. i remember, i have called this child whole now a black nail hammered into the conscience of the nation. i do think every time anyone in london knows, when you drive of the westway, it is there. at greenheart you can see now at

the top of the building. a reminder to anyone who is driving past, and building itself there are plans to try and demolish it in the next year or so but it's taken so long it's still there. it will be a memorial. . ., be a memorial. hammered into the heart of _ be a memorial. hammered into the heart of the _ be a memorial. hammered into the heart of the nation - be a memorial. hammered into the heart of the nation but - the heart of the nation but what it save of the nation that despite warnings, from similar fires, for many years prior to this, but those winnings when he did. i this, but those winnings when he did. ., this, but those winnings when he did. . , a this, but those winnings when hedid. . , _ ., he did. i am struck by what theresa — he did. i am struck by what theresa may _ he did. i am struck by what theresa may said _ he did. i am struck by what theresa may said the - he did. i am struck by what| theresa may said the house he did. i am struck by what. theresa may said the house of commons just a week after the fire, she said, there will be no hiding place for the guilty parties. she said that lessons will be learned and we will not wait ages for those lessons to be learned. and yet, as you say, we're seven years on, no sign of a never mind a conviction, a criminal conviction for anyone culpable for the dishonesty and agreed that the report today said were factors in the course of the

blaze. seven years without anyone appearing in court, i think that the families of the bereaved and for those survivors and the wider community, here in north kensington, it doesn't feel that we have gotjustice kensington, it doesn't feel that we have got justice for grenfell yet. i have to say, as somebody who was there, who has inevitably been personally affected by what i saw and felt in those days, the day itself in those days, the day itself in the days that followed, i think i personally share some of the frustration and anger that those promises which are made so soon one of the building was still glowing at night, have not been able to be fulfilled here and here we are, the building is still remained shrouded in tarpaulin. we haven't seen any kind of justice in terms of criminal charges or convictions. thank ou charges or convictions. thank you very _ charges or convictions. thank

you very much- _ charges or convictions. thank you very much. our— charges or convictions. thank you very much. our home - charges or convictions. thank - you very much. our home editor. well, a reporter has been speaking to nas police deputy assistant and the metropolitan police will take up the mantle if you like to to use that phrase, they are saying that they are going to look through every detail of this report that we have received today and mr cundy has been talking about the investigation. this mr cundy has been talking about the investigation.— the investigation. this is a hu . el the investigation. this is a hugely significant - the investigation. this is a i hugely significant milestone particularly for the bereaved and the _ particularly for the bereaved and the survivors of grenfell tower, — and the survivors of grenfell tower, my thoughts and thoughts of the _ tower, my thoughts and thoughts of the met police out with them following the publication of the report. so martin and the inquiry— the report. so martin and the inquiry have produced a report that has— inquiry have produced a report that has made it very clear, our— that has made it very clear, our investigation started in june — our investigation started in june 2017 and continues apace. the question of how confident am i_ the question of how confident am i that— the question of how confident am i that they will be justice for those _ am i that they will be justice for those who died, all those

affected _ for those who died, all those affected by grenfell tower, they — affected by grenfell tower, they have my and the whole team's _ they have my and the whole team's absolute commitment that we will_ team's absolute commitment that we will do — team's absolute commitment that we will do anything we can to secure — we will do anything we can to secure justice. we will do anything we can to securejustice. i we will do anything we can to secure justice. i can't sit here _ secure justice. i can't sit here and _ secure justice. i can't sit here and give a guarantee but so martin— here and give a guarantee but so martin and his inquiry findings— so martin and his inquiry findings are quite clear. 0ur 'ob findings are quite clear. 0ur job now— findings are quite clear. our job now with the report which is done — job now with the report which is done under a different legal framework, is to go through it line framework, is to go through it tine try— framework, is to go through it line by line, assess its impact on our— line by line, assess its impact on our criminal investigation, and _ on our criminal investigation, and presents the whole of the criminat— and presents the whole of the criminal to the crown prosecution service. to those who _ prosecution service. to those who are — prosecution service. to those who are able to listen to so martin— who are able to listen to so martin this morning announcing the publication report, they will hear— the publication report, they will hear he used the phrase that— will hear he used the phrase that the _ will hear he used the phrase that the grenfell tragedy was avoidable. 0ne that the grenfell tragedy was avoidable. one of the clear vented _ avoidable. one of the clear vented through our criminal investigation was that if it was — investigation was that if it was avoidable, why wasn't it

investigation was that if it was avoidable, w best sn't it evidence and the best possible case _ evidence and the best possible case to — evidence and the best possible case to the crown prosecution service — case to the crown prosecution service. ., , ., , ., service. can you give us an idea at all— service. can you give us an idea at all of— service. can you give us an idea at all of what - service. can you give us an idea at all of what kind - service. can you give us an idea at all of what kind of l idea at all of what kind of offence _ idea at all of what kind of offence as _ idea at all of what kind of offence as you _ idea at all of what kind of offence as you are - idea at all of what kind ofi offence as you are looking idea at all of what kind of - offence as you are looking at? our investigation _ offence as you are looking at? our investigation which - offence as you are looking at? | our investigation which started in 2017 is investigating some of the most serious offences. that includes corporate manslaughter which is against organisations and companies, it is investigating gross negligence manslaughter which is in relation to individuals, we are _ is in relation to individuals, we are investigating misconduct in public— we are investigating misconduct in public offices and some of the most _ in public offices and some of the most serious health and safety — the most serious health and safety offences and we will follow _ safety offences and we will follow the evidence wherever it may go — follow the evidence wherever it may go. we'll present a case to the crown— may go. we'll present a case to the crown prosecution service. i the crown prosecution service. i know — the crown prosecution service. i know for— the crown prosecution service. i know for the grenfell community— i know for the grenfell community for- i know for the grenfell community for those l i know for the grenfell- community for those bereaved and survivors, it's been a - community for those bereaved and survivors, it's been a long| and survivors, it's been a long time _ and survivors, it's been a long time coming _ and survivors, it's been a long time coming. there _ and survivors, it's been a long time coming. there is- and survivors, it's been a long time coming. there is still- and survivors, it's been a long time coming. there is still a l time coming. there is still a long — time coming. there is still a long way— time coming. there is still a long way to _ time coming. there is still a long way to go. _ time coming. there is still a long way to go, can- time coming. there is still a long way to go, can you - time coming. there is still a| long way to go, can you give time coming. there is still a i long way to go, can you give us a timeline — long way to go, can you give us a timeline of— long way to go, can you give us a timeline of the _ long way to go, can you give us a timeline of the we _ a timeline of the we are talking _ a timeline of the we are talking about _ a timeline of the we are talking about and - a timeline of the we are talking about and why. talking about and why that is, why it took so long _ talking about and why that is, why it took so long to - talking about and why that is, why it took so long to do - talking about and why that is, | why it took so long to do that? i why it took so long to do that? i recognise _ why it took so long to do that? i recognise that _ why it took so long to do that? i recognise that the _ why it took so long to do that? i recognise that the very- i recognise that the very lengthy criminal investigation

andindeed lengthy criminal investigation and indeed the public inquiry must — and indeed the public inquiry must have a significant impact on those — must have a significant impact on those affected, i cannot pretend _ on those affected, i cannot pretend to put myself in their shoes — pretend to put myself in their shoes. sitting here today, i think— shoes. sitting here today, i think it— shoes. sitting here today, i think it will take us a 12 to 18 months to conclude our criminal— 18 months to conclude our criminal investigation which includes _ criminal investigation which includes reviewing so martin's inquiry— includes reviewing so martin's inquiry report and the frantic way, — inquiry report and the frantic way, to— inquiry report and the frantic way, to establish do we need to read _ way, to establish do we need to read into— way, to establish do we need to read into people, to be need to approach — read into people, to be need to approach any further witnesses? in approach any further witnesses? in order— in order to present the evidence the crown prosecution service — evidence the crown prosecution service is _ evidence the crown prosecution service is— service is. jeremy now is a campaigner- _ service is. jeremy now is a campaigner. thank - service is. jeremy now is a campaigner. thank you - service is. jeremy now is a l campaigner. thank you very much. let me begin by asking you how you got involved in the campaigning of this city. we campaigning of this city. i've been campaigning _ campaigning of this city. is: been campaigning for the campaigning of this city. i�*2 been campaigning for the last four years now, just over three years, behalf of residents up and down the country because they are ignored by multiple agencies. i have myself lived

in temporary competition, experienced homelessness, i know what it's like first hand and the impact it had and now i go out there to help others. your thoughts on the second and final report, what you make of it? �* , ., , final report, what you make of it? , ., it? it's a complete damning indictment. _ it? it's a complete damning indictment, it _ it? it's a complete damning indictment, it highlights - it? it's a complete damning indictment, it highlights a l indictment, it highlights a dereliction of duty on behalf of the multiple agencies which tragically resulted in the lives of 72 individuals being robbed of them through no fault of their own. i think to the grenfell community it will, no surprise in terms of the names and organisations and individuals within this report, but, untilthis individuals within this report, but, until this point, sadly enough hasn't been done and another community would agree with me on that. seven years on, get people living still in unsafe homes and half a million people are going to bed tonight in the home still covered in cladding. seven years on, it is a shame and enough really hasn't been done up until this

point. hasn't been done up until this oint. ., ., point. today, we had the premise _ point. today, we had the premise to _ point. today, we had the premise to talk - point. today, we had the premise to talk about. point. today, we had the - premise to talk about working class people and people of colour being dismissed and ignored. is that the experience of the people you've spoken to in your campaigning?— of the people you've spoken to in your campaigning? when they have raised _ in your campaigning? when they have raised concerns? _ have raised concerns? absolutely and that is the reason why the company because they are ignored by multiple other agencies and let me real and honest about this, those was liz would be working class individuals, the majority people speak to like london led major cities happen to be from black and ethnic minority groups and they are ignored, i can name cases like the death of his family. the way they were treated and this is a regular occurrence. i sit up and down the country the way in which residents are dismissed, they looked at as second class citizens. and their lives continue to be at risk. when they do complain.— continue to be at risk. when they do complain. how do you unick they do complain. how do you unpick that? _ they do complain. how do you unpick that? how _ they do complain. how do you unpick that? how do - they do complain. how do you unpick that? how do you - they do complain. how do you unpick that? how do you pick| unpick that? how do you pick that attitude? patrick met and you have confidence that based

on what has happening today what the prime minister has said that this is going to be a turning point? it said that this is going to be a turning point?— turning point? it starts with chanauin turning point? it starts with changing our _ turning point? it starts with changing our foundations i turning point? it starts with i changing our foundations and thatis changing our foundations and that is a culture shift and attitude shift towards those living in social housing. expeued living in social housing. expelled had it been treated and still treated even now, residents even complaining todayis today is that residents had lived in grenfell prior to the fire, because the cultural shift that has to be led by government. we have to draw a line and set a precedent and say that individuals regardless of whether you are of an ethnic minority. your life is valuable as anyone else's. there has to be made clear by the government, by angela rayner, and until that happens until we change that culture, we can't build upon this foundation is, the foundations are broken and it is so deep—rooted and rotten within institutions. like local authorities, like housing associations, i see on a daily basis and the government needs to go much further in changing

that if things are good change. i can feel your anger,. we have to go to bed and slum —like conditions and unsafe homes having to pack a bag and put it ijy having to pack a bag and put it by the front door when work on —— they become the best grenfell. people are generally worried, there are upset, and seven years as an absolute disgrace, a lot more needs to be done. it disgrace, a lot more needs to be done. ., , disgrace, a lot more needs to be done-— disgrace, a lot more needs to be done. , . . ., be done. it has been amazing to see the power— be done. it has been amazing to see the power of _ be done. it has been amazing to see the power of the _ be done. it has been amazing to see the power of the grenfell i see the power of the grenfell community here mobilising into different groups and i will go through all the names, people are familiar with them, but there are different community groups that have mobilised in the wake of this fire, this disaster has pulled them into these groups to actually campaign for change. so, these groups to actually campaignfor change. so, people are finding their voices. absolutely and they need to use their voices because they should demand what it is that they deserve and the bare minimum every single individual

other than the country deserves a decent and safe home. i did want to make a point in regards to the report, i was like disappointed i know members of the community will be disappointed and it was two within the sector that further recommendations weren't, aren't being made towards providers because they mention the introduction of the bill which came into place last year. but, i believe the government needs to go further in strengthening backfill of the back of this and of the back of this report to make sure nothing like grenfell is ever allowed to happen again. because, they are talking the talk is saying all the right things but we've heard a lot of talk over the last seven years. right now, we have to be making sure that another grenfell, the situation where residents are in the homes, living in dangerous accommodation are having their loves taking away from the because of the condition of their homes have to stress that start of the government. that subtle changes from government and even though it's not in

this report, there is recommendations towards providers, the government need to go further. i providers, the government need to go further-— to go further. i don't know if ou've to go further. i don't know if you've touched _ to go further. i don't know if you've touched upon - to go further. i don't know if. you've touched upon personal emergency evacuations peeps, for short, and we know that people who died were people who needed these personal emergency evacuation plans in other words they had disabilities inability issues that meant that a needed specialist assistance to be able to leave a block in an emergency. we know that they didn't have those, the previous government said it was looking at an alternative, now labour is saying that it is reviewing this and it is going to introduce person centred evacuation plans. a separate step, the right direction? absolutely and i had to make the point it is disgraceful and shameful that the last government didn't implement that straightaway when it was first recommended. especially knowing family people died in grenfell, but had disabilities and i visited a tower block

only injanuary of this year, where there was a fire in wembley and i spoke to a disabled resident who was telling me when they realised it was happening because people outside the building was screaming at them, they had to be carried on the stairs by their neighbours otherwise they would have been left in their homes. there was no other way for them to escape. this is seven years on from grenfell, it's an absolute disgrace. the aaencies it's an absolute disgrace. the agencies there. _ it's an absolute disgrace. the agencies there. it _ it's an absolute disgrace. tt2 agencies there. it was a disgrace that wasn't amended earlier but i like it is now. the government is taking the right step on the right direction with that. thank you very much _ direction with that. thank you very much forjoining us. - direction with that. thank you i very much forjoining us. we've been getting more political reaction to today's inquiry report, here is the mayor of london. it report, here is the mayor of london. ., , . london. it was gut-wrenching readin: london. it was gut-wrenching reading the — london. it was gut-wrenching reading the report _ london. it was gut-wrenching reading the report today, - london. it was gut-wrenching reading the report today, and| reading the report today, and the report confirming inaudible were avoidable, 18

children lost their lives, 15 disabled residents lost their lives and the reason why they lost their lives is a combination of systemic dishonesty, corporate greed, institutional difference, neglect, and incompetence. that is why i join neglect, and incompetence. that is why ijoin the bereaved, the survivors and the residents, more than seven years on, that it is still possible for another tragedy to happen again. nobody has been held to account. in london, there are still some 1300 tower blocks that the london fire brigade still think i dangerous or unsafe. ., ., , , unsafe. how can that be seven ears unsafe. how can that be seven years on? _ unsafe. how can that be seven years on? l — unsafe. how can that be seven years on? i was _ unsafe. how can that be seven years on? i was speaking - unsafe. how can that be seven years on? i was speaking to i unsafe. how can that be sevenl years on? i was speaking to the fire commissioning yesterday he confirmed that, as this picture, there are more than 1300 buildings in london or residential buildings is unsafe. a combination of cladding or issue surrounding

staircases or evacuation lifts, in london, we have more than double the number of tall buildings and the rest of the country has put together. that is one of the reasons why i've been frustrated and angry of the lack of action over the last seven years because it back i welcome what turning point but finally we love people across the country to go to bed at night knowing they are in a safe. that isn't the case more than seven years on, thatis case more than seven years on, that is unacceptable. irate case more than seven years on, that is unacceptable.— that is unacceptable. we heard in the report — that is unacceptable. we heard in the report damning - that is unacceptable. we heard in the report damning criticism j in the report damning criticism of the companies involved and they deliberately concealed risks. what you think needs to happen to them?— happen to them? what is unacceptable _ happen to them? what is unacceptable as - happen to them? what is unacceptable as who - happen to them? what is l unacceptable as who make happen to them? what is - unacceptable as who make huge profits, systematically being dishonest, that is what the inquiry has said. because of their corporate greed, we know whether mps make insulation, whether mps make insulation,

whether company cladding or they still benefiting from contracts benefited by taxpayers. i'm calling on the government to ban any company name today in the report from doing any work whatsoever, whether the government, gla, the councils, with housing associations, it can't be right that companies name today are going to benefit from taxpayer contracts. ~ ., , going to benefit from taxpayer contracts. ~ . , , ., , contracts. what is your message to those companies _ contracts. what is your message to those companies because - contracts. what is your message to those companies because youj to those companies because you know they have been misleading people about the risks? what you want to say directly to them? ., ., ~ ~ you want to say directly to them? ,, ., , , ., them? look, i think anybody who -la ed a them? look, i think anybody who played a role in — them? look, i think anybody who played a role in systemic- played a role in systemic dishonesty, any buddy playing a role in corporate rate, anybody playing a run difference or neglect, or incompetence, must recognise they are responsible. we talk about that in the lives

lost in june we talk about that in the lives lost injune11i. we talk about that in the lives lost in june 14.— we talk about that in the lives lost in june 14. joining me now is the barrister _ lost in june 14. joining me now is the barrister and _ lost in june 14. joining me now is the barrister and former - is the barrister and former london firefighter. thank you for taking the time to talk to us. your thoughts first of all and what we've heard from the chair of the inquiry. it’s and what we've heard from the chair of the inquiry.— chair of the inquiry. it's very depressing. _ chair of the inquiry. it's very depressing, but _ chair of the inquiry. it's very depressing, but i _ chair of the inquiry. it's very depressing, but i think - chair of the inquiry. it's very depressing, but i think it. depressing, but i think it concludes what many of us have known for a very long time. that is all 72 of those deaths were absolutely avoidable. what were absolutely avoidable. what we need to see now is one is the recommendation that have come out of this report, as we need to see those people who have been named and shamed in this report and it does go quite far in naming and shaming those people. and it's a brought to justice. so, those people. and it's a brought tojustice. so, we would hope that the police would hope that the police would seriously start to consider criminal prosecutions towards those people who are clearly responsible and who made the decisions to put that illegal flammable cladding on that building right behind us. interestingly, as we took

before, you were saying that potentially you thought that the police inquiry could have run parallel to the public inquiry. run parallel to the public inuui . �* run parallel to the public inuui .�* ., inquiry. but as before. the olice inquiry. but as before. the police inquiry _ inquiry. but as before. the police inquiry will - inquiry. but as before. the police inquiry will start - inquiry. but as before. the i police inquiry will start now, but that means is that there will be further delay and we are not looking at any prosecutions if at all for the next two years. now, this claim to have debated seven years for this inquiry to conclude. to tell them they now have to wait another two years before anyone is held criminally accountable is held criminally accountable is a very bitter held swallow. especially when this inquiry could have been run parallel ay. there is no reason in my eyes where i would say no. as mentioned, this has happened before in the past, and when people are being interviewed for can be given an undertaking when any given dunce think it cannot be used to guess at that would prevent seville, we don't have a situation where both

inquiry and placing investigation couldn't have run side by side. investigation couldn't have run side by side-— side by side. that is what should happen. _ side by side. that is what should happen. that - side by side. that is what i should happen. that didn't happen and be able to look at the evidence they have, it probably will be between two and three years before any potential criminal charges are brought. with your previous coming of former hat on, i would talk to what was said today. as a management level, not the fire crews were out on the ground, just to confirm that, at a managerial level about the planning about failing to prepare firefighters to tackle this kind of blaze. failure to prepare firefighters to evacuate people quickly in other words not to stick with that stay in place policy. get a blood quickly out of the sort of tower block fire, what is your reaction to that? is it

fair criticism? to your reaction to that? is it fair criticism?— your reaction to that? is it fair criticism? to an extent, when it took _ fair criticism? to an extent, when it took place, - fair criticism? to an extent, when it took place, the - fair criticism? to an extent, when it took place, the fire | when it took place, the fire brigade were mislead. the three leading up to the event, we have significant cuts the fire brigade in the borough of kensington and chelsea now, we saw 30% reduction in fire cover just about borough. in the three years leading up. we saw 29 fire engines remove from front line services. and of course, we saw further cuts up of course, we saw further cuts up in head office. the london fire brigade are on their knees. yes, they should have been better prepared and they are failures and the london fire brigade needs to reflect on those failures. but what i would say is that the failures at the london fire brigade have shown have not been down to dishonesty, corruption or greed. that cannot be said for the cladding company. 0r greed. that cannot be said for the cladding company. or the royal borough of kensington and chelsea, over the architects, orfor chelsea, over the architects, or for the government who were all involved in making the

decisions that allowed a legal