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it took place, the fire when it took place, the fire brigade were mislead. the three leading up to the event, we have significant cuts the fire brigade in the borough of kensington and chelsea now, we saw 30% reduction in fire cover just about borough. in the three years leading up. we saw 29 fire engines remove from front line services. and of course, we saw further cuts up of course, we saw further cuts up in head office. the london fire brigade are on their knees. yes, they should have been better prepared and they are failures and the london fire brigade needs to reflect on those failures. but what i would say is that the failures at the london fire brigade have shown have not been down to dishonesty, corruption or greed. that cannot be said for the cladding company. or the royal borough of kensington and chelsea, over the architects, orfor chelsea, over the architects, or for the government who were all involved in making the
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decisions that allowed a legal flammable claim to be put on the building.— the building. what are your thoughts — the building. what are your thoughts on _ the building. what are your thoughts on the _ the building. what are your thoughts on the other- thoughts on the other recommendations of the inquiry? obviously too many to go through in one interview but pick out the key recommendations from your perspective. recommendations from your perspective-_ recommendations from your perspective. there were a lot of recommendations, - perspective. there were a lot of recommendations, 52, - perspective. there were a lot of recommendations, 52, i i perspective. there were a lot i of recommendations, 52, i need to go through the report and properly digestive. one of the key recommendations is that fire safety for the construction of buildings is standardised. that is a key recommendation and needs to be implemented. this government have been committed to do so but they say it would take five years. that is unacceptable. you need to be done now. we saw yesterday that keir starmer came out and said that he would implement the recommendations that puts in place evacuation plans for disabled people in high rise buildings. again that's a good step but they need to implement all the recommendations as soon as possible. and crucially, and
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this is what keir starmer has refused to commit to, crucially what this government needs to do is set up a body that will oversee the recommendations from this report. because if they don't do that, they will be kicked in the long grass. we saw in the aftermath of the lakanal fire where six people died, again, because of cladding. very much the same issues that we saw grenfell. there were recommendations that we saw after that fire. no one oversaw them and they were kicked into the grass. so keir starmer refuses to commit to but he needs to commit to putting forward a body that will oversee those recommendations. we are seven years on from 72 men women and children burning to death in their beds. so far the only person who has lost theirjobs was a firefighter who was forced to resign. it's absolutely inexcusable that she is the only person who has been called to account. we need to see realjustice for this community. aha,
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see realjustice for this community.— community. a former firefighter, _ community. a former firefighter, now- community. a former - firefighter, now barrister. thank you very much forjoining me today. and the royal borough and —— at chelsea and cancelling has put put out a statement and acknowledged that they would not listened to as much as they should have been and they have talked about making this a turning point. the cladding company arconic that my less —— last gas was referring to still maintain that the cladding was safe. earlier i spoke to someone who lived in a flat in grenfell tower. we have spoken to all of our gas in advance to check what they were willing to talk about and he was willing to talk about the night of the fire. he told me about his father passed my instinct to evacuate the tower against the policy that was in place at the time which ultimately save their lives. on the night of the fire, it was about one o'clock in the morning and my dad came into in
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the apartment and told me and my sister, pack your stuff we need to go downstairs, there is a fire in the building. it was only once we were downstairs and outside the building that we saw the fire developed from a small fire in an apartment block that became the towering inferno that it became. the s - eed inferno that it became. the speed at — inferno that it became. the speed at which _ inferno that it became. the speed at which the - inferno that it became. the speed at which the fire developed was quite incredible. yeah, it was quite... again, it all happened really quickly, you know, my dad stayed upstairs on the 13th floor knocking on the doors of some of our neighbours. me and my sister came down and met with my mum who was letting in some of the firefighters. and again, itjust, within 15 minutes it was from the fourth floor all the way up to the 23rd. it was something that even to this day, it's still mind—boggling how something like this could happen in the 2ist—century britain. i happen in the 21st-century britain. ., , happen in the 21st-century britain. . , britain. i am sure you will have paid _ britain. i am sure you will have paid very _
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britain. i am sure you will have paid very close - britain. i am sure you will. have paid very close attention to the details of the inquiry today. what is your reaction to what sir mark —— martin shot his response. i what sir mark -- martin shot his response.— his response. i have not had time to read _ his response. i have not had time to read the _ his response. i have not had time to read the whole - his response. i have not had l time to read the whole report but i have tried to read as much as i can have it. i think it is quite a detailed report and it follows the evidence quite well and the recommendations seem to be some of the things that we have been calling for for the last seven and a half years. so, i kind of, i guess a lot of us as survivors and local residents feel a kind of indication where we actually feel like everything we have been calling for is hopefully coming. but now it is on to government to actually implement the recommendations and i was hearing earlier that there needs to be some kind of mechanism by which some of these recommendations do
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actually get implemented and the quicker the better because at the end of the day, what we want to make sure is that something like this never happens again. a grand sapphire survivor talking to me a little bit earlier. —— a grenfell fire survivor talking to me a little bit earlier. now we are back to the studio. thank you so much to you and your team there at grenfell tower on the day of that final report being published, report thatis report being published, report that is being described as damning. seven years after the tragedy of grenfell tower, the 14th ofjune 2017. i have to say, at that day i was at work and i was presenting in the early hours of the morning and i spoke to so many people who were desperately searching for their loved ones and i would never ever forget their words because it was just such a
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tragedy. 72 people lost their lives seven years ago. we have the report, the final report there has been published today. a report that is described as damning. now, let's bring you up—to—date with some of the day potts my other news... we are going to turn our attention to westminster for a going to turn our attention to westminsterfor a moment going to turn our attention to westminster for a moment where the former home secretary priti patel has been knocked out of the conservative leadership contest in the first round. tory mps have been casting their vote on who they want to replace rishi sunak. robert jenrick topped the poll followed by the former business secretary kemi badenoch. let's crossover live to our political editor who is monitoring all of this. we have had dame priti patel the former home secretary knocked out. patel the former home secretary knocked out-— knocked out. run us through the fiaures. knocked out. run us through the figures- that _ knocked out. run us through the figures. that is _ knocked out. run us through the figures. that is right. _ knocked out. run us through the figures. that is right. this - knocked out. run us through the figures. that is right. this is - figures. that is right. this is very much the first stages of
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this contest. it's a long time since rishi sunak said he was going to stand down. but the conservatives are taking this pretty slowly. the conservative party previously when choosing a new prime minister, this is deciding who is going to be the leader of the opposition with a huge task ahead of them to rebuild after that disastrous election defeat. as you said, it was priti patel he was gone out at this stage. now, it is pretty tight. remember, there are only 121 conservative mps left after the election. rishi sunak says he is not going to vote in this contest. neither are a couple of others. so actually, it is a pretty small electorates that makes it quite volatile. it only takes a view to change their mind and everything could change. robert jenrick coming out on top with 28 votes, followed by kemi badenoch. then we had james cleverly, another former badenoch. then we had james cleverly, anotherformer home cleverly, another former home secretary cleverly, anotherformer home secretary and former foreign secretary and former foreign secretary as well. tom tugendhat, mel stride on 16 and
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priti patel on 1a. it goes to another row next week that will break the number down to four. those four will then go to the conservative party conference where they will make their case. then there will be whittled down to two by the mps and at that point when you have the final two it goes out to conservative party members. so these candidates are, at the moment, really making their case to their fellow mps and they do have to be mindful of what tory members want because ultimately they are the ones they were particularly putting pressure on the mps to save vote one way or the other and at the end they will have the final say. at the end they will have the final say-— final say. indeed. robert jenrick out _ final say. indeed. robert jenrick out in _ final say. indeed. robert jenrick out in the - final say. indeed. robert jenrick out in the lead, i final say. indeed. robert. jenrick out in the lead, what we expect to happen next week with mike it we expect to happen next week with mike , ' . ., with mike it is so difficult to tell. someone _ with mike it is so difficult to tell. someone just - with mike it is so difficult to tell. someone just said - with mike it is so difficult to tell. someone just said to l with mike it is so difficult to l tell. someone just said to me tell. someonejust said to me that it tell. someonejust said to me thatitis tell. someonejust said to me that it is difficult to predict because in past we can say there had been shenanigans where people may be lending their votes to someone else in order to make sure that someone else drops to the bottom because they might be seen as a competitor for those votes. so
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i suppose the most eminent question is what happens to those votes that priti patel had? will she, those votes that priti patel had? willshe, infavour of somebody else? even if she were to do that, it doesn't mean that all her supporters will switch. they will now be vying and trying to attract votes. some have said that they don't mind the fact that she didn't come top of this particular poll, they say that she has drawn support from across the party in terms of right—wingers, others who seem to be more centrist. she is appealing to lots of different people. james cleverly�*s team are very pleased with how he has performed. they think that there is going to be on the hustings and they think that he could do well. they all feel that it could do well. they all feel thatitis could do well. they all feel that it is still to play for. others are saying mel stride, for example, one of his supporters said that i really urged him to stand. it's not about ego, he is there someone
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who has a lot of experience and they want him ultimately, they don't think necessarily is going to be the leader, they think it be a great shadow chancellor. so there is a lot of things going on here and with those numbers it is all pretty close. one mp said to me, you have got to remember that one mp is no .86 of the electorate so ifjust that one mp is no .86 of the electorate so if just a few change their minds and the whole outlook and change. thea;a whole outlook and change. they are bein: whole outlook and change. they are being careful— whole outlook and change. they are being careful with _ whole outlook and change. they are being careful with what they are saying. it can be bad not who is topping the polls, is that right? big man that hasn't been much polling but there was a that she was most popular with tory grassroots. she did her launch a couple of days ago when she spoke about going back to conservative principles. she talked about her upbringing, the fact that she is an engineer and had to find out of fix things. even some of her colleagues say that sometimes she can be a bit too
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abrasive even with those on her own side. people in the party have different reasons for voting for different people. but i think the fact that there is a little bit of polling the suggesting that tory party members back. that could also have an impact on how tory mps decide that they're going to vote. ~ ., , decide that they're going to vote. a, , . decide that they're going to vote. , ., ., vote. indeed. many thanks are brinuain vote. indeed. many thanks are bringing us _ vote. indeed. many thanks are bringing us no _ vote. indeed. many thanks are bringing us up to _ vote. indeed. many thanks are bringing us up to date - vote. indeed. many thanks are bringing us up to date at - bringing us up to date at westminster there. keeping on with the politics let's move on to scotland. in scotland, the first minister john swinney is expected announce the programme for government at holyrood. each september, the scottish government lays out its objectives and the legislative programme for the parliamentary year. it follows an announcement yesterday by the country's finance secretary of £500 million worth of cuts to balance the budget. let's speak to our scotland correspondent, lorna gordon who is outside holyrood. difficult forjohn swinney after that announcement of cuts
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announcement of cuts. yes, really significant cuts but remember, the wider context as well. his party, the snp took a hammering as well. his party, the snp tooka hammering in as well. his party, the snp took a hammering in the general election and they are now facing the holyrood election to scottish parliament in two year's time. he is also the leader of a minority government so in order to get it bills though he needs to get other parties on site. in this programme for government he talks about commitments that are practical and not partisan. he's is at the fact that he is in a minority government. he talked about commitments that were affordable, impactful and deliverable. perhaps talking to the fact that there has been half £1 billion of cuts and an ounce. the programme of government includes 1a bills that alongside 12 bills that
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are already before the scottish parliament. i think what was most interesting was the commitment of the direction of travel. the way that he would like to see his government don't make the areas he would like to see his government on in the 12 months. chief amongst thatis in the 12 months. chief amongst that is the aim of eradicating child poverty, what he called the moral compass of his government. yes, there were other announcements to do with bringing down nhs waiting times, to invest in infrastructure. i think the key policy focus was on that area of eradicating child poverty or trying to further that aim. well, the scottish conservatives were the first of the opposition parties here to get their response to the programme for government. the leader said that these were warm words but not much else. a list of empty platitudes and a government that is out of ideas and out of money. labour was similarly critical, they talked about this being the same
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sticking plaster approach, the same rehashed announcements, the same level of denial from the same level of denial from the third first minister in three years. they talked about the government had no vision, no strategy going forward. similarly critical words from the liberal democrats as well. who talked about the snp being humbled at the ballot blocks and playing fast and loose with scottish people's money, squandering so much of scotland's potential. they all laying the groundwork for their criticisms their strategy with this holyrood election on the horizon. john swinney saying that he will govern with the scottish people's priorities in mind. interesting that he mentioned independence because remember, of course, the snp is a party that has independence at its heart. but what he is trying to do with this programme for government is say and show that the

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