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the survivors and bereaved families from the grenfell tower disaster who say they're still waiting for justice, after a damning report into the deaths of 72 people. at the end, seven years have passed, and we still have no justice. we have to fight again. i don't how many years it will take. the deputy prime minister and housing secretary — angela rayner — tells the bbc the work to fix unsafe buildings must be speeded up. it is completely unacceptable that the remediation is taking as long as it is and that's what i want to see concluded much more quickly. police say they will follow the evidence but that final decisions on potential criminal charges will not be made
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until 2026. today's other stories, the ugandan marathon runner rebecca cheptegei has died four days after being set on fire in an alleged attack by herformer boyfriend. her former boyfriend. palestinian health officials say at least five people have been killed in an israeli drone strike in a car on the occupied west bank. welcome back here to our position at grenfell tower, that familiar green height and the words grenfell forever in our hearts. a familiar site for so many people who have followed the tragedy of this fire when it happened in 2017, june 2017, and the story of the survivors, the relatives of those who died as a result of the fire. they followed that story, as well as those. story, as well as they the fire. they followed that story, as well as they are still waiting for justice,
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story, as well as they are still waiting forjustice, and that follows the report after the second part of the inquiry into the tragedy revealed yesterday setting out a catalogue of failures. the six—year public inquiry�*s final report laid the blame on successive governments, systematic dishonesty from cladding companies and the indifference of the local council. 0ur correspondent ellie price has more. they may not have come to terms with their loss, but they have, finally, got some answers. we didn't have the right treatment. we were discriminated. to some, it gives answers and to some it doesn't do anything except it's put that extra nail in the coffin, as they say. at the end, seven years have passed and we still have - no justice and we have to fight again. - i don't know how manyl years it's going to take. the memory of that night still dominates this community. residents who were victims of, at best, incompetence, at worst, calculated dishonesty and greed, the report said. lives that didn't
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need to be lost. the simple truth is that the deaths that occurred were all avoidable, and those who lived in the tower were badly failed over a number of years and in a number of different ways by those who were responsible for ensuring the safety of the building and its occupants. the prime minister visited grenfell tower two weeks ago. he's vowed to take swift action. there will be a debate on the floor of this house. we will respond in full to the inquiry�*s recommendations within six months and we will update parliament annually on our progress against every commitment that we make. but there are some things i can say right now. there are still buildings today with unsafe cladding, and the speed at which this is being addressed is far, far too slow. the fire here was a result of dishonest companies,
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failures by successive governments, and a lack of strategy by the fire service. the council, which was responsible for the tower, has apologised for failing to protect residents before the fire and to look after them in the aftermath. has enough changed? no, i don't think enough has changed. i think we need to continue. so for an easy reply, i could say, well, all the recommendations in the first part of the report, you know, we've put them in, we've changed our resilience team, we've changed the way we organise ourselves, we've changed how we behave with our residents. we are held to account by our residents. but is that enough if you've lost a child, is that enough? no, i don't think so. police say they need until the end of next year to finish their investigation into what happened here, which means no criminal prosecutions will be brought until the end of 2026
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at the earliest. but for families who lost loved ones here, they've waited six years to see in black and white who was to blame for their deaths. their wait for justice continues. ellie price, bbc news, at grenfell tower. with me now is our correspondent, kate lamble — she has followed the inquiry in debt since it began more than six years. also has worked on a number of podcasts related to the inquiry and the podcast grenfell building a disaster which looked at the context, what happened before the fire injune what happened before the fire in june 2017. what happened before the fire injune 2017. somewhat what happened before the fire in june 2017. somewhat first what happened before the fire injune 2017. somewhat first of all for us if you can having done that in great detail. there is a rej somewhat first of injune 2017. somewhat first of all for us if you can having sat through all of those sat through all of those hearings, all of the testimony, hearings, all of the testimony, what you thought of the outcome what you thought of the outcome of part two of the inquiry. of part two of the inquiry. inquiries have two aims. the inquiries have two aims. the first is to set out what first is to set out what happens and the inquiry has happens and the inquiry has
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done that in great detail. done that in great detail. there is a report which there is a report which is 1700 pages long, ten kilograms. it doesn't matter how long it was, essentially it goes through in detail what the inquiry heard in its evidence, which was these layers and layers of failings to heed warnings, missed opportunities to make changes over years. it wasn't one company, one it happened at every level from the governments who set the regulations, through to the companies who manufactured and sold the cladding, and those in refurbishment who fitted the cladding to the outside of grenfell. the report spoke about the incompetence of all those involved in the refurbishment. i ~ refurbishment. there were 58 recommendations _ refurbishment. there were 58 recommendations from - refurbishment. there were 58 recommendations from the i refurbishment. there were 58 i recommendations from the chair of the inquiry yesterday. that is not legally binding, or those are not legally binding. i want to bring our viewers back to the recommended
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they specifically recommended that more consideration be given to the issue of cladding on buildings and specifically mentioned during a refurbishment which was exactly the scenario we saw unfold at grenfell yet those recommendations were not acted on. how do we know that these recommendations will be acted on? that is what families want. with the other building block we know the initial recommendation was not taken seriously. there were e—mails saying they needed to respond to the karen not kiss her backside. this was a period of great change, snap elections, referendums, three new building ministers and building safety ministers and building safety ministers in three years. it seems to have slipped between the cracks. the attitude the government has and the reaction to this as part of it and the other thing is about following up. knowing whether things are going to be changed. 0ne up. knowing whether things are going to be changed. one of the recommendations of the inquiry outside of what should change in the construction industry is
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that governments should have to say which recommendations they are carrying out and why. find say which recommendations they are carrying out and why.- are carrying out and why. and i su ose are carrying out and why. and i sunpose if— are carrying out and why. and i suppose if families _ are carrying out and why. and i suppose if families get - are carrying out and why. and i suppose if families get through an inquiry and then continue to have to monitor that, to see where that the recommendations of the inquiry are being followed up on, then you could say that actually that is another injustice to them. yeah, we heard in the previous recommendations that they were mps and the all parliamentary group on safety wrote 16 letters to ministers injust group on safety wrote 16 letters to ministers in just a couple of years asking them to change, to chase up that change, to chase up that change, and the response they got from government was found by government years ago to be appalling, delayed, impartial. there were e—mails say they will not disrupt the work of this department in order to make these changes. so this chasing up that we have seen in the past is not necessarily made a difference. it is about where the fire safety sits in the priority of a government's actions. d0 the priority of a government's actions. , ., ., ., actions. do you feel that now after grenfell, _ actions. do you feel that now after grenfell, seven - actions. do you feel that now after grenfell, seven years i after grenfell, seven years later, that that is changing?
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we will see it in the news, the government has talked about coming back in six months. i think it is difficult for people to keep the dangers and the risks at hand. complacency constantly in the forefront of their minds. that is one of the things we had over and over again in the inquiry, people thought such a thing couldn't happen here. it is difficult to know that long—term change and after phase one, there has been whether it will happen at this and know that long—term change and whether it will happen at this point. point. whether it will happen at this oint. . ~' ,, , whether it will happen at this whether it will happen at this oint. . ~' ,, oint. . ~' , . speaking of what the speaking of what the politicians and governors is politicians and governors is going to do... going to do... we've had plenty of we've had plenty of political reaction. political reaction. speaking to the bbc speaking to the bbc the deputy prime minister the deputy prime minister and housing secretary — and housing secretary — angela rayner — said work angela rayner — said work to fix unsafe buildings to fix unsafe buildings must be speeded up. must be speeded up. the report is pretty harrowing. more needs to be done. the report is pretty harrowing. when you see the level when you see the level of failure, it's not one of failure, it's not one failure in one place — failure in one place — it's everybody who had it's everybody who had a responsibility to protect a responsibility to protect people and keep them safe people and keep them safe in their homes completely, in their homes completely, catastrophically failed them. catastrophically failed them. and that's why the prime and that's why the prime minister apologised yesterday. minister apologised yesterday. but quite rightly, as was said, but quite rightly, as was said,
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more needs to be done. after phase one, there has been significant changes — new regulators and new laws that have been passed — but when i took up my position eight or nine weeks ago, i was absolutely astonished at how many buildings still are waiting to start remediation work. and that's why i want to come forward this autumn with a remediation acceleration plan, to make sure that we can do everything we can to get this cladding off the buildings and to hold those responsible. and the phase two report we saw yesterday gives 58
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a number of changes that have been made. but it is completely unacceptable that the remediation is taking as long as it is. and that's what i want to see concluded much more swiftly, because i completely understand that it is incredibly difficult to be stuck in one of those buildings now that you bought in good faith, or that you're there in good faith — you are stuck there now and you have no timeline to when that remediation work is going to be completed. and that's why the accelerator plan that i'm coming forward with in the autumn has to make sure that this is speeded up. i've been speaking to our chief political correspondent henry zeffman for more analysis. what is really interesting about the government's response to this is that they are waiting six months, as is often the case with these very meaty extensive
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inquiries, to respond in full to all the recommendations of the report. but it is also clear from what keir starmer was saying in house of commons yesterday and what angela rayner has said this morning to the bbc, that there are some areas where the government feels it needs to move faster. and one of those, as you heard emphasised there, is remediation, the term given to basically taking cladding off the vast number, itappears, of residences where people still are living surrounded by unsafe cladding. and what is so striking about what angela rayner is saying is that the government still doesn't seem to have a complete idea of how many buildings that affects. she said she still believes, actually, that new laws are required. seven years after this disaster new laws may be required to compel the owners of those buildings to take the measures the government wants them to take. i think what is going to be very interesting is to see whether this government
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can find ways to speed it up and to make those laws bite in a way that previous governments since 2017 have tried and — in angela rayner�*s view — failed to do so. earlier i spoke to the housing correspondent at the i newspaper, vicky spratt, and i asked her whether she has confidence that going forward there will be a unification of understanding by contractors that the materials and methods they're using are safe. building is complicated and builders are up against it with inflation, the rising cost of materials. they are under pressure. i visited a site recently where i could see coins were being cut. we have a huge problem with building control in this country, which has been privatised. we now have a situation where the people who sign off a new buildings to ensure that they safe are often employed by the people who built them. let's just pause on that for a moment. that does not mean that
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we have a truly independent building control sector. 0ne we have a truly independent building control sector. one of the recommendations of the grenfell inquiry�*s report is that that needs to be looked at, and i think that's really, really urgent.— really urgent. how is the government _ really urgent. how is the government going - really urgent. how is the government going to - really urgent. how is the - government going to ensure that someone who is in that position of overview in the construction industry has that knowledge yet is also independent of it? i think they really need to pick the right person. i can think of a couple of people i quite like to see get the job. but one of the recommendations is that building safety should be the responsibility of one secretary of state who has an expert advisor. that advisor will need to be somebody who is truly independent and who is not afraid to stand up to industry and make difficult decisions and say things that also might be politically unpopular, that might cost money, because when it comes to building safety this is something so fundamental, this is where you live, it is where you go to bed every night and wake up every morning. we have to have homes that are safe
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and, as labour have been saying, we also need to build new homes quickly, but there cannot be a compromise on standards. it is too serious. that was a vicky spratt from the i paper. joining me now is beryl menzies — fire safety expert. thank you very much for your time today. i want to begin by asking you whether you think in the years since grenfell much has already changed in terms of building controls. it has already changed in terms of building controls.— building controls. it has very much to it — building controls. it has very much to it is _ building controls. it has very much to it is more _ building controls. it has very much to it is more regulated and, in fact, much to it is more regulated and, infact, the much to it is more regulated and, in fact, the building safety regulator that has been put in place is now the only building control body who can deal with buildings such as those of the size of grenfell, so there is very strict control over those types of buildings now. 50 over those types of buildings now. ,, ., ., , over those types of buildings now. ., , ., ., ., now. so does that regulation need to go — now. so does that regulation need to go further, - now. so does that regulation need to go further, and - now. so does that regulation need to go further, and what did you think of what the inquiry had to say on that subject yesterday?-
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inquiry had to say on that subject yesterday? well, i would welcome _ subject yesterday? well, i would welcome the - would welcome the recommendations to appoint an independent panel to consider what we now know as registered building control approvers, formerly known as approved inspectors, should have a role as building control providers. and whether the building control function should be a national one. it is something that has been debated for many years. all i would say is that over the last seven, eight, more years, i have been part of panels that have audited approved inspectors as were and we have found issues and those issues have been remedied. local authority building control has not undergone such scrutiny, shall we say, and hopefully now with the new system, that scrutiny will be in place under the control of the building safety regulator. thatin the building safety regulator. that in itself, in my opinion
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hasissues that in itself, in my opinion has issues because i believe it is under resourced and underfunded and it has a huge task ahead of itself. just underfunded and it has a huge task ahead of itself.— task ahead of itself. just for clari , task ahead of itself. just for clarity, where _ task ahead of itself. just for clarity, where building - clarity, where building controls have been privatised, should that now fall under a national regulator, in your view? ., ., ., ., view? the regulation of what are now known _ view? the regulation of what are now known as _ view? the regulation of what are now known as registered | are now known as registered building control approvers just fall under the building safety regulator, which sits within the health and safety executive, so in effect it is a national control of those private individuals, and hopefully that level of scrutiny will be comparable to that under the previous register and will include auditing of actual files to see how they have been progressing and how they have been adhering to the required high level of standard. 50 to the required high level of standard-— to the required high level of standard. ., standard. so you are confident that the existing _ standard. so you are confident that the existing structure - that the existing structure
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should work, is that what you are saying? it should work, is that what you are saying?— are saying? it is early days and the building _ are saying? it is early days and the building safety - and the building safety regulator, bsr, has a huge volume of work at the moment. they are being assisted by registered inspectors from both the private and the local authority, which means they are being taken away from those two other bodies to assist the bsr. unfortunately the industry has a lack of people coming into the industry and a high level of people leaving the industry. i think it's of people leaving the industry. i think its general view is that it has got quite complicated and, again, as the report suggests, it needs to be made simpler throughout. thank ou ve made simpler throughout. thank you very much — made simpler throughout. thank you very much for _ made simpler throughout. thank you very much for explaining - you very much for explaining some of those complicating factors for us. beryl menzies. thank you. we are going to continue to
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report here from grenfell throughout the day and gets much more analysis on that second and final report from the public inquiry into the grenfell fire tragedy. we will do that right through the day here on bbc news. for the moment, from grenfell, back to the studio. thank you very much indeed. the ugandan marathon runner rebecca cheptegei has died four days after being set on fire in an alleged attack by her boyfriend. the olympic athlete was reportedly doused with petrol at her home in western kenya where she had been training. cheptegei — who was 33 — sustained burns on more than 70 percent of her body. the boyfriend was also injured. there are concerns about the increasing cases of violence against female athletes in kenya, some of which have resulted in death. 0ur africa sports correspondent, celestine karoney, has more on the story doctors treating her said the 33—year—old died after she suffered organ failure as a result of the extensive burns that she suffered in that attack on sunday.
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doctors had said that her burn percentage was at 80% and she had been in critical condition since arriving in hospital on monday. the authorities in north—west kenya, where cheptegei lived and trained, said she was attacked when she came back from church with her two children, and the alleged assailant, who the family said — the family told the media — is an ex—boyfriend, who also suffered extensive injuries. he was in the intensive care unit and doctors say he suffered 30% burns. cheptegei started competing in athletics in 2010. she first represented uganda as an under—20 athlete in the world cross—country championships and in recent years she has competed
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in high—profile competitions, as well. last year she was part of the marathon team in the world championships at this year she competed in the paris 0lympics, where she finished 44th but she really did achieve success in the mountain and trail running competitions, winning the inaugural event gold medal back in 2022. so she was an athlete — she may have been ugandan but she lived and trained in kenya. and this is an area in the country which is known to produce so many top distance running. really, really tragic for also kenyan athletes who really knew her. i was speaking to some ad they they found her to be very affable, she was very nice, very easy to deal with, as well. police in munich have shot and killed a person suspected of carrying a firearm near an
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institute that documents nazi history. local reports say the suspect fired two shots at the centre near the israeli consulate. police have launched a large operation in the city centre and appealed to the public to avoid the area. police say they are not looking for other suspects. at least five people have been killed in an israeli strike on a car in the occupied west bank. the palestinian red crescent society said that another person was seriously wounded in the bombing in the northern city of tubas. the israeli military said it carried out three separate air strikes against armed palestinians near tubas. it said they posed a threat to israeli troops. israel launched an offensive across the northern west bank last week. the strikes come as hamas says israel's refusal to withdraw from a strategically important strip of land in southern gaza aims to thwart an agreement to end the war and secure the release of the hostages. hamas said there was no need for new ceasefire proposals, and it was time to put pressure on israel. the israeli prime minister again insisted that israeli forces will not leave the philadelphi corridor —
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a strip of land in southern gaza along the border with egypt. benjamin netanyahu argued that israeli troops must remain in this buffer zone to prevent weapons and possibly israeli hostages being smuggled across the border. james landale is in jerusalem, following the latest developments. the reports at the moment are that the united states is trying once again to see if there is some kind of new proposal that can be given a breath of life to it. this is because in this particular process the americans are and have to be the eternal optimists, always trying to get the process alive, always looking for another option. but at the moment, there is not a great deal of optimism when it comes to ceasefire talks in gaza. essentially the dispute comes down to a question of what role — if any — israeli forces should have in gaza after any potential ceasefire.
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hamas obviously say they don't want the idf anywhere inside gaza, the israelis are saying, no, the idf should have a role — in particular, according to the prime minster benjamin netanyahu, the israelis should retain control of a thin strip of land right at the southern bit of gaza on the border with egypt that he wants to act as a buffer zone to prevent hamas rearming and smuggling out hostages during any ceasefire. the problem is that obviously that is rejected by hamas, egypt. many people here in israel think that this is a pretext — that actually this obsession on this particular strip of land — the philadelphi corridor, the israelis call it — is actually an attempt by mr netanyahu to try to buy time so that he can continue to prosecute his military operation against hamas, and the families of the hostages are really angry because they think that the lives of hostages have been put at risk by this strategy. but at the moment all the signs are that mr netanyahu is standing firm. a teenager accused of killing four people at his high school
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in georgia was interviewed last year by police about anonymous online threats. at the time, local schools had reportedly been told to continue monitoring him. four people were killed in the incident, two fourteen—year old pupils and two teachers at the apalachee high school in the city of winder. nine others were taken to hospital. the boy, named as colt gray, was arrested on campus and will be prosecuted as an adult. people came together to hold a vigil following the shootings in georgia. students, families, and teachers held candles and prayed for the victims. 0ne eyewitness who lives across from the school described what he saw. it was crazy, like... it was.... it looked like a... i didn't really pay no attention to it at first — i was like, they sound like they were at the school. and i look over and then the alarm started going off — the school alarms — and people were going out around the school and they were doing like, the drill — you know, like the drill, fire drill stuff is what i seen. and then i knew... i knew something was seriously wrong then. and you don't hear
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about that happening — you hear about it happening all around the world, but it shows that it can happen anywhere, um, you know? the director of the georgia bureau of investigation has been speaking to the press this morning. barrow county sheriff's office identified and located gray, who is our suspect in this case. they conducted an investigation at that time, and there was no probable cause for arrest or to take any additional law—enforcement action. uh, this is not recent — this is in the past — but we wanted to bring that to your attention, uh, because we are pursuing that, working with the fbi on that, and any connection to that incident that could be connected to today's incident, as well. also, we're also aware of some previous contacts that the department of family and children's services in the area had had with the suspect and his family, and we are pursuing that avenue, as well, too, to see if that has any connection with today's incident. let's ta ke let's take a look at some
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pictures of the pope in indonesia. he is delivering mass to nearly 80,000 people in the main football stadium in indonesia with tens of thousands also watching outside. many people have travelled from across indonesia for the event, a three—day visit to indonesia but part of a 12 day trip to the pacific by the pope and he is talking about trying to prevent conflict with religious leaders. let's get the weather. some sunshine and warmth to come across north—western areas over the next few days but for those in the southern counties of england and wales, rainfall is the story. maybe as much as a month's with one or two. if you are on the move, they could be flooding and travel disruption around. the rainfall forecast chart in terms of total is ten points in the and wales, particularto total is ten points in the and wales, particular to the south—west. highest totals possible may be up to 100 millimetres in one or two isolated places. these other weather fronts responsible,
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isolated places. these other weatherfronts responsible, an weather fronts responsible, an area weatherfronts responsible, an area of low pressure to sell three today and tomorrow but at the same time, not a bit, strengthening easterly wind will bring humid airfrom the near continent and temperatures will rise in the west. here in the north and west we will see the north and west we will see the best of the weather today in terms of sunshine. temperatures continuing to climb. if you migrate to northwest resting on compared with one, lots of cloud elsewhere, picking up a patch of light rain and drizzle, heavy bursts of rain working westwards across southern counties of england and south wales. brisk winds, especially for england, wales and eastern scotland. pinning the temperatures back on the eastern coast but may be 20 to 22 degrees possible in western scotland. this evening, some of the heaviest rain in the south—west, but it leaves for a time before the white shower start to push in. not as extensive as we finish the day but rumbles of thunder possible and increasingly humid for all of us into tomorrow morning, temperatures not dropping much lower than the mid—teens for many. extensive mist and low cloud in northern and eastern scotland through the central belt, north—east england, some struggle to shift. it was sunshine elsewhere and even in
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the south we will continue to see bursts of rain but more of you will avoid it with a better chance of brighter breaks. temperatures where the rainfall is still rather suppressed here but a humid day elsewhere, 26 in north—west england, 25, maybe 26 in some parts of western scotland. then, through into the weekend, we still have low pressure in france but not as a strong and easterly wind. whether system starts to push in a bit northwards, fairly we but means a bit more cloud more widely in northern england on saturday, the chance of a few showers. still the show and thunderstorm in the south, best of the sunshine western scotland and northern ireland again, but even here temperatures dropping, lifting relative to the next couple of daysin relative to the next couple of days in east anglia the south—east. as for sunday, a greater chance of showers and thunderstorms again through england and wales, more cloud into scotland and northern ireland, and accordingly temperatures will drop further.
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this is bbc news. the headlines: police in munich have shot dead a person suspected of carrying a person suspected of carrying a firearm near an institute that documents nazi history. this is the scene live right now. police havejust held this is the scene live right now. police have just held a press conference, we will bring you the latest. ugandan 0lympic athlete rebecca cheptegei has died after being allegedly doused with petrol and set on fire by her boyfriend. survivors and bereaved families from the grenfell tower disaster say they are still waiting for justice after disaster say they are still waiting forjustice after a damning report into the deaths of 72 people. water company bosses could be banned from receiving bonuses and sent to
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prison following new legislation in the uk.

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