senate in in the united states senate in the late — in the united states senate in the late greatjohn mccain, who you have — the late greatjohn mccain, who you have disparaged as someone you have disparaged as someone you don't— you have disparaged as someone you don't like, at the time, because _ you don't like, at the time, because he got caught. he was an american hero, the late, great — an american hero, the late, greatjohn mccain, i will never forget — greatjohn mccain, i will never forget that time, he walks down to the _ forget that time, he walks down to the senate floor and said, no, — to the senate floor and said, no, you _ to the senate floor and said, no, you don't. no, you don't get — no, you don't. no, you don't get rid — no, you don't. no, you don't get rid of— no, you don't. no, you don't get rid of the affordable care act — get rid of the affordable care act you _ get rid of the affordable care act. you have no plan and what the affordable care act has done — the affordable care act has done is _ the affordable care act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people — of insurance companies to deny people a — of insurance companies to deny people a pre—existing conditions and i don't have to tell people watching tonight, do you — tell people watching tonight, do you remember what that was light? _ do you remember what that was light? when an insurance company could deny if a child had asthma, if someone was a breast— had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor, if a grandparent had diabetes. and thankfully, as i have been vice president— thankfully, as i have been vice president and the way over the last four— president and the way over the last four years have strengthened the affordable care — strengthened the affordable care act. we have allowed for the first — care act. we have allowed for the first time medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf

of you. — negotiate drug prices on behalf of you, the american people. donald — of you, the american people. donald trump said he was going to allow— donald trump said he was going to allow medicare medicare drop prices _ to allow medicare medicare drop prices and he never did. we have — prices and he never did. we have kept— prices and he never did. we have kept the cost of insulin at $35— have kept the cost of insulin at $35 a _ have kept the cost of insulin at $35 a month and since i've been — at $35 a month and since i've been vice _ at $35 a month and since i've been vice president we've counted _ been vice president we've counted at $2000 a year for seniors _ counted at $2000 a year for seniors and when i —— when i am present— seniors and when i —— when i am presehtwe— seniors and when i —— when i am present we will do that for all people. — present we will do that for all people, understanding the value i people, understanding the value i bring _ people, understanding the value i bring to— people, understanding the value i bring to this is the access to health _ i bring to this is the access to health care should be a right— to health care should be a right and notjust to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those _ right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it. and the pie[1 — of those who can afford it. and the plan has to be to strengthen the affordable care act, hor— strengthen the affordable care act, nor get rid of it. xipt'ice act, nor get rid of it. vice president _ act, nor get rid of it. vice president harris, - act, nor get rid of it. vice president harris, thank. act, nor get rid of it. vice i president harris, thank you. act, nor get rid of it. vice - president harris, thank you. i want to move to an issue that is important. want to move to an issue that is important-— is important. she made a mistake- _ is important. she made a mistake. number - is important. she made a mistake. number one. i is important. she made a i mistake. number one. john mistake. number one. john mccain— mistake. number one. john mccain fought _ mistake. number one. john mccain fought 0bama - mistake. number one. john mccain fought 0bama carei mistake. number one. john. mccain fought 0bama care for ten years _ mccain fought 0bama care for ten years it _ mccain fought 0bama care for ten years. it wasn't _ mccain fought 0bama care for ten years. it wasn't just - mccain fought 0bama care for ten years. it wasn'tjust him, i ten years. it wasn't just him, it was— ten years. it wasn't just him, it was all— ten years. it wasn't just him, it was all of— ten years. it wasn't just him, it was all of the _ ten years. it wasn't just him, it was all of the democrats i ten years. it wasn'tjust him, i it was all of the democrats who kept _ it was all of the democrats who kept it — it was all of the democrats who kept it going. _ it was all of the democrats who kept it going, and _ it was all of the democrats who kept it going, and you - it was all of the democrats who kept it going, and you know- kept it going, and you know what” _ kept it going, and you know what” we _ kept it going, and you know what,, we can— kept it going, and you know what,, we can do— kept it going, and you know what,, we can do much- kept it going, and you know. what,, we can do much better than _ what,, we can do much better than 0bama _ what,, we can do much better than 0bama care, _ what,, we can do much better than 0bama care, much- what,, we can do much better than 0bama care, much less i than 0bama care, much less nroney— than 0bama care, much less money but _ than 0bama care, much less money but she _ than 0bama care, much less money but she won't - than 0bama care, much lessl money but she won't improve

private — money but she won't improve private insurance _ money but she won't improve private insurance for - money but she won't improve private insurance for people, i private insurance for people, private — private insurance for people, private medical— private insurance for people, private medical insurance. i private medical insurance. thats— private medical insurance. that's another— private medical insurance. that's another thing - private medical insurance. that's another thing she i that's another thing she doesn't _ that's another thing she doesn't want. _ that's another thing she doesn't want. people i that's another thing she i doesn't want. people are that's another thing she - doesn't want. people are paying privately— doesn't want. people are paying privately for _ doesn't want. people are paying privately for insurance, - doesn't want. people are paying privately for insurance, that - privately for insurance, that have — privately for insurance, that have worked _ privately for insurance, that have worked hard _ privately for insurance, that have worked hard and - privately for insurance, thatj have worked hard and made privately for insurance, that - have worked hard and made money and they— have worked hard and made money and they want — have worked hard and made money and they want to _ have worked hard and made money and they want to have _ have worked hard and made money and they want to have private - and they want to have private and they want to have private and she — and they want to have private and she wants _ and they want to have private and she wants everybody - and they want to have private and she wants everybody to l and they want to have private. and she wants everybody to be on government _ and she wants everybody to be on government insurance - and she wants everybody to bei on government insurance where you wait— on government insurance where you wait six— on government insurance where you wait six months _ on government insurance where you wait six months for- on government insurance where you wait six months for an - you wait six months for an operation _ you wait six months for an operation that— you wait six months for an operation that you - you wait six months for an operation that you need i operation that you need immediately. _ operation that you need immediately.— operation that you need immediatel . . . immediately. president trump, thank you _ immediately. president trump, thank you we _ immediately. president trump, thank you. we have _ immediately. president trump, thank you. we have another - thank you. we have another issue that we'd like to get to thatis issue that we'd like to get to that is important for a number of americans, in particular younger voters, climate change. with regard to the environment, you say we have to have clean air and clean water. vice president harris, you call climate change and existential threat. the question to you both tonight is what you would do to fight climate change, and vice president harris, we will start with you, one minute each. ., , , each. the former president said that climate _ each. the former president said that climate change _ each. the former president said that climate change is _ each. the former president said that climate change is a - each. the former president said that climate change is a hoax i that climate change is a hoax and what _ that climate change is a hoax and what we know it is very reat~ — and what we know it is very reat~ you _ and what we know it is very real. you ask anyone who lives in a _ real. you ask anyone who lives in a state — real. you ask anyone who lives in a state who has experienced these — in a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences who is now either being — occurrences who is now either being denied home insurance or it is being — being denied home insurance or it is being jacked up. you ask anybody— it is being jacked up. you ask anybody who has been the victim

of what _ anybody who has been the victim of what that means in terms of losing — of what that means in terms of losing their home, having no where — losing their home, having no where to— losing their home, having no where to go. we know that we can actually deal with this issue _ can actually deal with this issue. the young people of america _ issue. the young people of america care deeply about this issue _ america care deeply about this issue and — america care deeply about this issue and i am proud that as vice — issue and i am proud that as vice president over the last four— vice president over the last four years we have invested $1 trillion _ four years we have invested $1 trillion in — four years we have invested $1 trillion in a clean energy economy while we have also increased domestic gas production to historic levels. we have _ production to historic levels. we have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while they — new manufacturing jobs while they have been vice president and invested in clean energy to the point — and invested in clean energy to the point where we are opening up the point where we are opening up factories around the world. donald — up factories around the world. donald trump said he would create — donald trump said he would create manufacturing jobs, he lost manufacturing jobs and i'm also proud to have the endorsement of the united auto walkers— endorsement of the united auto walkers who know —— auto workers _ walkers who know —— auto workers who know that building a clean — workers who know that building a clean energy economy means investing — a clean energy economy means investing in american—made products. _ investing in american—made products, american automobiles and includes growing what we can do—

and includes growing what we can do around american manufacturing and opening up auto _ manufacturing and opening up auto plants, not closing them like happened under donald trunrp _ like happened under donald trum -. . �* like happened under donald trum-. . �* trump. that didn't happen under controlled drum. _ trump. that didn't happen under controlled drum. they _ trump. that didn't happen under controlled drum. they lost - controlled drum. they lost 10,000 _ controlled drum. they lost 10,000 manufacturing - controlled drum. they losti 10,000 manufacturing jobs controlled drum. they lost- 10,000 manufacturing jobs this nronth— 10,000 manufacturing jobs this month -- — 10,000 manufacturing jobs this month —— under— 10,000 manufacturing jobs this month —— under donald - 10,000 manufacturing jobs this month —— under donald trump.j month —— under donald trump. they— month —— under donald trump. they are — month —— under donald trump. they are all— month —— under donald trump. they are all leaving _ month —— under donald trump. they are all leaving and - month —— under donald trump. they are all leaving and they i they are all leaving and they are building _ they are all leaving and they are building big— they are all leaving and they are building big auto- they are all leaving and they are building big auto plantsi they are all leaving and theyi are building big auto plants in mexico — are building big auto plants in mexico and _ are building big auto plants in mexico and in _ are building big auto plants in mexico and in medication - are building big auto plants ini mexico and in medication layer owned — mexico and in medication layer owned by— mexico and in medication layer owned by china _ mexico and in medication layer owned by china and _ mexico and in medication layer owned by china and they- mexico and in medication layer owned by china and they are l owned by china and they are building _ owned by china and they are building these _ owned by china and they are building these massive - owned by china and they are | building these massive plans and they— building these massive plans and they think _ building these massive plans and they think they- building these massive plans and they think they will- building these massive plans and they think they will sell. and they think they will sell their— and they think they will sell their cars _ and they think they will sell their cars into— and they think they will sell their cars into the - and they think they will sell their cars into the us - and they think they will sell. their cars into the us because of these — their cars into the us because of these people. _ their cars into the us because of these people. what - their cars into the us because of these people. what they. their cars into the us because i of these people. what they have given _ of these people. what they have given to — of these people. what they have given to china _ of these people. what they have given to china is— of these people. what they have given to china is unbelievable. i given to china is unbelievable. but we — given to china is unbelievable. but we are _ given to china is unbelievable. but we are now _ given to china is unbelievable. but we are now going - given to china is unbelievable. but we are now going to - given to china is unbelievable. but we are now going to let i but we are now going to let that — but we are now going to let that we _ but we are now going to let that. we wau— but we are now going to let that. we will put _ but we are now going to let that. we will put tariffs - but we are now going to let that. we will put tariffs oni that. we will put tariffs on the — that. we will put tariffs on the cars _ that. we will put tariffs on the cars so _ that. we will put tariffs on the cars so they _ that. we will put tariffs on the cars so they can't - that. we will put tariffs onl the cars so they can't come into— the cars so they can't come into our— the cars so they can't come into our country— the cars so they can't come into our country because i the cars so they can't come i into our country because they will kiti— into our country because they will kill the — into our country because they will kill the united _ into our country because they will kill the united auto - will kill the united auto workers _ will kill the united auto workers and _ will kill the united auto workers and any - will kill the united auto workers and any auto i will kill the united auto - workers and any auto worker whether _ workers and any auto worker whether it _ workers and any auto worker whether it is _ workers and any auto worker whether it is in _ workers and any auto worker whether it is in detroit - 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here again, david muir and linsey davis. the time has come the closing stages —— statements, and vice president harris, we will begin with you. i think you've heard tonight two — i think you've heard tonight two very— i think you've heard tonight two very different visions for our country, one that is focused _ our country, one that is focused on the future and the other— focused on the future and the other that is focused on the past — other that is focused on the past. and an attempt to take us backward — past. and an attempt to take us backward. but we are not going back _ backward. but we are not going back and — backward. but we are not going back. and i do believe that the american — back. and i do believe that the american people know that we all have — american people know that we all have so much more in common than _ all have so much more in common than what — all have so much more in common than what separates us and we can chart — than what separates us and we can chart a _ than what separates us and we can chart a new way forward.

and — can chart a new way forward. and of— can chart a new way forward. and of includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition— the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the american people. _ ambition of the american people, which is why i intend to create _ people, which is why i intend to create an opportunity economy investing in small businesses are new families and what _ businesses are new families and what we — businesses are new families and what we can do around protecting seniors and what we can do— protecting seniors and what we can do that is about giving hard—working folks a break and bringing — hard—working folks a break and bringing down the cost of living _ bringing down the cost of living i— bringing down the cost of living. i believe in what we can— living. i believe in what we can do— living. i believe in what we can do together. that is about sustaining america's standing in the — sustaining america's standing in the world and ensuring we have — in the world and ensuring we have the _ in the world and ensuring we have the respect we so rightly deserve. _ have the respect we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring we have — our military and ensuring we have the _ our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force — have the most lethal fighting force in— have the most lethal fighting force in the world. i will be a president— force in the world. i will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedom including the rights of a woman to make — including the rights of a woman to make decisions about her own body— to make decisions about her own body and — to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell —— tell her what — government tell —— tell her what to— government tell —— tell her what to do. i started my career as a _

what to do. i started my career as a prosecutor. i was a da, what to do. i started my career as a prosecutor. iwas a da, an attorney— as a prosecutor. iwas a da, an attorney general, united states senator — attorney general, united states senator and a vice president. we _ senator and a vice president. we only— senator and a vice president. i've only had one client, the people _ i've only had one client, the people i_ i've only had one client, the people. i tell you, i've only had one client, the people. itell you, as i've only had one client, the people. i tell you, as a prosecutor, i never asked a victim — prosecutor, i never asked a victim or— prosecutor, i never asked a victim or a _ prosecutor, i never asked a victim or a witness, are you a repubiican— victim or a witness, are you a republican or a democrat? the only— republican or a democrat? the only thing — republican or a democrat? the only thing i ever asked them was: — only thing i ever asked them was, are _ only thing i ever asked them was, are you 0k? and that's the kind _ was, are you 0k? and that's the kind of— was, are you 0k? and that's the kind of president we need right now _ kind of president we need right now. someone who cares about you and — now. someone who cares about you and is— now. someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first. i intend to be a — themselves first. i intend to be a president for all americans and focus on what we can do— americans and focus on what we can do over— americans and focus on what we can do over the next ten and 20 years— can do over the next ten and 20 years to — can do over the next ten and 20 years to build back up our country— years to build back up our country by investing right now in you. — country by investing right now in you, the american people. vice — in you, the american people. vice president harris, thank you. vice president harris, thank ou. . ,, vice president harris, thank ou. , ,, , you. president trump? she “ust started by�* you. president trump? she “ust started by saying i you. president trump? she “ust started by saying she's �* you. president trump? shejust started by saying she's going i started by saying she's going to do— started by saying she's going to do this, _ started by saying she's going to do this, she _ started by saying she's going to do this, she is— started by saying she's going to do this, she is going - started by saying she's going to do this, she is going to. started by saying she's going to do this, she is going to doj to do this, she is going to do that, — to do this, she is going to do that, she's _ to do this, she is going to do that, she's going _ to do this, she is going to do that, she's going to - to do this, she is going to do that, she's going to do - to do this, she is going to do that, she's going to do all. to do this, she is going to do that, she's going to do all of| that, she's going to do all of these — that, she's going to do all of these wonderful— that, she's going to do all of these wonderful things. - that, she's going to do all ofj these wonderful things. why hasn't — these wonderful things. why hasn't she _ these wonderful things. why hasn't she done _ these wonderful things. why hasn't she done it? - these wonderful things. why hasn't she done it? she's- these wonderful things. why i hasn't she done it? she's been there _ hasn't she done it? she's been there for— hasn't she done it? she's been there for three _ hasn't she done it? she's been there for three and _ hasn't she done it? she's been there for three and a _ hasn't she done it? she's been there for three and a half- there for three and a half years _ there for three and a half years. they've _ there for three and a half years. they've had - there for three and a half years. they've had three| there for three and a half- years. they've had three and a half— years. they've had three and a half years _ years. they've had three and a half years to _ years. they've had three and a half years to fix _ years. they've had three and a half years to fix the _ years. they've had three and a half years to fix the border. i half years to fix the border. they've _ half years to fix the border. they've had _ half years to fix the border. they've had three - half years to fix the border. they've had three and - half years to fix the border. they've had three and a i half years to fix the border. | they've had three and a half years —

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ukraine. we are going to end up in a third world war and it - in a third world war and it witt— in a third world war and it will be _ in a third world war and it will be a _ in a third world war and it will be a war— in a third world war and it will be a war like - in a third world war and it will be a war like no- in a third world war and it| will be a war like no other because _ will be a war like no other because of— will be a war like no other because of nuclear- will be a war like no other. because of nuclear weapons, will be a war like no other- because of nuclear weapons, the power _ because of nuclear weapons, the power of — because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry _ because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. i— because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. i rebuilt - power of weaponry. i rebuilt our entire _ power of weaponry. i rebuilt our entire military. - power of weaponry. i rebuilt our entire military. she- power of weaponry. i rebuilt| our entire military. she gave power of weaponry. i rebuilt . our entire military. she gave a lot our entire military. she gave a tot of— our entire military. she gave a tot of it — our entire military. she gave a tot of it away— our entire military. she gave a lot of it away to _ our entire military. she gave a lot of it away to afghanistan . lot of it away to afghanistan and to — lot of it away to afghanistan and to the _ lot of it away to afghanistan and to the taliban. - 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to come into our country, many of them are criminals and theyi of them are criminals and they are destroying _ of them are criminals and they are destroying our— of them are criminals and they are destroying our country. - of them are criminals and theyi are destroying our country. the worst _ are destroying our country. the worst president _ are destroying our country. the worst president and _ are destroying our country. the worst president and the - are destroying our country. the worst president and the worst i worst president and the worst vice president _ worst president and the worst vice president in _ worst president and the worst vice president in the - worst president and the worst vice president in the history. vice president in the history of our— vice president in the history of our country. _ vice president in the history of our country.— of our country. president trump. _ of our country. president trump, thank _ of our country. president trump, thank you. - of our country. president trump, thank you. and l of our country. president i trump, thank you. and that of our country. president - 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good night. and from all of us at abc news, good night-— good night. thank you very much. thank— good night. thank you very much. thank you. - welcome back. you're watching bbc news special coverage of the abc news presidential debate. i'm caitriona perry in washington dc. and i'm sumi somaskanda live in philadelphia, where the debate between vice president kamala harris and former president donald trumpjust concluded. abortion was a key topic during the debate, with ms harris calling for protections for reproductive rights, while president trump claimed democrats support abortions at up to nine—months pregnancy, and after birth. there is no state in this country where it's there is no state in this country where its legal to kill a baby after it is born. i want to get your response to president trump. this want to get your response to president trump.— want to get your response to president trump. as i said, we are going _ president trump. as i said, we are going to — president trump. as i said, we are going to hear— president trump. as i said, we are going to hear a _ president trump. as i said, we are going to hear a bunch - president trump. as i said, we are going to hear a bunch of. are going to hear a bunch of ties— are going to hear a bunch of ties and _ are going to hear a bunch of lies and that is not a surprising fact. let's understand how we got here. donatd — understand how we got here. donald trump hand selected three — donald trump hand selected three members of the united states— three members of the united states supreme court with the intention they they would undo

the protections of roe v wade and they— the protections of roe v wade and they did exactly as he intended endowing over 20 states _ intended endowing over 20 states there are trump abortion bans _ mr trump repeatedly attacked ms harris accusing her of enabling the migrant border crisis in the us, and repeated a claim about migrants in springfield ohio — that has now been fact—checked as a baseless claim. take a listen. 0ur our country is being lost, we are a — our country is being lost, we are a failing _ our country is being lost, we are a failing nation _ our country is being lost, we are a failing nation and - 0ur country is being lost, we are a failing nation and it- are a failing nation and it happened _ are a failing nation and it happened three - are a failing nation and it happened three and - are a failing nation and it happened three and a i are a failing nation and it. happened three and a half are a failing nation and it- happened three and a half years a-o happened three and a half years ago and — happened three and a half years ago and what _ happened three and a half years ago and what is _ happened three and a half years ago and what is going _ happened three and a half years ago and what is going on- happened three and a half years ago and what is going on here, i ago and what is going on here, you're — ago and what is going on here, you're going _ ago and what is going on here, you're going to— ago and what is going on here, you're going to end _ ago and what is going on here, you're going to end up - ago and what is going on here, you're going to end up in - ago and what is going on here, | you're going to end up in world war iii, — you're going to end up in world war iii, just— you're going to end up in world war iii, iustto_ you're going to end up in world war iii, just to go— you're going to end up in world war iii, just to go into - war iii, just to go into another— war iii, just to go into another subject. - war iii, just to go into another subject. what war iii, just to go into - another subject. what they war iii, just to go into _ another subject. what they have done _ another subject. what they have done to— another subject. what they have done to our— another subject. what they have done to our country— another subject. what they have done to our country by— another subject. what they have done to our country by allowing i done to our country by allowing these _ done to our country by allowing these millions— done to our country by allowing these millions and _ done to our country by allowing these millions and millions - done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of l these millions and millions of people — these millions and millions of peopte to _ these millions and millions of peopte to come _ these millions and millions of people to come into - these millions and millions of people to come into our- these millions and millions of . people to come into our country and took— people to come into our country and took at _ people to come into our country and look at what _ people to come into our country and look at what is _ people to come into our country and look at what is happening . and look at what is happening to the — and look at what is happening to the towns— and look at what is happening to the towns all— and look at what is happening to the towns all over - and look at what is happening to the towns all over the - to the towns all over the united _ to the towns all over the united states. _ to the towns all over the united states. a- to the towns all over the united states. a lot - to the towns all over the united states. a lot of l to the towns all over the - united states. a lot of towns don't — united states. a lot of towns don't want _ united states. a lot of towns don't want to _ united states. a lot of towns don't want to talk— united states. a lot of towns don't want to talk about - united states. a lot of towns don't want to talk about it, . united states. a lot of towns don't want to talk about it, it won't — don't want to talk about it, it won't be _ don't want to talk about it, it won't be aurora _ don't want to talk about it, it won't be aurora or— don't want to talk about it, it i won't be aurora or springfield, they— won't be aurora or springfield, they don't— won't be aurora or springfield, they don't want _ won't be aurora or springfield, they don't want to _ won't be aurora or springfield, they don't want to talk - won't be aurora or springfield, they don't want to talk about l they don't want to talk about it because _ they don't want to talk about it because they— they don't want to talk about it because they are - they don't want to talk about it because they are so - it because they are so embarrassed - it because they are so embarrassed by- it because they are so embarrassed by it. in| embarrassed by it. in springfield, - embarrassed by it. in springfield, they- embarrassed by it. in springfield, they are i embarrassed by it. in- springfield, they are eating the dogs. _ springfield, they are eating the dogs, the _ springfield, they are eating the dogs, the people - springfield, they are eating the dogs, the people that i springfield, they are eating - the dogs, the people that came in. the dogs, the people that came in they— the dogs, the people that came in they are _ the dogs, the people that came in. they are eating _ the dogs, the people that came

in. they are eating the - in. they are eating the accounts, _ in. they are eating the accounts, they- in. they are eating the accounts, they are - in. they are eating the i accounts, they are eating in. they are eating the - accounts, they are eating the pacts — accounts, they are eating the pacts of — accounts, they are eating the pacts of the _ accounts, they are eating the pacts of the people _ accounts, they are eating the pacts of the people of- accounts, they are eating the pacts of the people of the - pacts of the people of the people _ pacts of the people of the peopte that _ pacts of the people of the people that live _ pacts of the people of the people that live there - pacts of the people of the people that live there —— i pacts of the people of the - people that live there —— they are eating _ people that live there —— they are eating the _ people that live there —— they are eating the cat, _ people that live there —— they are eating the cat, they- people that live there —— they are eating the cat, they are l are eating the cat, they are eating _ are eating the cat, they are eating the _ are eating the cat, they are eating the pets. _ are eating the cat, they are eating the pets. this- is what is happening in our country _ is what is happening in our country rh— is what is happening in our count . �* is what is happening in our country-— country. a sparky hundred minutes — country. a sparky hundred minutes of— country. a sparky hundred minutes of debate - country. a sparky hundred minutes of debate and - country. a sparky hundred i minutes of debate and plenty country. a sparky hundred - minutes of debate and plenty to analyse. let's return now to my colleague sumi somaskanda in philadelphia. thank you, and certainly plenty to analyse and plenty more clips to listen to. let's talk talkjoining me now is north america correspondent anthony zurcher. the spin room is right next door, but first of all, this is a very different debate than what we saw injune 27 withjoe biden. it what we saw in june 27 with joe biden. ., ~ . ., what we saw in june 27 with joe biden. . ~ , . , . biden. it makes a difference when both — biden. it makes a difference when both participants - biden. it makes a difference when both participants can l biden. it makes a difference - when both participants can make arguments and defend them. i think it was a really interesting to see how kamala harris's strategy from the get go was to go to donald trump into topics and areas he didn't want to be on, talking about his crowd size and hitting him

on foreign leaders laughing at him and time and time again she got him on the defensive on areas where kamala harris may have been weak like immigration and the economy. and on the issues where kamala harris was the strongest like abortion she was able to go on the attack. of a debate is won and lost on the train on which the debate is held on taking advantage of your strengths and deflecting weaknesses, it was a very good night for kamala harris. hagar night for kamala harris. how was the night _ night for kamala harris. how was the night for _ night for kamala harris. how was the night for donald - night for kamala harris. how was the night for donald trump? the campaign said he put out a masterful performance and had one. i masterful performance and had one. ~' masterful performance and had one. ~ , , one. i think both sides will claim victory _ one. i think both sides will claim victory but _ one. i think both sides will claim victory but it - one. i think both sides will claim victory but it would i one. i think both sides will. claim victory but it would be hard for donald trump's i do feel good about what happened tonight because harris did come in with weaknesses, areas where the polls show that voters have real questions about her on the economy, on the administration's handling of afghanistan and immigration and donald trump was never able to push those attacks home. he seemed to get caught up in defending himself and the crowd

sizes and defending his record on civil rights. it sucked him into responses that in time he could have been using to really land rhetorical blows on kamala harris. ~ �* ., ., , land rhetorical blows on kamala harris. �* . . i, harris. we've already seen onfine harris. we've already seen online on _ harris. we've already seen online on twitter - harris. we've already seen online on twitter so - harris. we've already seen online on twitter so much | online on twitter so much criticism of the debate moderators from republicans saying that they only fact checked donald trump and that their questions and fact checking were bias. will this be a big issue?— be a big issue? that is something _ be a big issue? that is something they - be a big issue? that is something they will i be a big issue? that is i something they will talk be a big issue? that is - something they will talk about because when there were questions, when the moderators did push back it usually was on things donald trump said not on things donald trump said not on things kamala harris said. i'm sure the democrats will say thatis sure the democrats will say that is because what donald trump says was so clearly out of the bounds of the truth that he needed to be fact checked on that but that was something that but that was something that the republicans will be able to point to and show instances of time and again where they were able to push back and says not exactly true or something that you said which is not exactly accurate. i think they have a legitimate

grievance when you weigh those two on either side. just grievance when you weigh those two on either side.— two on either side. just very ruickl , two on either side. just very quickly. were _ two on either side. just very quickly, were there - two on either side. just very quickly, were there any - two on either side. just very j quickly, were there any viral moments that stood out to you? i think there is on abortion, kamala harris did a really good job of making a personal and turning that into something where she was communicating directly with the american people because it is an area where the polls showed she has an advantage on donald trump and donald trump's answer was not that focused. so i think that will be a moment gets played time and time again by the democrats.— played time and time again by the democrats. thanks for the ra - id the democrats. thanks for the rapid analysis. _ the democrats. thanks for the rapid analysis. back _ the democrats. thanks for the rapid analysis. back to - the democrats. thanks for the rapid analysis. back to you - the democrats. thanks for the rapid analysis. back to you in l rapid analysis. back to you in the studio. let's get an early first thought from our panel. joining me in the dc studio is rodney davis, former republican congressman from illinois with the chamber of commerce — and stephanie murphy, former democratic congresswoman from florida. just want to get your hot takes about the debate tonight. what was kamal�*s harris performance tonight? it was kamal's harris performance toniaht? ., . ., was kamal's harris performance toniaht? ., ., . was kamal's harris performance toniaht? ., . , ~ tonight? it was a bit like watching _ tonight? it was a bit like watching a _ tonight? it was a bit like

watching a split - tonight? it was a bit like watching a split screen l tonight? it was a bit like l watching a split screen as harris felt like the politicians of the pre—2015 donald trump descending on the escalator, a politician of seriousness and dignity, even if you did not agree with her policy and donald trump was much more of the kind of politics of personality and performative politics that have become more pervasive in our politics. it's a bit exhausting which is why think for her, she got under his skin, allowed him to demonstrate to the american people that he cares more about himself than necessary them, and on his party failed to land some of the harder hits or lean into her vulnerabilities and he did not get a gotcha moment and for those independent voters who might not have sat through all 100 minutes of it like we adjusted, they will be watching the outtakes —— like we just did. and without that you cannot say who ran away with it, so i think she did really

well in this performance. rodney, your view? i well in this performance. rodney, your view?- well in this performance. rodney, your view? i am not joe biden and _ rodney, your view? i am not joe biden and i— rodney, your view? i am not joe biden and i am _ rodney, your view? i am not joe biden and i am not— rodney, your view? i am not joe biden and i am not donald - biden and i am not donald trump. _ biden and i am not donald trump, that is one that will -et trump, that is one that will get some _ trump, that is one that will get some airplay after this debate _ get some airplay after this debate coverage tonight. she won on— debate coverage tonight. she won on the facts, she baited him — won on the facts, she baited him mercilessly. to the point where — him mercilessly. to the point where even though the mics were cut off, _ where even though the mics were cut off, both of them, more so president _ cut off, both of them, more so president trump, wanted to engage _ president trump, wanted to engage in what she was saying and when _ engage in what she was saying and when you are in the debate and when you are in the debate and you — and when you are in the debate and you are reacting to your opponent, you are losing. this was _ opponent, you are losing. this was a — opponent, you are losing. this was a complete 180 degrees turnaround from the glee fullness from republicans just a few — fullness from republicans just a few short months ago when president biden debated president biden debated president trump. she did exactly— president trump. she did exactly what she had to do. she explained — exactly what she had to do. she explained to the american people _ explained to the american people where she stood on issues _ people where she stood on issues and she was very prepared. she did exactly what i prepared. she did exactly what i believe — prepared. she did exactly what i believe her handlers wanted her to— i believe her handlers wanted her to do— i believe her handlers wanted her to do by hiding her from

having — her to do by hiding her from having media interviews and being — having media interviews and being able to get clips that could — being able to get clips that could show she really wasn't grasping _ could show she really wasn't grasping the issues. because if you took— grasping the issues. because if you look tonight, this is a vice — you look tonight, this is a vice president harris who has successfully in this debate watked _ successfully in this debate walked away from responsibility of the _ walked away from responsibility of the failures of the biden administration and has made herself— administration and has made herself seem much more presidential. as herself seem much more presidential.— herself seem much more residential. , , presidential. as a republican, are ou presidential. as a republican, are you disappointed - presidential. as a republican, are you disappointed in - presidential. as a republican, are you disappointed in how. are you disappointed in how donald trump performed tonight? very much so. i thinking —— i think— very much so. i thinking —— i think it — very much so. i thinking —— i think it was _ very much so. i thinking —— i think it was very much reactive, he did not prepare and — reactive, he did not prepare and he _ reactive, he did not prepare and he should have listened to those — and he should have listened to those helping them prepare for the debate that i think it was over— the debate that i think it was over confident coming into the debate — over confident coming into the debate and clearly, in my opinion, _ debate and clearly, in my opinion, did not have as much a grasp— opinion, did not have as much a grasp on— opinion, did not have as much a grasp on the facts on the questions themselves. it was much — questions themselves. it was much more reactive than proactive, which is where you want — proactive, which is where you want to— proactive, which is where you want to be _ proactive, which is where you want to be in a debate. and the moderators _ want to be in a debate. and the moderators fact _ want to be in a debate. and the moderators fact checked - want to be in a debate. and the moderators fact checked him i moderators fact checked him quite frequently. donald trump. well, it's always interesting when — well, it's always interesting when you get fact checked by the moderators, yes, and in the

end i_ the moderators, yes, and in the end i don't— the moderators, yes, and in the end i don't think anybody will be looking at what the moderators did. they will be talking — moderators did. they will be talking about the debate performance between president trump _ performance between president trump and vice president harris _ trump and vice president harris. she clearly had a better— harris. she clearly had a better grasp of the facts. she had a — better grasp of the facts. she had a better grasp of some of theissues had a better grasp of some of the issues trump campaign has been _ the issues trump campaign has been touting and pushed him into discussing areas of concern _ into discussing areas of concern and issues that were not comfortable for him. and that— not comfortable for him. and that was— not comfortable for him. and that was a big win for her tonight~ _ that was a big win for her toniaht. ., , ., that was a big win for her tonight-— that was a big win for her toniaht. ., , ., . ,, . tonight. lots to unpack and we will aet tonight. lots to unpack and we will get into — tonight. lots to unpack and we will get into it _ tonight. lots to unpack and we will get into it shortly - tonight. lots to unpack and we will get into it shortly but - will get into it shortly but let's go back to philadelphia for the moment. thanks, really interesting analysis in washington and we will have more of that. washington and we will have more of that. just talking to members of donald trump steam, how do you feel how he has done quite smart first, thank you for having me and i'm talking with people on the campaign and they feel he

did well and he made the case. that harris is extremely liberal and some feel he could have been more forceful but he did not hit that mark but they certainly felt he made the case that kamala harris is a san francisco liberal that is out trying —— outside the mainstream of american what i noticed about harris, what she didn't do, is expand her coalition to the biden coalition to the biden coalition and i don't think the debate the did that and i don't think this debate paid into her overwhelmingly liberal, certainly liberal under positions are what they arc. you cannot come from san francisco and claim you are mainstream but at the end of the day the debate doesn't matter much. people who thought president trump was going to be baited by harris into making mistakes into insulting are walking away disappointed because he did not insult and if memory serves me, harris was the most insulting one. her voice at the beginning was shaky and somewhat condescending and she looked very small compared to president trump, just on the optics of things, i think the

first 15 minutes were good for president trump but i think the remainderjust walked into a wash. i can't remember any magic moment other than president trump telling her to shush when she spoke under the mic but harris did not have the moment where she could say here is the crazy chaotic manner of 2016 and 2020 and i don't think the moment existed. i 2016 and 2020 and i don't think the moment existed.— 2016 and 2020 and i don't think the moment existed. i will come back to a few — the moment existed. i will come back to a few of _ the moment existed. i will come back to a few of your _ the moment existed. i will come back to a few of your points - the moment existed. i will come back to a few of your points on l back to a few of your points on body language and so on but first i want to ask you about the points made about donald trump not being baited. wejust talk to our correspondent who thought that she was really able to do that and goad him on things like crowd size and vladimir putin eating him for lunch. we seem to get visibly angry. you say he handled that well. ., , . . . well. the words are what matter in that response _ well. the words are what matter in that response and _ well. the words are what matter in that response and he - well. the words are what matter in that response and he didn't i in that response and he didn't have a response, and he made a face and he moved on and he responded in a way that the media are expected with some type of insoles or theatrics and we'd be talking about that by the fact we are not talking

about a reaction from president trump is a win. people will have been looking at the president for a number of years and dare i say he was presidential and he stood in the boundaries of the debate and made his case about his presidency had made the case about her presidency without the insult and chaos that people see and if the american people see and if the american people see and if the american people see that president trump for the next four years then he will probably the best president we have seen in a long time. president we have seen in a long time-— long time. you talked a lot about body _ long time. you talked a lot about body language - long time. you talked a lot about body language and l long time. you talked a lot about body language and i | long time. you talked a lot - about body language and i want to talk about it because at the beginning of the debate you saw kamala harris walk out in front of the lactone and donald trump went behind and she went out to shake his hand and it seemed to be an awkward moment because donald trump was not prepared to shake her hand. he also did not look over at her and she was looking at him throughout the debate. what do you think of that? i the debate. what do you think of that? ~' . . of that? i think the challenge the harris — of that? i think the challenge the harris campaign - of that? i think the challenge the harris campaign has - of that? i think the challenge the harris campaign has and | the harris campaign has and also with her kid —sized podium, everything is small with harris, she is five foot four and he is six foot three, and if you look at this stage

she looks like a mini version of a president and trump with his full size looks like a president. she is standing next to him. it's not the image you want of an american prisoners —— of an american president to display strength to look so diminutive. we talked as a borders, she didn't want her to shake and so they could keep distance on the shoulder height disparity. we've never have president this short before and on the world stage we are used to having presidents over six foot tall. , . , foot tall. does it really matter— foot tall. does it really matter kamala - foot tall. does it really matter kamala harrisl foot tall. does it really| matter kamala harris is foot tall. does it really - matter kamala harris is short and that she is prosecuting for america? . �* , and that she is prosecuting for america? ,, �* , . ,, and that she is prosecuting for america? ,, �*, . ,, ..,, america? she's making the case everything _ america? she's making the case everything is _ america? she's making the case everything is ok _ america? she's making the case everything is ok and _ america? she's making the case everything is ok and 0k - america? she's making the case everything is ok and 0k she - america? she's making the case everything is ok and 0k she is l everything is ok and 0k she is prosecuting, the last three years were good and we've just got to make a little tweak to make it better. the last three years have sucked for the american people. it has been crap and they have extended their credit to pay the bills and soul stuff. the last three and soul stuff. the last three and a half years under president biden has been terrible, so she is not made the case that i will make it better. she made the case we

will go down the same road and go faster and a more liberal approach. go faster and a more liberal approach-— go faster and a more liberal a. roach. ,, ., ., g ., approach. she said i am not joe biden and _ approach. she said i am not joe biden and you _ approach. she said i am not joe biden and you are _ approach. she said i am not joe biden and you are not - approach. she said i am not joe biden and you are not run - biden and you are not run againstjoe biden. biden and you are not run against joe biden.- biden and you are not run against joe biden. she's more liberal than _ against joe biden. she's more liberal than joe _ against joe biden. she's more liberal than joe biden. - against joe biden. she's more liberal than joe biden. he - against joe biden. she's morej liberal than joe biden. he was liberal thanjoe biden. he was a moderate. everybody knew him as a moderate that kamala harris is a san francisco liberal with dangerously liberal with dangerously liberal policies and one of them is mandatory gun buy—back. that is a value... but we didn't talk about that. it’s didn't talk about that. it's bein: didn't talk about that. it's being talked _ didn't talk about that. it�*s being talked about in the paid media advertising and that's where you see the disconnect from the new york times where everybody said harris was running away from the race and resetting and then the pole came back and said kamala harris is viewed as the most extreme canada. you saw it on tv she tried to perpetrate president trump is extreme to reverse the trend that people have that you look at the cnn poll and the new york times poll, the american electorate think she is too extreme to be president and is trying to change and i don't think the debate changed it.

do you think there was a clear winner? it do you think there was a clear winner? ., . do you think there was a clear winner? . , , , . ., do you think there was a clear winner? . , , , . . ., winner? it was 'ust such a low barto winner? it wasjust such a low bar to determine _ winner? it wasjust such a low bar to determine who - winner? it wasjust such a low bar to determine who the - winner? it wasjust such a low. bar to determine who the winner is in my view. the harris campaign set the bar, they generally believed president trump would be able to be dated and getting into this insulting exchange, that never happened so president trump past baba. i don't think resident trump executed the case as strongly as i could have, to showjust how liberal harris is, he could have talked about her position against the death penalty and i will tell you why the matter is, 911, you have victims of 9/11 seeking justice who are seeking justice for the family members who were killed, they are seeking the death penalty for the people responsible for 9/11. kamala harris's position as the da of san francisco and the attorney general, as senator and as vice president, she is against the death penalty, that's a problem. they will be at the _ penalty, that's a problem. they will be at the 9m _ penalty, that's a problem. they

will be at the 9/11 money - penalty, that's a problem. they will be at the 9/11 money a - will be at the 9/11 money a course and we will also see donald trump and his team there. �* . . donald trump and his team there. �* , , ., there. it's insulting to the victims and _ there. it's insulting to the victims and their- there. it's insulting to the j victims and their surviving families, they wantjustice and kamala harris will not give them justice. bill kamala harris will not give them justice.— kamala harris will not give them justice. them 'ustice. all right, thank so them justice. all right, thank so much for _ them justice. all right, thank so much forjoining _ them justice. all right, thank so much forjoining us. - them justice. all right, thank so much forjoining us. all. so much forjoining us. all right, and i think we havejd vance speaking to reporters in the spin room, let's see if we can listen in right now. he has been crystal — can listen in right now. he has been crystal clear _ can listen in right now. he has been crystal clear on - can listen in right now. he has been crystal clear on that. - can listen in right now. he has been crystal clear on that. i i been crystal clear on that. i think— been crystal clear on that. i think it _ been crystal clear on that. i think it is _ been crystal clear on that. i think it is ridiculous that the democrats are saying donald trump — democrats are saying donald trump wants to take your fertility — trump wants to take your fertility treatment away when in reality... the policies have been — in reality... the policies have been a — in reality... the policies have been a nightmare. they have been — been a nightmare. they have been trying to scare americans with— been trying to scare americans with promises and threats.

inaudiblejd inaudible jd vance there, inaudiblejd vance there, the republican party's by spurs pick talking to reporters in the spin room, which is full of surrogates and supporters from both candidates, coming out now after the debate to tell their version of how they feel proceedings went. of course, we have been watching for an hour and a0 minutes of the debate here on bbc news, we have been watching the abc news us presidential debate where vice presidential candidate —— vice president, harris and former president donald trump have been squaring up. they cast in the economy, abortion, immigration during what was a pivotal televised abc news debate and it was the first time the two had ever met face—to—face. it's been a historic debate between the pair and the battleground state

of pennsylvania. one of the seven battleground states that both kamala harris and donald trump are eager to win. and they clashed on a number of issues that matter to voters including their respective stances on immigration, abortion, the economy, cost of living, the war in gaza support for ukraine and the fight against russia and was the first time they had squared off in what has already been unprecedented election cycle, just 75 days since the last debate, and there has been many historic events happened since then. the contentious exchanges between the pair led to a memorable night. so let's have a listen now to some of those moments. a listen now to some of those moments-— moments. donald trump has already had _ moments. donald trump has already had successful - already had successful diplomacy. he left us the worst unemployment since the great depression. donald trump that does _ depression. donald trump that does the — depression. donald trump that does the worst public health epidemic in a century. donald trump — epidemic in a century. donald

trump left us the worst attack on our— trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the civil— on our democracy since the civil war _ on our democracy since the civil war. and what we have done — civil war. and what we have done is _ civil war. and what we have done is clean—up donald trump's mess: _ done is clean—up donald trump's mess, what— done is clean—up donald trump's mess, what we have done what i intend _ mess, what we have done what i intend to — mess, what we have done what i intend to do is build on what we now— intend to do is build on what we now are the aspirations and the hopes— we now are the aspirations and the hopes of the american people _ the hopes of the american eo - le. �* . the hopes of the american --eole. �* , ., the hopes of the american --eole. �*, ., the hopes of the american --eole. fl ., ., the hopes of the american --eole. v ., ,.~'., ., people. let's go back over to philadelphia _ people. let's go back over to philadelphia to _ people. let's go back over to philadelphia to sue _ people. let's go back over to philadelphia to sue me. - philadelphia to sue me. all right, thank you so much. great to listen to those clips again and jonny may is republican congressman baron dodds of florida. how did you enjoy the debate and how did you think donald trump performed? i you think donald trump performed?— performed? i think the president _ performed? i think the president was - performed? i think the| president was focused, performed? i think the - president was focused, he did a greatjob tonight. he was locked in on the key issues facing our nation. inflation, border security, facing our nation. inflation, bordersecurity, immigration, foreign policy and really how you bring back energy which we needin you bring back energy which we need in our country. it was focused on those issues, he did a tremendous job. if you look at how the debate played - a tremendous job. if you look at how the debate played out| at how the debate played out over the night, they touched on

a number of policy issues. what stuck out to you in this debate and where do you think donald trump performed best? actually what stuck _ trump performed best? actually what stuck out _ trump performed best? actually what stuck out to _ trump performed best? actually what stuck out to me _ trump performed best? actually what stuck out to me more - trump performed best? actually what stuck out to me more than | what stuck out to me more than anything was the fact that kamala harris spent 90 minutes attacking donald trump. she dodged every major policy issue in this debate. the number one question was, do you think americans are better off today than they were four years ago? she didn't answer. she dodged it completely and started talking about her opportunity economy, where there is no details in the words she is saying. but to question about donald trump to be his most effective talking about the terrible job that the harris biden administration did with respect to afghanistan and with respect to afghanistan and with respect to afghanistan and with respect to inflation. they created two major crises our nation faces and they take no responsibility for it.— responsibility for it. kamala harris in — responsibility for it. kamala harris in answering - responsibility for it. kamala harris in answering that - harris in answering that question about her americans being better off talked about her policy plans for the future and talked about middle—class tax cuts and economic plan.

what do you make of that plan? first of all, she didn't address what her administration has done. she didn't address it, she is the deciding vote for the inflation reduction act and for the american rescue plan. it unleashed this inflation. she didn't talk about what they did to create inflation. she sidestepped all of it because the american people are suffering, not to a economic plan, which one do you want to talk about with my a plan to reconstruct 3 million homes? how will the federal government do that with mike they break down all of the environmental permits and all the environmental planning to make homes more affordable? she will not do that because her left—wing party will not her to do that. number two, when she talks about, which is on her plan, taxing unrealised gains, her own supporter mark cuban said it would destroy the stock market and he is right.- market and he is right. lower than present _ market and he is right. lower than present biden _ market and he is right. lower than present biden would - market and he is right. lower| than present biden would do? doesn't matter if you tax

unrealised gains, you will destroy the incentive to invest. ., . destroy the incentive to invest. . , . ,~ destroy the incentive to invest. . , . _ invest. he was asked by the moderators _ invest. he was asked by the moderators about _ invest. he was asked by the moderators about the - invest. he was asked by the moderators about the fact l invest. he was asked by the i moderators about the fact that terrorists at the level he is proposing would mean higher costs for the american people. —— tariffs at the level he is proposing. -- tariffs at the level he is proposing-— -- tariffs at the level he is --roosina. ,. , proposing. he explained very clearly that — proposing. he explained very clearly that everybody - proposing. he explained very clearly that everybody wants | proposing. he explained very l clearly that everybody wants to talk about his health policy but, harris and joe biden haven't changed it, they have kept it in place. so are you saying, are we now saying that it's bad because it but it's fine as fine as long as harris keeps it? number two, when he talks about tariff policy, it is because we know that there are trade deals that have been made in the history of the country that either not enforced, or other countries are manipulating the deals. the only way to get them to the table to play fair is batara also. ., . table to play fair is batara also. . . also. he was also asked about some of the — also. he was also asked about some of the statements - also. he was also asked about some of the statements he i also. he was also asked about| some of the statements he has made about harris's identity and about her racial identity and about her racial identity and he said, it doesn't matter to me, she said she was black

but she wasn't black. what do you think of what he said specifically on this topic? what he said is very clear, he doesn't care, doesn't matter to him and to be honest, it really is not an issue that matters to the american people. what does matter is what's going to be our economy looking like with mike in know what it will look like under donald trump, he already built an economy wants to make and build on again. you're kind of in the same place we were from president obama except for the massive 0bama except for the massive inflation. a stagnant economy, same place. energy production that should be massively higher, same place. and president ramos write about that, there's a balance by jobs, what do i mean by that? the economy was shut down during covid—i9, those of the job losses under the trump administration. when the economy starts opening up, people go back to work so you can't just take credit people go back to work so you can'tjust take credit because the economy reopened after covid—i9, which is what the harris biden administration has done but on top of that, they

just had a revision of newjobs in america down 818,000 jobs that they all recorded, that's the harris administration. i the harris administration. i don't ask about the voter base going forward. donald trump wants to expand his base in key states like this one, do you think he managed to do so with that performance? i think he managed to do so with that performance?— that performance? i do. even thou~h, that performance? i do. even though, harris _ that performance? i do. even though, harris spent - that performance? i do. even though, harris spent all- that performance? i do. even though, harris spent all her. though, harris spent all her attacking donald trump and that's what we saw, by the way we also saw the moderators trying to fact check him in real time, trying to fact check him in realtime, but trying to fact check him in real time, but they were repeatedly letting her lie multiple times through the debate. she lied a lot. throughout all of that, donald trump was focused on the issues that matter to the american people. inflation, securing our border, getting out of wars, actually having a foreign policy that makes sense. having a strong energy apparatus. that's what the american people care about, not the vibes are not whether she owned somebody, that stuff is fluff, doesn't

solve problems for the american people. solve problems for the american --eole. ., ~' ,, solve problems for the american --eole. ., ~ . solve problems for the american --eole. . ~' . ., people. thank you so much for 'oinin: people. thank you so much for joining us- _ people. thank you so much for joining us- all— people. thank you so much for joining us. all right, _ people. thank you so much for joining us. all right, and - people. thank you so much for joining us. all right, and i - joining us. all right, and i think we do have some news just posted on instagram, i believe, where taylor swift has made an announcement. i don't know if you can pull that up, let's see if we can. we don't have it yet, apologies for that. we will see if we have the democratic congresswoman from georgia. she isjoining us now, apologies. there is a lot of moving pieces here on the ground in philadelphia. very good to see you, think of a journey is to stop what did you think of kamala harris's debate performance tonight? presidential, one word. i saw the next president of the united states. and kamala harris will be a president for all american people, not democrats or republicans and not looking out for herself, as donald trump has shown us time and time again. that's exactly who he is and what he will do.

baron felt that donald trump brought multiple into this party point of this election, but what he actually did was continue to tell the same lies that he is told over and over again. my nine—year—old son texted me and said, donald trump is a liar, liar, pants on fire and that's what the american people saw. we saw him continuing to tell his lies where we saw, harassed —looking presidential on stage. uniting the country. —— wissa kamala harris looking presidential. taste harris looking presidential. we 'ust harris looking presidential. we just heard the point from the congressman from florida that he believed that the abc moderators fact checked donald trump a few times but didn't do so in kamala harris as he said issued falsehoods, what is your response? he issued falsehoods, what is your response?— response? he fact check lies and donald _ response? he fact check lies and donald trump _ response? he fact check lies and donald trump was - response? he fact check lies | and donald trump was lying, response? he fact check lies i and donald trump was lying, so he needed to be fact checked.

clearly, harris was expressing her views on her plans for this country were donald trump even said he didn't even have a plan. so he continued to spew the same lies. so there was no lies sent by kamala harris so what is there to fact check with mike but donald trump was called out for the lies he has told over and over again on the campaign trail. congresswoman, . uestion campaign trail. congresswoman, question about _ campaign trail. congresswoman, question about kamala - campaign trail. congresswoman, question about kamala harris i campaign trail. congresswoman, question about kamala harris is| question about kamala harris is mag policy position, she was asked about the fact she has changed her policy, she spoke briefly about fracking but do you think she's going to come across as authentic to voters, because she hasn't really addressed some of the policy positions tonight as well, but she changed her mind on. this she changed her mind on. as leader she changed her mind on. is leader of the she changed her mind on. sis leader of the country, you should be able to change your views when you have more information on when you see things in a different light. kamala harris has not changed her values, she has not changed or she is, but as we continue to get more information, and

she works with different groups, she will be a leader for this entire country, so she's listened to people in many different situations and how the issues impact them. so as a leader, you will not want someone so set in the viewpoint that they are not willing to hear both sides of an issue. that's who she has shown us she is, she's willing to the american people that will be impacted by her policies and that in no way changes the values and how she views this country, bringing everyone together and leading as a leader, but what it shows us is that she's willing to listen to people that have a different viewpoint, and make decisions moving forward that will benefit the greater good of all americans. benefit the greater good of all americans-— benefit the greater good of all americans. ., , , s, . . ,, americans. congresswoman, thank ou for americans. congresswoman, thank you forjoining _ americans. congresswoman, thank you forjoining us — americans. congresswoman, thank you forjoining us tonight _ americans. congresswoman, thank you forjoining us tonight on - you forjoining us tonight on bbc news, great to get your perspective. bbc news, great to get your perspective-— bbc news, great to get your| perspective._ let's perspective. thank you. let's head back — perspective. thank you. let's head back to _ perspective. thank you. let's head back to my _ perspective. thank you. let's head back to my colleague i head back to my colleague caitriona perry in the studio. thanks. i'mjoined now caitriona perry in the studio. thanks. i'm joined now by ros

atkins. thanks forjoining us for sojust want to atkins. thanks forjoining us for so just want to get your initial thoughts. you're watching the debate by the very fine toothed comb.— fine toothed comb. there was a lot coming _ fine toothed comb. there was a lot coming at — fine toothed comb. there was a lot coming at us. _ fine toothed comb. there was a lot coming at us. the _ lot coming at us. the moderators managed to work through a whole range of subjects from afghanistan to the economy, ukraine, international trade, whether the election results should be accepted, the israel gaza conflict, the list went on. we got a huge amount of information. the beginning was interesting with kamala harris initiating a handshake with donald trump, and through that 90 minutes it was very conspicuous that she was repeatedly looking at him and he was not looking at her. in the last few weeks we have heard a lot about how we want to hear more detail because kamala harris has been in the race for this time the donald trump and i don't think anyone can say we didn't get detail in those 90 minutes.— those 90 minutes. there had been a lot — those 90 minutes. there had been a lot of _ those 90 minutes. there had been a lot of rack— those 90 minutes. there had been a lot of rack and - those 90 minutes. there had been a lot of rack and forth l been a lot of rack and forth over the last few days about been a lot of rack and forth over the last few days about the rules of the format of this the rules of the format of this debate, meeting or unremitting debate, meeting or unremitting microphones, the length of the microphones, the length of the answers and so on, but we answers and so on, but we actually did get a bit of a actually did get a bit of a debate at the edge. i debate at the edge. i

actually did get a bit of a debate at the edge. i think we did to also _ actually did get a bit of a debate at the edge. i think we did to also _ debate at the edge. i think we did to also read _ debate at the edge. i think we did to also read those - did to also read those debate at the edge. i think we did to also read _ debate at the edge. i think we did to also read those - did to also read those concerned about the muted concerned about the muted microphone might mean that it microphone might mean that it was a bit staid, perhaps each was a bit staid, perhaps each candidate didn't have a chance candidate didn't have a chance to push back but i felt within to push back but i felt within the constraints of the format the constraints of the format there was space for both of there was space for both of them to expand, but also an them to expand, but also an opportunity notjust for them opportunity notjust for them opportunity not just for them to opportunity notjust for them to push back at each other but opportunity not just for them to opportunity notjust for them to push back at each other but we obviously saw a number of we obviously saw number of we obviously saw a number of fact checks from the abc hosts fact checks from the abc hosts as well, i know some as well, i know some republicans are not happy about john a lot of rack and forth republicans are the fact that most of the fact as well, i know some re;fact:ans are hots.--” .-.. as well, i know some rejfact thatare hots.--” .-.. as well, i know some rejfact that most 1l.--” .-.. as well, i know some re; fact that most of w-.. .-.. as well, i know some re; fact that most of the . .-.. as well, i know some re; fact that most of the fact . the fact that most of the fact checks were in the direction of checks were in the direction of donald trump. but for me, the donald trump. but for me, the format did allow for too and format did allow for too and fro and created some space for fro and created some space for both candidates to give us both candidates to give us detail and where they stood. detail and where they stood. speaking of fact checking, talk speaking of fact checking, talk is to some of the significant is to some of the significant points you have been looking points you have been looking at. b. a numberof different points you have been looking at. �* . points you have been looking at. �* , ., , at. a number of different thins at. a number of different things we _ at. a number of different things we could - at. a number of different thins at. a number of different things we _ at. a number of different things we could - at. a number of different things we could pull i at. a number of different things we could pull out, j at. a number of different i things we could pull out, just at. a number of different things we could pull i at. a number of different things we could pull out, j at. a number of different i things we could pull out, just to have it kamala harris again to have it kamala harris again made it clear she supports made it no fracking in certain circumstances, we know there is not a position she has always held, but she defended it and said she absolutely was willing to support it in certain circumstances. i was interested

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the moderators that there is no evidence of this, he said he had seen people on tv making the claim. one other one, donald trump said, we have millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails, from mental institutions and insane asylum is. there is no data to back up this claim. of the la million apprehensions of people crossing the border illegally in the year ending september 202a, when the border patrol were able to check databases, about ia,700 people had previous criminal convictions. so the data doesn't support what donald trump said. i should add there are more fact checks from bbc verify on the bbc�*s live page. checks from bbc verify on the bbc's live page.— bbc's live page. absolutely fascinating. _ bbc's live page. absolutely fascinating. we _ bbc's live page. absolutely fascinating. we will - bbc's live page. absolutely fascinating. we will talk i bbc's live page. absolutely fascinating. we will talk to | fascinating. we will talk to you later, thank you for that. for now, let's go back to philadelphia. all right, thank you, caitriona. really to see that fact checking and more on our

website of course. joining me now is democratic congresswoman veronica escobar of texas. we are to have with us. we were just speaking and you said you were pleased with kamala harris's performance, tell us why. harris's performance, tell us wh . r , , why. absolutely, she did exactly what _ why. absolutely, she did exactly what she - why. absolutely, she did exactly what she needed j why. absolutely, she did i exactly what she needed to do. she needed to show the american people and the american voter a contrast. why are the two candidates of different? also needed to make sure that she told the truth. we know donald lies, donald trump lies consistently. and she looked presidential. donald trump was on the run, she had him on the ropes. he was on defence the entire time. so she effectively won that debate. i entire time. so she effectively won that debate.— entire time. so she effectively won that debate. i want to ask about the _ won that debate. i want to ask about the closing _ won that debate. i want to ask about the closing statement . about the closing statement from president trump because i think it was one point that his campaign team wanted to drive home, namely, if kamala harris had all these plans for the economy and immigration and so on, why hasn't she done it in

the last three and a half years what is the response to that was yellow she was not president. she was at the heart of the administration she was the vice president over these last four years but she was not the leader of the free world. and if donald trump also thought he could do all the things that he said he was going to do, health care for example, he was asked very prominently, what was his plan on replacing the affordable care act? he said, i will get back to you on it, essentially. so he's not even prepared as a candidate. taste so he's not even prepared as a candidate-— candidate. we certainly talk about the — candidate. we certainly talk about the fact _ candidate. we certainly talk about the fact that, - candidate. we certainly talk about the fact that, we i candidate. we certainly talk| about the fact that, we have been talking about the fact that both campaigns have a very different view on how this debate proceeded, and we were discussing this before we came on camera of the fact the donald trump's payne said he delivered masterful performance and he won this debate, we are hearing the same from kamala harris's team. do you think it is clear to voters after watching 90 minutes of the

debate and who stands on the side? i debate and who stands on the side? ., . . . side? i do. i have faith that they reckon _ side? i do. i have faith that they reckon people - side? i do. i have faith that they reckon people saw- side? i do. i have faith that they reckon people saw the side? i do. i have faith that i they reckon people saw the same debate we saw. when we look back on the debate that president biden had several weeks ago, democrats were honest about how troubling that debate was. we had lots of internal discussions about it. we raise concerns about it. even president biden acknowledged that he didn't do that well. you will not hear the same level of honesty from the same level of honesty from the republican party.— the republican party. let's talk about _ the republican party. let's talk about immigration, i the republican party. let's talk about immigration, because he represent a border district and this has been one of the chief concerns of american voters, and we have seen a reduction in the number of people crossing the southern border because of the current executive order but in the first three and a half years of the biden—harris administration, record numbers enter the us, will this be a real worry for kamala harris? my real worry for kamala harris? my hope is that vice president

harris demonstrated very clearly that it was donald trump who told the united states congress to walk away from a border deal. at border deal was written in part by one of the most conservative senators in the united states congress. and donald trump even said, blame me, buti congress. and donald trump even said, blame me, but i don't want you to solve a joe biden, i would rather have a problem. i would rather have a problem. i will tell you, day one, the biden—harris administration gave congress a comprehensive immigration reform bill, we were not able to get that across the finish line. they then asked congress to do its job and create a border security bill. i am not a fan of executive orders, this is a conditional responsibility. legislating is ourjob. —— my congressional responsibility. but the vice resident ultimately had to issue the executive order. —— the vice president. it

executive order. -- the vice president-— executive order. -- the vice president. ., . president. it would allay some ofthe president. it would allay some of the concerns _ president. it would allay some of the concerns that _ president. it would allay some of the concerns that there i president. it would allay some of the concerns that there is l of the concerns that there is simply a secure border. she has talked about _ simply a secure border. she has talked about it _ simply a secure border. she has talked about it during _ simply a secure border. she has talked about it during her- talked about it during her rallies and she talked about it during her interview. she believes we can have both a secure border and a path to earned citizenship. and we can do that and we should do that. the problem is that in this congress, donald trump instructed that the republican party should walk away from a bipartisan deal. the republican party needs to stop listening to donald trump and it needs to start doing hisjob to donald trump and it needs to start doing his job and working with us in a bipartisan way to address the border and immigration.— address the border and immigration. address the border and immiaration. ., ., , immigration. coming into this debate, immigration. coming into this debate. the — immigration. coming into this debate, the election - immigration. coming into this debate, the election has - immigration. coming into this| debate, the election has really been on a knife edge, do you think at the end of the debate performance, anything that was set on stage will move the needle? i set on stage will move the needle? ., , set on stage will move the needle? , ,., set on stage will move the needle? .,, ,., .,, needle? i hope so. i hope because _ needle? i hope so. i hope because of— needle? i hope so. i hope because of that _ needle? i hope so. i hope because of that very - needle? i hope so. i hope because of that very cleari because of that very clear contrast, because of the fact

that kamala harris has a plan, donald trump has a grievance, kamala harris looks to the future, donald trump wants to take us backwards into the past, but that will move some voters, but i will tell you, it will notjust come down to the debate. all of us who are members of the campaign team know it's going to continue to take hard work. we have to continue to earn every vote out there, fight for every american, make sure having those conversations and work as hard as possible leading up to election day so that we can win. . , election day so that we can win. ., , election day so that we can win. ., win. the harris campaign say the are win. the harris campaign say they are the _ win. the harris campaign say they are the underdogs, - win. the harris campaign say they are the underdogs, i - win. the harris campaign say i they are the underdogs, i want to ask you about the policy changes, we have seen from vice president harris, we spoke to the congresswoman and she said i want my lady to be able to change their mind but the moderators pointed out a number of positions where kamala harris changed her mind on policy, she has really addressed a lot of them, will there be a problem? you know,

my perspeetive. _ there be a problem? you know, my perspective, especially - there be a problem? you know, my perspective, especially as i there be a problem? you know, my perspective, especially as a | my perspective, especially as a legislator, is that there is growth that comes with experience, there is evolution that comes with time, and i certainly don't have some of the same positions i had four years ago or eight years ago, ten years ago, especially given the shifting nature of the challenges that we face. when you look at donald trump for example, who one day expresses pride in the fact that he killed roe v wade, that he nominated and had appointed the supreme court that eliminated a woman's right to reproductive freedom and then the next day says, but women can trust me, and believe me when i say... different. having seen someone evolve and change over time versus having someone talk out of both sides of the mouth

within a week.— of both sides of the mouth within a week. two radically different notions. _ within a week. two radically different notions. i - within a week. two radically different notions. i trust - different notions. i trust kamala _ different notions. i trust kamala harris. - different notions. i trust kamala harris. in - different notions. i trust kamala harris. injust- different notions. i trust - kamala harris. injust about 15 secondsif kamala harris. injust about 15 seconds if i may, what do you think is the biggest challenge that she will have? we think is the biggest challenge that she will have?— think is the biggest challenge that she will have? we have to 'ust kee that she will have? we have to just keep talking _ that she will have? we have to just keep talking to _ that she will have? we have to just keep talking to voters, - that she will have? we have to just keep talking to voters, we i just keep talking to voters, we have short runway, a lot more voters to talk to, it's a super close election, a lot of work ahead. ., u, close election, a lot of work ahead. ., ,_, ., ~ ahead. veronica escobar, thank ou for ahead. veronica escobar, thank you forjoining _ ahead. veronica escobar, thank you forjoining us _ ahead. veronica escobar, thank you forjoining us here - ahead. veronica escobar, thank you forjoining us here on - ahead. veronica escobar, thank you forjoining us here on bbc. you forjoining us here on bbc news, great to get your perspective. and that has been our coverage so far and as the congresswoman said, looking at both sides of the campaign, they will have very different takes on how the debate ended up takes on how the debate ended up on who won the debate keep to our viewers who have been watching on pbs. you're watching our continuing coverage here on bbc news. john sudworth watched the debate with union workers in michigan. i would love to hear how those union workers watch this debate and what they thought. you

union workers watch this debate and what they thought.- and what they thought. you can robabl and what they thought. you can probably see — and what they thought. you can probably see the _ and what they thought. you can probably see the chairs - and what they thought. you can probably see the chairs and - probably see the chairs and tables behind me, very empty now but a few moments ago there was a crowd in here watching the debate on the big screen. we are in the suburbs of detroit, obviously this is a key swing state, but this is also a key swing county. what happens in places like this could very well end up deciding the election or at least being one of the places that decides this election. so what these voters think really matters. let's bring injoe, who is a uaw man, who was organising the event tonight, going to have you with us. the uaw has swung its support behind kamala harris, a lot of the workers tonight, we could hear them cheering for some of the points she was making. clearly, you were hoping he would put in a good showing, do you think she

won it tonight?— won it tonight? absolutely, i thouuht won it tonight? absolutely, i thought she _ won it tonight? absolutely, i thought she looked - won it tonight? absolutely, i thought she looked very - thought she looked very presidential, she looked like the clear and present winner. the _ the clear and present winner. the points she made her content and they— the points she made her content and they had body. stuff that trump — and they had body. stuff that trump was saying, we have all heard — trump was saying, we have all heard him _ trump was saying, we have all heard him saying those things before, — heard him saying those things before, i_ heard him saying those things before, i didn't have the body that— before, i didn't have the body that vice _ before, i didn't have the body that vice president harris did, absolutely. that vice president harris did, absolutely-— absolutely. your workers are ke to absolutely. your workers are key to this — absolutely. your workers are key to this election, - key to this election, particularly so in this state, it's a big car manufacturing state and has been traditionally, still nothing like it used to be but still a lot of those jobs around. and yet at the same time, have picked up that things are shifting a little, some of the members are uncertain about the union is mike backing for kamala harris, we know there were a few we spoke to who were leaning towards trump. what's going on, why do you think some of your members are out of step with the position of leadership are taking? i with the position of leadership are taking?— are taking? i think it's the rhetoric — are taking? i think it's the rhetoric that _ are taking? i think it's the rhetoric that i _ are taking? i think it's the rhetoric that i think - are taking? i think it's the rhetoric that i think it's i are taking? i think it's the | rhetoric that i think it's the stuff— rhetoric that i think it's the stuff he's talking about, the guns. — stuff he's talking about, the guns, obviously in michigan and even _ guns, obviously in michigan and even in — guns, obviously in michigan and even in this country guns are a

bil even in this country guns are a big issue _ even in this country guns are a big issue i_ even in this country guns are a big issue. iwas even in this country guns are a big issue. i was consider it is three — big issue. i was consider it is three things that divide voters. _ three things that divide voters, especially blue—collar voters. — voters, especially blue—collar voters. it _ voters, especially blue—collar voters, it is god, guns and gains _ voters, it is god, guns and gains. that's a very decisive issue — gains. that's a very decisive issue it _ gains. that's a very decisive issue. it divides her working families— issue. it divides her working families and when it comes to issues — families and when it comes to issues like that, people, even my family— issues like that, people, even my family are going towards donald — my family are going towards donald trump that are union members, my own family that are union— members, my own family that are union members, he speaks to them, — union members, he speaks to them, he _ union members, he speaks to them, he knows what they want to hear— them, he knows what they want to hear and obviously, the gun issue _ to hear and obviously, the gun issue and _ to hear and obviously, the gun issue and the border crisis. that— issue and the border crisis. that is— issue and the border crisis. that is something, doesn't affect— that is something, doesn't affect us— that is something, doesn't affect us in michigan, it's mostty— affect us in michigan, it's mostly for texas, california obviously, new mexico, arizona. the border— obviously, new mexico, arizona. the border issue right now is not a — the border issue right now is not a problem for us in michigan, we care about the economy. michigan, we care about the economy-— michigan, we care about the econom . ~ ., ., ., economy. amazing to hear, as ou economy. amazing to hear, as you say. _ economy. amazing to hear, as you say. these _ economy. amazing to hear, as you say, these sorts _ economy. amazing to hear, as you say, these sorts of - economy. amazing to hear, asj you say, these sorts of voters, union members, used to be considered staunch democrat territory. you are a union man, your own family members are

going to trump?— your own family members are going to trump? correct. a lot of times. _ going to trump? correct. a lot of times. my _ going to trump? correct. a lot of times, my father's - going to trump? correct. a lot| of times, my father's brothers, my uncles— of times, my father's brothers, my uncles and my father himself, the older they get the more _ himself, the older they get the more conservative to get, they are worried about their pension, but pensions and social— pension, but pensions and social security was brought to us by — social security was brought to us by the _ social security was brought to us by the union. the unions fought— us by the union. the unions fought for— us by the union. the unions fought for that so that's why it's important, just like joe biden_ it's important, just like joe biden always says, you work with— biden always says, you work with you _ biden always says, you work with you came with. dinner tables must be kind of interesting around at your house. ~ . , interesting around at your house. ~ ., , , ., house. was horrible, it is a oint house. was horrible, it is a point that _ house. was horrible, it is a point that i _ house. was horrible, it is a point that i don't _ house. was horrible, it is a point that i don't like - house. was horrible, it is a point that i don't like to - house. was horrible, it is a | point that i don't like to talk to them during election time because it is such a divisive topic, it is really hard. i am worried about getting the votes in the middle ground, guys like my children that are in college right now, 18—year—old, 19—year—old, i think it's going to come down to younger voters and women. to come down to younger voters and women-— and women. and can i ask you about that _

and women. and can i ask you about that because _ and women. and can i ask you about that because we - and women. and can i ask you about that because we have i and women. and can i ask you i about that because we have been travelling in michigan the last couple of days, we know it is a swing state, i've been surprised byjust how many people in the demographic that you would think would lean democrat are telling us that they are going donald trump. young people in particular. are you worried that the democrats might not have this? it’s might not have this? it's alwa s might not have this? it's always anaemic - might not have this? it's always anaemic the - might not have this? it�*s always anaemic the back of my mind. ithought always anaemic the back of my mind. i thought we had it in the bag when trump first ran for president and we ended up losing it. hillary clinton didn't campaign in michigan at all. she didn't campaign in wisconsin at all. he was filling auditoriums and he was creating a buzz and excitement during his first campaign, so it is scary. we have a lot on the line and like you said before, this county is a hotbed for this election, it is going to be won or lost by michigan and this county.— to be won or lost by michigan and this county. you so much for talking — and this county. you so much for talking to _ and this county. you so much for talking to us, _ and this county. you so much for talking to us, really - for talking to us, really appreciated. one of big issues of course in the debate was a

discussion about tariffs. that is an issue that a lot of auto workers believe trump is right on, in fact the union itself is firmly behind the idea of tariffs so really interesting issues and a lot for workers in the state to consider after listening to the debate tonight. listening to the debate toniaht. . , , tonight. really interesting conversation _ tonight. really interesting conversation indeed, - tonight. really interesting| conversation indeed, thank tonight. really interesting - conversation indeed, thank you so much for that and just to give viewers a little bit of a sense, there is a bit of commotion behind me, we don't really have the pictures but donald trump has actually entered the press file centre and the spin room has i think we do actually have pictures, you can see a huge, huge crowd of reporters, i think our reporters have tried to move in a little bit closer to president trump to see what he is saying, hear what he is saying. as you can see how pictures, we can see just the very back of donald trump's head but obviously unusual the candidate himself has come right to the press centre here and he is surrounded as you can see how by reporter. we are going to try to listen and if we can.

inaudible we can't hear much of that, can we? all right, it looks like we can't really how much of that, apologies for that. we were trying to listening to what donald trump is a as you can see just absolutely mobbed by reporters via. we have also seen rfkjunior, the former third—party candidate who dropped out of the race and has now endorsed donald trump, he has now been surrounded by reporters here in the spin room but we will keep an eye on that and see if we can hear anything that donald trump is saying it for now we will head back to katrina in the studio.- katrina in the studio. thank ou, katrina in the studio. thank you. want _ katrina in the studio. thank you. want to _ katrina in the studio. thank you, want to go _ katrina in the studio. thank you, want to go back- katrina in the studio. thank you, want to go back to - katrina in the studio. thank you, want to go back to the j you, want to go back to the news we shared with your little earlier just news we shared with your little earlierjust to make the last half hour or so, pop superstar taylor swift has endorsed kamala harris for president, in a post to her 283 million instagram followers she said i will be casting my vote for kamala harris and tim walz in the 2024 presidential election.

i'm voting for kamala harris because she fights for the rights and causes i believe need a warrior to champion them. i believe she has a steady hand a gifted leader and i believe we can accomplish much more in this country if we are led by kam and not chaos. joining me here in studio are our trusty panel, rodney davis former republican congress and from illinois and stephanie murphy from florida. that taylor swift news first, her endorsement has been hotly awaited for months now, what impact will that have?- impact will that have? well, i know the _ impact will that have? well, i know the one _ impact will that have? well, i know the one impact - impact will that have? well, i know the one impact it - impact will that have? well, i know the one impact it will i know the one impact it will haveis know the one impact it will have is on voter registration because we have known that in the past, when she puts a call out to encourage people to vote, there have been significant spikes in voter registration. i think two 2018 about 65 million new voters registered to vote after an instagram post, not too dissimilarfrom instagram post, not too dissimilar from that. instagram post, not too dissimilarfrom that. but doesn't affect the actual outcome an election? it is not

yet proven. in 2018 and i'm sure in other elections, the candidates that she preferred didn't actually prevail, but i think what is good is that she is engaging a younger generation, groups of people who hadn't previously been registered, to register and participate in their democracy and that is healthy no matter who wins. and that is healthy no matter who wins-— and that is healthy no matter who wins. ,, ., , . who wins. she posted a picture of herself— who wins. she posted a picture of herself holding _ who wins. she posted a picture of herself holding a _ who wins. she posted a picture of herself holding a cat - who wins. she posted a picture of herself holding a cat and - of herself holding a cat and signed it off taylor swift, childish lady and also referenced ai showing what she called herfake endorsement referenced ai showing what she called her fake endorsement of donald trump so will this impact the trump campaign or people who might have voted for him? ~ �* ., ., ., ., , him? we're going to have to see if olls him? we're going to have to see if polls will— him? we're going to have to see if polls will reflect _ him? we're going to have to see if polls will reflect that. - if polls will reflect that. there _ if polls will reflect that. there is a huge gender gap right— there is a huge gender gap right now and support for president trump and the support for vice — president trump and the support for vice president harris so in the end — for vice president harris so in the end of— for vice president harris so in the end of taylor swift's endorsement can help close that gender— endorsement can help close that gender gap then you might see some _ gender gap then you might see some positive movement, but i

am a _ some positive movement, but i am a raiders fan. she wears a chiefs— am a raiders fan. she wears a chiefs jersey. am a raiders fan. she wears a chiefsjersey. probably not chiefs jersey. probably not going _ chiefsjersey. probably not going to make me want to support— going to make me want to support vice president harris and her— support vice president harris and her team, support vice president harris and herteam, and in the end, it is— and herteam, and in the end, it isan— and herteam, and in the end, it is an endorsement. there are plenty— it is an endorsement. there are plenty of— it is an endorsement. there are plenty of endorsements that come — plenty of endorsements that come for each candidate and do they— come for each candidate and do they really make a difference? i don't — they really make a difference? i don't know. but, somebody with— i don't know. but, somebody with a — i don't know. but, somebody with a following that she has, if with a following that she has, it she — with a following that she has, if she makes a difference in the youth vote, closes the gender— the youth vote, closes the gender gap in the seven battleground states, it could be enough but we will have to wait _ be enough but we will have to wait and — be enough but we will have to wait and see.— wait and see. speaking of the render wait and see. speaking of the gender gap. _ wait and see. speaking of the gender gap, there _ wait and see. speaking of the gender gap, there was - wait and see. speaking of the gender gap, there was a - wait and see. speaking of the gender gap, there was a lot l gender gap, there was a lot tonight about reproductive rights, about abortion, about women's rights as well. we can have a listen to a clip now of some of that exchange about abortion. a , some of that exchange about abortion. , ., , ., , abortion. many, many millions of criminals, _ abortion. many, many millions of criminals, they _ abortion. many, many millions of criminals, they allow - of criminals, they allow terrorists, they allowed common street criminals, they allowed people to come in, drug dealers to come into our country and then now and the united states and told by their countries like venezuela, don't ever come

back or we are going to kill you, do you know that crime in venezuela and crime in countries all over the world is way down. you know why? because they have taken the criminals off the street and they have given them to her to put into our country. given them to her to put into our country-— given them to her to put into our country. that obviously was not a clip _ our country. that obviously was not a clip about _ our country. that obviously was not a clip about abortion, - our country. that obviously was not a clip about abortion, and l not a clip about abortion, and it was a clip about immigration. i don't know, do we have that abortion clip there to play?— we have that abortion clip there to play? we have that abortion clip there to -la ? ., , ., ., there to play? you should ask, will she allow _ there to play? you should ask, will she allow abortion - there to play? you should ask, will she allow abortion in - there to play? you should ask, will she allow abortion in the i will she allow abortion in the eighth month, ninth month, seventh month?— eighth month, ninth month, i seventh month?_ 0k, seventh month? come on. ok, would you _ seventh month? come on. ok, would you do — seventh month? come on. ok, would you do that? _ seventh month? come on. ok, would you do that? why - seventh month? come on. ok, would you do that? why don't. would you do that? why don't ou would you do that? why don't you answer— would you do that? why don't you answer the _ would you do that? why don't you answer the question. - would you do that? why don't you answer the question. youj you answer the question. you could do abortions _ you answer the question. you could do abortions in - you answer the question. wm. could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month, the ninth month. that's not true- _ month, the ninth month. that's not true. and _ month, the ninth month. that's not true. and probably - month, the ninth month. that's not true. and probably after - not true. and probably after birth. not true. and probably after birth- just — not true. and probably after birth. just look _ not true. and probably after birth. just look at _ not true. and probably after birth. just look at the - not true. and probably after| birth. just look at the former governor of virginia. governor of virginia said we put the baby aside and then we determine what we want to do with the baby. that exchange was interesting because they were both posing questions to each other and neither of them

answered at. this point about the republicans are trying to press kamala harris on whether there is a point at which they would not limit abortion, she didn't answer that. this would not limit abortion, she didn't answer that.— didn't answer that. as your fact checked _ didn't answer that. as your fact checked version - didn't answer that. as your fact checked version said i didn't answer that. as your l fact checked version said and as the moderator said, in this country, we do not execute babies, and so i think part of the reason why the republican talking point around abortion is to talk about infanticide which is illegal in this country is to draw people's attention away from the actual extreme policies that are in place currently today and that are creating really heartbreaking situations. several of them, harris talked about, about people bleeding out, about families who want to have babies who are denied access to fertility treatments, about people who having to carry their

inaudible republican policies that exist. and as you said she did make those points herself quite well during the debate, i think would be the presumption, but it is on that point that she is being quizzed on, not about the infanticide, no—one is raising that, but it'sjust, he was asking her is there a point where... asking her is there a point where---— asking her is there a point where... and she said she supports _ where... and she said she supports reinstating - where... and she said she supports reinstating the l supports reinstating the protections of roe v wade. and if you look at the states that have this on the ballot this fall, none of them are looking to press beyond the protections of roe v wade and in fact, president trump said that he would support the florida proposal that basically would reinstate what was the previous protections, and then he changed his mind again as to whether or not he would actually do that.- whether or not he would actually do that. the flipside ofthat actually do that. the flipside of that is that _ actually do that. the flipside of that is that donald - of that is that donald trump didn't answer either of the questions that kamala harris was putting to him of whether he would veto a bill for a national ban on abortion at any

time. ., ., time. yeah, neither of them answered — time. yeah, neither of them answered the _ time. yeah, neither of them answered the question - time. yeah, neither of them answered the question and i answered the question and frankly. _ answered the question and frankly, both should. president trump— frankly, both should. president trump needs to come out and say are you _ trump needs to come out and say are you for— trump needs to come out and say are you for a _ trump needs to come out and say are you for a national abortion ban? — are you for a national abortion ban? which is not something that— ban? which is not something that is— ban? which is not something that is fact, right now. and kamala _ that is fact, right now. and kamala harris and democrats have — kamala harris and democrats have to — kamala harris and democrats have to come out and say at what — have to come out and say at what point are you satisfied with — what point are you satisfied with making sure that an abortion is not legal and rare and — abortion is not legal and rare and hard _ abortion is not legal and rare and hard to come by. it�*s abortion is not legal and rare and hard to come by. it's quite unusual though _ and hard to come by. it's quite unusual though for _ and hard to come by. it's quite unusual though for a _ and hard to come by. it's quite l unusual though for a republican presidential candidate to have this kind of nuanced orfuzzy position, if you want, on abortion. position, if you want, on abortion-— position, if you want, on abortion. , . abortion. 0h, very much so when he is probably — abortion. 0h, very much so when he is probably the _ abortion. 0h, very much so when he is probably the only _ he is probably the only republican presidential candidate that could do it. i think— candidate that could do it. i think it _ candidate that could do it. i think it would be an issue that could — think it would be an issue that could lead to other candidates losing — could lead to other candidates losing a — could lead to other candidates losing a lot of support for the pro life — losing a lot of support for the pro life community, many of whom — pro life community, many of whom that i worked with during my time — whom that i worked with during my time before i got to congress and before i left congress, but at the same time there _ congress, but at the same time there are — congress, but at the same time there are democrats that would

favour — there are democrats that would favour allowing abortions at a much — favour allowing abortions at a much later term that may be what — much later term that may be what ice _ much later term that may be what ice president harris would _ what ice president harris would. she needs to actually lay out — would. she needs to actually lay out her plan also. donald trump — lay out her plan also. donald trump has to answer the hypothetical of would you sign a national abortion ban which is never— a national abortion ban which is never going to make it to his desk, _ is never going to make it to his desk, she then needs to actually— his desk, she then needs to actually answer, where does she stand _ actually answer, where does she stand. because no matter what anyone — stand. because no matter what anyone says, roe v wade, as that— anyone says, roe v wade, as that court— anyone says, roe v wade, as that court decision, did not protect— that court decision, did not protect babies from being aborted, being born alive, i have— aborted, being born alive, i have talked to nurses who have witnessed this and they have been — witnessed this and they have been left to die in that hospital. that happened during roe v_ hospital. that happened during roe v wade. hospital. that happened during roe v wade-— roe v wade. that has been, multiple _ roe v wade. that has been, multiple times, _ roe v wade. that has been, multiple times, fact - roe v wade. that has been, | multiple times, fact checked. it is not permitted in any state in this country. it has happened- _ state in this country. it has happened. _ state in this country. it has happened. that - state in this country. it has happened. that you - state in this country. it has happened. that you are allowed — happened. that you are allowed to _ happened. that you are allowed to kill _ happened. that you are allowed to kill babies - happened. that you are allowed to kill babies after| allowed to kill babies after they are born. that is not on any statute book he. that they are born. that is not on any statute book he.- any statute book he. at the fact that — any statute book he. at the fact that it _ any statute book he. at the fact that it has _ any statute book he. at the fact that it has happened. l any statute book he. at the fact that it has happened. i | fact that it has happened. can't let fact that it has happened. i can't let you say that on the

programme here, i really can't. so you are telling me thatjill so you are telling me that jill stanek. — so you are telling me that jill stanek, a nurse, who witnessed started — stanek, a nurse, who witnessed started at— stanek, a nurse, who witnessed started an �* ., ., started at i'm not getting into the case of — started at i'm not getting into the case of that _ started at i'm not getting into the case of that woman, - started at i'm not getting into the case of that woman, i - started at i'm not getting into i the case of that woman, i don't know that women. (crosstalk) there is not a law in this country that permits babies to be killed after they are born. 0k, be killed after they are born. ok, well, not going to carry on. we are not going to carry on. we are not going to carry on this at this time because we can't have this.— on this at this time because we can't have this. because no-one wants to hear _ can't have this. because no-one wants to hear the _ can't have this. because no-one wants to hear the fact. - can't have this. because no-one wants to hear the fact. it's - wants to hear the fact. it's not permitted _ wants to hear the fact. it's not permitted in _ wants to hear the fact. it�*s not permitted in this country on any statute that a baby who was born can be murdered. share was born can be murdered. are ou was born can be murdered. are you telling _ was born can be murdered. are you telling me _ was born can be murdered. are you telling me that this did not happen? i you telling me that this did not happen?— you telling me that this did not happen? i can't speak to that individual— not happen? i can't speak to that individualwoman, - not happen? i can't speak to that individual woman, i - not happen? i can't speak to l that individualwoman, i don't that individual woman, i don't know her case. will take it up on another occasion, we are not to continue talking about it at this point. another interesting discussion was about race. we had an interesting exchange, i think we can never listen to that now. think we can never listen to that now— think we can never listen to that now. ., ., , ., that now. -- have a listen to that now. -- have a listen to

that now- — that now. -- have a listen to that now- l— that now. -- have a listen to that now. i think _ that now. -- have a listen to that now. i think this - that now. -- have a listen to that now. i think this is - that now. -- have a listen to that now. i think this is so i that now. i think this is so rich coming from someone who has been prosecuted for national crimes, economic crimes, election interference, has been found liable for sexual assault and his next big court appearance is in november at his own criminal sentencing. and let's be clear where each person stands on the issue of what is important about respect for the rule of law and respect for the rule of law and respect for law enforcement, the former vice president called for defunding federal law enforcement 45,000 agents, get this, on the day after he was arraigned on 34 felony count. those comments from kamala harris there came in response to some points that donald trump had made about crime rates in this country and how dangerous, as he said, many parts of this country are stopping is that an issue that people will vote on when they

go to the polls this year? i think safety and security is always something that is top of mind for voters, but the facts have shown, the fbi has put out numbers that show that violent crime is actually down, statistically it is untrue that violent crime is up, but i think she made another really interesting and important point there. she had been trying during the debate to paint him as somebody who cares mostly about himself and not about the american people, and in talking about what he did in response to his convictions, kind of bending the rule of law when it suited him was another way in which she underscored that. is not only is he not supportive of various communities within this country and as divisive as it relates to race and gender, he also is primarily about himself. he also is primarily about himself-— he also is primarily about himself. ., ., , himself. 0k, well we have lots more to talk _ himself. 0k, well we have lots more to talk about _ himself. 0k, well we have lots more to talk about but - himself. 0k, well we have lots more to talk about but let's . himself. 0k, well we have lots more to talk about but let's go i more to talk about but let's go back over to philadelphia for the moment.— back over to philadelphia for the moment. ., ~ i. . the moment. thank you so much, 'ust the moment. thank you so much, just another _ the moment. thank you so much, just another note _ the moment. thank you so much, just another note for _ the moment. thank you so much, just another note for our - just another note for our viewers, you might hear a

little bit of commotion because just two bits over its fox news and donald trump is sitting down with sean hannity at the moment so he is there of course surrounded by reporters as well but he is having a seat with sean hannity and speaking to fox news at the moment, but, that aside i want to ring and vice president and senior director of the atlantic council's centre and he was also served in the department of defence and the intelligence committee during the bush, 0bama committee during the bush, obama and trump administration. really good to have you on bbc news tonight, first offjust your take on how you think the debate went tonight? i your take on how you think the debate went tonight?- debate went tonight? i will keep myself— debate went tonight? i will keep myself honest, - debate went tonight? i will| keep myself honest, before debate went tonight? i will keep myself honest, before the debate — keep myself honest, before the debate over a downward i thought what each candidate would — thought what each candidate would need to do to perform well~ — would need to do to perform well~ 0n— would need to do to perform well. on trump side we needed to keep — well. on trump side we needed to keep talking about immigration, the economy and global— immigration, the economy and global disorder which are according to the polls the issues _ according to the polls the issues where he is strong. i thought— issues where he is strong. i thought he didn't want to get pulled — thought he didn't want to get pulled into extensive personal attacks— pulled into extensive personal attacks and then on harris's side — attacks and then on harris's side i— attacks and then on harris's side i think she wanted to show

that she — side i think she wanted to show that she is _ side i think she wanted to show that she is a credible leader of the — that she is a credible leader of the free world and commander—in—chief and i think essentially they both did that, so i would score it basically a draw — so i would score it basically a draw |— so i would score it basically a draw. ., ., ., ., draw. i want to ask you about the discussion _ draw. i want to ask you about the discussion about - draw. i want to ask you about the discussion about the - draw. i want to ask you about the discussion about the war| draw. i want to ask you about. the discussion about the war in ukraine, president trump was asked specifically does he want ukraine to win the war and he didn't say that he did. what do you think of that?— you think of that? yes, i think no news was _ you think of that? yes, i think no news was made _ you think of that? yes, i think no news was made here - you think of that? yes, i think i no news was made here tonight on foreign — no news was made here tonight on foreign policy that the candidates went back to their previous— candidates went back to their previous positions and trump has been _ previous positions and trump has been very clear all along that— has been very clear all along that his _ has been very clear all along that his goal is peace. it is not — that his goal is peace. it is not for— that his goal is peace. it is not for ukraine to win, it is not — not for ukraine to win, it is not for— not for ukraine to win, it is not for russia to win, it is to end — not for russia to win, it is to end the _ not for russia to win, it is to end the conflict and sol not for russia to win, it is to end the conflict and so i think what — end the conflict and so i think what he — end the conflict and so i think what he tried to do as he said as he — what he tried to do as he said as he used _ what he tried to do as he said as he used the leverage of us military— as he used the leverage of us military assistance to convince both _ military assistance to convince both of— military assistance to convince both of them basically go to zelensky and say you need to negotiate or else we will cut off aid — negotiate or else we will cut off aid but also he said he would _ off aid but also he said he would go to putin and say you need — would go to putin and say you need to— would go to putin and say you need to negotiate or else we will give _ need to negotiate or else we will give zelensky more than

has — will give zelensky more than has ever— will give zelensky more than he's ever got and i think the purpose _ he's ever got and i think the purposeis he's ever got and i think the purpose is to force a negotiation, essentially try to find a — negotiation, essentially try to find a ceasefire across the current _ find a ceasefire across the current lines and i think the current— current lines and i think the current approach given the restrictions were putting on ukrainian weapons and how they use them — ukrainian weapons and how they use them and alsojust ukrainian weapons and how they use them and also just the defence _ use them and also just the defence dominant nature of the war with — defence dominant nature of the war with new technology like drones. _ war with new technology like drones, the lines haven't moved very— drones, the lines haven't moved very much, _ drones, the lines haven't moved very much, so i'm not sure that the current— very much, so i'm not sure that the current approach is going to get— the current approach is going to get us— the current approach is going to get us to a different place, i think— to get us to a different place, i think mightjust take longer but will— i think mightjust take longer but will also likely end up with— but will also likely end up with a _ but will also likely end up with a ceasefire. matthew, it is uuite with a ceasefire. matthew, it is quite loud _ with a ceasefire. matthew, it is quite loud here _ with a ceasefire. matthew, it is quite loud here or- is quite loud here or philadelphia side didn't hear the very last part of your answer, apologies if you just address this but do you think people will be convinced by the planet president trump introduced when it to the war introduced when it to the war in ukraine?— in ukraine? foreign policy isn't usually _ in ukraine? foreign policy isn't usually a _ in ukraine? foreign policy isn't usually a major - in ukraine? foreign policy| isn't usually a major swing in ukraine? foreign policy i isn't usually a major swing of elections _ isn't usually a major swing of elections i think the way that this is— elections i think the way that this is going to matter for

voters _ this is going to matter for voters in _ this is going to matter for voters in pennsylvania and elsewhere isjust voters in pennsylvania and elsewhere is just the voters in pennsylvania and elsewhere isjust the sense that— elsewhere isjust the sense that there is a lot of chaos right— that there is a lot of chaos right now, there is a war in europe _ right now, there is a war in europe a _ right now, there is a war in europe, a war in the middle east — europe, a war in the middle east and _ europe, a war in the middle east and so i think the main point — east and so i think the main point that trump was trying to make — point that trump was trying to make is— point that trump was trying to make is that, he repeatedly said. — make is that, he repeatedly said, these wars would have never — said, these wars would have never happened if i was president and sol never happened if i was president and so i think that is what _ president and so i think that is what he was trying to show, in contrast— is what he was trying to show, in contrast the relative stability of his administration with— stability of his administration with the _ stability of his administration with the conflicts currently and — with the conflicts currently and then i think harris, as many— and then i think harris, as many expect it, continuing to repeat— many expect it, continuing to repeat the biden approach of supporting ukraine and supporting ukraine and supporting israel's right to defend _ supporting israel's right to defend itself in the middle east — defend itself in the middle east but also trying for a ceasefire and the middle east and stop the suffering of the palestinians. all and stop the suffering of the palestinians.— palestinians. all right, matthew _ palestinians. all right, matthew kronick, - palestinians. all right, i matthew kronick, thank palestinians. all right, - matthew kronick, thank you so much forjoining us tonight on bbc news, really interesting to get your perspective on the debate tonight, thank you. thank you.

debate tonight, thank you. thank you-— debate tonight, thank you. thank ou. �* ., ., thank you. and 'oining me now is former_ thank you. and joining me now is former deputy _ thank you. and joining me now is former deputy policy - thank you. and joining me now is former deputy policy advisor| is former deputy policy advisor to kamala harris, very good to have you back. really interesting debate to watch tonight, certainly a different debate to what we saw previously butjust, first of all, former domestic policy advisor of, harris, do you think when you look at domestic policy, we werejust think when you look at domestic policy, we were just talking about foreign policy, that she had the points that she needed to? i had the points that she needed to? ~' ., had the points that she needed to? ~ ., ., , ,., to? i think tonight was so important _ to? i think tonight was so important to _ to? i think tonight was so important to make - to? i think tonight was so important to make sure l to? i think tonight was so i important to make sure that americans understood where the vice president stood on helping the middle class, making sure that they— the middle class, making sure that they can think about their children— that they can think about their children and their grandchildren and what is the economy— grandchildren and what is the economy they want to live in. she _ economy they want to live in. she talked about lowering costs for everyday americans, you heard — for everyday americans, you heard her— for everyday americans, you heard her talking about $6,000 tax credit for young children, you heard _ tax credit for young children, you heard her talking about building up our housing supply and making sure people can afford — and making sure people can afford their first home, that was — afford their first home, that was $25,000 downpayment assistance and 3 million new homes — assistance and 3 million new

homes in _ assistance and 3 million new homes in her first term. we also — homes in her first term. we also heard her talk about small business — also heard her talk about small business and the importance of entrepreneurs and making sure that they— entrepreneurs and making sure that they have what they need in order— that they have what they need in order to notjust get ahead but get — in order to notjust get ahead but get by. | in order to not 'ust get ahead but get by.— but get by. i want to ask you about a point, _ but get by. i want to ask you about a point, we _ but get by. i want to ask you about a point, we spoke - but get by. i want to ask you about a point, we spoke to l but get by. i want to ask you i about a point, we spoke to the members of the trump campaign and also republican congressman byron donalds, who said look what she didn't explain is how any of that will be paid. we do think, how it was able to present a plan that people believe she will be able to see through? aha, believe she will be able to see throuth? �* , believe she will be able to see throuth? . , ., , , through? a number of things she has tut through? a number of things she has put forward _ through? a number of things she has put forward tonight, - through? a number of things she has put forward tonight, you - has put forward tonight, you heard — has put forward tonight, you heard that actually president trump's _ heard that actually president trump's plans, i think you heard _ trump's plans, i think you heard them say $5 trillion to our deficits, business studies from — our deficits, business studies from goldman sacks and i6 nobel laureate. — from goldman sacks and i6 nobel laureate, nobel prize winners, you would _ laureate, nobel prize winners, you would adhering to think things— you would adhering to think things from president trump about— things from president trump about what his plans were but what — about what his plans were but what you _ about what his plans were but what you did here was vice president harris talk about making _ president harris talk about making sure that americans know that the _ making sure that americans know that the aspirations and dreams that the aspirations and dreams that they— that the aspirations and dreams that they have are going to be

captured — that they have are going to be captured in this opportunity economy and that they are also going _ economy and that they are also going to — economy and that they are also going to be part of, you know, her priorities are. she is somebody who talked about her upbringing in a middle—class background and making sure that her, background and making sure that her. you — background and making sure that her, you know, she talked about also _ her, you know, she talked about also not — her, you know, she talked about also not being able to afford their— also not being able to afford their first home until she was in her— their first home until she was in her teenage years and a working _ in her teenage years and a working mother that was working very hard — working mother that was working very hard to make ends meet and make _ very hard to make ends meet and make it _ very hard to make ends meet and make it all— very hard to make ends meet and make it all work for her two daughters sol make it all work for her two daughters so i think you heard a lot— daughters so i think you heard a lot from _ daughters so i think you heard a lot from making sure that she was relatable in that context. sorry. — was relatable in that context. sorry. you _ was relatable in that context. sorry, you know there is a lot of commotion behind us, that's why i was just looking behind us just now, why i was just looking behind usjust now, but why i was just looking behind us just now, but they also want to ask you about... oh, it looks like donald trump is approaching. that is why we are hearing some noise, but they do want to ask you about one of the points we heard from republicans was that kamala harris did not address some of the policies, the changes a policy she has had comedy think thatis policy she has had comedy think that is going to be an issue for her going forward? i don't. have not changed, every single

issue. — have not changed, every single issue, they asked her about healthcare, she talked about making — healthcare, she talked about making sure that that healthcare is a right not a privilege forjust those people that can — privilege forjust those people that can afford it you can go cross — that can afford it you can go cross down the issues and she addressed all the points and she made a point to say i'm going — she made a point to say i'm going to _ she made a point to say i'm going to go back and make sure i-o going to go back and make sure igo point — going to go back and make sure igo point by point, whereas you didn't— igo point by point, whereas you didn't hear— igo point by point, whereas you didn't hear that with the former— didn't hear that with the former president tonight talk about— former president tonight talk about his plans and his vision for the — about his plans and his vision for the future. when you heard a lot _ for the future. when you heard a lot of— for the future. when you heard a lot of these conversations it was _ a lot of these conversations it was so — a lot of these conversations it was so much more negative in tone, — was so much more negative in tone you _ was so much more negative in tone, you heard the vice president say that is not the america _ president say that is not the america that most people want to live — america that most people want to live in — america that most people want to live in. _, ., america that most people want to live in. ,., ., , to live in. going into this debate. _ to live in. going into this debate, there _ to live in. going into this debate, there was - to live in. going into this debate, there was a - to live in. going into this - debate, there was a question of do people know who kamala harris is, what she stands for, do you think she answered those questions?— questions? well, tonight was 'ust one questions? well, tonight was just one night _ questions? well, tonight was just one night and _ questions? well, tonight was just one night and it - questions? well, tonight was just one night and it was - just one night and it was rcatty— just one night and it was really important to her that people _ really important to her that people knew that she grew up in a middle—class background and that she — a middle—class background and that she, you know, that she served — that she, you know, that she served as _ that she, you know, that she served as district attorney, attorney general, united state senator — attorney general, united state senator and now vice president and that— senator and now vice president and that she was always going to keep — and that she was always going to keep the middle class in mind — to keep the middle class in mind in— to keep the middle class in mind in terms of her priorities and _ mind in terms of her priorities and as— mind in terms of her priorities and as president, but then i think— and as president, but then i think you _ and as president, but then i think you are also going to

hear— think you are also going to hear this— think you are also going to hear this on the campaign trail stopping — hear this on the campaign trail stopping is only 56 more days to go— stopping is only 56 more days to go and _ stopping is only 56 more days to go and it was an exciting night — to go and it was an exciting night tonight, a great night tonight— night tonight, a great night tonight and looking forward to the next — tonight and looking forward to the next 56 days.— the next 56 days. let's talk 'ust a the next 56 days. let's talk just a little _ the next 56 days. let's talk just a little bit _ the next 56 days. let's talk just a little bit about - the next 56 days. let's talk just a little bit about the i just a little bit about the next 56 days stopping the race is still on a knife edge, what needs to be done still to move the needle on voters? i needs to be done still to move the needle on voters?- the needle on voters? i think what you _ the needle on voters? i think what you saw— the needle on voters? i think what you saw tonight - the needle on voters? i think what you saw tonight was - what you saw tonight was somebody that was trying to make — somebody that was trying to make sure that they talked directly _ make sure that they talked directly to the american people. that they put their needs— people. that they put their needs first and that whenever the former president was moving on to— the former president was moving on to different issues or getting _ on to different issues or getting very divisive, that she would — getting very divisive, that she would bring it back to the issues _ would bring it back to the issues at hand and how she is going — issues at hand and how she is going to — issues at hand and how she is going to solve your problems, the american people's problems. citing _ the american people's problems. citing a _ the american people's problems. citing a lot of people saw tonight— citing a lot of people saw tonight somebody that was willing _ tonight somebody that was willing to talk to them directly and how they were going _ directly and how they were going to bring forward plans to make — going to bring forward plans to make sure that they knew that looking — make sure that they knew that looking forward for the next 56 days. _ looking forward for the next 56 days, there is going to be different plans and different concepts and making sure that people — concepts and making sure that people really are thinking about— people really are thinking about themselves, their children and grandchildren in a way that— children and grandchildren in a way that speaks about uniting the country and putting forward

and turning the page in that context _ and turning the page in that context. �* , and turning the page in that context. �* ., and turning the page in that context. . ., ., ., ~ context. always agreed to talk to ou context. always agreed to talk to you here — context. always agreed to talk to you here on _ context. always agreed to talk to you here on bbc— context. always agreed to talk to you here on bbc news, - context. always agreed to talk. to you here on bbc news, think is a much forjoining us. as we heard there, just after this debate is wrapped up, we are hearing all the different voices from both campaigns on who they think performed better in this campaign. we saw that press release from donald trump ausmat campaign just as the debate had wrapped up that they believe that donald trump delivered a masterful performance and had won this debate. he isjust moved on now from the left of me where he was speaking on fox news and talking about his debate performance but we do know that kamala harris and her team has been heading to a watch party that governor shapiro is halting here in pennsylvania and they were planning to join that watch party and we will be hearing more from them but really, it was at times a fiery exchange between donald trump and kamala harris in one of the points that was made in advance of this debate was that the microphones would be needed. well, we saw at times that the microphones were not needed,

that we were able to hear some of the crosstalk and response between the two candidates and it made for a much better exchange, so we're going to talk now to michael whatley, a spokesperson for the trump campaign, michael, really good to see you, thank you for joining us, i know it has been a busy evening already. tell us, you know, wejust saw the former president was speaking to fox news, we are going to catch up on what he said in a moment but tell us your take, what is the president saying about how he feels, about how he performed tonight? i about how he feels, about how he performed tonight?- he performed tonight? i think the president _ he performed tonight? i think the president won _ he performed tonight? i think the president won this - he performed tonight? i think| the president won this debate, he was — the president won this debate, he was the only candidate on backstage exactly able to articulate any serious responses, policy responses to talk about and address the issues _ talk about and address the issues that the american voters care _ issues that the american voters care about. the american voters really _ care about. the american voters really truly — care about. the american voters really truly care about inflation, high gasoline prices, _ inflation, high gasoline prices, grocery prices and he's -ot prices, grocery prices and he's got a — prices, grocery prices and he's got a solution to be able to put that— got a solution to be able to put that on the table. american voters — put that on the table. american voters are — put that on the table. american voters are very, very concerned about _ voters are very, very concerned about illegal immigration, the fact that — about illegal immigration, the fact that kamala harris, as the borders— fact that kamala harris, as the borders are, lead the charge to dismantle — borders are, lead the charge to dismantle through 94 executive actions — dismantle through 94 executive actions the most secure southern border that we have

ever— southern border that we have ever had _ southern border that we have ever had and allow 10 million plus— ever had and allow 10 million plus illegal immigrants to come across— plus illegal immigrants to come across the border and bring in across the border and bring in a scourge _ across the border and bring in a scourge of fentanyl and migrant— a scourge of fentanyl and migrant crime.— a scourge of fentanyl and migrant crime. we heard from kamala harris _ migrant crime. we heard from kamala harris the _ migrant crime. we heard from kamala harris the point - migrant crime. we heard from kamala harris the point that i kamala harris the point that she had president biden have made which is that there was a bipartisan border bill that could be passed by congress but she said that donald trump quashed that bill by calling members of congress and saying we don't want the democrats to score political points. what is your response to that? that bipartisan — your response to that? that bipartisan bill _ your response to that? that bipartisan bill they - your response to that? that bipartisan bill they talked about— bipartisan bill they talked about was rejected unanimously by the _ about was rejected unanimously by the house of representatives and it— by the house of representatives and it would have allowed millions upon millions of additional illegal immigrants to come across and stay here illegally _ to come across and stay here illegally and it also would have _ illegally and it also would have provided a pathway to amnesty which is an solute deal kitten _ amnesty which is an solute deal killer. ., ,., , ., ,~' killer. let me also 'ust ask about the t killer. let me also just ask about the question - killer. let me also just ask about the question on - killer. let me also just ask - about the question on abortion because they think this is a key point, both candidates spoke on abortion, donald trump was asked, if a national abortion ban came to his death would he veto it, he didn't answer, do we have a clear answer, do we have a clear answer on this at this point? i

think donald trump articulated very clearly that this needs to be a — very clearly that this needs to be a discussion at the state level~ — be a discussion at the state level~ he _ be a discussion at the state level. he does not want a federal— level. he does not want a federal solution, in fact the american voters have bought for 50 years — american voters have bought for 50 years to decentralise this issue — 50 years to decentralise this issue. that was the key ruling that— issue. that was the key ruling that we — issue. that was the key ruling that we saw in the decision, they— that we saw in the decision, they took— that we saw in the decision, they took away from the federal government, returned back to the states and he feels very strongly— the states and he feels very strongly that that is where it needs— strongly that that is where it needs to _ strongly that that is where it needs to be. he also feels very strongly— needs to be. he also feels very strongly that there are exceptions that need to be made in any— exceptions that need to be made in any state laws that go forward _ in any state laws that go forward for the life of the mother, _ forward for the life of the mother, for rape, for incest, for example and that he strongly supports ivf elevation treatment so kamala harris lied on multiple issues there and was — on multiple issues there and was not _ on multiple issues there and was not fact checked whatsoever by the _ was not fact checked whatsoever by the moderators despite the fact that — by the moderators despite the fact that he was fact checked multiple times throughout the debate — multiple times throughout the debate. ~ ., multiple times throughout the debate. . . , multiple times throughout the debate. ., , .. , multiple times throughout the debate. . , ., debate. what will be key for donald trump _ debate. what will be key for donald trump on _ debate. what will be key for donald trump on the - debate. what will be key for i donald trump on the campaign trail? ., .. donald trump on the campaign trail? ., ~ , donald trump on the campaign trail? . ~ , ., trail? he will make sure that he is talking _ trail? he will make sure that he is talking directly - trail? he will make sure that he is talking directly to i trail? he will make sure that he is talking directly to the i he is talking directly to the american voters about the issues _ american voters about the issues that they care about. they — issues that they care about. they care _ issues that they care about. they care about inflation, they care _ they care about inflation, they care about high prices, they care — care about high prices, they care about high prices, they

care about the southern invasion— care about the southern invasion and they care about making _ invasion and they care about making sure that america is strong — making sure that america is strong enough to protect our interests — strong enough to protect our interests and the interest of our allies around the world. thank— our allies around the world. thank you so much forjoining us. and with that i am going to hand back to katrina in the studio. ~ ., hand back to katrina in the studio. . . ., ., ., studio. we are almost out of time on a — studio. we are almost out of time on a special _ studio. we are almost out of| time on a special programme here but i'm just trying to get some special thoughts from rodney and stephanie as to where we go from here. has been another landmark moment in this very dramatic campaign. stephanie, what next? where does, harris and her team take this tomorrow?— does, harris and her team take this tomorrow? tonight we saw, harassed speaking _ this tomorrow? tonight we saw, harassed speaking to _ this tomorrow? tonight we saw, harassed speaking to the - harassed speaking to the american people and making a case to them, we saw donald trump speaking to his marker base, using a lot of things he usesin base, using a lot of things he uses in his rallies, elections to nihilism, eating of dogs —— maga and he threw in some... so i think where they go from here is that the harris campaign has to continue to reach out to

those moderates, to those swing voters and keep working right up voters and keep working right up until election day. idem; up until election day. very briefl , up until election day. very briefly, will— up until election day. very briefly, will she _ up until election day. very briefly, will she get i up until election day. very briefly, will she get a i up until election day. very| briefly, will she get a bump from tonight? i briefly, will she get a bump from tonight?— briefly, will she get a bump from tonight? i would imagine she would _ from tonight? i would imagine she would stop _ from tonight? i would imagine she would stop if _ from tonight? i would imagine she would stop if it _ from tonight? i would imagine she would stop if it is - from tonight? i would imagine she would stop if it is a - she would stop if it is a taylor swift then definitely debate performance. bind taylor swift then definitely debate performance. and rodney, how does donald _ debate performance. and rodney, how does donald trump _ debate performance. and rodney, how does donald trump move i how does donald trump move forward, what is next? first off, if forward, what is next? first off. if the — forward, what is next? first off, if the eating _ forward, what is next? first off, if the eating of- forward, what is next? first off, if the eating of dogs i forward, what is next? first off, if the eating of dogs is| off, if the eating of dogs is happening, my good friend jeff denham, we passed a law that outlawed — denham, we passed a law that outlawed the consumption so i hope _ outlawed the consumption so i hope if— outlawed the consumption so i hope if it— outlawed the consumption so i hope if it is true they are prosecuted to the fullest extent _ prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. i agree with the chairman of the rnc, we need — the chairman of the rnc, we need to— the chairman of the rnc, we need to fact check some things that kamala harris has said, checking _ that kamala harris has said, checking her on the tax cuts going — checking her on the tax cuts going to _ checking her on the tax cuts going to the top i% when we have — going to the top i% when we have clearly seen time and time again— have clearly seen time and time again an — have clearly seen time and time again an overwhelming majority of the _ again an overwhelming majority of the percentage of tax cuts have — of the percentage of tax cuts have gone to middle—class families. we need to fact check her on — families. we need to fact check her on the _ families. we need to fact check her on the issues of having control, _ her on the issues of having control, as stephanie said earlier, _ control, as stephanie said earlier, with tariffs and immigration via executive action~ _ immigration via executive action. she ought to be able to work— action. she ought to be able to work with— action. she ought to be able to work with the administration. the polls—

work with the administration. the polls are going to determine if she gets this bump but president trump, while vice president — but president trump, while vice president harris has plans and says— president harris has plans and says she — president harris has plans and says she can't do anything now and is — says she can't do anything now and is planning to do something in the _ and is planning to do something in the future, president trump has a — in the future, president trump has a history of success on addressing economic issues, immigration issues and reducing crime _ immigration issues and reducing crime and/or the united states. i crime and/or the united states. i believe — crime and/or the united states. i believe the poles are going to show— i believe the poles are going to show it is still a tight race _ to show it is still a tight race if— to show it is still a tight race. if she gets a bump clearly— race. if she gets a bump clearty it— race. if she gets a bump clearly it is not taylor swift. we will _ clearly it is not taylor swift. we will wait to see, rodney davis and stephanie murphy, thank you both for that stop you can keep following on with everything that is going on on our website and on our app but thatis our website and on our app but that is at the moment. stay with us here on news, take care. live from london. this is bbc news. kamala harris and donald trump accuse each other of being weak and lying in their first debate of the 2024 us presidential election. harris says she is focused on the future as trump counters by calling the us a failing nation.

as the debate came to an end, pop superstar taylor swift endorsed kamala harris — writing in a post to her 283 million instagram followers. elsewhere the us secretary of state, antony blinken, and his uk counterpart, david lammy will travel to ukraine together today. it will be the firstjoint uk—us trip to the country. hello and a warm welcome to the programme. donald trump and kamala harris have clashed on the economy, abortion rights and border policy in their only scheduled us election debate. the discussions between the two presidential nominees often descended into personal attacks, in a testy 90 minute debate in philadelphia. donald trump has claimed

victory, while the harris campaign instantly called for a second debate.