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the us secretary of state and his uk counterpart are in ukraine where president zelensky is again asking for permission to use weapons to strike targets inside russia. the murder of belfast solicitor pat finucane, shot dead in 1989, is to be examined in a public inquiry. healthcare workers at the mpox epicentre outbreak in the democratic republic of congo tell the bbc they are desperate. we have a special report. kamala harris and donald trump have clashed in their first debate of the election campaign. the pair sparred over immigration, abortion and the economy and traded
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attacks over each other�*s record in government. vice president harris called the former president a �*laughing stock�* on the world stage and said he'd be manipulated by dictators if he returned to the white house. donald trump criticised american military aid to ukraine, as well as accusing kamala harris of having no economic plans. our senior north america correspondent, gary o'donoghue, has the story. we arejust stepping we are just stepping away from the usa to northern ireland, where the family of pat finucane, the human rights lawyer shot dead by loyalist paramilitaries at his home in belfast in 1989 are about to give a statement. this comes just after the launch of an inquiry into his murder. the prominent human rights lawyer was shot dead by loyalist paramilitaries in 1989 while
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having a sunday dinner with his wife and children. let'sjust listen in to hear the statement from the family. flan listen in to hear the statement from the family.— from the family. can you hear us 0k? we arejust experiencing we are just experiencing a few audio problems, seems like the microphone there not fully working, butjust to inform you, this is the family of pat finucane issuing a statement following that announcement by the northern ireland secretary who has announced the establishment of an independent inquiry into the murder of the
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belfast solicitor. he was shot by loyalist paramilitaries at his home in 1989, so let'sjust see if we have established. it has a ways been the campaign objectives that my family have pursued — objectives that my family have pursued for the last 35 years. we have _ pursued for the last 35 years. we have only ever been concerned with uncovering the truth — concerned with uncovering the truth it — concerned with uncovering the truth~ it is_ concerned with uncovering the truth. it is this which has kept _ truth. it is this which has kept us _ truth. it is this which has kept us going. it is the thing that— kept us going. it is the thing that has_ kept us going. it is the thing that has been missing all these years — that has been missing all these years we _ that has been missing all these years. we did not believe that his murder was simply the work of gunmen— his murder was simply the work of gunmen who killed him, we had no — of gunmen who killed him, we had no confidence that police investigations would ever bring those _ investigations would ever bring those truly responsible to justice _ those truly responsible to justice. we were not satisfied with— justice. we were not satisfied with private limited reviews from — with private limited reviews from which we were excluded. we could _ from which we were excluded. we could not— from which we were excluded. we could not and did not accept the assurances of previous british— the assurances of previous british governments that they
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were — british governments that they were anxious to set the record straight, — were anxious to set the record straight, because they were never— straight, because they were never prepared to do so in pubtie _ never prepared to do so in public. an independent statutory public inquiry is and was _ statutory public inquiry is and was the — statutory public inquiry is and was the only way to bring the whole — was the only way to bring the whole truth behind the murder of pat — whole truth behind the murder of pat finucane into the light of pat finucane into the light of day — of pat finucane into the light of day. the journey to this point _ of day. the journey to this point is _ of day. the journey to this point is not one that my family and i_ point is not one that my family and i have _ point is not one that my family and i have had to endure alone. indeed. — and i have had to endure alone. indeed. we _ and i have had to endure alone. indeed, we would never have succeeded without the assistance and support and encouragement of so many people over the _ encouragement of so many people over the years. i could not begin— over the years. i could not begin to _ over the years. i could not begin to thank them all by name here _ begin to thank them all by name here today. so many people all over— here today. so many people all over the — here today. so many people all over the world were willing to give _ over the world were willing to give generously of their time and their— give generously of their time and their talent give generously of their time and theirtalent again give generously of their time and their talent again and agaih _ and their talent again and agaih i_ and their talent again and again. iwant and their talent again and again. i want to record my heartfett _ again. i want to record my heartfelt thanks and gratitude to each— heartfelt thanks and gratitude to each and every one of them. we would — to each and every one of them. we would not be here today without _ we would not be here today
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without them. however, i would like to— without them. however, i would like to single out one person, and _ like to single out one person, and that— like to single out one person, and that is... peter was my husband's _ and that is... peter was my husband's business friend and partner— husband's business friend and partner throughout pat's short legat— partner throughout pat's short legal career, he has been a supporter of an legal career, he has been a supporter ofan ending legal career, he has been a supporter of an ending strength and resilience. i cannot thank him _ and resilience. i cannot thank him enough for what he has done for my— him enough for what he has done for my family. 0r indeed the entire — for my family. 0r indeed the entire legal team that has represented us so fearlessly and brilliantly in our fight for a _ and brilliantly in our fight for a public inquiry. most of all, — fora public inquiry. most of all. i— for a public inquiry. most of all, i believe this inquiry can be a — all, i believe this inquiry can be a watershed moment in the difficult — be a watershed moment in the difficult subject in this part of our— difficult subject in this part of our island. if a public inquiry— of our island. if a public inquiry into the murder of pat finucane _ inquiry into the murder of pat finucane can finally publicly examine all of the collusion
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that— examine all of the collusion that plagued our society for so marry— that plagued our society for so many years, then there is hope that the — many years, then there is hope that the real process of healing can begin. the murder of pat — healing can begin. the murder of pat finucane is the last remaining case, it was high time — remaining case, it was high time it— remaining case, it was high time it is— remaining case, it was high time it is properly investigated, publicly examined and finally resolved. i believe that my — and finally resolved. i believe that my family to serve this after— that my family to serve this after so _ that my family to serve this after so many years. pat finucane _ after so many years. pat finucane deserves this after so marry— finucane deserves this after so many years. society as a whole deserves — many years. society as a whole deserves this after so many years — deserves this after so many years. and after 35 years of cover-up. _ years. and after 35 years of cover—up, it is time for the truth _ truth. applause
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you said it has been a long journey— you said it has been a long journey campaigning - you said it has been a long journey campaigning for. you said it has been a long. journey campaigning for this, three — journey campaigning for this, three decades. _ journey campaigning for this, three decades. how- journey campaigning for this, | three decades. how confident are you — three decades. how confident are you that— three decades. how confident are you that you _ three decades. how confident are you that you will - three decades. how confident are you that you will finally i are you that you will finally -et are you that you will finally get the _ are you that you will finally get the truth _ are you that you will finally get the truth about - are you that you will finally get the truth about what i get the truth about what happened? _ get the truth about what happened?— get the truth about what happened? we have been campaigning _ happened? we have been campaigning for— happened? we have been campaigning for an - happened? we have been| campaigning for an inquiry which _ campaigning for an inquiry which is _ campaigning for an inquiry which is the forum for the ability— which is the forum for the ability to get to the truth. it is a — ability to get to the truth. it is a forum where people can be cross—examined, questions can be verified, facts can be established, and an inquiry is the only— established, and an inquiry is the only place for that. all of the only place for that. all of the reviews which have gone on before, — the reviews which have gone on before, witnesses were not even called _ before, witnesses were not even called in — before, witnesses were not even called in some instances, if anybody— called in some instances, if anybody was, they were never cross—examined. people were
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excused _ cross—examined. people were excused. and the family had no input _ excused. and the family had no input into— excused. and the family had no input into that. so we had no idea — input into that. so we had no idea what— input into that. so we had no idea what has been going on. certainiy— idea what has been going on. certainly some information has come _ certainly some information has come out, _ certainly some information has come out, but we need, and we needed — come out, but we need, and we needed to— come out, but we need, and we needed to be publicly seen by everyone. over the years, people — everyone. over the years, people have said to me, "keep going. — people have said to me, "keep going, because if the truth comes— going, because if the truth comes out in your case, we will be reassured that what happened, our loved ones, it was— happened, our loved ones, it was collusion." and it will be there — was collusion." and it will be there for— was collusion." and it will be there for everybody to see. after— there for everybody to see. after so _ there for everybody to see. after so many years, what has sustained you?— sustained you? well, i have a treat sustained you? well, i have a great family. _ sustained you? well, i have a great family. i— sustained you? well, i have a great family, i have _ sustained you? well, i have a great family, i have great - great family, i have great
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legat— great family, i have great legal support, and people from all around the world have sent me messages and held... we have had representation from america, we have had bipartisan support, — america, we have had bipartisan support, that is what kept us 9°iii9~ — support, that is what kept us going. and people who come up to me _ going. and people who come up to me and — going. and people who come up to me and just say, "keep 9°iii9~ _ to me and just say, "keep going. we need to know the truth, — going. we need to know the truth, and if you can keep going. _ truth, and if you can keep going, we will be satisfied." it going, we will be satisfied." it is — going, we will be satisfied." it is not _ going, we will be satisfied." it is not a _ going, we will be satisfied." it is not a one manjob. this it is not a one man “0b. this inuui it is not a one man “0b. this inquiry wru h it is not a one man “0b. this inquiry will be _ it is not a one man job. this inquiry will be held... - it is not a one man job. this| inquiry will be held... sorry, my hearing _ inquiry will be held... sorry, my hearing is _ inquiry will be held... sorry, my hearing is not _ inquiry will be held... sorry, my hearing is not great. - inquiry will be held... sorry, | my hearing is not great. this inuui my hearing is not great. this inquiry will — my hearing is not great. this inquiry will be _ my hearing is not great. this
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inquiry will be held _ my hearing is not great. this inquiry will be held under the 2005— inquiry will be held under the 2005 inquiries— inquiry will be held under the 2005 inquiries act, _ inquiry will be held under the 2005 inquiries act, that - inquiry will be held under the 2005 inquiries act, that is . inquiry will be held under thel 2005 inquiries act, that is the very— 2005 inquiries act, that is the very act— 2005 inquiries act, that is the very act that _ 2005 inquiries act, that is the very act that was _ 2005 inquiries act, that is the very act that was designed . very act that was designed about— very act that was designed about material— very act that was designed about material provided i very act that was designed about material provided to very act that was designed - about material provided to the inquiry — inquiry. i |naud|ble inaudible inaudible i think when the law was changed after western parts of the inquiries were governed under the inquiries act, we had a ways accepted that any inquiry work will take place under that legislation. where difficulty arose before is that the government made it clear that it intended to use a very restrictive mechanism within that legislation that in our analysis and the analysis of everybody who has supported us around the world would have rendered that particular inquiry meaningless. we look forward to engaging with the government on all of the issues that are needed to be resolved in advance of the inquiry beginning its work. we welcome today, we have never had a
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secretary of state stand up and make the type of statement that was made today. and it is also worth pointing out the significance of our courts in this process as well. today's announcement comes after the judgment ofjuly the 11th, where the court of appeal here was not only scathing in the previous british government's response to our supreme court victory of 2019, but it went further and made it clear that both my family and the british government needed to find agreement. and in the absence of agreement, the court would direct what it felt was the best mechanism and vehicle to properly investigate all of the circumstances around my father's murder. so we find ourselves here today, over 35 years later, with the british government accepting that there needs to be a full public inquiry. it is what we have always asked for and we look forward to getting down and getting stuck into the work as soon as it is possible. i’m
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soon as it is possible. i'm 'ust soon as it is possible. i'm just wondering _ soon as it is possible. i'm just wondering what your view is and — just wondering what your view is and why— just wondering what your view is and why this _ just wondering what your view is and why this is _ just wondering what your view is and why this is happening . is and why this is happening now? — is and why this is happening now? is _ is and why this is happening now? is it— is and why this is happening now? is it the _ is and why this is happening now? is it the exhaustion i is and why this is happening now? is it the exhaustion of the process— now? is it the exhaustion of the process or— now? is it the exhaustion of the process or it _ now? is it the exhaustion of the process or it is- now? is it the exhaustion of the process or it is a - now? is it the exhaustion of the process or it is a new. now? is it the exhaustion of| the process or it is a new uk government? _ the process or it is a new uk government? [— the process or it is a new uk government?— the process or it is a new uk government? i think it is a bit of both. the _ government? i think it is a bit of both. the courts, _ government? i think it is a bit of both. the courts, as - government? i think it is a bit of both. the courts, as john i of both. the courts, asjohn has — of both. the courts, asjohn hasjust_ of both. the courts, asjohn hasjust explained, have actually, i think, hasjust explained, have actually, ithink, have got hasjust explained, have actually, i think, have got fed up actually, i think, have got fed up with— actually, i think, have got fed up with the government delaying and delaying all the time. and they— and delaying all the time. and they have decided that something needs done to bring this to — something needs done to bring this to an— something needs done to bring this to an end. so the courts have — this to an end. so the courts have helped, the new government has helped, hilary benn seems like a _ has helped, hilary benn seems like a genuine guy who wants to bring _ like a genuine guy who wants to bring closure to a commitment made — bring closure to a commitment made twice by previous governments. sol made twice by previous governments. so i think it is all combined together. and it started — all combined together. and it started from the supreme court
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judgment. although the tory government was in then, i mean, it is the _ government was in then, i mean, it is the highest court in the land. — it is the highest court in the land. and _ it is the highest court in the land, and if they are making that— land, and if they are making that sort— land, and if they are making that sort of a decision, the government really has to sit up and take — government really has to sit up and take notice and decide, finally, _ and take notice and decide, finally, "let's have some closure _ finally, "let's have some closure on this." channel 4. anybody — closure on this." channel 4. anybody else? _ closure on this." channel 4. anybody else? i _ closure on this." channel 4. anybody else? i wanted - closure on this." channel 4. anybody else? i wanted to l closure on this." channel 4. i anybody else? i wanted to ask closure on this." channel 4. - anybody else? i wanted to ask a ruestion anybody else? i wanted to ask a question about _ anybody else? i wanted to ask a question about your _ anybody else? i wanted to ask a question about your response i anybody else? i wanted to ask a question about your response to j question about your response to some of the comments we have heard from unionist politicians, some of whom made the point that many other families are not getting inquiries, many otherfamilies inquiries, many other families are inquiries, many otherfamilies are still waiting for answers. how do you respond to that suggestion that your family in some way has got preferential treatment? i some way has got preferential treatment?— treatment? i have to say, i
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hear the — treatment? i have to say, i hear the term _ treatment? i have to say, i hear the term preferential| hear the term preferential treatment. _ hear the term preferential treatment, and _ hear the term preferential treatment, and if- hear the term preferential treatment, and if you - hear the term preferential treatment, and if you cani treatment, and if you can indulge _ treatment, and if you can indulge me _ treatment, and if you can indulge me on— treatment, and if you can indulge me on this, - treatment, and if you can indulge me on this, it- treatment, and if you can indulge me on this, it is. treatment, and if you can. indulge me on this, it is very difficult _ indulge me on this, it is very difficult to — indulge me on this, it is very difficult to square _ indulge me on this, it is very difficult to square that - indulge me on this, it is very difficult to square that with l difficult to square that with the experience _ difficult to square that with the experience of- difficult to square that with the experience of my- difficult to square that withi the experience of my family have — the experience of my family have treen— the experience of my family have been through - the experience of my family have been through for - the experience of my family have been through for overl the experience of my family. have been through for over 35 years — have been through for over 35 years first— have been through for over 35 years. first of _ have been through for over 35 years. first of all, _ have been through for over 35 years. first of all, the - have been through for over 35 years. first of all, the state . years. first of all, the state targeted _ years. first of all, the state targeted and _ years. first of all, the state targeted and set _ years. first of all, the state targeted and set in - years. first of all, the state targeted and set in place i years. first of all, the state. targeted and set in place and are set— targeted and set in place and are set in— targeted and set in place and are set in motion— targeted and set in place and are set in motion events - targeted and set in place and are set in motion events thatj are set in motion events that meant — are set in motion events that meant my— are set in motion events that meant my father— are set in motion events that meant my father was - are set in motion events that. meant my father was murdered are set in motion events that- meant my father was murdered in front— meant my father was murdered in front of— meant my father was murdered in front of all— meant my father was murdered in front of all of— meant my father was murdered in front of all of us _ meant my father was murdered in front of all of us as _ meant my father was murdered in front of all of us as we _ meant my father was murdered in front of all of us as we ate - front of all of us as we ate our— front of all of us as we ate our dinner _ front of all of us as we ate our dinner. the _ front of all of us as we ate our dinner. the term - front of all of us as we ate - our dinner. the term collusion was _ our dinner. the term collusion was dismissed, _ our dinner. the term collusion was dismissed, not _ our dinner. the term collusion was dismissed, notjust- was dismissed, notjust dismissed _ was dismissed, notjust dismissed when - was dismissed, notjust dismissed when i - was dismissed, notjust dismissed when i was l was dismissed, notjust- dismissed when i was growing up but, dismissed when i was growing up but. to— dismissed when i was growing up but. to utter— dismissed when i was growing up but, to utter those _ dismissed when i was growing up but, to utter those words, - dismissed when i was growing up but, to utter those words, you i but, to utter those words, you are viewed _ but, to utter those words, you are viewed in— but, to utter those words, you are viewed in a _ but, to utter those words, you are viewed in a certain - but, to utter those words, you are viewed in a certain light. l are viewed in a certain light. and — are viewed in a certain light. and to — are viewed in a certain light. and to be _ are viewed in a certain light. and to be quite _ are viewed in a certain light. and to be quite frank- are viewed in a certain light. and to be quite frank aboutl are viewed in a certain light. l and to be quite frank about it, it was— and to be quite frank about it, it was dangerous, _ and to be quite frank about it, it was dangerous, at _ and to be quite frank about it, it was dangerous, at times, i and to be quite frank about it, it was dangerous, at times, to make — it was dangerous, at times, to make allegations— it was dangerous, at times, to make allegations of— it was dangerous, at times, to make allegations of collusion. make allegations of collusion against — make allegations of collusion against the _ make allegations of collusion against the state _ make allegations of collusion against the state in - make allegations of collusion against the state in the i against the state in the aftermath _ against the state in the aftermath of _ against the state in the aftermath of my - against the state in the i aftermath of my father's murder~ _ aftermath of my father's murder. every— aftermath of my father's murder. every single i aftermath of my father's murder. every single bit| aftermath of my father's . murder. every single bit of progress _ murder. every single bit of progress we _ murder. every single bit of progress we have - murder. every single bit of progress we have had i murder. every single bit of progress we have had as l murder. every single bit of progress we have had as a | progress we have had as a family— progress we have had as a family has— progress we have had as a family has had _ progress we have had as a family has had to - progress we have had as a family has had to be i progress we have had as a | family has had to be fought for. — family has had to be fought for. it— family has had to be fought for. it has— family has had to be fought for, it has never— family has had to be fought for, it has never been- family has had to be fought. for, it has never been handed to us — for, it has never been handed to us we _ for, it has never been handed to us. we have _ for, it has never been handed to us. we have had _ for, it has never been handed to us. we have had to - for, it has never been handed to us. we have had to fight i for, it has never been handed to us. we have had to fight in court. — to us. we have had to fight in court, domestic— to us. we have had to fight in court, domestic and - court, domestic and international. - court, domestic and international. my. court, domestic and i international. my mother court, domestic and - international. my mother has not only— international. my mother has not only had _ international. my mother has not only had to _ international. my mother has not only had to deal - international. my mother has not only had to deal with i international. my mother has i not only had to deal with being a widow— not only had to deal with being a widow and _ not only had to deal with being a widow and raising _ not only had to deal with being a widow and raising three i not only had to deal with being i a widow and raising three young
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children. — a widow and raising three young children. she _ a widow and raising three young children, she has— a widow and raising three young children, she has had _ a widow and raising three young children, she has had to- a widow and raising three young children, she has had to travel. children, she has had to travel the world _ children, she has had to travel the world to _ children, she has had to travel the world to gain _ children, she has had to travel the world to gain support, i the world to gain support, which _ the world to gain support, which we _ the world to gain support, which we have _ the world to gain support, which we have had. - the world to gain support, which we have had. and i the world to gain support, i which we have had. and every single — which we have had. and every single trit— which we have had. and every single bit of— which we have had. and every single bit of progress - which we have had. and every single bit of progress over i which we have had. and every single bit of progress over a l single bit of progress over a painful— single bit of progress over a painful 35— single bit of progress over a painful35 and _ single bit of progress over a painful 35 and a _ single bit of progress over a painful 35 and a half - single bit of progress over a painful 35 and a half years l single bit of progress over a . painful 35 and a half years has been — painful 35 and a half years has been hard—fought, _ painful 35 and a half years has been hard—fought, and - painful 35 and a half years has been hard—fought, and i- painful 35 and a half years has| been hard—fought, and i would been hard—fought, and i would be very— been hard—fought, and i would be very slow— been hard—fought, and i would be very slow to _ been hard—fought, and i would be very slow to describe - been hard—fought, and i would be very slow to describe that l be very slow to describe that as preferential— be very slow to describe that as preferential treatment. i be very slow to describe thatl as preferential treatment. we were — as preferential treatment. we were given _ as preferential treatment. we were given a _ as preferential treatment. we were given a commitment i as preferential treatment. we i were given a commitment nearly 20 years— were given a commitment nearly 20 years ago— were given a commitment nearly 20 years ago now— were given a commitment nearly 20 years ago now that _ were given a commitment nearly 20 years ago now that if- were given a commitment nearly 20 years ago now that if a - 20 years ago now that if a judge _ 20 years ago now that if a judge of— 20 years ago now that if a judge of international- 20 years ago now that if a i judge of international standing felt that— judge of international standing felt that there _ judge of international standing felt that there should - judge of international standing felt that there should be i judge of international standing felt that there should be an i felt that there should be an inquiry, _ felt that there should be an inquiry, then— felt that there should be an inquiry, then the _ felt that there should be an inquiry, then the relevant. inquiry, then the relevant government— inquiry, then the relevant government would - inquiry, then the relevant government would have i inquiry, then the relevant. government would have that inquiry _ government would have that inquiry. the _ government would have that inquiry. the irish _ government would have thatl inquiry. the irish government lived — inquiry. the irish government lived up — inquiry. the irish government lived up to— inquiry. the irish government lived up to their _ inquiry. the irish governmentl lived up to their commitment, the british— lived up to their commitment, the british government - lived up to their commitment, the british government lived l lived up to their commitment, i the british government lived up to their— the british government lived up to their commitment _ the british government lived up to their commitment in - the british government lived up to their commitment in all i to their commitment in all other— to their commitment in all other cases _ to their commitment in all other cases by— to their commitment in all other cases by one, - to their commitment in all other cases by one, and i to their commitment in all . other cases by one, and that was — other cases by one, and that was my— other cases by one, and that was my father's _ other cases by one, and that was my father's murder. i other cases by one, and that| was my father's murder. and other cases by one, and that i was my father's murder. and we have _ was my father's murder. and we have had — was my father's murder. and we have had to _ was my father's murder. and we have had to fight _ was my father's murder. and we have had to fight tooth - was my father's murder. and we have had to fight tooth and i have had to fight tooth and nail— have had to fight tooth and nail every— have had to fight tooth and nail every step— have had to fight tooth and nail every step of- have had to fight tooth and nail every step of the i have had to fight tooth and nail every step of the way, | have had to fight tooth and . nail every step of the way, at times— nail every step of the way, at times in_ nail every step of the way, at times in the _ nail every step of the way, at times in the face _ nail every step of the way, at times in the face of- nail every step of the way, at times in the face of being - times in the face of being insulted _ times in the face of being insulted by— times in the face of being insulted by people - times in the face of being insulted by people within| times in the face of being. insulted by people within the british— insulted by people within the british government - insulted by people within the british government and - insulted by people within the . british government and outside of the _ british government and outside of the government, _ british government and outside of the government, so - british government and outside of the government, so i- british government and outside of the government, so i think. of the government, so i think you could _ of the government, so i think you could forgive _ of the government, so i think you could forgive me - of the government, so i think you could forgive me and - of the government, so i think you could forgive me and my| you could forgive me and my family— you could forgive me and my family for— you could forgive me and my family for saying _ you could forgive me and my family for saying that - you could forgive me and my family for saying that today i you could forgive me and myi family for saying that today is not something _ family for saying that today is not something that _ family for saying that today is not something that we - family for saying that today is| not something that we looked family for saying that today is i not something that we looked at as preferential— not something that we looked at as preferential treatment. - not something that we looked at as preferential treatment. and l as preferential treatment. and iwitt_ as preferential treatment. and twitt also _ as preferential treatment. and twitt also say _ as preferential treatment. and i will also say that, _ i will also say that, throughout- i will also say that, throughout 35- i will also say that, i throughout 35 years, i will also say that, - throughout 35 years, it i will also say that, _ throughout 35 years, it began with— throughout 35 years, it began with my— throughout 35 years, it began with my mum _ throughout 35 years, it began with my mum has— throughout 35 years, it began with my mum has carried - throughout 35 years, it began with my mum has carried on. with my mum has carried on
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through— with my mum has carried on through of— with my mum has carried on through of us, _ with my mum has carried on through of us, we _ with my mum has carried on through of us, we have - with my mum has carried on l through of us, we have always been — through of us, we have always been clear— through of us, we have always been clear that _ through of us, we have always been clear that truth - through of us, we have always been clear that truth and - been clear that truth and justice _ been clear that truth and justice applies _ been clear that truth and justice applies to - been clear that truth and justice applies to every. been clear that truth and - justice applies to every single person— justice applies to every single person who _ justice applies to every single person who was _ justice applies to every single person who was unfortunate i person who was unfortunate enough _ person who was unfortunate enough to _ person who was unfortunate enough to be _ person who was unfortunate enough to be hit _ person who was unfortunate enough to be hit by- person who was unfortunate enough to be hit by our- enough to be hit by our conflict _ enough to be hit by our conflict and _ enough to be hit by our conflict and our- enough to be hit by our conflict and our past, l enough to be hit by our. conflict and our past, and enough to be hit by our- conflict and our past, and that is without— conflict and our past, and that is without partiality, _ conflict and our past, and that is without partiality, without l is without partiality, without any equivocation. _ is without partiality, without any equivocation. we - is without partiality, without any equivocation. we have l is without partiality, without - any equivocation. we have been consistent— any equivocation. we have been consistent in— any equivocation. we have been consistent in that. _ any equivocation. we have been consistent in that. so _ any equivocation. we have been consistent in that. so any- consistent in that. so any other— consistent in that. so any other family— consistent in that. so any other family that- consistent in that. so any. other family that continues consistent in that. so any- other family that continues to fight — other family that continues to fight for— other family that continues to fight for truth _ other family that continues to fight for truth and _ other family that continues to fight for truth and justice - fight for truth and justice witt— fight for truth and justice will have _ fight for truth and justice will have our— fight for truth and justice will have our support, i fight for truth and justice i will have our support, and fight for truth and justice - will have our support, and we know — will have our support, and we know what _ will have our support, and we know what it _ will have our support, and we know what it is _ will have our support, and we know what it is like _ will have our support, and we know what it is like when - will have our support, and we know what it is like when the | know what it is like when the system — know what it is like when the system is _ know what it is like when the system is put _ know what it is like when the system is put in _ know what it is like when the system is put in place - know what it is like when the system is put in place to- system is put in place to frustrate _ system is put in place to frustrate you _ system is put in place to frustrate you and - system is put in place tol frustrate you and prevent system is put in place to- frustrate you and prevent you from — frustrate you and prevent you from getting _ frustrate you and prevent you from getting answers. - frustrate you and prevent you from getting answers. but. frustrate you and prevent you . from getting answers. but what i from getting answers. but what i have _ from getting answers. but what i have atways _ from getting answers. but what i have always believed, - from getting answers. but what i have always believed, that - from getting answers. but what i have always believed, that is. i have always believed, that is a personal— i have always believed, that is a personal view, _ i have always believed, that is a personal view, is— i have always believed, that is a personal view, is that - i have always believed, that is a personal view, is that wheni i have always believed, that is| a personal view, is that when i took— a personal view, is that when i took at — a personal view, is that when i took at other— a personal view, is that when i look at other families - a personal view, is that when i look at other families that - a personal view, is that when i look at other families that get| look at other families that get success, — look at other families that get success, it— look at other families that get success, if that _ look at other families that get success, if that is _ look at other families that get success, if that is the - look at other families that get success, if that is the right. success, if that is the right word, _ success, if that is the right word, and _ success, if that is the right word, and we _ success, if that is the right word, and we have - success, if that is the right word, and we have had - success, if that is the right - word, and we have had examples of that— word, and we have had examples of that over— word, and we have had examples of that over previous _ word, and we have had examples of that over previous years - of that over previous years through— of that over previous years through civil— of that over previous years through civil cases, - of that over previous years| through civil cases, judicial reviews _ through civil cases, judicial reviews and _ through civil cases, judicial reviews and particularly - through civil cases, judicial| reviews and particularly the inquest _ reviews and particularly the inquest system, _ reviews and particularly the inquest system, not - reviews and particularly the inquest system, not the - reviews and particularly the . inquest system, not the least to mention _ inquest system, not the least to mention the _ inquest system, not the least to mention the bloody- inquest system, not the least| to mention the bloody sunday families, _ to mention the bloody sunday families, when— to mention the bloody sunday families, when i— to mention the bloody sunday families, when i see - to mention the bloody sunday families, when i see other- families, when i see other famities— families, when i see other families having _ families, when i see other families having worked . families having worked tirelessly— families having worked tirelessly for— families having worked tirelessly for decades. families having worked - tirelessly for decades getting the answer— tirelessly for decades getting the answer is _ tirelessly for decades getting the answer is that _ tirelessly for decades getting the answer is that they - tirelessly for decades getting the answer is that they had l the answer is that they had fought— the answer is that they had fought for. _ the answer is that they had fought for, that _ the answer is that they had fought for, that has - the answer is that they had fought for, that has given i the answer is that they had i fought for, that has given us a boost — fought for, that has given us a boost that _ fought for, that has given us a boost. that has _ fought for, that has given us a boost. that has inspired - fought for, that has given us a boost. that has inspired me . fought for, that has given us a l boost. that has inspired me and that has— boost. that has inspired me and that has make _ boost. that has inspired me and that has make sure _ boost. that has inspired me and that has make sure that, - boost. that has inspired me and that has make sure that, in - that has make sure that, in those — that has make sure that, in those dark— that has make sure that, in those dark days _ that has make sure that, in those dark days when - that has make sure that, in those dark days when you i that has make sure that, in - those dark days when you don't think—
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those dark days when you don't think you — those dark days when you don't think you will _ those dark days when you don't think you will be _ those dark days when you don't think you will be sitting - those dark days when you don't think you will be sitting here i think you will be sitting here on a — think you will be sitting here on a day— think you will be sitting here on a day like _ think you will be sitting here on a day like today, - think you will be sitting here on a day like today, that - think you will be sitting here on a day like today, that you keep— on a day like today, that you keep going. _ on a day like today, that you keep going, even _ on a day like today, that you keep going, even when - on a day like today, that you keep going, even when it. on a day like today, that you keep going, even when it is| keep going, even when it is difficult _ keep going, even when it is difficult. so— keep going, even when it is difficult. so that _ keep going, even when it is difficult. so that is - keep going, even when it is difficult. so that is how- keep going, even when it is difficult. so that is how i. difficult. so that is how i would _ difficult. so that is how i would respond - difficult. so that is how i would respond to - difficult. so that is how i would respond to that. i difficult. so that is howl. would respond to that. but difficult. so that is how i- would respond to that. but i think— would respond to that. but i think more _ would respond to that. but i think more importantly, - would respond to that. but i. think more importantly, people can make — think more importantly, people can make their— think more importantly, people can make their own _ think more importantly, people can make their own minds - think more importantly, people can make their own minds up . think more importantly, people| can make their own minds up as to how— can make their own minds up as to howthey— can make their own minds up as to how they think _ can make their own minds up as to how they think the _ can make their own minds up as to how they think the family- can make their own minds up as to how they think the family of. to how they think the family of pat finucane _ to how they think the family of pat finucane have _ to how they think the family of pat finucane have been - to how they think the family of. pat finucane have been treated. david cameron told you in 2011 that there were people in buildings around whitehall... inaudible how confident are you that this inquiry, do you think the british government will allow the truth to come out?- british government will allow the truth to come out? what the government _ the truth to come out? what the government has _ the truth to come out? what the government has said _ the truth to come out? what the government has said today - the truth to come out? what the government has said today is - government has said today is that— government has said today is that they— government has said today is that they will— government has said today is that they will establish - government has said today is that they will establish a - that they will establish a public— that they will establish a public inquiry, _ that they will establish a public inquiry, that- that they will establish a public inquiry, that has. that they will establish a i public inquiry, that has to that they will establish a - public inquiry, that has to be welcomed _ public inquiry, that has to be welcomed and _ public inquiry, that has to be welcomed and is— public inquiry, that has to be welcomed and is hugely- welcomed and is hugely significant. _ welcomed and is hugely significant. it— welcomed and is hugely significant. it has- welcomed and is hugely significant. it has never| significant. it has never happened _ significant. it has never happened. to- significant. it has never happened. to us- significant. it has never
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happened. to us as - significant. it has never happened. to us as a l significant. it has never- happened. to us as a family before _ happened. to us as a family before we _ happened. to us as a family before. we look— happened. to us as a family before. we look forward - happened. to us as a family before. we look forward toi before. we look forward to engaging _ before. we look forward to engaging with _ before. we look forward to engaging with an _ before. we look forward to engaging with an inquiry. before. we look forward to . engaging with an inquiry that is credible. _ engaging with an inquiry that is credible, that _ engaging with an inquiry that is credible, that has - engaging with an inquiry that is credible, that has all- engaging with an inquiry that is credible, that has all of. is credible, that has all of the — is credible, that has all of the powers— is credible, that has all of the powers that _ is credible, that has all of the powers that it - is credible, that has all of the powers that it is- is credible, that has all of. the powers that it is entitled to have, _ the powers that it is entitled to have, and _ the powers that it is entitled to have, and we _ the powers that it is entitled to have, and we look- the powers that it is entitled to have, and we look to- the powers that it is entitled i to have, and we look to engage in that — to have, and we look to engage in that we _ to have, and we look to engage in that. we know— to have, and we look to engage in that. we know what - to have, and we look to engage in that. we know what our- in that. we know what our campaign _ in that. we know what our campaign is _ in that. we know what our campaign is about, - in that. we know what our campaign is about, we - in that. we know what our. campaign is about, we know in that. we know what our- campaign is about, we know the allegations _ campaign is about, we know the allegations that— campaign is about, we know the allegations that we _ campaign is about, we know the allegations that we have - campaign is about, we know the allegations that we have made, | allegations that we have made, we know — allegations that we have made, we know what _ allegations that we have made, we know what has _ allegations that we have made, we know what has overly- allegations that we have made, we know what has overly been| we know what has overly been accepted _ we know what has overly been accepted we _ we know what has overly been accepted. we are _ we know what has overly been accepted. we are not - we know what has overly been accepted. we are not naive i we know what has overly been accepted. we are not naive in| accepted. we are not naive in that— accepted. we are not naive in that sense _ accepted. we are not naive in that sense. but _ accepted. we are not naive in that sense. but today - accepted. we are not naive in that sense. but today is - accepted. we are not naive in that sense. but today is a - accepted. we are not naive in| that sense. but today is a rare day for — that sense. but today is a rare day for us _ that sense. but today is a rare day for us in _ that sense. but today is a rare day for us in that _ that sense. but today is a rare day for us in that after- that sense. but today is a rare day for us in that after 35 - that sense. but today is a rare day for us in that after 35 and i day for us in that after 35 and a half— day for us in that after 35 and a half years— day for us in that after 35 and a half years we _ day for us in that after 35 and a half years we can _ day for us in that after 35 and a half years we can feel- a half years we can feel vindication, _ a half years we can feel vindication, that- a half years we can feel vindication, that we - a half years we can feel| vindication, that we can a half years we can feel- vindication, that we can point to something _ vindication, that we can point to something as _ vindication, that we can point to something as a _ vindication, that we can point to something as a success. i vindication, that we can point . to something as a success. and it is not— to something as a success. and it is not the _ to something as a success. and it is not the end _ to something as a success. and it is not the end of— to something as a success. and it is not the end of our- it is not the end of our journey, _ it is not the end of our journey, we _ it is not the end of our journey, we know- it is not the end of our journey, we know in. it is not the end of our. journey, we know in one it is not the end of our- journey, we know in one sense the real— journey, we know in one sense the real battle _ journey, we know in one sense the real battle begins, - journey, we know in one sense the real battle begins, but- the real battle begins, but today— the real battle begins, but today is— the real battle begins, but today is a _ the real battle begins, but today is a day— the real battle begins, but today is a day that - the real battle begins, but today is a day that i - the real battle begins, but today is a day that i thinki the real battle begins, butl today is a day that i think is a vindication _ today is a day that i think is a vindication of _ today is a day that i think is a vindication of my- today is a day that i think is| a vindication of my mother's strength, _ a vindication of my mother's strength, mother's - a vindication of my mother's i strength, mother's leadership to us— strength, mother's leadership to us as — strength, mother's leadership to us as a _ strength, mother's leadership to us as a family— strength, mother's leadership to us as a family over- strength, mother's leadership to us as a family over 35- strength, mother's leadership to us as a family over 35 and i strength, mother's leadership| to us as a family over 35 and a half— to us as a family over 35 and a half years. _ to us as a family over 35 and a half years, and _ to us as a family over 35 and a half years, and as _ to us as a family over 35 and a half years, and as i _ to us as a family over 35 and a half years, and as i say, - to us as a family over 35 and a half years, and as i say, we i half years, and as i say, we look— half years, and as i say, we look forward _ half years, and as i say, we look forward to _ half years, and as i say, we look forward to sitting - half years, and as i say, we| look forward to sitting down and getting _ look forward to sitting down and getting stuck— look forward to sitting down and getting stuck in- look forward to sitting down and getting stuck in and - and getting stuck in and engaging _ and getting stuck in and engaging with _ and getting stuck in and engaging with the - and getting stuck in and engaging with the work| and getting stuck in and - engaging with the work that an inquiry— engaging with the work that an inquiry will— engaging with the work that an inquiry will bring. _
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thank you very much. thank you, all. thank you very much. thank you, all- thank— thank you very much. thank you, all- thank you — thank you very much. thank you, all. thank you very _ thank you very much. thank you, all. thank you very much. - all. thank you very much. applause _ applause so, the family of pat finucane their speaking, so, the family of pat finucane theirspeaking, giving so, the family of pat finucane their speaking, giving their reaction after the uk government announced the establishment of that independent inquiry into the murder of the belfast solicitor pat finucane. worth just reminding ourselves that pat finucane was 39 years old when he was shot by loyalist paramilitaries at his home in 1989 in front of his wife geraldine, who spoke there, and his children, one of whom, john, was speaking there as well. emotionaladdress john, was speaking there as well. emotional address from geraldine. john is a sinn fein politician and solicitor. let's speak to sarah gavin who was
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watching this and monitoring this following that announcement. by the uk government offer inquiry. yeah, a really emotional— government offer inquiry. yeah, a really emotional address, - government offer inquiry. yeah, a really emotional address, as i a really emotional address, as you say, by geraldine. 0f you say, by geraldine. of course as you mentioned, we understand and remember that she was actually there when her husband was murdered back in 1989 and their belfast family home, when members of the eda, the ulster defence association, a loyalist paramilitary group, forced their way into that home and shot her husband in front of her and their children. he was shot 1a times, and of the uda at the time said that they had attacked mr finucane because he was a member of the ira, something that was rejected by police utterly, that claim. and just remind you of how long this has been going on for, of course, the fact it is a 35 years on has been mentioned many, many times, but it was back in 2012 when the
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then prime minister david cameron apologised for state collusion in the murder of pat finucane. fast forward to 2024, this new labour government has had to make a choice about whether it was going to hold a public inquiry into the killing or not, following years and years of legal action by geraldine finucane, who you have just heard from. over those years, over those three decades, there have been many investigations, lots of legal action, as i said. there have been broken promises, but never a public inquiry. as you heard there, that is always what the family have said is the only thing that can give them the answer is that they want on this killing, and on the level of state collusion. because they believe that it went much further than what has been uncovered so far. we just heard earlier this afternoon from the secretary of state, hilary
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benn, about this public inquiry. when he was speaking, he said it would be held because if the exceptional reason of outstanding and unfulfilled commitments by previous governments, and that is why he thinks and has announced a public inquiry will go ahead. he says he hopes for transparency, that the inquiry will avoid unnecessary cost, and that his government will work together for and that his government will work togetherfor a and that his government will work together for a better future for all of the people in northern ireland. but there has been a lot of political reaction, as you can imagine. the announcement of this public inquiry has been welcomed by northern ireland's first minister michelle o'neill of sinn fein. you just heard from john finucane during that press conference, pat finucane's son, he is a sinn fein mp, it has also been welcomed by the irish taoiseach. from the dup, gavin robinson, he is the leader of northern ireland's largest
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unionist party, he said this decision will heap further misery on families and that today's decision sent a message that this murder is more deserving of investigation than others. and i think that the discrepancy in that political reaction really demonstrates just how difficult troubles— era killings and murders and the fallout can be for many people in northern ireland, all of these years on. than of these years on. an incredibly _ of these years on. an incredibly difficult situation. the announcement was welcomed by the taoiseach with simon harris they're saying that the irish government stands ready to work with westminster. we have arguably been seeing an improvement in relations between the two leaders, between the two leaders, between ireland's leader, the republic's lead and the uk leader, we have the visit that we were talking last week about with the uk prime minister there in meeting simon harris.
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is this a part of that lettering over relations between the two nations? yeah, absolutely _ between the two nations? yeah, absolutely. keir— between the two nations? yeah, absolutely. keir starmer - between the two nations? yeah, absolutely. keir starmer was - between the two nations? yeah, absolutely. keir starmer was in l absolutely. keir starmer was in dublin meeting the taoiseach simon harrisjust on dublin meeting the taoiseach simon harris just on saturday. and how the legacy of northern ireland's troubles is dealt with something that they said they were going to talk about and did discuss. just to explain the previous conservative government, they had brought forward what was called the legacy act. they said it was, in their words, to draw a line under the trouble is, to move forward from that. all the political parties in northern ireland, it could be argued they don't agree on too much, but they were united in their disappointment at the legacy act, so were all of the political parties in the republic of ireland. i think it is fair to say that if the conservative government were still in power, this public inquiry would not have been announced, because that legacy act meant there would be no
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future public inquiries for troubles — era killings. but the labour party since they came in to power, into government, they said they would repeal and replace the legacy act. we are still waiting to hear more details on that, but this obviously shows a very firm step forward in doing just that, and announcing this public inquiry. we heard about this reset of relationships, that was the work that was used again and again, a reset of relations between britain and ireland, and this will certainly be an important step forward in that. well, our ireland correspondent they're speaking to us and are just giving us context of that. thank you so much on that day when we have been hearing from the family of pat finucane. we have a live page on our website where we have much more reaction, analysis to this news that the inquiry will be opened into the murder of pat finucane, who was killed in
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front of his wife and children in 1989. much more reaction on our website, in 1989. much more reaction on ourwebsite, of in 1989. much more reaction on our website, of course. in 1989. much more reaction on ourwebsite, of course. now let'sjust ourwebsite, of course. now let's just get the latest on the other major story today, kamala harris and donald trump have clashed in their first debate of the election campaign. the spare part —— the pest part. the abc news presidential debate. here now, david muir and linsey davis. good evening. i'm david muir and thank you forjoining us for tonight's abc news presidential debate — not just the first debate for these two as presidential candidates, but the first time these two have ever met. that was about as friendly as it got as they came to debate in philadelphia,
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the so—called city of brotherly love. not so much. she's a marxist. everybody knows she's a marxist. people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom. but soon they got on to issues such as immigration, a key concern for voters and one that could be a strength for the former a strength for the former president, though he chose president, though he chose to focus on unsubstantiated claims about migrants to focus on unsubstantiated claims about migrants eating people's pets. eating people's pets. in springfield, they're in springfield, they're eating the dogs. eating the dogs. the people that came in, the people that came in, they're eating the cats. they're eating the cats. they're eating... they're eating... the vice president could the vice president could scarcely contain herself. scarcely contain herself. ..of the people that ..of the people that live there. live there. moderators attempted moderators attempted to fact—check the former contentious issue of abortion. to fact—check the former president on several occasions president on several occasions during the debate. during the debate. abc news did reach out abc news did reach out to the city manager there. to the city manager there. he told us there have been no he told us there have been no credible reports of specific credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by injured or abused by individuals within the individuals within the immigrant community. immigrant community. well, i've seen well, i've seen people on television. let me just say here, people on television. let me just say here, this is the... this is the... people on television say my dog people on television say my dog was taken and used for food. was taken and used for food.
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he had this to say on the he had this to say on the contentious issue of abortion. will she allow abortion in the eighth month? ninth month? seventh month? come on. 0k. would you do that? the economy was always going to be a hugely important issue. it's what most americans really care about. she is biden. you know, she's trying to get away from biden. i don't know that... and donald trump attempted to tie kamala harris to her boss. worst inflation we've ever had.
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himself appearing in the spin room, talking to a whole pack of journalists, hundreds ofjournalists, a sign that he thinks this did not go well. gary o'donoghue, bbc news, philadelphia. the us secretary of state antony blinken and the uk foreign secretary david lammy are in kyiv on a joint visit. the foreign secretary announced a new £600 million support package for ukraine, including for humanitarion needs. mr blinken said the two nations stood "shoulder to shoulder in the support of ukraine" and the visit showed their commitment to helping defeat the russian invasion. ukraine's president volodymyr zelensky said "strong decisions" need to be made. lots more on all of our stories on a website, that is all from me.
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"we are turning the page on inflation.." the white house declares victory over soaring prices, but economists are not so sure. also coming up — a costly debate for trump. shares of his media firms sink as betting shifts towards a harris victory. forging a future for steel. the uk confirms a half—billion pound hand out to save steelmaking in wales but two and a half thousand workers are still expected to lose theirjobs. welcome to business today. "we are turning the page on inflation". that is the claim from the white house — after figures out in the last few hours showed the rate of price rises continuing to ease. the federal reserve wants to be sure inflation is back under control before it begins cutting the cost of borrowing from its two decade high — its expected to do that
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