joining me tonight are dr christina greer, kamala harris managed to keepi donald trump on the defensive, the associate professor of political science at fordham university in new york, miles taylor, who was chief of staff of the department of homeland security during the trump administration, caroline modarressy—tehrani, emmy—nominated journalist who has covered four us presidential elections, and abel maldonado, former lieutenant governor of california. and i am mind to call... we will get that right as we go! before we do that, though, let's get the latest bbc news. here is the latest. ukraine's president zelensky has called for what he called strong decisions about allowing his country to use

long—range western weapons for strikes inside russia. his remarks coincide with a visit to kyiv by the us secretary of state and british foreign secretary. initial polls in the united states suggest vice president kamala harris outperformed donald trump in tuesday's presidential debate. the two candidates have both attended ceremonies to remember the victims of the september 11 attacks on america, exchanging a handshake. the uk economy flatlined in july for the second month in a row, according to officialfigures. manufacturing and construction declined, services — spurred on by a busy summer of sport — was the only part of the economy to record some growth. the head of mexico's supreme court has expressed pessimism about the country's future, after congress approved a bill under which alljudges will be elected by popular vote. justice norma pina said the new rules would undermine the autonomy ofjudges. welcome back to the programme. if there is one thing we know about donald trump's character, it is that his ego invariably gets in the way of what many

others would consider a sound political strategy. he doesn't prep for these debates. he rarely sticks to talking points his campaign prepare for him. he often underestimates in public the calibre of his opponent. injune, at the first cnn debate, he was saved by the self—immolation of joe biden. but last night, it was different. the former president — spinning on his own behalf — says he won it hands down, his best debate so far. and his supporters tried to apply a similar gloss. but up against the vice president, 20 years hisjunior, the body language on stage told a very different story. we have inflation like very few people have ever seen before, probably the worst in our nation's history. donald trump left us the worst unemployment since the great depression. i have concepts of a plan. i'm not president right now. donald trump was fired by 81 million people, so let's be clear about that, and clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that.

caroline, the democratic friend adjust, clearly elated by all this. it could have hardly been better unless it was on october the 11th, not september the 11th, which is not an iith, which is not an inconsiderable point given how far we are from the election. do we think the fallout we have had today moves the needle? that's a really good question. kamala harris, she beat donald trump at his favourite medium which is television. she even use one of his lines in that clip against him, you were fired by 81 million people. i think she really nailed him on a number of body blows about his competency, about being a disgrace, she called into question his very bona fides. the question you asked i think is the important one. did she win the debate, the more of the internet the next day?

absolutely, i think hands down, the means will show that. will it move the needle? will it move the needle for undecided voters? are they going to change their minds come november? i think that's the tricky thing. people can say she won the debate but it might not necessarily translate into votes, which is why we have been hearing from the campaign, from now until election day, it is a close race, it is too close to call, because they don't want any kind of complacency. one debate is not going to win the election. that is the salient _ going to win the election. that is the salient point, _ going to win the election. that is the salient point, miles. we will come to donald trump and how he performed, but we are saying last night, 28% of voters needed to know more about kamala harris and many of those who are did you feel, your respective of how he performed, that she did enough to break away from joe biden and provide an alternative? yeah, i think she did. and i yeah, ithink she did. and i say— yeah, ithink she did. and i say that_ yeah, ithink she did. and i say that as someone who helped with donald trump's 2016 debate

prep _ with donald trump's 2016 debate prep. before i went into the administration i helped with the debate prep before his october debate against hillary clinton, — october debate against hillary clinton, and like you said, well— clinton, and like you said, we'll get— clinton, and like you said, we'll get to the fact that donald trump plunged himself in the face — donald trump plunged himself in the face in this debate, he did him _ the face in this debate, he did him self— the face in this debate, he did him self no favours, but on the other_ him self no favours, but on the other hand _ him self no favours, but on the other hand kamala harris really needed — other hand kamala harris really needed to perform. there was a lot of— needed to perform. there was a lot of pressure going into this debate — lot of pressure going into this debate that she appealed to those — debate that she appealed to those independent voters, and usually— those independent voters, and usually we say that the debates don't _ usually we say that the debates don't matter, especially earlier— don't matter, especially earlier in cycle, they don't really— earlier in cycle, they don't really change peoples votes, but in — really change peoples votes, but in this case we have an independent portion of the electorate that's going to be crucial— electorate that's going to be crucial to determining the outcome in november and they are saying they want and need to hear— are saying they want and need to hear more from kamala harris _ to hear more from kamala harris i_ to hear more from kamala harris. i thought she had a shaky— harris. i thought she had a shaky start. the first 15 minutes, she did not seem as confident— minutes, she did not seem as confident as you would want a presidential candidate to seem, which _ presidential candidate to seem, which was a surprise, because she's— which was a surprise, because she's heeri— which was a surprise, because she's been vice president of the united states, us senator, attorney— the united states, us senator, attorney general and california, but after about 15 minutes _ california, but after about 15 minutes not only did she find her stride, she clearly had

donald _ her stride, she clearly had donald trump against the ropes the rest — donald trump against the ropes the rest of the debate and you can guarantee, and i know because _ can guarantee, and i know because i_ can guarantee, and i know because i was talking to them, the folks— because i was talking to them, the folks in the spin room that were _ the folks in the spin room that were on— the folks in the spin room that were on herteam the folks in the spin room that were on her team were pumping their— were on her team were pumping their fists— were on her team were pumping theirfists in were on her team were pumping their fists in the air. they sew— their fists in the air. they saw this— their fists in the air. they saw this as a clear win and one that— saw this as a clear win and one that would _ saw this as a clear win and one that would hopefully help bring independence to her side. here's _ independence to her side. here's a _ independence to her side. here's a good example of donald trump taking the bait. the two candidates were asked a question on immigration — really good talking point for republicans. the vice president switched tack, openly trolling trump about the size of his campaign rallies and the conspiracy theories he often engenders. so boring, she said, people will leave early. and when the rebuttal came, he fell right into the trap. people don't go to her rallies. there's no reason to go. and the people that do go, she's bussing them in and paying them to be there. people don't leave my rallies. we have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics. dr greer, one of the things that really stood out to meet in the answers that he gave last night was that he couldn't

seemingly stick to a message. in some answers he started on message, and it was effective, but then it tails off, and i wonder if that speaks to the age issue, because we made such age issue, because we made such a big point withjoe biden that he could not trace an argument to a satisfactory conclusion. did we see some more of that last night? i did we see some more of that last night?— last night? i deftly thick we saw a lot — last night? i deftly thick we saw a lot of _ last night? i deftly thick we saw a lot of that _ last night? i deftly thick we saw a lot of that last - last night? i deftly thick we saw a lot of that last nightl saw a lot of that last night and — saw a lot of that last night and that's— saw a lot of that last night and that's why _ saw a lot of that last night and that's why i _ saw a lot of that last night and that's why i think- saw a lot of that last night and that's why i think thel and that's why i think the former— and that's why i think the former president - and that's why i think the former president is - and that's why i think the former president is a - and that's why i think thel former president is a little reticent _ former president is a little reticent to— former president is a little reticent to want _ former president is a little reticent to want to - former president is a little reticent to want to debate | reticent to want to debate agaih _ reticent to want to debate agaih you _ reticent to want to debate again. you could - reticent to want to debate again. you could almost. reticent to want to debate i again. you could almost hear the people _ again. you could almost hear the people who _ again. you could almost hear the people who prepped - again. you could almost hear the people who prepped him| again. you could almost hear. the people who prepped him in the people who prepped him in the debate _ the people who prepped him in the debate when _ the people who prepped him in the debate when he _ the people who prepped him in the debate when he would - the people who prepped him in| the debate when he would start saying. — the debate when he would start saying. don't— the debate when he would start saying. don't do— the debate when he would start saying, don't do it, _ the debate when he would start saying, don't do it, don't - the debate when he would start saying, don't do it, don't do - saying, don't do it, don't do it, saying, don't do it, don't do it. and — saying, don't do it, don't do it. and then _ saying, don't do it, don't do it, and then he _ saying, don't do it, don't do it, and then he went- saying, don't do it, don't do it, and then he went there, | saying, don't do it, don't do - it, and then he went there, and so it, and then he went there, and sothere's— it, and then he went there, and sothere'sa_ it, and then he went there, and so there's a lack— it, and then he went there, and so there's a lack of— it, and then he went there, and so there's a lack of discipline i so there's a lack of discipline that— so there's a lack of discipline that i— so there's a lack of discipline that i think— so there's a lack of discipline that i think kamala - so there's a lack of discipline that i think kamala harris . so there's a lack of disciplinel that i think kamala harrisjust stood — that i think kamala harrisjust stood hack— that i think kamala harrisjust stood back and _ that i think kamala harrisjust stood back and allow- that i think kamala harrisjust stood back and allow donald i stood back and allow donald trump — stood back and allow donald trump to _ stood back and allow donald trump to go _ stood back and allow donald trump to go into _ stood back and allow donald trump to go into his- stood back and allow donald trump to go into his usual. trump to go into his usual talking _ trump to go into his usual talking points _ trump to go into his usual talking points about - trump to go into his usual talking points about not. trump to go into his usual. talking points about notjust his raiiies _ talking points about notjust his rallies size _ talking points about notjust his rallies size but— talking points about notjust his rallies size but how- his rallies size but how terrihie _ his rallies size but how terrible all— his rallies size but how terrible all immigrants| his rallies size but how- terrible all immigrants are, we note _ terrible all immigrants are, we note he — terrible all immigrants are, we note he means _ terrible all immigrants are, we note he means black— terrible all immigrants are, we note he means black and - terrible all immigrants are, we i note he means black and brown immigrants— note he means black and brown immigrants specifically. - note he means black and brown immigrants specifically. his - immigrants specifically. his normai— immigrants specifically. his normal vitriol, _ immigrants specifically. his normal vitriol, and - immigrants specifically. his normal vitriol, and so - immigrants specifically. his normal vitriol, and so you l immigrants specifically. his . normal vitriol, and so you saw some — normal vitriol, and so you saw some of— normal vitriol, and so you saw some of her— normal vitriol, and so you saw some of her body— normal vitriol, and so you saw some of her body language i some of her body language saying. _ some of her body language saying, essentially, - some of her body language saying, essentially, this. some of her body language saying, essentially, this isi saying, essentially, this is what — saying, essentially, this is what you _ saying, essentially, this is what you have _ saying, essentially, this is what you have been - saying, essentially, this is. what you have been prepped saying, essentially, this is-

what you have been prepped not to do— what you have been prepped not to do and — what you have been prepped not to do and you _ what you have been prepped not to do and you are _ what you have been prepped not to do and you are absolutely- to do and you are absolutely disobeying _ to do and you are absolutely disobeying everyone - to do and you are absolutely disobeying everyone who . to do and you are absolutely. disobeying everyone who stood there _ disobeying everyone who stood there and — disobeying everyone who stood there and work— disobeying everyone who stood there and work with _ disobeying everyone who stood there and work with you - disobeying everyone who stood there and work with you for- there and work with you for this— there and work with you for this debate. _ there and work with you for this debate. she _ there and work with you for this debate. she definitelyl there and work with you for. this debate. she definitely had to show— this debate. she definitely had to show up. _ this debate. she definitely had to show up, 2—seam _ to show up, 2—seam presidential, - to show up, 2—seam presidential, just. to show up, 2—seam - presidential, just distance yourself— presidential, just distance yourself somewhat- presidential, just distance yourself somewhat from l presidential, just distance l yourself somewhat from joe biden, — yourself somewhat from joe biden, don't— yourself somewhat from joe biden, don't forget, - yourself somewhat from joe biden, don't forget, she's . biden, don't forget, she's stitt— biden, don't forget, she's still introducing _ biden, don't forget, she's still introducing herself. biden, don't forget, she's still introducing herself to the american _ still introducing herself to the american public- still introducing herself to the american public by. still introducing herself to i the american public by and large _ the american public by and large it's— the american public by and large. it's only— the american public by and large. it's only been - the american public by and large. it's only been six - the american public by and large. it's only been six or| large. it's only been six or seven— large. it's only been six or seven weeks— large. it's only been six or seven weeks since - large. it's only been six or seven weeks since she - large. it's only been six or- seven weeks since she became the nominee _ seven weeks since she became the nominee. it's— seven weeks since she became the nominee. it's been- seven weeks since she became the nominee. it's been very. the nominee. it's been very short— the nominee. it's been very short runway— the nominee. it's been very short runway thus - the nominee. it's been very short runway thus far- the nominee. it's been very short runway thus far for. short runway thus far for kamala _ short runway thus far for kamala harris, - short runway thus far for kamala harris, but - short runway thus far for. kamala harris, but donald short runway thus far for- kamala harris, but donald trump did himself— kamala harris, but donald trump did himself no _ kamala harris, but donald trump did himself no favours _ kamala harris, but donald trump did himself no favours last - did himself no favours last night, _ did himself no favours last night, but _ did himself no favours last night, but don't _ did himself no favours last night, but don't forget, i did himself no favours last night, but don't forget, he refused _ night, but don't forget, he refused to— night, but don't forget, he refused to debate - night, but don't forget, he refused to debate nikki. night, but don't forget, he - refused to debate nikki haley, it's ireeh— refused to debate nikki haley, it's been years _ refused to debate nikki haley, it's been years since _ refused to debate nikki haley, it's been years since he - it's been years since he debated _ it's been years since he debated taylor- it's been years since he debated taylor clintonl it's been years since he i debated taylor clinton and it's been years since he - debated taylor clinton and we know — debated taylor clinton and we know that _ debated taylor clinton and we know that he _ debated taylor clinton and we know that he really _ debated taylor clinton and we know that he really struggles i know that he really struggles talking — know that he really struggles talking to _ know that he really struggles talking to very— know that he really struggles talking to very powerful- know that he really struggles . talking to very powerful women but especially _ talking to very powerful women but especially women - talking to very powerful women but especially women of - talking to very powerful women| but especially women of colour. abel, _ but especially women of colour. abel, before _ but especially women of colour. abel, before we _ but especially women of colour. abel, before we talk _ but especially women of colour. abel, before we talk about - but especially women of colour. abel, before we talk about the. abel, before we talk about the excitement that there must be on the democrat side about what their candidate did last night, it's worth reminding and tempering that optimism, because if you think back to 2016, hillary clinton performed well in all those debates and still lost the election, so it

does not necessarily translate that if you perform well on a night like this, the voters are listening. night like this, the voters are listeninu. �* , ., night like this, the voters are listening-— listening. there's no doubt about it- — listening. there's no doubt about it. we _ listening. there's no doubt about it. we got _ listening. there's no doubt about it. we got your - listening. there's no doubt. about it. we got your member that, at this point in time, when hillary clinton was the nominee, she was way ahead of donaldj trump, and whenjoe biden was the nominee, he was way ahead of donaldj trump must not forget in 2016, for my friends on the democrat side of the aisle, celebrate all you want, this race is very, very close, and kamala harris has had, what, five or six weeks of a honeymoon period of not talking to reporters, great press, and all of a sudden, this race is evenif all of a sudden, this race is even if not donaldj trump is ahead. we got to remember, this -- his —— his close last night was the very best. he made it very clear, you're talking about platitudes, all the things you're going to do, kamala, do them now. you're going to do, kamala, do them now—

you're going to do, kamala, do them now. that was nearly two hours into _ them now. that was nearly two hours into the _ them now. that was nearly two hours into the debate. - them now. that was nearly two hours into the debate. wasn't i hours into the debate. wasn't that something you would want to hear right at the beginning of the debate?— to hear right at the beginning of the debate? absolutely, but i think he closed _ of the debate? absolutely, but i think he closed strong, - of the debate? absolutely, but i think he closed strong, and l i think he closed strong, and he finished his debate is strong, and i will tell you this, this campaign is about change the stub the american view want change. 74% of americans want change. kamala is continuity. i americans want change. kamala is continuity-— is continuity. i will come back to that. is continuity. i will come back to that- we — is continuity. i will come back to that. we will _ is continuity. i will come back to that. we will come - is continuity. i will come back to that. we will come back i is continuity. i will come back to that. we will come back to j to that. we will come back to that. i am interested as to who wins the argument as the change candidate. maybe none of this matters. its quite possible that support for donald trump is so baked in that some of this hardly registers. the polls going into the debate suggest things have narrowed in the past week. the vice president's lead in national polling is now around 3% — that's the closest it has been in a month. but whether or not people were watching, the clip that has gone viral — and will be played again and again on social media — is this. a lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it.

in springfield, they're eating the dogs — the people that came in — they're eating the cats. they're eating... they're eating the pets of the people that live there. i don't know, honestly, i thought springfield was something in this instance into last night! —— in the simpsons. you need a phd in maga in some of this, some were saying. we had a statement from haiti present government that just condemned this as it is from an tory remark and called it out. miles, how damaging? you work in aland social media, 56 million people watch this tv debate last night. how many are going to see that clip? ads, debate last night. how many are going to see that clip? a, 1!th going to see that clip? a lot of peeple — going to see that clip? a lot of peeple are _ going to see that clip? a lot of people are going - going to see that clip? a lot of people are going to - going to see that clip? a lot of people are going to see l going to see that clip? a lot l of people are going to see the clip, _ of people are going to see the clip, i— of people are going to see the clip, i think it was a total clip, ! think it was a total disaster— clip, i think it was a total disaster for him. donald trump has really— disaster for him. donald trump has really tried on immigration to stand — has really tried on immigration to stand out and be the candidate that is trying to be

in the — candidate that is trying to be in the lead on immigration, and trying _ in the lead on immigration, and trying to— in the lead on immigration, and trying to put kamala harris on the defensive, and this clip made — the defensive, and this clip made him look like a total loohey_ made him look like a total looney tunes. one of the things that was— looney tunes. one of the things that was surprising about kamala _ that was surprising about kamala harris's performance is she put— kamala harris's performance is she put donald trump on the defensive on the issues he expected to do best on like immigration. dr expected to do best on like immigration.— expected to do best on like immiaration. , , , , immigration. dr greer, pick-up the oint immigration. dr greer, pick-up the point that _ immigration. dr greer, pick-up the point that abel _ immigration. dr greer, pick-up the point that abel making. - immigration. dr greer, pick-upj the point that abel making. did kamala harris separate from joe biden last night, did she reassure the moderates about this idea that the progressives will influence her if she was to become the president? i to become the president? i think she is trying to do both and — think she is trying to do both and tim _ think she is trying to do both and. tim walz_ think she is trying to do both and. tim walz will— think she is trying to do bothi and. tim walz will essentially serve — and. tim walz will essentially serve as— and. tim walz will essentially serve as the _ and. tim walz will essentially serve as the proxy _ and. tim walz will essentially serve as the proxy to - and. tim walz will essentially serve as the proxy to the - serve as the proxy to the iiberai— serve as the proxy to the liberal vote _ serve as the proxy to the liberal vote and - serve as the proxy to the liberal vote and she - serve as the proxy to the liberal vote and she is. serve as the proxy to the . liberal vote and she is trying to say, — liberal vote and she is trying to say, listen, _ liberal vote and she is trying to say, listen, on— liberal vote and she is trying to say, listen, on the - liberal vote and she is trying to say, listen, on the one i liberal vote and she is trying. to say, listen, on the one hand this— to say, listen, on the one hand this is— to say, listen, on the one hand this is continuity, _ to say, listen, on the one hand this is continuity, joe - to say, listen, on the one hand this is continuity, joe biden- this is continuity, joe biden cahave _ this is continuity, joe biden cabave serve _ this is continuity, joe biden cabaye serve at _ this is continuity, joe biden cabaye serve at the - this is continuity, joe biden. cabaye serve at the pleasure this is continuity, joe biden- cabaye serve at the pleasure of joe biden, _ cabaye serve at the pleasure of joe biden, irut— cabaye serve at the pleasure of joe biden, but not— cabaye serve at the pleasure of joe biden, but not able - cabaye serve at the pleasure of joe biden, but not able to - cabaye serve at the pleasure of| joe biden, but not able to make a tot— joe biden, but not able to make a lot of— joe biden, but not able to make a lot of the _ joe biden, but not able to make a lot of the decisions _ joe biden, but not able to make a lot of the decisions he - a lot of the decisions he has made — a lot of the decisions he has made. there _ a lot of the decisions he has made. there are... -

a lot of the decisions he has. made. there are... interesting you know— made. there are... interesting you know she _ made. there are... interesting you know she has _ made. there are... interesting you know she has to _ made. there are... interesting you know she has to thread - made. there are... interesting| you know she has to thread but i do you know she has to thread but i do think— you know she has to thread but i do think that _ you know she has to thread but i do think that walz_ you know she has to thread but i do think that walz is serving l i do think that walz is serving as the — i do think that walz is serving as the proxy— i do think that walz is serving as the proxy version - i do think that walz is serving as the proxy version of - i do think that walz is serving as the proxy version of the i as the proxy version of the tiberai— as the proxy version of the liberal wing _ as the proxy version of the liberal wing of— as the proxy version of the liberal wing of the - as the proxy version of the i liberal wing of the democratic party — liberal wing of the democratic party. realty— liberal wing of the democratic party. really quickly, - liberal wing of the democratic party. really quickly, i- liberal wing of the democratic party. really quickly, i want l party. really quickly, i want to circle _ party. really quickly, i want to circle back _ party. really quickly, i want to circle back to _ party. really quickly, i want to circle back to donald i party. really quickly, i want i to circle back to donald trump and eating _ to circle back to donald trump and eating cats— to circle back to donald trump and eating cats and _ to circle back to donald trump and eating cats and dogs, i and eating cats and dogs, because _ and eating cats and dogs, because this _ and eating cats and dogs, because this is _ and eating cats and dogs, because this is actually i and eating cats and dogs, i because this is actually really important _ because this is actually really important. what— because this is actually really important. what he - because this is actually really important. what he is- because this is actually really important. what he is saying| because this is actually really i important. what he is saying is so damaging _ important. what he is saying is so damaging and _ important. what he is saying is so damaging and it's _ important. what he is saying is so damaging and it's picking i important. what he is saying isj so damaging and it's picking up on some — so damaging and it's picking up on some neo—nazi _ so damaging and it's picking up on some neo—nazi propagandal on some neo—nazi propaganda that has— on some neo—nazi propaganda that has been— on some neo—nazi propaganda that has been permeating i that has been permeating through— that has been permeating through the _ that has been permeating through the party- that has been permeating through the party for- that has been permeating through the party for the i that has been permeating i through the party for the past few weeks. _ through the party for the past few weeks, this _ through the party for the past few weeks, this very- through the party for the past few weeks, this very specificl few weeks, this very specific story, — few weeks, this very specific story, and _ few weeks, this very specific story. ahd so— few weeks, this very specific story, and so it's _ few weeks, this very specific story, and so it's really- story, and so it's really damaging _ story, and so it's really damaging to _ story, and so it's really damaging to haitian. story, and so it's really- damaging to haitian children who are _ damaging to haitian children who are in _ damaging to haitian children who are in ohio, _ damaging to haitian children who are in ohio, across- damaging to haitian children who are in ohio, across the. who are in ohio, across the couhtry_ who are in ohio, across the couhtry we _ who are in ohio, across the country we have _ who are in ohio, across the country we have a - who are in ohio, across the. country we have a significant haitiah— country we have a significant haitian publishing _ country we have a significant haitian publishing in - country we have a significant haitian publishing in florida, new— haitian publishing in florida, new yort— haitian publishing in florida, new york and _ haitian publishing in florida, i new york and massachusetts. the florida _ new york and massachusetts. the florida haitian _ new york and massachusetts. the florida haitian population- new york and massachusetts. the florida haitian population does. florida haitian population does not want — florida haitian population does not want to— florida haitian population does not want to hear— florida haitian population does not want to hear this, - florida haitian population does not want to hear this, and i florida haitian population does not want to hear this, and we i not want to hear this, and we know— not want to hear this, and we know everybody _ not want to hear this, and we know everybody goes - not want to hear this, and we know everybody goes to i not want to hear this, and we know everybody goes to the i know everybody goes to the polls — know everybody goes to the polls on _ know everybody goes to the polls on economic _ know everybody goes to the polls on economic issues, . know everybody goes to the i polls on economic issues, but when — polls on economic issues, but when you _ polls on economic issues, but when you have _ polls on economic issues, but when you have roughly- polls on economic issues, but i when you have roughly 300,000 haitiarr— when you have roughly 300,000 haitian americans _ when you have roughly 300,000 haitian americans in _ when you have roughly 300,000 haitian americans in the - when you have roughly 300,000 haitian americans in the state i haitian americans in the state of florida. _ haitian americans in the state of florida. it _ haitian americans in the state of florida, it is _ haitian americans in the state of florida, it is awful- haitian americans in the state of florida, it is awful the i of florida, it is awful the former— of florida, it is awful the former president - of florida, it is awful the former president would i of florida, it is awful the i former president would say something _ former president would say something like _ former president would say something like this, - former president would say something like this, repeatj former president would say i something like this, repeat a story— something like this, repeat a story that _ something like this, repeat a story that has _ something like this, repeat a story that has been - something like this, repeat a| story that has been debunked time — story that has been debunked time and _ story that has been debunked time and time _ story that has been debunked time and time again, - story that has been debunked time and time again, to - story that has been debunked| time and time again, to insult such— time and time again, to insult such a — time and time again, to insult such a significant _ time and time again, to insult such a significant portion i time and time again, to insult such a significant portion of i such a significant portion of the population. _ such a significant portion of the population. it's - such a significant portion of the population. it's not i such a significant portion of l the population. it's not smart politics— the population. it's not smart politics and _ the population. it's not smart politics and it's _ the population. it's not smart

politics and it's really - politics and it's really disgusting, _ politics and it's really disgusting, what- politics and it's really disgusting, what he i politics and it's really - disgusting, what he allowed himself_ disgusting, what he allowed himself to _ disgusting, what he allowed himself to repeat, - disgusting, what he allowed himself to repeat, when - disgusting, what he allowed himself to repeat, when it'si himself to repeat, when it's been — himself to repeat, when it's been told _ himself to repeat, when it's been told time _ himself to repeat, when it's been told time and - himself to repeat, when it's been told time and time - himself to repeat, when it's . been told time and time again that that — been told time and time again that that story— been told time and time again that that storyjust _ been told time and time again that that storyjust is - been told time and time again that that storyjust is not - that that storyjust is not true _ that that story “ust is not true. we will take a short break. the other side of that, we will focus on some of kamala harris�* answers, specifically on abortion and guns. and we will ask whether the moderators played it fair. we will be right back after this.

let's talk about one of the talking points for democrats. the harris campaign says there is a ito—point gap among undecided voters on how they view reproductive rights — and so they will point to this moment as her highlight of the night. pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term, suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care, in an emergency room because their health care providers are afraid they might go to jail and she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot — she didn't want that. caroline, you said she warmed up, and i certainly thought...

clearly she had prepared for that but she did drive home the real life impacts of this policy in some of these republican states. was it effective for you? i republican states. was it effective for you? i thought it was very effective. _ effective for you? i thought it was very effective. it - effective for you? i thought it was very effective. it was - was very effective. it was effective for lots of people who were watching. last week, theissue who were watching. last week, the issue of reproductive rights has had an issue at the polls, look at the last midterm elections when voters turned out when abortion was on the ballot. so this is an area that kamala harris and her team nope is a winning area. lest we forget the actual importance of what it means did today for americans and their health choices, but when it comes to policy and the kinds of issues that turn out voters, abortion and reproductive rights absolutely is one. not only did we see kamala harris command the stage when it country productive rates can really hammer the fact that it was trump's abortion bands, she kept talking about that, just really trying to align trump

with the abortion bands, with the overturning of roe versus wade, conservative justices that helped undo that historic piece of legislation, which had been five decades standing, but i think she did a very, very effective job, i think she did a very, very effectivejob, and contrast effective job, and contrast that effectivejob, and contrast that with donald trump. he frankly looked stumped... what about this question? _ frankly looked stumped... what about this question? it - frankly looked stumped... what about this question? it really i about this question? it really showed a _ about this question? it really showed a deficit _ about this question? it really showed a deficit in _ about this question? it really showed a deficit in the - showed a deficit in the planning and his attuning to voters on the issue. ~ . attuning to voters on the issue. . ., ., attuning to voters on the issue. ~ . . , ., issue. what about the question they asked _ issue. what about the question they asked about _ issue. what about the question they asked about the _ issue. what about the question they asked about the federal. they asked about the federal ban on abortion? his surrogate said last night he has been very transparent on that. i don't thing he has been definitive on it, has he? did he clear it up for you yesterday?— he clear it up for you yesterday? he clear it up for you esterda ? ., . yesterday? he did not, and i think unfortunately - yesterday? he did not, and i think unfortunately what - yesterday? he did not, and i think unfortunately what the | think unfortunately what the voters are realising is that with both candidates on various issues, they have flip—flopped. with kamala harris, there's been the flopping around fracking and with donald trump there's been for flopping all

over the place when it comes to abortion. what happened in florida and whether or not he supported a six—week term limit and that he did not and then he did. there is no straight answerfrom this did. there is no straight answer from this president and what we do note is clear by the record, that he appointed three conservative justices, whose intent was to overturn roe v wade, they did, and now we're in a situation where he is saying that he is going to try and let the states decide. whether or not that is gonna be enough voters, who will hear that and think, that makes sense to me, let states to say, i do not think it will be enough given he has been so all of the map when it comes to abortion. of the map when it comes to abortion-— the was a point late on where she quite deliberately admitted that she and governor walz both own a gun. let's watch that. she has a plan to confiscate everybody�*s gun. this business about taking everyone's guns away — tim walz and i are both gun owners.

we're not taking anybody's guns away, so stop with the continuous lying about this. did that feel delivered to you? it felt plans to me. she has mentioned it before but it might�*ve caught people by spreadsheet owns a gun. i might've caught people by spreadsheet owns a gun. i think it did, christian, _ spreadsheet owns a gun. i think it did, christian, but _ spreadsheet owns a gun. i think it did, christian, but this - spreadsheet owns a gun. i think it did, christian, but this is - it did, christian, but this is where _ it did, christian, but this is where we _ it did, christian, but this is where we see the debate of the election— where we see the debate of the election to fitting towards —— to fitting _ election to fitting towards —— to fitting towards the middle portion— to fitting towards the middle portion of american voters. kamala _ portion of american voters. kamala harris was trying to appeal— kamala harris was trying to appeal to moderates. a lot of americans own guns in the united _ americans own guns in the united states and one of donald trump's — united states and one of donald trump's effective lines has been — trump's effective lines has been trying to portray the biden— been trying to portray the biden administration as radical when _ biden administration as radical when it— biden administration as radical when it comes to gun rights and so you _ when it comes to gun rights and so you see — when it comes to gun rights and so you see this as perhaps the most — so you see this as perhaps the most effective talking point, that, — most effective talking point, that, hey, iam a most effective talking point, that, hey, i am a gun owner, no, _ that, hey, i am a gun owner, no, i— that, hey, i am a gun owner, no, lam_ that, hey, i am a gun owner, no, tam not— that, hey, i am a gun owner, no, i am not quintiq guns from you. _ no, i am not quintiq guns from you. and— no, i am not quintiq guns from you, and she maybe missed an opportunity to press for the fact— opportunity to press for the fact it — opportunity to press for the fact it is _ opportunity to press for the fact it is very likely that donald _ fact it is very likely that donald trump himself will not be a _ donald trump himself will not be a gun— donald trump himself will not be a gun owner, because of his

conviction— be a gun owner, because of his conviction of sexual abuse in new— conviction of sexual abuse in new york— conviction of sexual abuse in new york state, he may be deprived _ new york state, he may be deprived of the ability to own a gun — deprived of the ability to own a gun. that really says something and i think that's a contrast— something and i think that's a contrast that harris and walz want — contrast that harris and walz want to— contrast that harris and walz want to have, that they are law—abiding gun owners in donald _ law—abiding gun owners in donald trump is a not law—abiding citizen, who may also — law—abiding citizen, who may also be — law—abiding citizen, who may also be revoked if his ability to hold _ also be revoked if his ability to hold a _ also be revoked if his ability to hold a weapon. that's quite a side — to hold a weapon. that's quite a side by— to hold a weapon. that's quite a side by side when you are talking _ a side by side when you are talking about it.— talking about it. that is the oint, talking about it. that is the point. abel? _ talking about it. that is the point, abel? if— talking about it. that is the point, abel? if the - talking about it. that is the point, abel? if the races i point, abel? if the races michigan, pennsylvania, then viewers will have to remember there's a lot of blue—collar white voters, they are a bigger share of the vote in those states than they are nationally. a lot of them are gun owners. it seemed to me she recognised that and went after it. , , ., . recognised that and went after it. yes, you are asking me, i'm from california _ it. yes, you are asking me, i'm from california and _ it. yes, you are asking me, i'm from california and kamala - from california and kamala is from california and kamala is from california. she has always been a supporter of a mandatory buy—back gun programme. so this

notion that she owns a gun, i don't know when that happened, but this notion that all of the sudden she owns a gun, she is really in saigon in california, so it goes back to the point of her changing her position. she is changing her positions for the election, for pennsylvania, wisconsin. let's not forget what bernie sanders said this last sunday. he said, she just needs to win the election and we can go back and do what she is going to do. we watched her in california avoid she's done. she's been very, very liberal on her positions when it comes to guns. that is not a secret. she's been liberal on immigration. she's been liberal on many things. actually been dangerously liberal. i think it is important to get the real facts out there as we move forward. facts out there as we move forward-— facts out there as we move forward. �*, . ,, ., forward. let's talk about the moderators. _ the republicans have since attacked abc news and the moderators david muir and linsey davis for fact—checking trump in real—time. this was the tweet from senator lindsey graham

who was in the spin room last night... i was looking at how many times they fact checked last night. there was the fact checked on knost in the country, it is legal to kill a baby after it is born. they checked him on the pets being in because they aren't spoken to the city manager in springfield on violent crime, he said it had gone up, it is actually gone down, and the 2020 election which he continues to say was stolen. in fact, which he continues to say was stolen. infact, if which he continues to say was stolen. in fact, if you look at some of the fact checking of tnn, he lied 33 times, so is fourfact tnn, he lied 33 times, so is four fact checks through the course of the debate, is that over the odds? it’s course of the debate, is that over the odds?— over the odds? it's virtually impossible _ over the odds? it's virtually impossible to _ over the odds? it's virtually impossible to fact - over the odds? it's virtually impossible to fact check - over the odds? it's virtually - impossible to fact check donald trunrb — impossible to fact check donald trunrb in — impossible to fact check donald trump in real— impossible to fact check donald trump in real time _ impossible to fact check donald trump in real time because - impossible to fact check donald trump in real time because hei trump in real time because he lysed — trump in real time because he lysed consistently, _ trump in real time because he lysed consistently, and - trump in real time because he lysed consistently, and with i lysed consistently, and with ablonrb _ lysed consistently, and with aplonrb so _ lysed consistently, and with aplomb. so the _ lysed consistently, and with aplomb. so the fact - lysed consistently, and with aplomb. so the fact that - lysed consistently, and with. aplomb. so the fact that they fact checked _ aplomb. so the fact that they fact checked him _ aplomb. so the fact that they fact checked him four- aplomb. so the fact that they fact checked him four times. aplomb. so the fact that they. fact checked him four times one of the _ fact checked him four times one of the n1any,_ fact checked him four times one of the many, many _ fact checked him four times one of the many, many lies, - fact checked him four times one of the many, many lies, and- of the many, many lies, and keep— of the many, many lies, and keep in— of the many, many lies, and keep in ntind— of the many, many lies, and keep in mind donald - of the many, many lies, and keep in mind donald trumpi of the many, many lies, and- keep in mind donald trump spoke nine additional— keep in mind donald trump spoke nine additional minutes, - nine additional minutes, several— nine additional minutes, several times— nine additional minutes, several times where - nine additional minutes, several times where he i nine additional minutes, . several times where he did

nine additional minutes, - several times where he did not have _ several times where he did not have time _ several times where he did not have time but _ several times where he did not have time but he _ several times where he did not have time but he just - several times where he did not| have time but he just bulldozed his way— have time but he just bulldozed his way through _ have time but he just bulldozed his way through the _ his way through the conversation, - his way through the conversation, so i his way through the i conversation, so the his way through the - conversation, so the fact that he still— conversation, so the fact that he still complaining, - conversation, so the fact that he still complaining, per- he still complaining, per usual, _ he still complaining, per usual, that _ he still complaining, per usual, that he _ he still complaining, per usual, that he is - he still complaining, per usual, that he is the - he still complaining, per. usual, that he is the victim and — usual, that he is the victim and hero— usual, that he is the victim and hero of— usual, that he is the victim and hero of his _ usual, that he is the victim and hero of his own- usual, that he is the victim and hero of his own story i usual, that he is the victim - and hero of his own story every time, _ and hero of his own story every time, the — and hero of his own story every time, the moderators- and hero of his own story every time, the moderators were - and hero of his own story every l time, the moderators were doing the best— time, the moderators were doing the best they— time, the moderators were doing the best they could _ time, the moderators were doing the best they could with - time, the moderators were doing the best they could with the - the best they could with the type — the best they could with the type of— the best they could with the type of candidate _ the best they could with the type of candidate that - the best they could with the i type of candidate that donald trump — type of candidate that donald trump is~ _ type of candidate that donald trump is. the _ type of candidate that donald trump is. the fact _ type of candidate that donald trump is. the fact that - type of candidate that donald trump is. the fact that his i trump is. the fact that his microphone _ trump is. the fact that his microphone was— trump is. the fact that his microphone was off - trump is. the fact that his microphone was off some| trump is. the fact that his i microphone was off some of trump is. the fact that his - microphone was off some of the time _ microphone was off some of the time was — microphone was off some of the time was helpful, _ microphone was off some of the time was helpful, but— microphone was off some of the time was helpful, but as - microphone was off some of the time was helpful, but as we - time was helpful, but as we have — time was helpful, but as we have seen. _ time was helpful, but as we have seen, because - time was helpful, but as we have seen, because donald| time was helpful, but as we - have seen, because donald trump did not— have seen, because donald trump did not show— have seen, because donald trump did not show up— have seen, because donald trump did not show up as _ have seen, because donald trump did not show up as his _ have seen, because donald trump did not show up as his best - did not show up as his best self. — did not show up as his best self, because _ did not show up as his best self, because he _ did not show up as his best self, because he is - did not show up as his best self, because he is in - did not show up as his besti self, because he is in cuddly charismatic, _ self, because he is in cuddly charismatic, he _ self, because he is in cuddly charismatic, he could - self, because he is in cuddly charismatic, he could have, | thrown kamala harris offer him and he — thrown kamala harris offer him and he did _ thrown kamala harris offer him and he did not. _ thrown kamala harris offer him and he did not. he— thrown kamala harris offer him and he did not. he missed - and he did not. he missed multiple _ and he did not. he missed multiple opportunities. . and he did not. he missedj multiple opportunities. he dropped _ multiple opportunities. he dropped the _ multiple opportunities. he dropped the ball— multiple opportunities. he dropped the ball and - multiple opportunities. he dropped the ball and so. multiple opportunities. he dropped the ball and so it| multiple opportunities. hel dropped the ball and so it is not surprising _ dropped the ball and so it is not surprising monday- dropped the ball and so it is i not surprising monday morning quarterbacking as we call it in america. _ quarterbacking as we call it in america. they— quarterbacking as we call it in america, they would - quarterbacking as we call it in| america, they would complain about— america, they would complain about the _ america, they would complain about the officiating _ america, they would complain about the officiating of- america, they would complain about the officiating of the - about the officiating of the moderators, _ about the officiating of the moderators, but _ about the officiating of the moderators, but i- about the officiating of the moderators, but i want- about the officiating of the moderators, but i want to| about the officiating of the i moderators, but i want to say something _ moderators, but i want to say something look— moderators, but i want to say something look quickly- moderators, but i want to say something look quickly about | something look quickly about lui'i something look quickly about gun control _ something look quickly about gun control. let's _ something look quickly about gun control. let's be - something look quickly about gun control. let's be clear, . gun control. let's be clear, there's— gun control. let's be clear, there's a _ gun control. let's be clear, there's a difference - gun control. let's be clear, i there's a difference between owning — there's a difference between owning a _ there's a difference between owning a gun— there's a difference between owning a gun and _ there's a difference between owning a gun and having - there's a difference between. owning a gun and having guns come — owning a gun and having guns come in — owning a gun and having guns come in and _ owning a gun and having guns come in and shoot _ owning a gun and having guns come in and shoot children. owning a gun and having guns i come in and shoot children when they are — come in and shoot children when they are try— come in and shoot children when they are try to _ come in and shoot children when they are try to be _ come in and shoot children when they are try to be educated - come in and shoot children when they are try to be educated in. they are try to be educated in school — they are try to be educated in school i_ they are try to be educated in school. i think _ they are try to be educated in school. i think that _ they are try to be educated in school. i think that was - they are try to be educated in. school. i think that was missed

opportunity— school. i think that was missed opportunity for— school. i think that was missed opportunity for the _ school. i think that was missed opportunity for the vice - opportunity for the vice president. _ opportunity for the vice president, and - opportunity for the vice president, and she - opportunity for the vice i president, and she could opportunity for the vice - president, and she could have said. — president, and she could have said. many— president, and she could have said, many democrats - president, and she could have said, many democrats are - president, and she could have| said, many democrats are gun owners. — said, many democrats are gun owners. my— said, many democrats are gun owners, my grandfather- said, many democrats are gun owners, my grandfather is - said, many democrats are gun owners, my grandfather is a l said, many democrats are gun. owners, my grandfather is a gun owner, — owners, my grandfather is a gun owner, many— owners, my grandfather is a gun owner, many democrat - owners, my grandfather is a gun owner, many democrat live - owners, my grandfather is a gun owner, many democrat live in l owner, many democrat live in areas — owner, many democrat live in areas where _ owner, many democrat live in areas where they— owner, many democrat live in areas where they hunt. - owner, many democrat live in areas where they hunt. that l owner, many democrat live in| areas where they hunt. that is not a — areas where they hunt. that is not a republican _ areas where they hunt. that is not a republican issue. - areas where they hunt. that is not a republican issue. the i not a republican issue. the issue — not a republican issue. the issue is, _ not a republican issue. the issue is, should _ not a republican issue. the issue is, should certain- not a republican issue. thel issue is, should certain guns be used _ issue is, should certain guns be used to— issue is, should certain guns be used to kill— issue is, should certain guns be used to kill innocent - be used to kill innocent people? _ be used to kill innocent purple?— be used to kill innocent neale? . ., , . , people? who is the incumbent in this race? _ people? who is the incumbent in this race? it's _ people? who is the incumbent in this race? it's a _ people? who is the incumbent in this race? it's a great _ this race? it's a great question. _ this race? it's a great question. i— this race? it's a great question. iwill- this race? it's a great i question. iwill through this race? it's a great - question. i will through that back— question. i will through that back at— question. i will through that back at you. how do you mean? i want back at you. how do you mean? want to back at you. how do you mean? i want to know who the voters come away when they come away from that last night, are they looking at his record in office or they looking at her record in office, because both of them want to be change candidate? and you hit on some thing very important. _ and you hit on some thing very important, that should have been — important, that should have been donald trump's strategy going — been donald trump's strategy going in _ been donald trump's strategy going in. saw inklings of this. i going in. saw inklings of this. i his— going in. saw inklings of this. i his debate prep team wanted him to— i his debate prep team wanted him to go— i his debate prep team wanted him to go in and paint kamala harris— him to go in and paint kamala harris as— him to go in and paint kamala harris asjoe biden. that's where _ harris asjoe biden. that's where they think they will be most — where they think they will be most effective, you saw donald trump — most effective, you saw donald trump start to liver those lines. _ trump start to liver those lines, but having sat with the man — lines, but having sat with the man in— lines, but having sat with the man in the oval office and the situation — man in the oval office and the situation room and on air force one, _ situation room and on air force one. he — situation room and on air force one, he cannot stay on topic. cannot— one, he cannot stay on topic. cannot stay on topic if lies

are — cannot stay on topic if lies are on— cannot stay on topic if lies are on the line —— lives are on the _ are on the line —— lives are on the line _ are on the line —— lives are on the line he _ are on the line —— lives are on the line. he cannot stay on topic— the line. he cannot stay on topic or— the line. he cannot stay on topic or an message when he is at the _ topic or an message when he is at the debate podium and you saw that— at the debate podium and you saw that last night. he missed a million — saw that last night. he missed a million opportunities to try to say— a million opportunities to try to say kamala harris isjoe biden— to say kamala harris isjoe biden and try to lean into the sitting — biden and try to lean into the sitting president because my resident positive popularity. while — resident positive popularity. while she is technically incumbent, she is not holding the presidency, donald trump failed — the presidency, donald trump failed to— the presidency, donald trump failed to peter as that and she managed to eke out a win in portraying herself as a change candidate which is very hard to do if— candidate which is very hard to do if you're sitting in the vice _ do if you're sitting in the vice presidency right now for but it's— vice presidency right now for but it's not because she was so successful— but it's not because she was so successful in doing that, it is because _ successful in doing that, it is because donald trump shot himself— because donald trump shot himself in the foot, again and again. — himself in the foot, again and again, and again, in this debate _ again, and again, in this debate. it again, and again, in this debate-— he came out and said he had won the debate, but if you're in the debate, but if you're in the spin room spinning on your own behalf, tells its own story. we have got to say goodbye to dr grier. thank you for your company. the rest of the panel, back after this break. to stay with us.

hello there. things should get a little bit warmer over the weekend, but right now, it's still cold out there. we've seen a lot of showers earlier on today, some dramatic weather watcher pictures. it took a while for the showers to push down into more southern counties of england, and here we saw the best of the sunshine. the showers have been heavy. we've had some hail in there as well, and we still have this very showery air stream with low pressure between us and scandinavia. we've got a northwesterly wind here, but the winds originating perhaps as far north as the arctic circle, which is giving us the chill. and as those winds do become lighter overnight and skies tend to clear, the temperatures are going to drop quite quickly, the showers retreating back to exposed coastal areas. so, for many of us, it will be dry and clear and probably a little bit colder than last night. typically four or five degrees, but maybe close to freezing in scotland and also for northern england. a sunny start for many.

showers to begin with for northern ireland, wales, the far southwest, northern scotland and down those north sea coasts. and as temperatures rise just a little, so the cloud will build up and we'll see showers developing inland as well. not as many, not as heavy as we've seen today, and the winds still northwesterly, but not quite as strong. it doesn't really help the temperatures, mind you — still 13—15 degrees, below average for this time of the year. we've got the cold air in place, and before this weather front tracks in from the atlantic, this nose of high pressure will build across on thursday night and friday morning, killing off the showers, making the winds very light and with clear skies, this could be the coldest night of the week. early friday could start with a frost in some places, particularly for scotland and northern ireland. sunny start for many, but cloud will increase through the day. we're going to find that weather front bringing some rain into northern ireland, and then later in the day, into western parts of scotland. should be dry for england and wales and temperatures a little bit higher here by friday. still pretty cold out there for scotland and northern ireland after that potentially frosty start.

over the weekend, high pressure in the south, low pressure to the north. that'll bring some wet and windy weather into northern areas on saturday, and as that weather front moves south, it'sjust going to weaken all the while. so, scotland and northern ireland will see those winds do become wider overnight and temperatures are going to drop quite quickly. some wetter, windy weather on saturday. the weather will be improved by sunday. further south, little or no rain for england and wales, but for all of us, temperatures are going to be higher.

hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. us secretary of state antony blinken and the british foreign secretary, david lammy, meet president zelensky in ukraine. mr blinken announces a package of more than $700 million for the country. and that's where we are going to start. the foreign secretary, david lammy, and his us counterpart, antony blinken, took a trip together today to ukraine, a meeting with president zelensky with one big decision hanging over the discussions. should ukraine be allowed to use those western long—range missiles, most notably the storm shadow which britain has been supplying, on targets inside russia? the british government seems to be coming round to the idea. sir keir starmer will make the case tojoe biden on friday. there is no official

change in the position yet, but we are told things are shifting.