tv The Context BBC News September 13, 2024 9:00pm-9:30pm BST
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a re moment nato countries are conducting _ moment nato countries are conducting direct _ moment nato countries are conducting direct war- moment nato countries are conducting direct war with i conducting direct war with russia _ conducting direct war with russia. �* , conducting direct war with russia. �*, , ., , ., , russia. it's become a proxy war, russia. it's become a proxy war. which _ russia. it's become a proxy war, which the _ russia. it's become a proxy war, which the ukraine - war, which the ukraine can't win without western support. i can't think of a precedent where more nuclear power given its weapon to target nuclear powers air force on its own territory. joining me tonight are — joining me tonight ijoanna ross. in former us congressman. first — the latest headlines. us presidentjoe biden has called for donald trump to stop raising tensions against haitian people in the us by spreading a false story about immigrants eating pets in a town in ohio. mr biden said it was wrong that the haitian community was under attack right now in the us. the pop starjustin
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timberlake has been given a community service sentence, after he pleaded guilty to drunk driving. he was also ordered to pay a fine of five hundred dollars and make a public safety announcement outside court. timberlake was arrested in new york injune for going through a stop sign. two nasa astronauts stuck at the international space station have insisted that they don't feel let down by boeing, despite being stranded there by problems with the company's spacecraft. suni williams and butch wilmore said although they missed friends and family they were not fretting over the situation. boeing's starliner craft returned to earth without them last week after developing technical problems. the duke of sussex has told the bbc he is excited about turning a0 this weekend. in a statement, prince harry also said that being a father was one of life 5 greatest joys. he ll spend his birthday on sunday privately with family in california. prime minister keir starmer is in washington
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today, where he's been meeting with us presidentjoe biden — the latest step in the uk government's push to reset relations with neighbours and allies, after years of domestic political chaos. it's an important meeting between two major allies with the war in ukraine at the top of the agenda. this is a storm shadow cruise missile, crane already has supplies of these from britain and france. but so far been restricted to firing them at targets inside its own barter two borders. kyiv argues it needs long—range missiles to push back on ukrainian front lines in cities by directly targeting the source of the strikes inside of russia itself but it's this cross—border element that has triggered western hesitation for the restriction that could lead to escalation. today the russian president warned that allowing kyiv to attack russian territory with russian made missiles would put nato at war. this was russia's representative at the un.
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translation: if the decision to lift restrictions is really taken that will need from that moment nato countries are conducting direct war with russia. in this case we will have to, as you understand, take the relevant position with all the consequences for this that the rest two western aggressors would incur. rest two western aggressors would incur. ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky has been following developments from kyiv. there today he's been meeting with former us secretary of state, mike pompeo — a visit designed to solify ongoing support for ukraine. but on x — formerly twitter — president zelensky said it was "difficult to repeatedly hear, we are working on this, while putin continues to burn down our cities and villages." our panel tonight — anna gross — political correspondent with the financial times. and joe walsh — podcaster and former republican congressman. joe, do you think that president biden will shift on this? we've been hearing from john kirby in the last half
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hour saying we're lucky to make any announcement tonight, don't expect anything. any announcement tonight, don't meet anything-— expect anything. what do you think? i wouldn't _ expect anything. what do you think? i wouldn't expect - expect anything. what do you think? i wouldn't expect an i think? i wouldn't expect an announcement tonight. but i think the indications are pretty clear thatjoe biden, president biden is moving on this issue. and is prepared to approve longer—range missiles giving ukraine and zelensky ability to use these longer—range missiles. there may be some political stuff going on right here in america that has kind of freed up and liberated this president to do what i think you should have done a while ago. i do think he's more open to it and i think that will open the floodgates a little bit. —— my hope is. and zelensky, ukraine will be given what they need. ada, what do you think they should be given this permission? you've heard the warning from president putin
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today that this is a redline and alternatives escalation if it does happen. what do you think? ,, ., , ., ., , think? keir starmer steam has been breathing _ think? keir starmer steam has been breathing heavily - think? keir starmer steam has been breathing heavily that . been breathing heavily that there — been breathing heavily that there will be no news coming out of — there will be no news coming out of the meeting in washington this week. i think the hope _ washington this week. i think the hope that i am hearing from officials — the hope that i am hearing from officials here is that there might— officials here is that there might be some movement between now and _ might be some movement between now and the meeting taking place — now and the meeting taking place in _ now and the meeting taking place in new york, and just over— place in new york, and just over a _ place in new york, and just over a week's time. on the question— over a week's time. on the question of what should be done, _ question of what should be done, is _ question of what should be done, is it really boils down to the — done, is it really boils down to the extent to which... i did -et to the extent to which... i did get the — to the extent to which... i did get the sense that the us has really— get the sense that the us has really not decided on this yet. it really not decided on this yet. it boils — really not decided on this yet. it boils down to the extent to which — it boils down to the extent to which all— it boils down to the extent to which all parties can be secure and convinced that putin is in fact—
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and convinced that putin is in fact bluffing what he says this would — fact bluffing what he says this would be an escalation and mean all out _ would be an escalation and mean all out wan — would be an escalation and mean all out war. the ft had an interview— all out war. the ft had an interview with britain's former nationat— interview with britain's former national security adviser who said that _ national security adviser who said that he is concerned... therec— said that he is concerned... there's a _ said that he is concerned... there's a lot of commentators out there _ there's a lot of commentators out there saying putin is bluffing. he's bluffed before, he's — bluffing. he's bluffed before, he's doing it again.— he's doing it again. he's bluffing _ he's doing it again. he's bluffing until _ he's doing it again. he's bluffing until he - he's doing it again. he's bluffing until he isn't. i he's doing it again. he's i bluffing until he isn't. that is the concern. i suppose, you say he's had redlines before it cross redlines before. this also has gone on far longer than he thought it was going to we know he thought he was going to go in and out in a matter of weeks. you can never predict somebody in the situation like this, can you? i somebody in the situation like this. can you?— this, can you? i was going to auree. this, can you? i was going to agree- it's — this, can you? i was going to agree. it's incredibly - this, can you? i was going to agree. it's incredibly hard. i| agree. it's incredibly hard. i think— agree. it's incredibly hard. i think there are some commentators rushing to conclusions. it is very
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challenging backdrop for the another thing that is interesting that as emerge this week— interesting that as emerge this week is— interesting that as emerge this week is that the decision on whether— week is that the decision on whether to use the storm shadows on russian territories has come _ shadows on russian territories has come at a time... has taken so long — has come at a time... has taken so long to — has come at a time... has taken so long to be made that actually, russia has started moving _ actually, russia has started moving some of its aerial assets _ moving some of its aerial assets further inland. that's meaning _ assets further inland. that's meaning that by the time they make — meaning that by the time they make the decision and some of those _ make the decision and some of those weapons would actually be able to _ those weapons would actually be able to reach the assets that they— able to reach the assets that they are _ able to reach the assets that they are hoping to target. joe, what do you — they are hoping to target. joe, what do you think _ they are hoping to target. joe, what do you think in _ they are hoping to target. ire: what do you think in terms they are hoping to target. jre: what do you think in terms of the support that there is or isn't it washington for president biden to make a change on this? j president biden to make a change on this?— president biden to make a change on this? i think there is sopport- — change on this? i think there is support. most _ change on this? i think there is support. most democratsl change on this? i think there i is support. most democrats are on board and the republican party is split right down the middle. there is support for others. the context here is
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important for the is putin bluffing? is in can back—up the struts? who knows? that should not dictate our policy. the context matters. we're almost three years into this thing. you're right when you say putin thought this would be over in three weeks. we're almost three years into this thing. we talk about the worry of escalation. hello, we're three years in it we're still fighting this. i think there is a strong sentiment in this country that if we had been more assertive and been more liberal in our help and open in our help and given more help at the beginning we may not be in this position where we're still writing three years in. it's never too late to say it's too late. but certainly now would be helpful. late. but certainly now would be helpful-— be helpful. the question also is, be helpful. the question also is. could _ be helpful. the question also is, could the uk _ be helpful. the question also is, could the uk and - is, could the uk and europe
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give permission without the usp on board on this? i know they want to a united front for that and the reason for meeting today on this. do you think you could see a situation where the uk and france maybe go ahead for their long range missiles without the us? my understanding - without the us? my understanding is . without the us? my understanding is that would be an incredibly politically unpalatable move. and the uk is only willing to go ahead and france — only willing to go ahead and france if— only willing to go ahead and france if they get us support. beyond — france if they get us support. beyond that, it's actually not 'ust beyond that, it's actually not just us — beyond that, it's actually not just us support that they need. they— just us support that they need. they would actually need to get to a certain extent all of their— to a certain extent all of their nato allies on board. as you know. _ their nato allies on board. as you know, if there was an excavation of this conflict the likely— excavation of this conflict the likely places that russia might target — likely places that russia might target our kind of european neighbours. places like poland, estonia — neighbours. places like poland, estonia where there are databases. they would need to
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be databases. they would need to he truy-in — databases. they would need to be buy—in from places like that if they— be buy—in from places like that if they were going to do it, a move — if they were going to do it, a move like _ if they were going to do it, a move like this that could potentially write drastically escalate the situation. joe, i su ose escalate the situation. joe, i soppose all— escalate the situation. joe, i suppose all eyes _ escalate the situation. joe, i suppose all eyes are - escalate the situation. joe, i suppose all eyes are on - suppose all eyes are on november and what is going on in the us now in terms of the election for that there will definitely be a new person in the white house. and what that will mean for all of this was that it was interesting during that it was interesting during that debate between kamala harris and donald trump when asked about whether he wanted ukraine to win, donald trump did not answer that question. it's such a cogent point. nuance is important. you can't apply nuance to donald trump, he does not understand what the word means. he doesn't know how to spell the word nuance. if donald trump is the next president of the united states you can forget about united states aid to ukraine. you are
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right, he couldn't and wouldn't answer that question in that debate, do you want ukraine to win the war? because i think it's clear that trump and most of the republican party right now would end support to the ukraine. donald trump has made really clear that he would side with putin. this is a clear, dangerous line right now in america. dangerous line right now in america-— dangerous line right now in america. ~ �* . ~ america. while we're talking we're keeping _ america. while we're talking we're keeping an _ america. while we're talking we're keeping an eye - america. while we're talking we're keeping an eye on - america. while we're talking we're keeping an eye on the | we're keeping an eye on the arrival at the white house. keir starmer due to arrive to have a meeting with president biden. in terms of what you're saying about presidential, i suppose there's a lot of talk at the moment in washington about trump proofing for that year a lot of democrats talking about trump proofing for the wanting to get things done before the election in case the democrats lose it. you would think perhaps in that sense that president biden might be keen to make some decision
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sooner rather than later. j sooner rather than later. i certainly agree with that. sooner rather than later. j certainly agree with that. that is a big part of why i think president biden is more open to a shift in direction for the kamala harris, the democratic nominee seems to be fully on board with that as well. again presenting a very stark contrast with the nightmare scenario it would be for ukraine if trump were to win. another element, russia today announced that it expelled british diplomats for spying for that the uk foreign office saying these allegations were baseless and call them ludicrous with the fsp security security service said it revoked the accreditation of six diplomats climbing the group had been threatening russia's security. the uk foreign office says russia left some weeks ago and been replaced with a and saying the
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government was unapologetic about protecting our national interests. it doesn't seem a coincidence happened just as keir starmer and president biden are meeting and president biden are meeting and potentially discussing the use of weapons inside of russia. .,. , use of weapons inside of russia. , . , use of weapons inside of russia. , russia. exactly as you say, this decision _ russia. exactly as you say, this decision was _ russia. exactly as you say, this decision was made - russia. exactly as you say, this decision was made in i this decision was made in august _ this decision was made in august. it was made several weeks — august. it was made several weeks ago. russia has decided to announce it today when keir starmer — to announce it today when keir starmer is _ to announce it today when keir starmer is in the us meeting with— starmer is in the us meeting with biden about an issue that will have — with biden about an issue that will have a huge material impact _ will have a huge material impact on russia. it is clearly a political— impact on russia. it is clearly a political decision for the but — a political decision for the but both the decision to expel and announce today. it seemed very— and announce today. it seemed very much— and announce today. it seemed very much in london by officials _ very much in london by officials here as an attempt to intimidate the west for that to say we — intimidate the west for that to say we still have levers at our disposal _ say we still have levers at our disposal. we still have muscle
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and we — disposal. we still have muscle and we can still frustrate you and — and we can still frustrate you and your— and we can still frustrate you and your efforts to understand what's — and your efforts to understand what's going on.— what's going on. joe, i was talkin: what's going on. joe, i was talking to _ what's going on. joe, i was talking to an _ what's going on. joe, i was talking to an intelligent - talking to an intelligent expert earlier who was saying that there would not be spies in russia actively trying to do espionage work and they sort of traditional sense. espionage work and they sort of traditionalsense. he espionage work and they sort of traditional sense. he wouldn't tell me what they would be doing for the on that issue, how much credence can you give to what president putin was claiming? maybe if it's not these people in particular, a more general term.- these people in particular, a more general term. more generalterm. none. this is his playbook. _ more generalterm. none. this is his playbook. this _ more generalterm. none. this is his playbook. this is - more generalterm. none. this is his playbook. this isjust - is his playbook. this isjust pure intimidation. he's feeling threatened right now. the timing of this right now, the meeting in washington, so he lashes out. this is what he does. this is his history. it should bestjust be watched but it ignored. the uk, the us and
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let's get the latest from the us presidential election race — donald trump has been speaking in california today. philadelphia —— citing her campaign. it's also been announce shall be joining campaign. it's also been announce shall bejoining oprah winfrey for a live stream next week for the meanwhile donald trump has been making his appeal to voters in california today on a key election issue, the border. he repeated a pledge that if elected he would undertake the largest deportation in us
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history. j largest deportation in us histo . largest deportation in us histo. , history. i could say this, we will do large _ history. i could say this, we will do large deportation . history. i could say this, we i will do large deportation from springfield, ohio forthe will do large deportation from springfield, ohio for the large deportation, we could get these people out for supper bring it back to venezuela. he told biden, he's not accepting anybody back. they moved all their criminals, not all but their criminals, not all but the rest of the canal. the empty the jails in venezuela and emptied their criminals, emptied that mass. they are all now in the united states and the now taking over cities it's like an invasion from within. where can i have the lady two largest deportation in the history of our country and were going to start with springfield and aurora. immigration and border security has traditionally been a vote—winning issue for the republican party — and donald trump. but many analysts have noted that the former president was unable to capitalise on it in this week's presidential debate, instead speaking about theories of cats and dogs being eaten. and in a rally in arizona on thursday, there was this. residents are reporting that the migrants are walking off with the towns geese. they are
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taking the geese. do you know where the geese are? in the park. and even walking off with their pets. my dog has been taken, my dogs been... this can only happen. it's a risky strategy to take, in such a tight race — where its expected a group of undecided voters will ultimately determine the victor. the first major poll following that debate shows kamala harris leading donald trump by five percentage points — a slight increase on the advantage she had in a previous poll. the harris campaign has called for a second debate, saying they 'owed it to voters'. donald trump does not want a second debate. you do get the feeling after this news conference today where talked about immigration, he's sort of acknowledging that he didn't make enough of it in the tv debate the other night. he: embarrassed himself. the one constant in the career and life of donald trump is that donald
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trump only cares about donald trump. he doesn't care about anything or anyone else on that stage a few nights ago he was embarrassed and he doesn't want to do that again. this race and everybody around the world needs to understand this, this race for president is neck and neck right now. kamala harris will end up with more americans voting for her but that's not how we elect our presidents here electorally this thing is a time. and donald trump talking about immigrants in this country stealing and eating peoples cats and dogs, this is all about trying to scare people into voting for him. it will work to a degree but kamala harris, i think is appealing to our better angels. we will see. anna, i suppose the thing is that there will be some people who are welcoming what he is saying.— what he is saying. absolutely. to be honest, _
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what he is saying. absolutely. to be honest, i _ what he is saying. absolutely. to be honest, i know- what he is saying. absolutely. to be honest, i know that - to be honest, i know that trumpets come out and said he doesn't — trumpets come out and said he doesn't want to a second debate but i'm — doesn't want to a second debate but i'm not sure it's really in, — but i'm not sure it's really in, harasses interest either. she — in, harasses interest either. she did _ in, harasses interest either. she did do well in this round. she _ she did do well in this round. she managed to land some strong lows on— she managed to land some strong lows on biden. —— kamala harris _ lows on biden. —— kamala harris. the degree international stage, on the 30 opposed — international stage, on the 30 opposed to democracy, his regular— opposed to democracy, his regular race with the but what does — regular race with the but what does she _ regular race with the but what does she have to gain from doing — does she have to gain from doing it _ does she have to gain from doing it again?— does she have to gain from doing it again? that's what i wonder. interesting - doing it again? that's what i wonder. interesting point. doing it again? that's what i | wonder. interesting point for the weather if it was you who i spoke to recently and you said that the labour party from here the uk has spent people over to the uk has spent people over to the us to advise the democrats on trying not to say too much in terms of losing any momentum that they had and not try to make too many policy announcements for that was that you? jt announcements for that was that ou? . ,
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announcements for that was that ou? ., , , , announcements for that was that ou? . , , , it's you? it was me, yes. it's interesting, _ you? it was me, yes. it's interesting, not - you? it was me, yes. it's interesting, not wanting | you? it was me, yes. it's i interesting, not wanting to mess up at this stage in the game, i suppose. mess up at this stage in the game, isuppose. jt mess up at this stage in the game, i suppose.— game, i suppose. it still stands- _ game, i suppose. it still stands- l— game, i suppose. it still stands. ithink- game, i suppose. it still stands. i think there - game, i suppose. it still stands. i think there are game, i suppose. it still. stands. i think there are a game, i suppose. it still- stands. i think there are a lot of people _ stands. i think there are a lot of people in the media circles who— of people in the media circles who would like to see more fleshed _ who would like to see more fleshed out policies and every single — fleshed out policies and every single aspect of the us campaign ultimately, i think keir— campaign ultimately, i think keir starmer and campaign ultimately, i think keir starmerand the labour keir starmer and the labour party— keir starmerand the labour party did this quite well, the electorate can really only taken _ electorate can really only taken and care about a few things— taken and care about a few things for the you don't need to flesh— things for the you don't need to flesh out, is much as us journalists would like to know every — journalists would like to know every detail, every policy, the public— every detail, every policy, the public don't necessarily need that— public don't necessarily need that level of detail. i think the — that level of detail. i think the us— that level of detail. i think the us candidates are doing this quite well, identifying the electorates they really need — the electorates they really need to win and channeling
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their— need to win and channeling their message really carefully at those — their message really carefully at those people. and to do that you only— at those people. and to do that you only really need kind of a handful— you only really need kind of a handful of key policies the big criticism — handful of key policies the big criticism from the republicans to the — criticism from the republicans to the democrats is they do want — to the democrats is they do want to— to the democrats is they do want to hear more detail. the cost-of-living, _ want to hear more detail. the cost-of-living, one _ want to hear more detail. the cost-of-living, one of - want to hear more detail. tu9: cost—of—living, one of the want to hear more detail. tu9 cost—of—living, one of the key issues for voters in terms of when is their life going to get better in terms of what are they able to afford. our strategists and the people in his campaigns, is almost patronising to say that people don't want the detail? j don't want the detail? i completely agree. i don't want the detail? j completely agree. i say this as a republican who is for kamala harris, she needs to get out there. if she were up by 30 or 40 there. if she were up by 30 or a0 points and she had to sing in the bag then maybe stall and do your thing and don't have press conferences and don't take questions from the american people. but this race
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is tied. remember, kamala harris won that debate the other night because she was able to make donald trump look like the fool and bag guy that he is. but there are a lot of americans who don't specifically know where kamala harris stands on the issues with up she didn't clear a lot of that up the other night. i think it would be a big mistake for her, notjust about think it would be a big mistake for her, not just about the journalists for the if i was advising her i would want her out there answering the questions from the american voters. she really hasn't done that yet. i don't think she can win if she doesn't.— win if she doesn't. anna, is it erha -s win if she doesn't. anna, is it perhaps because _ win if she doesn't. anna, is it perhaps because she - win if she doesn't. anna, is it perhaps because she is - win if she doesn't. anna, is it perhaps because she is not i perhaps because she is not fearing words? == perhaps because she is not fearing words?— fearing words? -- fearing worse. fearing words? -- fearing worse- l _ fearing words? -- fearing worse. i agree _ fearing words? -- fearing worse. i agree the - fearing words? -- fearing - worse. i agree the comparison to the — worse. i agree the comparison to the uk_ worse. i agree the comparison to the uk is imperfect because labour— to the uk is imperfect because labour looks set to win for a long — labour looks set to win for a long time. there was more flex hear _
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longtime. there was more flex hear i— long time. there was more flex hear i do— long time. there was more flex bear. i do think it's a much more — bear. i do think it's a much more challenging proposition for kamala harris. i still think— for kamala harris. i still think it's _ for kamala harris. i still think it's not necessarily... i think— think it's not necessarily... i think this _ think it's not necessarily... i think this is what the uk election show, if the opposition is doing very badly you can sometimes allow them to implode _ you can sometimes allow them to implode for them selves. i think— implode for them selves. i think that was certainly something starmer was able to do in _ something starmer was able to do in those last few months for the sunak— do in those last few months for the sunak was flailing around, trying — the sunak was flailing around, trying to— the sunak was flailing around, trying to find new policies, that — trying to find new policies, that is a _ trying to find new policies, that is a huge amount of infighting for them i think the public— infighting for them i think the public really turned away quite considerably from the tories. i think— considerably from the tories. i think there is an extent to which _ think there is an extent to which we're seeing that in the us election. the republican campaign is floundering. i think— campaign is floundering. i think the public are seeing that — think the public are seeing that. you're right, the race is so tight— that. you're right, the race is so tight that perhaps it would
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be advantageous for the democrats to go more on the offensive — democrats to go more on the offensive and be more out there and selling themselves.- and selling themselves. yes. certainly makes _ and selling themselves. yes. certainly makes it _ and selling themselves. yes. j certainly makes it fascinating for all of us watching. also probably exhausting for the people in the swing states who are being constantly bombarded and will be over the next few weeks with a plenty more time to discuss that in the next few weeks more to come after the break. do state with us here on bbc news. hello again. over the past few days and nights, it'sjust been getting that little bit colder each time. now the coldest night of this week was last night where we had a pinch of frost quite widely, temperatures as low as minus three celsius — unusually cold for this early in autumn. but, with the clearer skies last night, well, you got a view of the northern lights in many places. the activity is not going to be so strong tonight, plus there'll be more clouds, so it's going to be more difficult to see tonight.
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and that cloud will bring some rain over the weekend, but it will be milder air that's heading our way. now, we're replacing that pool of cold air that we've had over the past few days, with south—westerly winds coming in from the atlantic, lifting the temperatures but bringing cloud and some outbreaks of rain and some stronger winds overnight to northern ireland and then pushing eastwards across scotland. some of the cloud will arrive in the north and west of england and wales — clearer skies in the south—east. temperatures could be as low as a or 5 in some rural areas, but it's certainly not as cold as it was last night. and, by morning, temperatures in scotland and northern ireland could be in double figures. maybe a little early rain, but we should see a little sunshine breaking through the cloud for a while ahead of the next band of rain that arrives into the north—west during the afternoon. england and wales is looking dry, some clouds, some sunshine. it's not as windy here. and for all of us, temperatures are going to be higher on saturday — 17 or 18, scotland and northern ireland, for eastern parts of england, 19 maybe even 20 celsius.
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here we've got high pressure dominating, keeping it dry. but there is that weather front bringing the rain into the north—west that will slip slowly southwards into england and wales on sunday. this is where we've got the cloud and patchy rain to begin with. that should move away from northern england. it may get a bit wetter in wales, some pockets of rain into the midlands and south—west, but further north the showers in northern scotland will move away. we'll get more sunshine and it's not going to be as windy. similar sort of temperatures though on sunday, peaking at 20 in the south—east of england. here it should stay dry until the end of the day, and high pressure is going to be dominant into next week, pushing away all those weather fronts, the rain areas and the stronger winds to the north—west of the uk. so, not too windy away from southern england where we'll have a stronger easterly wind, some mist and fog patches, not particularly cold at night, and it will be feeling a little bit warmer in the sunshine during the day.
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