and a successful end to the polaris dawn mission, whose four member team on thursday completed the first—ever commercial spacewalk. the spacex dragon capsule safely splashed down off the coast of florida. now on bbc news, newscast. yesterday, laura, you yesterday, laura, you were yesterday, laura, you were telling me and the one listening to the podcast that it's just got really real for labour. it'sjust got really real for labour. ., �* , it'sjust got really real for labour. . �* , , , ., labour. that's the sense i got with conversations _ labour. that's the sense i got with conversations with - labour. that's the sense i got| with conversations with people last week and i think this morning you look at all of the headlines, all difficult things, all issues with not obvious solutions and i think that's absolutely the case. the story is around, there's tonnes of them. , ., .,

of them. yes, there are labour donors and _ of them. yes, there are labour donors and dresses _ of them. yes, there are labour donors and dresses for- of them. yes, there are labour donors and dresses for lady i donors and dresses for lady starmer, there the uefa story, weighing in about an independent regulator for football, the missiles going into russia story.— football, the missiles going into russia story. there is a horrible. — into russia story. there is a horrible, tragic _ into russia story. there is a horrible, tragic story - into russia story. there is a horrible, tragic story this i horrible, tragic story this morning, eight confirmed deaths already from a migrant crossing across the channel. 50 already from a migrant crossing across the channel.— across the channel. so we're auoin across the channel. so we're going to _ across the channel. so we're going to try _ across the channel. so we're going to try to _ across the channel. so we're going to try to tackle - across the channel. so we're going to try to tackle the - across the channel. so we're i going to try to tackle the news in this episode of newscast, what the guests have said about them and we will be joined by nick watt. them and we will be “oined by nick want nick watt. hello, it's laura in the studio- — nick watt. hello, it's laura in the studio. its _ nick watt. hello, it's laura in the studio. its paddy - nick watt. hello, it's laura in the studio. its paddy in - nick watt. hello, it's laura in the studio. its paddy in the l the studio. its paddy in the studio. and _ the studio. its paddy in the studio. and nick _ the studio. its paddy in the studio. and nick watt. - the studio. its paddy in the l studio. and nick watt. none the studio. its paddy in the - studio. and nick watt. none of these easy _ studio. and nick watt. none of these easy things _ studio. and nick watt. none of these easy things for _ studio. and nick watt. none of these easy things for the - these easy things for the government. let's start with the news this morning. as many as eight people have been confirmed trying to cross the channel from france to the

south coast of england. the french police have announced that this morning. we asked the politicians at the studio this morning, the foreign secretary david lambie expressed sadness and concern but the timing is interesting because keir starmer is going to italy tomorrow to talk to george —— georgia meloni has taken a hard approach to immigration and the government seem open to following some of her example. yes, the prime minister had a long _ yes, the prime minister had a long conversation with georgia meloni — long conversation with georgia meloni at the summit he hosted, he inherited it from rishi sunak_ he inherited it from rishi sunak and he hosted the meeting at blenheim palace and had a long — at blenheim palace and had a long chat with georgia meloni and he's _ long chat with georgia meloni and he's very interested in her ideas. — and he's very interested in her ideas, which have led to a reduction in what is now called irregular— reduction in what is now called irregular migration across the mediterranean to italy, that's

based — mediterranean to italy, that's based on _ mediterranean to italy, that's based on two big things, going upstream and going downstream. upstream — upstream and going downstream. upstream is you go to the countries where the migrants are coming from which in the case — are coming from which in the case of— are coming from which in the case of italy is libya and tunisia. _ case of italy is libya and tunisia, and you have deals with— tunisia, and you have deals with them which involves a lot of money— with them which involves a lot of money to reduce the incentive for people to come to italy. _ incentive for people to come to italy. that _ incentive for people to come to italy, that seems to be successful. the downstream element _ successful. the downstream element is that when migrants come — element is that when migrants come to— element is that when migrants come to your country, come to italy, _ come to your country, come to italy, you — come to your country, come to italy, you then process them elsewhere and so what's happening with italy is they are being processed in albania and keir— are being processed in albania and keir starmer is interested in that — and keir starmer is interested in that. that is different to the — in that. that is different to the rwanda scheme, your asylum application is processed in albania. _ application is processed in albania, if you are successful, you go — albania, if you are successful, you go to _ albania, if you are successful, you go to italy, if you are unsuccessful, you go home. windef— unsuccessful, you go home. winder was a final destination, no processing, you there —— rwanda _ no processing, you there —— rwanda was a final destination

i thought there was ammunition there for critics of the labour government and there is the discussion of the ongoing tightening of border controls in germany which gives us a sense of a continental problem being addressed by different countries at the same time. it's something the former government used to have when they were criticised over rwanda, the use to see it's not just us doing this, other people are doing similar things. no other country is saying, you arrive, if you get here, you just going to be somewhere else and that is it, but it's true there is definitely a trend of european leaders taking tougher approaches because of what is going on, and this is what the foreign secretary said when we asked him if the government was considering the model. thea;t considering the model. they have a comprehensive - considering the model. they have a comprehensive scheme with _ have a comprehensive scheme with albania. _ have a comprehensive scheme with albania, understanding. with albania, understanding that— with albania, understanding that the _ with albania, understanding that the balkans _ with albania, understanding that the balkans route - with albania, understanding that the balkans route as i with albania, understanding l that the balkans route as well as the — that the balkans route as well as the channel— that the balkans route as well as the channel and _ that the balkans route as well as the channel and the - that the balkans route as well . as the channel and the southern mediterranean _ as the channel and the southern mediterranean are _ as the channel and the southern mediterranean are roots - as the channel and the southern mediterranean are roots with i mediterranean are roots with which — mediterranean are roots with which migrants _ mediterranean are roots with which migrants use - mediterranean are roots with which migrants use so- mediterranean are roots with which migrants use so of- which migrants use so of course, _ which migrants use so of course, because - which migrants use so of course, because it - which migrants use so of

course, because it has . which migrants use so of- course, because it has reduced the numbers, _ course, because it has reduced the numbers, we— course, because it has reduced the numbers, we are _ course, because it has reducedl the numbers, we are interested in discussing _ the numbers, we are interested in discussing italy _ the numbers, we are interested in discussing italy the _ the numbers, we are interested in discussing italy the schemesl in discussing italy the schemes that they— in discussing italy the schemes that they have _ in discussing italy the schemes that they have developed - in discussing italy the schemes that they have developed not l that they have developed not 'ust that they have developed not just with _ that they have developed not just with albania _ that they have developed not just with albania but - that they have developed not. just with albania but upstream schemes— just with albania but upstream schemes with _ just with albania but upstream schemes with syria _ just with albania but upstream schemes with syria and - just with albania but upstream schemes with syria and libya i just with albania but upstream i schemes with syria and libya as welt _ schemes with syria and libya as well. �* , ., ._ schemes with syria and libya as well. �* , ., ., ., well. let's turn away from that to the question _ well. let's turn away from that to the question of _ well. let's turn away from that to the question of will - well. let's turn away from that to the question of will western supplied missiles made into russia, fired from ukraine? on radio four, we had many guests this morning tell us that if you supply weaponry, it will end up being used and this is of great concern to newscasters, this escalation, the meeting between the prime minister and president in washington gave no public answer yet the newspapers and airwaves are filled with saying someone is going to have to answer this very soon. it someone is going to have to answer this very soon. it feels that no final _ answer this very soon. it feels that no final decision - answer this very soon. it feels that no final decision has - answer this very soon. it feels| that no final decision has been made — that no final decision has been made i— that no final decision has been made. i think there was hope on the uk _ made. i think there was hope on the uk side they will get the agreement from the white house. that hasn't happened but it's not a — that hasn't happened but it's not a definitive no. we have now— not a definitive no. we have now moved to the un general assembly in new york at the end of september. keirstarmer assembly in new york at the end of september. keir starmer will be there. — of september. keir starmer will be there, joe biden will be there — be there, joe biden will be there and volodymyr zelensky

will he — there and volodymyr zelensky will be there, where he will be outlining — will be there, where he will be outlining his plan for how this war ends— outlining his plan for how this war ends and it sounds like joe biden— war ends and it sounds like joe biden wants to hear from president zelensky but i think it's really important to say, what — it's really important to say, what are _ it's really important to say, what are these storm shadow missiles — what are these storm shadow missiles intending to do if ukraine _ missiles intending to do if ukraine is allowed to fire them into russia? are they designed to ensure — into russia? are they designed to ensure ukraine wins this war? — to ensure ukraine wins this war? that _ to ensure ukraine wins this war? that would be great but nobody — war? that would be great but nobody is _ war? that would be great but nobody is saying that's going to happen. are they designed to tilt the _ to happen. are they designed to tilt the balance of this war? that— tilt the balance of this war? that would be great but that's not going to happen. they are designed _ not going to happen. they are designed to put intense pressure on president putin who is facing — pressure on president putin who is facing very, very strong pressure _ is facing very, very strong pressure to strengthen president zelensky's hand if we move _ president zelensky's hand if we move towards some sort of negotiations to bring an end to this war~ — negotiations to bring an end to this war. ., ,, . ., , this war. the foreign secretary answered _ this war. the foreign secretary answered what _ this war. the foreign secretary answered what sounds - this war. the foreign secretary answered what sounds like - this war. the foreign secretary answered what sounds like a i answered what sounds like a simple question, are you going to send these missiles? this is what david lammy said in

response to what is a simple question, are you going to give volodymyr zelensky permission to fire these missiles into russia are not? this is what our diplomat in chief, no longer opposition politician, had to say. longer opposition politician, had to say-— had to say. know war is one with anyone _ had to say. know war is one with anyone weapon -- - had to say. know war is one with anyone weapon -- no i had to say. know war is one i with anyone weapon -- no war had to say. know war is one - with anyone weapon -- no war is with anyone weapon —— no war is won— with anyone weapon —— no war is won with — with anyone weapon —— no war is won with anyone _ with anyone weapon —— no war is won with anyone weapon - with anyone weapon —— no war is won with anyone weapon and - with anyone weapon —— no war is won with anyone weapon and it'sj won with anyone weapon and it's important — won with anyone weapon and it's important we _ won with anyone weapon and it's important we continue _ won with anyone weapon and it's important we continue to - important we continue to support— important we continue to support ukraine - important we continue to support ukraine in - important we continue to support ukraine in the i important we continue to i support ukraine in the black sea and _ support ukraine in the black sea and huge _ support ukraine in the black sea and huge challenges - support ukraine in the black sea and huge challenges inl support ukraine in the black. sea and huge challenges in the air that — sea and huge challenges in the air that are _ sea and huge challenges in the air that are being _ sea and huge challenges in the air that are being mounted - sea and huge challenges in the airthat are being mounted by. airthat are being mounted by russia — airthat are being mounted by russia and _ airthat are being mounted by russia and also _ airthat are being mounted by russia and also that - airthat are being mounted by russia and also that we - airthat are being mounted byj russia and also that we have, with _ russia and also that we have, with training _ russia and also that we have, with training of _ russia and also that we have, with training of their- russia and also that we have, with training of their own - russia and also that we have, | with training of their own men and women _ with training of their own men and women on _ with training of their own men and women on the _ with training of their own men and women on the front - with training of their own men and women on the front line, i and women on the front line, 45.000 — and women on the front line, 45.000 who _ and women on the front line, 45,000 who have _ and women on the front line, 45,000 who have trained, i and women on the front line, i 45,000 who have trained, more than _ 45,000 who have trained, more than any— 45,000 who have trained, more than any other— 45,000 who have trained, more than any other nation. _ 45,000 who have trained, more than any other nation.— than any other nation. what's interesting — than any other nation. what's interesting is _ than any other nation. what's interesting is there _ than any other nation. what's interesting is there is - than any other nation. what's interesting is there is a - than any other nation. what's interesting is there is a part l interesting is there is a part you can clearly see. president zelensky says to his western

allies, i love that you have been backing me but i need this, tanks it was, months and months and months, eventually tanks go, then there was the question of fighterjets, "i question of fighter jets, "i need question of fighterjets, "i need fighterjets," months and months then eventually fighter jets. no seniorformer months then eventually fighter jets. no senior former military man, deputy supreme of nato, says he thinks in the end it will allow this, but you can see the frustration in ukraine, that they ask and ask and there is delay and delay, perhaps for very good reasons. the sense here and across the atlantic in government is that they need to understand the impact of these missiles if they were used in that way, while political and diplomatic wheels turn slowly but every day there is loss of life on the and russian sides, and general mccall was alluding

to the sense that the west is doing enough to allow ukraine to keep fighting but not to win this war and therefore it goes on, it's a stalemate, and when western leaders say they can have everything they need to win, that's actually not what the evidence tells us, that's not the pattern of how this has developed in the last couple of years. developed in the last couple of ears. , ~., ., years. piers morgan said there is a very simple _ years. piers morgan said there is a very simple question, - years. piers morgan said there is a very simple question, whoj is a very simple question, who do you — is a very simple question, who do you want to win this war? or who— do you want to win this war? or who do— do you want to win this war? or who do not— do you want to win this war? or who do not want to lose this war? — who do not want to lose this war? it_ who do not want to lose this war? if the view in the west is that— war? if the view in the west is that they— war? if the view in the west is that they want ukraine to win this war. _ that they want ukraine to win this war, but that's probably not going to happen but they would — not going to happen but they would like ukraine is not to lose, — would like ukraine is not to lose, you _ would like ukraine is not to lose, you need to give them what — lose, you need to give them what they need, but there is immense _ what they need, but there is immense caution because of the potentially escalator a nature of allowing these sorts of weapons and i think the components, the intelligence required _ components, the intelligence required for these weapons is at a _ required for these weapons is at a nato _ required for these weapons is at a nato level and so it's not that _ at a nato level and so it's not that you _ at a nato level and so it's not that you need everybody in the nato _

that you need everybody in the nato agreeing but clearly president biden will be very, very— president biden will be very, very concerned about what germany thinks and germany is getting — germany thinks and germany is getting very, very nervous because — getting very, very nervous because olaf scholz is facing intense _ because olaf scholz is facing intense political pressure on his hard _ intense political pressure on his hard right and on his far left, — his hard right and on his far left, and _ his hard right and on his far left, and the one thing that those — left, and the one thing that those two political forces on either— those two political forces on either side of the spectrum have — either side of the spectrum have in— either side of the spectrum have in common is they want a much — have in common is they want a much softer approach for germany's relations with russia _ germany's relations with russia. , ., ., russia. piers morgan was on our anel russia. piers morgan was on our panel this _ russia. piers morgan was on our panel this morning _ russia. piers morgan was on our panel this morning expressing i panel this morning expressing that view, you need to pick a side here, but it is more complicated than that. you've got these two things, if you want to take the borisjohnson or piers morgan view, this is a conflict between good and evil and you have to pick a side, and you have to pick a side, and i'm paraphrasing, but it's interesting how much foreign affairs is right at the top of the agenda of a new pro—minister. the agenda of a new pro-minister.- the agenda of a new pro-minister. the agenda of a new ro-minister. ,, . ., pro-minister. the us election chan . es pro-minister. the us election changes the _ pro-minister. the us election changes the compass - pro-minister. the us election| changes the compass bearings pro-minister. the us election - changes the compass bearings on this discussion we are now having because it is in the

papers today, a lot of analysis, putin can see a big difference between a white house run by kamala harris and a white house run by donald trump. this is of great interest to me because our foreign secretary david lammy in a previous role on the backbenches was terribly rude about donald trump.- about donald trump. highly, hiuhl , about donald trump. highly, highly. highly _ about donald trump. highly, highly, highly critical, - highly, highly critical, telling him a woman hating neo—nazi sympathising sociopath. that's not standard political banter. people would see how donald trump behaves... he has but what's interesting is david — he has but what's interesting is david lammy has spent the last 18 — is david lammy has spent the last 18 months trying to get pretty— last 18 months trying to get pretty close to the donald trump _ pretty close to the donald trump team.— pretty close to the donald trump team. yes, trump team. despite that? yes, and i interviewed _ trump team. despite that? yes, and i interviewed eldredge - and i interviewed eldredge colby— and i interviewed eldredge colby who is being talked about as a possible national security adviser— as a possible national security

adviser if— as a possible national security adviser if we have another clump _ adviser if we have another clump presidency, and he's been talking _ clump presidency, and he's been talking quite favourably about david — talking quite favourably about david lammy and quite like david — david lammy and quite like david lammy and quite like david lammy has talked about how donald trump correctly called — how donald trump correctly called on european powers to spend — called on european powers to spend more on nato which was a bil spend more on nato which was a big donald trump thing, so david — big donald trump thing, so david lammy has made a huge effort — david lammy has made a huge effort with the trump team and in one — effort with the trump team and in one of— effort with the trump team and in one of those meetings where he was — in one of those meetings where he was meeting the trump team, saying _ he was meeting the trump team, saying i_ he was meeting the trump team, saying i had better mention what — saying i had better mention what i — saying i had better mention what i said, one of the trump team — what i said, one of the trump team said. _ what i said, one of the trump team said, we have said much worse — team said, we have said much worse than _ team said, we have said much worse than that about donald trump, — worse than that about donald trump, don't worry! but there are other— trump, don't worry! but there are other people in the trump circle — are other people in the trump circle who— are other people in the trump circle who have not forgotten and will — circle who have not forgotten and will not forgive what david lammy — and will not forgive what david lammy said. and will not forgive what david lammy said-— and will not forgive what david lamm said. ., ., ., , lammy said. how would that play out if trump _ lammy said. how would that play out if trump ends _ lammy said. how would that play out if trump ends up _ lammy said. how would that play out if trump ends up back- lammy said. how would that play out if trump ends up back in - out if trump ends up back in the white house? the uk foreign secretary has to be able to have a proper relationship with the white house. if the wait has shuts the door to him, the state department isn't going to talk to him —— if the white house shuts the door. some are

saying they would have to fire david lammy if trump wins. you can see has been moderating his approach. he is friends withjd vance, donald trump's vice presidential candidate but it is also fascinating from a human point of view to see how these people who are outspoken in opposition are now talking in opposition are now talking in completely different ways and david lammy this morning even refused to comment on donald trump's untruths this week about immigrants in springfield, ohio, his claim that haitians were eating people's pets, baseless claims. there have been bomb threats to schools around haitians and serious results from those comments, and david lammy wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, and i think there will be people who were watching at

home, labourvoters people who were watching at home, labour voters are not, who will be struck by that. david —— david lammy has one thing _ david —— david lammy has one thing in — david —— david lammy has one thing in common withjd david —— david lammy has one thing in common with jd vance, they— thing in common with jd vance, they have — thing in common with jd vance, they have both been spectacularly rude about donald trump, — spectacularly rude about donald trump, but a new key diplomatic circles. _ trump, but a new key diplomatic circles. you — trump, but a new key diplomatic circles, you have seen a precedent of this which is when lord _ precedent of this which is when lord datuk had to resign after a leech— lord datuk had to resign after a leech telegram in which he had written dis— obliging things— had written dis— obliging things about donald trump when the uk _ things about donald trump when the uk embassy heard about this, — the uk embassy heard about this, they spoke to the chief of staff— this, they spoke to the chief of staff at the white house on the view— of staff at the white house on the view was it would be fine and — the view was it would be fine and then— the view was it would be fine and then a few days later, donald _ and then a few days later, donald trump said we would not be dealing with lord darroch, that _ be dealing with lord darroch, that was _ be dealing with lord darroch, that was the end of him as an ambassador in washington. the trump _ ambassador in washington. the trump circle say that it will be fine _ trump circle say that it will be fine about david lammy but then _ be fine about david lammy but then trump could stand up and say we — then trump could stand up and say we will not be dealing with him _ say we will not be dealing with him. . �* , ,., ., say we will not be dealing with him. . �*, ,., ., ., him. that's the potential of another clump _ him. that's the potential of

another clump presidency. | another clump presidency. general mccall said it was a dreadful narrative and he's not great but when i asked him who he would prefer as commander—in—chief as a military guy, he was diplomatic and did not name names but it was clear who he meant, he did not mean donald trump and his point was about reliability and predict ability and he said as he commander—in—chief, he want somebody who is reliable, who you know that you can predict their behaviour and paraphrasing slightly, but that is the great unknown. another clump presidency might be more predictable, might be a different kind of guy —— another trump presidency. you may go back an era where every where every morning, every journalist, every politician, lots of citizens wake up nervously to look at your mobile phone thinking, what has he tweeted overnight that could change the world in a flash? there was another issue today that we are going to touch on,

which is a row about football. the past government said it would be good to have an independent regulator. that came out of the situation over at the super league, and the union of european football associations, uefa, has sent a letter which the bbc has seen to the current government which backed the proposal, warning that england, which is due to host the euros in 2028, cannot compete in its own hosted event because it looks like government interference. have i even gone there in explaining this? i even gone there in explaining this? ~ , ., �* even gone there in explaining this? ~ �* , ., this? i think you've explained it very well- _ this? i think you've explained it very well. when _ this? i think you've explained it very well. when i _ this? i think you've explained it very well. when i was - it very well. when i was looking at it this morning, i wasn't sure i understood the story correctly but i think you have understood it very well. i also applaud your use of the word stooshy!— also applaud your use of the word stooshy! also applaud your use of the word stoosh ! , ~ ., word stooshy! henry winter, who knows what _ word stooshy! henry winter, who knows what he's _ word stooshy! henry winter, who knows what he's talking - word stooshy! henry winter, who

knows what he's talking about, . knows what he's talking about, said this on radio four this morning. said this on radio four this morning-— said this on radio four this morninu. , ., . ., . morning. there is no chance that england _ morning. there is no chance that england will _ morning. there is no chance that england will have - morning. there is no chance that england will have the i that england will have the games— that england will have the games taken— that england will have the games taken away- that england will have the games taken away from i that england will have the - games taken away from them and won't _ games taken away from them and won't be — games taken away from them and won't be allowed _ games taken away from them and won't be allowed to _ games taken away from them and won't be allowed to get _ won't be allowed to get involved _ won't be allowed to get involved because - won't be allowed to get. involved because english football _ involved because english football is _ involved because english football is very— involved because english football is very good - football is very good organisers, - football is very good organisers, the - football is very good l organisers, the other football is very good - organisers, the other financial powerhouse. _ organisers, the other financial powerhouse. -- _ organisers, the other financial powerhouse, —— they- organisers, the other financial powerhouse, —— they are - organisers, the other financial powerhouse, —— they are a - powerhouse, —— they are a financial— powerhouse, —— they are a financial powerhouse, - powerhouse, —— they are a financial powerhouse, and | powerhouse, —— they are a - financial powerhouse, and uefa know _ financial powerhouse, and uefa know that — financial powerhouse, and uefa know that they _ financial powerhouse, and uefa know that they need _ financial powerhouse, and uefa know that they need a - financial powerhouse, and uefa| know that they need a regulator to stand — know that they need a regulator to stand up _ know that they need a regulator to stand up to— know that they need a regulator to stand up to the _ know that they need a regulator to stand up to the major- know that they need a regulator to stand up to the major clubs l to stand up to the major clubs which — to stand up to the major clubs which don't _ to stand up to the major clubs which don't only— to stand up to the major clubs which don't only threaten - which don't only threaten english _ which don't only threaten english football- which don't only threaten english football if - which don't only threaten english football if they. which don't only threaten . english football if they have their— english football if they have their way— english football if they have theirwayand_ english football if they have their way and start - english football if they have their way and start moving. their way and start moving games— their way and start moving games around _ their way and start moving games around the - their way and start moving games around the world i their way and start moving i games around the world but their way and start moving - games around the world but also threaten — games around the world but also threaten uefa. _ games around the world but also threaten uefa.— threaten uefa. henry is basically _ threaten uefa. henry is basically telling - threaten uefa. henry is basically telling us - threaten uefa. henry is basically telling us this| threaten uefa. henry is i basically telling us this is threaten uefa. henry is . basically telling us this is a scare story but we telephoned the former conservative sports minister who told us, i had plenty of conversations with uefa and they didn't have any problem with it. there we leave it because otherwise you will be testing me again and i don't want to be tested on football knowledge. i want to be tested on football knowledge-— want to be tested on football knowledue. ., , ., knowledge. i would be worried ou knowledge. i would be worried you would _ knowledge. i would be worried you would do _ knowledge. i would be worried you would do it _ knowledge. i would be worried you would do it back— knowledge. i would be worried you would do it back and - knowledge. i would be worried you would do it back and we'dl you would do it back and we'd both be embarrassed! i you would do it back and we'd both be embarrassed!- both be embarrassed! i heard there is only _

both be embarrassed! i heard there is only one _ both be embarrassed! i heard| there is only one conservative held _ there is only one conservative held constituency that has an english — held constituency that has an english league football team. | english league football team. i pompously said, has anybody noticed that keir starmer keeps having events at non—league football grounds or lower league football grounds? and yes, he is a genuine football fan, but isn't it interesting, and i've been told that's a deliberate part of the strategy because you can map over those towns with the county constituencies they like to win. some suggested i was appalling and terribly cynical for suggesting that, which it turns out was entirely true, it just has to be said, but it worked!— just has to be said, but it worked! �* ., ., worked! and then who told me? sor to worked! and then who told me? sorry to interrupt, _ worked! and then who told me? sorry to interrupt, i _ worked! and then who told me? sorry to interrupt, i was - worked! and then who told me? sorry to interrupt, i was going i sorry to interrupt, i was going to see that on the venn diagram of what i think politics matters to the journal is a sinner is authenticity and if keir starmer is genuinely a football fan and he turns up with good outcomes politically and football —wise at

non—league football grounds, it's an authentic keir starmer and i think what all of us as voters and journalists say it works really well when there is a straight line between what you actually think that what you actually think that what you actually think that what you actually do.— you actually think that what ou actuall do. ~ ., ., ., you actually do. who would have thou~ht you actually do. who would have thought it. _ you actually do. who would have thought it. as — you actually do. who would have thought it, as piers _ you actually do. who would have thought it, as piers morgan - you actually do. who would have thought it, as piers morgan so i thought it, as piers morgan so shyly shared with the nation this morning, that he and the prime minister are going to the football today? as a david lammy because i think there is a certain north london derby —— as is david lammy. i a certain north london derby -- as is david lammy.— as is david lammy. i got into trouble when _ as is david lammy. i got into trouble when i _ as is david lammy. i got into trouble when i said _ as is david lammy. i got into trouble when i said keir- trouble when i said keir starmer is the first genuine football— starmer is the first genuine football fan of a prime minister since gordon brown, and people say that's outrageous, because rishi sunak supports — outrageous, because rishi sunak supports southampton. i am a non—expert but i can recognise a football— non—expert but i can recognise a football expert and my recognition is that if you said to keir— recognition is that if you said to keir starmer, who supports arsenal, — to keir starmer, who supports arsenal, looking back over 40 years. — arsenal, looking back over 40 years, what would you see with the 20 — years, what would you see with the 20 most important games? your— the 20 most important games? your guarantee he would speak nonstop — your guarantee he would speak nonstop for four hours and the only— nonstop for four hours and the only last — nonstop for four hours and the

only last prime minister you could — only last prime minister you could do— only last prime minister you could do that with is gordon brown — could do that with is gordon brown — could do that with is gordon brown about raith rovers, and could do that with is gordon brown about raith rovers, and you literally have seen gordon you literally have seen gordon brown — brown — you literally have seen gordon brown talking on tv for hours you literally have seen gordon brown talking on tv for hours about — brown talking on tv for hours about raith rovers, but shall i about — brown talking on tv for hours about raith rovers, but shall i tell you — about raith rovers, but shall i tell you about the only tell you — about raith rovers, but shall i tell you about the only constituency that is conservative held amongst the constituency that is conservative held amongst the 92 league football clubs? it is 92 league football clubs? it is bromley and who is the source bromley and who is the source of that? — of that? — bromley and who is the source of that? it's the great and bromley and who is the source of that? it's the great and wonderful nigel morris, former wonderful nigel morris, former independent political independent political journalist who is one of the journalist who is one of the greatest _ greatest _ journalist who is one of the greatest expert on football, he journalist who is one of the greatest expert on football, he is likely— greatest expert on football, he is likely— greatest expert on football, he is likely my football tutor, a is likely my football tutor, a task— is likely my football tutor, a task in— task— is likely my football tutor, a task in— is likely my football tutor, a task in which he says he has is likely my football tutor, a task in which he says he has consistently failed because i'm consistently failed because i'm consistently failed because i'm consistently failed because i'm consistently hopeless. in consistently hopeless. in football trivia. he football trivia. he consistently hopeless. in football trivia.— consistently hopeless. in football trivia. �* , consistently hopeless. in football trivia.— consistently hopeless. in football trivia. �* , football trivia. he hasn't been teachin: football trivia. he hasn't been football trivia. he hasn't been teachin: football trivia. he hasn't been teaching you _ football trivia. he hasn't been teaching you how— football trivia. he hasn't been teaching you how to - football trivia. he hasn't been teaching you how to take - teaching you how to take teaching you _ football trivia. he hasn't been teaching you how— football trivia. he hasn't been teaching you how to - football trivia. he hasn't been teaching you how to take - teaching you how to take penalties?— penalties?— teaching you how to take enalties? ., , , ., ., teaching you how to take enalties? ., , , ., ., penalties? no, my sons do that! this is the _ penalties? no, my sons do that! this is the _ penalties? no, my sons do that! this is the sunday _ penalties? no, my sons do that! this is the sunday edition - penalties? no, my sons do that! penalties? no, my sons do that! this is the sunday _ penalties? no, my sons do that! this is the sunday edition - penalties? no, my sons do that! this is the sunday edition of - this is the sunday edition of newscast and the conversation this is the sunday edition of - this is the sunday edition of newscast and the conversation about football is very grabbing about football is very grabbing and i would make a prediction and i would make a prediction that if you look later today at that if you look later today at the number one or number two the number one or number two most read story on the bbc most read story on the bbc

website and our rivals who also website and our rivals who also host to any good gordon host to any good websites, it would be the football story, the top line of which is

would be the football story, the t a line of which is would be the football story, the t a labour which is would be the football story, the t a labour which for a long, been a labour donorfor a long, long time but also donated to keir starmer himself, who spent the money on things like new glasses, outfits, accommodation, thousands of pounds of accommodation were given to the couple, and the story is that personal shopping, alterations and clothes were paid for by lord waheed alli and that there was a problem with the declarations well done —— how they were done, which labour says has now been corrected. there is no suggestion this was some great, egregious crime but it is politically very awkward, partly because it's a story that's easy to understand, someone getting free frocks, what's that all about? because that's not normal to most of us, is one of the bizarre things about politics that wealthy donors give lots of money to prominent politicians. finally enough, football tickets. �* ., ,, tickets. and taylor swift tickets, _

tickets. and taylor swift tickets, lots _ tickets. and taylor swift tickets, lots of - tickets. and taylor swift l tickets, lots of politicians tickets. and taylor swift - tickets, lots of politicians do this but secondly, it's awkward because labour made so much mileage, unsurprisingly, out of all of the tory misdemeanours, donors doing dodgy things, all these allegations of cronyism and direction that the saga of donors and dresses will become a saga. donors and dresses will become a saua. donors and dresses will become a saia. ., , donors and dresses will become asaua. . , ., ~ a saga. david lammy was talking about it, he _ a saga. david lammy was talking about it, he was _ a saga. david lammy was talking about it, he was making - a saga. david lammy was talking about it, he was making the - about it, he was making the point — about it, he was making the point that it's not that keir starmer— point that it's not that keir starmer was hiding this and he -ot starmer was hiding this and he got found _ starmer was hiding this and he got found out, they hadn't declared it within the correct time — declared it within the correct time frame which is 28 days, they— time frame which is 28 days, they were then looking over offers — they were then looking over offers of— they were then looking over offers of free stuff coming in to victoria starmer and so the contact — to victoria starmer and so the contact of— to victoria starmer and so the contact of the parliamentary authority and said, what you think— authority and said, what you think about this and they said to clear— think about this and they said to clear it, so late declaration was and that's a bad — declaration was and that's a bad thing —— they said to declare _ bad thing —— they said to declare it. the problem for keir— declare it. the problem for keir starmer is that he held the conservatives to an incredibly high moral standard.

keir starmer was repulsed by boris — keir starmer was repulsed by borisjohnson, that's no secret _ borisjohnson, that's no secret. he thought that morality and borisjohnson secret. he thought that morality and boris johnson were two concepts that never went together, and if you hold people _ together, and if you hold people so publicly and relentlessly to such an incredibly high moral standard, if there — incredibly high moral standard, if there are questions about your— if there are questions about your conduct, and there may be a perfectly— your conduct, and there may be a perfectly innocent explanation, then you are going to find _ explanation, then you are going to find yourself under a lot of political — to find yourself under a lot of political pressure. we to find yourself under a lot of political pressure.— political pressure. we had e-mails — political pressure. we had e-mails from _ political pressure. we had e-mails from viewers, - political pressure. we had| e-mails from viewers, one political pressure. we had - e-mails from viewers, one says, e—mails from viewers, one says, 1. i e—mails from viewers, one says, "i hope they will be able to buy her way for a new dress for the conference could not rely on a donor. please remember that we don't have pension credit but have limited income have to face every single expense. i have to have a discussion with myself about whether i can afford a new winter coat." whether i can afford a new winter coat. "— whether i can afford a new winter coat. " winter coat." two things are atoin winter coat." two things are going on _ winter coat." two things are going on here _ winter coat." two things are going on here you _ winter coat." two things are going on here you are - winter coat." two things are i going on here you are showing the incandescent nature of this as a story, and the other thing

is is it is not compatible, partygate and delete to clear stress, so it's probably not fair but it's understandable that a free dress has gone over there —— it is not comparable, partygate and a free dress that was not declared. the winter fuel payments takes us back to the start of this episode when we said all of this is get real time, it's the list of events from foreign affairs, uefa decision, a letter which would be normal on its own, a dress and the international global crisis, welcome to number 10 downing street! crisis, welcome to number10 downing street!— downing street! governing is hard, eh? — downing street! governing is hard, eh? no _ downing street! governing is hard, eh? no one _ downing street! governing is hard, eh? no one has- downing street! governing is hard, eh? no one has ever. downing street! governing is| hard, eh? no one has ever let met ! hard, eh? no one has ever let me try! l— hard, eh? no one has ever let me try! i would _ hard, eh? no one has ever let me try! i would vote - hard, eh? no one has ever let me try! i would vote for - hard, eh? no one has ever let

me try! i would vote for you. | me try! i would vote for you. poor women! _ me try! i would vote for you. poor women! nick, - me try! i would vote for you. poor women! nick, give - me try! i would vote for you. poor women! nick, give us. me try! i would vote for you. i poor women! nick, give us your final verdict on the first 50 days. it final verdict on the first 50 da s. . , , final verdict on the first 50 da 5. ., , , , , days. it has been relentless, the hit days. it has been relentless, they hit the _ days. it has been relentless, they hit the ground - days. it has been relentless, they hit the ground running i days. it has been relentless, i they hit the ground running and were _ they hit the ground running and were seen— they hit the ground running and were seen to have prepared very well _ were seen to have prepared very well. ~ . , were seen to have prepared very well. ~ ., , well. was it so when they hit the ground? _ well. was it so when they hit the ground? then _ well. was it so when they hit the ground? then the - well. was it so when they hit the ground? then the riots i well. was it so when they hit i the ground? then the riots and keir starmer _ the ground? then the riots and keir starmer handle _ the ground? then the riots and keir starmer handle that - the ground? then the riots and keir starmer handle that quite | keir starmer handle that quite well and — keir starmer handle that quite well and know they are hitting a rough — well and know they are hitting a rough patch. there is a feeling _ a rough patch. there is a feeling in the labour party and its going — feeling in the labour party and its going rate into the government that they did not think— government that they did not think through the politics of means— think through the politics of means testing the winter fuel payments allowance and that is the backdrop in the background of why— the backdrop in the background of why keir starmer is finding things— of why keir starmer is finding things really difficult.- things really difficult. great to have you _ things really difficult. great to have you with _ things really difficult. great to have you with us. - things really difficult. great to have you with us. nice i things really difficult. great| to have you with us. nice to see you. to have you with us. nice to see you-— see you. i'm sure it's more than 50 — see you. i'm sure it's more than 50 days. _ see you. i'm sure it's more than 50 days. it's - see you. i'm sure it's more than 50 days. it's ten - see you. i'm sure it's more i than 50 days. it's ten weeks. the key thing _ than 50 days. it's ten weeks. the key thing is _ than 50 days. it's ten weeks. the key thing is he _ than 50 days. it's ten weeks. the key thing is he has - than 50 days. it's ten weeks. i the key thing is he has passed 49 days, — the key thing is he has passed 49 days, longer than liz truss! longer— 49 days, longer than liz truss! longer than electors.—

49 days, longer than liz truss! longer than electors. from this sunday episode, _ longer than electors. from this sunday episode, it's _ longer than electors. from this sunday episode, it's goodbye. i sunday episode, it's goodbye. —— longer than a lettuce.

live from london, this is bbc news. a boat carrying migrants from france to britain has sunk, killing at least eight people. catastrophic floods continue to sweep through central europe, leaving seven dead and others missing. israel's prime minister warns of retaliation against yemen's houthis, after they fired a missile that travelled deep into israeli territory. no—one was injured. high fashion is back in town with the 40th london fashion week underway. we'll bejoined live in studio with a designer and model.

we start this hour with the news that eight people have drowned while trying to cross the channel from france to england. their rubber boat was overloaded, with more than 50 people on board, including eritreans, sudanese, syrians and iranians. it comes as sir keir starmer heads off to italy to meet his italian counterpart, giorgia meloni, tomorrow. the two leaders are expected to discuss illegal migration, and to see what lessons can be learned from italy's scheme of sending migrants to albania. so far this year, 45 people have died trying to make the journey across the channel. that's the highest number since 2021 and nearly four times last year's figure. just yesterday alone, 800 migrants crossed the channel on 14 boats. the boat got into difficulties off the french town of ambleteuse and was driven onto rocks where it came apart. the rocky shore made the french rescue effort difficult. leigh milner has the latest. it's here on this beach, near the town of ambleteuse,