that is not quite significantly. that is not attributable to the albania scheme because that hasn't started, that is more likely attributable to the work the prime minister has done upstream, with some of the countries where migrants are coming from, the particular details and approach that has been taken. i have made the argument that preventing people leaving their country in the first place is far better than trying to deal with those that arrived in any other countries, so i was very interested in that. in a sense, today was a return to british pragmatism. we are pragmatists first and foremost. obviously a challenge we discussed i have explained at length at the centres in albania, it is italian european jurisdictions

so either you believe that european jurisdictions so either you believe that europeanjurisdictions if so either you believe that european jurisdictions if the human rights or i do not know this accusation i think it is completely groundless what we have done with albania means that these migrants will enjoy exactly the same rights and have the same treatment. for instance... this will happen in a territory that is not physically licked located in italy. while? festival, this helps us alleviate the situation —— first of all, this helps us alleviate the situation as we are the gateway to europe. you see what has happened in the last couple of years. by ensuring the full

implementation. our laws, our models as leisure violates human rights of migrants or you can notts argue that it was italy albania is not human rights. a framework —— manga translation: j a framework -- manga translation: ., ., ., translation: i wanted to ask prime minister _ translation: i wanted to ask prime minister maloney - translation: i wanted to ask prime minister maloney on - translation: | wanted to ask| prime minister maloney on your view of western weapons, i would say in russian territory by the army and whether the operation of ukraine in kursk is legitimate. the question to the uk prime minister, what is

the uk prime minister, what is the idea of giving the go—ahead of the use of language missiles in the russian territory? when you think about putin's answer who has mentioned the possible use of nuclear arms, saying his patience was wearing thin? with regards. patience was wearing thin? with re . ards. ~ ., patience was wearing thin? with reuards. ~ ., ., regards. with regard to ukraine. _ regards. with regard to ukraine, it _ regards. with regard to ukraine, it is _ ukraine, it is very important to us— ukraine, it is very important to us that _ ukraine, it is very important to us that kyiv has a very best conditions _ to us that kyiv has a very best conditions to set up a pc deal, and this— conditions to set up a pc deal, and this is— conditions to set up a pc deal, and this is what we have no right— and this is what we have no right from the start and are guaranteed that we have the best— guaranteed that we have the best conditions. with regard to the authorisation of using language missiles, these are decisions which are made by single — decisions which are made by single countries which provide these — single countries which provide

these weapons, bearing in mind their— these weapons, bearing in mind their constitutions and their legal— their constitutions and their legal framework. their constitutions and their legalframework. in their constitutions and their legal framework. in italy, this authorisation as you know today, _ authorisation as you know today, is— authorisation as you know today, is not debatable but these — today, is not debatable but these are all the decisions that— these are all the decisions that we _ these are all the decisions that we fully share with our allies _ that we fully share with our allies i_ that we fully share with our allies. i am saying this because this must not be seen as going — because this must not be seen as going backwards in terms of our supported ukraine when zethasty— our supported ukraine when zelinsky came to italy a couple of weeks — zelinsky came to italy a couple of weeks ago. he asked italy nothing _ of weeks ago. he asked italy nothing more than what it is doing — nothing more than what it is doing because heat is fully aware _ doing because heat is fully aware of what we are doing presently in cologne —— right in terms _ presently in cologne —— right in terms of supporting ukraine. each _ in terms of supporting ukraine. each country has its own points of preference when it comes to making — of preference when it comes to making decisions, we have ours. but i _ making decisions, we have ours. but i think— making decisions, we have ours. but i think that as we can see, we have — but i think that as we can see, we have 360 degrees support of italy we have 360 degrees support of ttaty to — we have 360 degrees support of italy to ukraine. that is is a 6 degrees support which will be

continued up until the very end -- max— continued up until the very end —— max elijah 60 degrees smart— —— max elijah 60 degrees support which we continue to the very— support which we continue to the very end. this is a decision— the very end. this is a decision fully shared by all of our governments.— decision fully shared by all of our governments. thank you, on this question _ our governments. thank you, on this question i _ our governments. thank you, on this question i think— our governments. thank you, on this question i think it's - this question i think it's important to start from the fundamental position which is that this is an illegal war started by russia. as a result, ukraine has the right to self defence and we have all, italy, the uk and other nato allies, been standing it with ukraine in the difference of her right of currency, of self defence and is a recognition that this is notjust and is a recognition that this is not just a and is a recognition that this is notjust a war on ukraine, it is the war against the values of democracy, freedom of rule of law and there applies to all of us in our respective countries and of course all of the allies. that is why we have

supplied capability, we have supplied capability, we have supplied training, we have supplied training, we have supplied money and further commitments to be made recently in relation to all of those. you know, ithink in relation to all of those. you know, i think it is very important as a matter of principle, that we put ukraine in the best possible position and that is what we have been discussing, we have had the opportunity today to touch on that. i had the opportunity in recent today to touch on that. i'm not going to do into individual capabilities, you would not expect me to do that. but the principal framework i think is absolutely right and we will continue to have discussions in relation to that. you'd both talk about your suntan— you'd both talk about your support for ukraine. prime minister— support for ukraine. prime minister meloni, are you worried _ minister meloni, are you worried about authorising the use of— worried about authorising the use of language missiles against rushing a tag escalate

the war— against rushing a tag escalate the war that russia may attack a nato — the war that russia may attack a nato member —— that russia may— a nato member —— that russia may escalate the war that it may— may escalate the war that it may attack a nato member. two circular — may attack a nato member. two circular stomach,. two circular stomach, _ circular stomach,. two circular stomach, you said. you will carry— stomach, you said. you will carry on— stomach, you said. you will carry on taking gift from lord ali? — carry on taking gift from lord ali? ~ ., ., carry on taking gift from lord ali? . ., ., ., carry on taking gift from lord ali? ~ ., ., ., ., ali? we have moved from a government _ ali? we have moved from a government of _ ali? we have moved from a government of gimmicks i ali? we have moved from a government of gimmicks to ali? we have moved from a i government of gimmicks to a government of gimmicks to a government of gimmicks to a government of pragmatism and that means i am utterly focused on what i think is the most likely deterrent and effective way of dealing with unlawful migration and that is to take down the gangs that are running this vile trade. of course, it is a problem we have got people arriving into the uk who are arriving into the uk who are arriving unlawfully across the channel or any other groups and

of course, every government has no possibility of making sure our borders are secure. rather than the gimmicks, which as you know it costs £700 million to persuade for volunteers to go to rwanda, we have gone down the road of pragmatism. already, we have retained over 3000 people by flights and if lights did actually get off under this government not to wonder mac but back to countries of origin —— not to wear they are returning people to countries of origin and that is why we are working so intently on the borders of security demand. it is also why am very interested in the work that the premise that here italy has been doing in terms of upstream work in the countries that people are coming from which on the face of it, is to have had a

profound effect on irregular migration into italy. that is what this is about, it is about the politics of pragmatism, the british are very good at pragmatism. it is not we are known for. it is seeing a problem and rolling up our sleeves and thinking which is the most effective way to deal with it? the last government, in my view, we had a gimmick which is not to work and cost an absolute fortune. you're not interested in that. in relation to your question about skips, the rules are absolutely clear in relation to gifts inked out of the declaration that need to be made. i say before and after the election, the rules my of declarations and that is where my to reach out for advice on what you declare from a relevant authority, they reach is again more recently and got further advice and hence, the declarations have gone to the court. you can all see according to the rules, exactly what's declarations were made.

it is because i am insistent on the rules that made him reach out to make sure that we are declaring on the right way and the rules and reach out to the appropriate authorities to basically ask them for advice about what is the appropriate way to deal with this in accordance with the rules. thank you. translation: once auain, thank you. translation: once again. regarding _ thank you. translation: once again, regarding the _ again, regarding the authorisation of using a measures and the risk of an escalation, it is a risk that we have to deal with every day. for sure, we have to deal with every day. forsure, it we have to deal with every day. for sure, it requires a lot of caution although we also have to say that this is not happening, and has been taken into account, we have seen the last few months, we have seen council hospitals bombed mercilessly. that is the reason why —— we have seen council hospitals bombed mercilessly. that is why the work that is the is doing to engage to defend and protect the

population. yourfocus mainly on and tie a defence and we office a team to ukraine and as you know, we have been working very quickly. actually, we've been working very hard. i think that today, this is the most valuable thing that we can do and this is what italy is doing. this has been recognised, i guess, doing. this has been recognised, iguess, by doing. this has been recognised, i guess, by our friends in ukraine and this is also fully recognised by all our partners so this is the line that we have decided to follow and that we keep following, make a very relevant efforts in this direction. thank you very much. thank you all. have a wonderful afternoon. thank you. studio: sa the afternoon. thank you. studio: say the british _ afternoon. thank you. studio: say the british and _ afternoon. thank you. studio: say the british and italian - say the british and italian prime minister sir keir starmer and giorgia meloni have had discussion following the

meetings from breakfast until now in rome. a wide range of topics discussed, from ukraine, the middle east, the all the talk about exchange students and innovative solutions. the chief topic for their meeting was dealing with irregular migration as you heard it described there. keir starmer noting that it is down by 2022 so he has been finding out after his arrest. a far cry from the polished and highly respected bbc newsreader he once was. so, as he went into question about whether he

wa nted wanted the prosecutor laid out. if you work to go on. another time, he said amazing. up until last year, hugh edwards was the most high—profile news reader, he presented the ten o'clock news as well as selection and royal coverage. bbc coverage is reporting the death of her majesty the queen. hugh edwards was suspended from the bbc lastjuly and the sun had published a story about sordid images are being bought by an unnamed tv presenter from a young

person. it was later named as that presenter. hugh edwards was then arrested over the possession of other images and related to the original allegation. other images and related to the originalallegation. in other images and related to the original allegation. in april, other images and related to the originalallegation. in april, he resigned from the bbc. two months later, he was charged with making indecent images of children. then in july, huw edwards appeared in court and pleaded guilty. the victims of huw edwards' crimes where children. behind every image, is a vulnerable chart. they have been violated and they have been subject to abuse. —— are behind every image is a vulnerable child. they continued distribution that abusive only go to sever such demand. hurst distribution that abusive only go to sever such demand.— distribution that abusive only go to sever such demand. huw edwards has been sentenced _ sever such demand. huw edwards has been sentenced to _ sever such demand. huw edwards has been sentenced to six _ sever such demand. huw edwards has been sentenced to six months - sever such demand. huw edwards has been sentenced to six months to - been sentenced to six months to prison. it's a huge fall from grace for a man described as the chief magistrate as perhaps the most

recognised newsreader in the uk. he was also told that is it was not an exaggeration to say that his reputation was in tatters. think ofa of a statement is from the bbc. it is meant to of what we have been hearing from this morning for a magistrates course. you can talk to jake kantor. jake you are the investigations editor of the media new site. you are actually in the court this morning when that sentence happened. can you just took us through what you witness? goad us through what you witness? good

afternoon. us through what you witness? good afternoon- i — us through what you witness? good afternoon. i think _ us through what you witness? good afternoon. i think it _ us through what you witness? good afternoon. i think it has _ us through what you witness? (13mm afternoon. i think it hasjust been afternoon. i think it has just been described in some of your earlier reports thejudge making his remarks saying that hugh edwards perhaps the most recognised newsreader in the uk and his reputation is now in tatters. i think one of my abiding memories of this morning will properly linger in my mind is that to huw edwards he was stood in the dark as he visited sentencing with his hands clasped in front of him, and it reminded me of an image that we have seen so many times on bbc news. him preparing to tell the nation about a major event. he was a trusted and influential in force within our living rooms and here he was, not on television, but learning that he was to receive a six month

suspended jail sentence. b, that he was to receive a six month suspended jail sentence. suspended “ail sentence. a suspended “ail suspended jail sentence. a suspended jail sentence — suspended jail sentence. a suspended jail sentence and _ suspended jail sentence. a suspended jail sentence and when _ suspended jail sentence. a suspended jail sentence and when dominic- suspended jail sentence. a suspended jail sentence and when dominic was i jail sentence and when dominic was also in the course during that scent is said that he appears to have let out a sigh at that moment. but nothing else, you give nothing else away. nothing else, you give nothing else awa . ~ . , nothing else, you give nothing else awa , ~ ., , ., nothing else, you give nothing else awa . . ., �* nothing else, you give nothing else away. was that you're reading? it was uuite away. was that you're reading? it was quite hard — away. was that you're reading? it was quite hard to _ away. was that you're reading? it was quite hard to read _ away. was that you're reading? it was quite hard to read too - away. was that you're reading? it was quite hard to read too much i away. was that you're reading? it i was quite hard to read too much into his body language. he would look at both towards into the prosecutor and defence and the judge at the time. in the early stages of the judges sentencing remarks, he was leaning forward with his hands on his chin looking very pensive. as he entered and left the dock, he gave a brief smile to some of the courtroom staff and as he entered the courthouse itself, you saw that he eyeballed some of the press. he looks directly

at some of the media assembled on either side of the entrance. i think another thing that struck me is that he was not wearing his customary suit and tie, instead, he was in a navy cardigan with an open neck shirt. that was a bit of a change from what we usually see from huw edwards. , , , ., edwards. just in terms of the assenting _ edwards. just in terms of the assenting seen _ edwards. just in terms of the assenting seen itself, -- i edwards. just in terms of the assenting seen itself, -- of. edwards. just in terms of the l assenting seen itself, -- of the assenting seen itself, —— of the sentencing itself, you would have seen images of him walking into the courts. you will see their bag which is often arguably, something that someone does if they possibly will have a prison sentence. that is not happening, there will be a commentary no doubt that perhaps, it could have been different, a stronger message could have been given. but we have ring —— we are hearing different, the cps for

example have said that a strong message have been given. they're saying that huw edwards was not sentenced differently to anybody else. , ., ., , else. they followed the guidelines. yes. i else. they followed the guidelines. yes- i think — else. they followed the guidelines. yes. ithinkthat_ else. they followed the guidelines. yes. i think that was _ else. they followed the guidelines. yes. i think that was very - else. they followed the guidelines. yes. i think that was very clear. i yes. i think that was very clear. the prosecution spoke for a time on that and so do the defence. it was clear that there was broad agreement on both sides and indeed, thejudge that there were significant mitigating factors in the huw edwards case. his good character up until this point, he has got no previous convictions. his —— i think thatjudge even said his exemplary character, given it standing within the national discourse and his position as the bbc. it is very clear that it was discussed in greater detail today. huw edwards' his poor mental health, they talked about him having a major depressive

episode and other cognitive issues have impacted his decision—making. they talked about the fact that it was a perfect storm of circumstances if you factor in things like the pandemic which is where the majority of these allegations and instances took place. you have these cumulative effects in which huw edwards was not making decisions to the best of his ability and that has all contributed to the sentencing and the suspended sentence that we have had today. i and the suspended sentence that we have had today-— have had today. i think it's important _ have had today. i think it's important to _ have had today. i think it's important to just - have had today. i think it's important to just to i have had today. i think it's| important to just to remind have had today. i think it's i important to just to remind our readers —— our view is in the centres of all of this that behind these images are victims who are very young. they don't have a voice. so criticaljust very young. they don't have a voice. so critical just to very young. they don't have a voice. so criticaljust to speak very young. they don't have a voice. so critical just to speak about them and the impact that this kind of crimes have on them.— and the impact that this kind of crimes have on them. yeah, i think that was really _ crimes have on them. yeah, i think that was really powerful— crimes have on them. yeah, i think that was really powerful and - that was really powerful and shocking some of what we heard from the prosecution today. we got more

detail on the nature of these images which i won't go into now, but they were distressing details about exactly what footage and images that huw edwards was in receipt of. i think one thing that was very powerful that came from or love to do's proceedings was that although huw edwards was not involved in the creation of these images, it was made very clear that their distribution furthers the abuse that these children and young people suffer, and particularly knowing that there's images are being sent circulating online can fare that the distress for the young people involved in this. as you say, i think it is really important to remember that today. yes think it is really important to remember that today.- think it is really important to remember that today. yes it is important _ remember that today. yes it is importantjust_ remember that today. yes it is important just to _ remember that today. yes it is important just to clarify - remember that today. yes it is important just to clarify that i remember that today. yes it is l important just to clarify that you knew you mention, the charges were of making indecent images of

children but he was not involved in creating them, it is a legal knew was that i wonder... was that explain in the courts a day? yes, very clearly- _ explain in the courts a day? yes, very clearly- as _ explain in the courts a day? yes, very clearly. as i _ explain in the courts a day? yes, very clearly. as i say, _ explain in the courts a day? yes, very clearly. as i say, he - explain in the courts a day? yes, very clearly. as i say, he was i explain in the courts a day? yes, j very clearly. as i say, he was not involved in the creation of these images, he was in receipt of them via whatsapp from a convicted paedophile. he, at one point, did set it as individual don't send me illegal images but equally, at other times, he was encouraging of these images. as you say, it is important to say that he was not involved in creating them.— to say that he was not involved in creating them. jake, really good to net our creating them. jake, really good to get your reflections _ creating them. jake, really good to get your reflections and _ creating them. jake, really good to get your reflections and insight i get your reflections and insight from within the court, within westminster magistrates' court as the former bbc presenter huw edwards were sentenced. really appreciate you talking us through it and appreciate some of these details were difficult to hear. as jake was

discussing and just reminding us, huw edwards was one of the most recognisable and trusted faces on british television. he has now been given a suspended six—month sentence, meaning that you will await a he often fronted coverage of major national events, but his guilty plea as i marks the end of a career in broadcasting which has spanned more than a0 years. our media and arts correspondent reports. huw edwards, for decades, the calm and trusted face of bbc news and here, arriving in court in july, facing charges over the top possession of indecent images of children. minutes later, he would plead guilty to all three charges. ai images, seven, class a, the most serious classification. to the crowds outside, no visible motion,

just the familiar demeanour of one of television pots best known faces. for 20 years, he fronted the news at ten. he has also been in the face of the bbc for elections. political crises, and while i state occasions. —— and royal and state occasions, but it was a newspaper headline that changed it forever. essays and articles was published in the sun, alleging that an unnamed bbc presenter was paying a young person described by the sun as sordid images. police eventually occluded that there was no evidence of alligator and a statement of the pot�*s wife finally revealed his identity to the public. a decision which was stated to protect his mental well being. in april, it was

with that he resigned. it was the end of the career, that had taken them from reporting on bbc nous, to be made the lead presenter on bbc tv news and to become one of the most familiar faces news and to become one of the most familiarfaces on news and to become one of the most familiar faces on british television. given the of presenting the bbc tv election of 2019, it was the bbc tv election of 2019, it was the first change of host into a0 years. he occupied a role that acquired reliability, trustworthiness, dignity for those reminding, imported moments. here is the announcements of the death of the announcements of the death of the queen. and then this. a man who was arrested in november, charge in june and injuly, pleaded guilty to those charges. he had already resigned, but he was to the public, one of the faces of the bbc. this is

more than at the end of a career and a rep as —— reputation destroyed. we do have much reaction coming in of cause and we have more details on our website. we have a live page running there and also a timeline as well as to how this developed, how this unravelled. but now, here on bbc news, we come across a way to talk to andrew was a feature writer on the times. the interview to tap among a number of times and relatively, recently had lunch with them. to tell us back a little bit about your recollections. this them. to tell us back a little bit about your recollections. as she had lunch with him _ about your recollections. as she had lunch with him as _ about your recollections. as she had lunch with him as a _ about your recollections. as she had lunch with him as a restaurant i about your recollections. as she had lunch with him as a restaurant in i lunch with him as a restaurant in central london, the very day before his suspension. you just come back from presenting a live coverage of a royal event in edinburgh and he was in high spirits. we had a lunch and he drank quite a lot. i said goodbye to him on the street, he went off to

see his tire maker, i went back to my home in oxford and of course, when the news of a mystery bbc presenter be suspended, it was announced the next day, i had no idea, i did not have any inkling that it was huw edwards. ihla idea, i did not have any inkling that it was huw edwards. no inkling. it must have — that it was huw edwards. no inkling. it must have come _ that it was huw edwards. no inkling. it must have come as _ that it was huw edwards. no inkling. it must have come as a _ that it was huw edwards. no inkling. it must have come as a shock. it came as a huge shock and disbelief and it is one of those members is a genus, where you wonder after thousands were interviewed, how would a judge a character i am. it is still shocking to me i am that you could hide his real personality not only from people like me, but from all the viewers, from your colleagues, from his family, but properly from himself as well. i think it was a deeply divided and troubled man and although, my sympathies are for the victims of this crime, the young people and

children who were exploited by the pornographers, i would children who were exploited by the pornographers, iwould not children who were exploited by the pornographers, i would not be human and a genderless if i do not wonder what had led to this disgraceful day in court —— but i would not to be a journalist if i did not wonder what had led to this disgraceful day in court. this had led to this disgraceful day in court. �* , , ., had led to this disgraceful day in court. m ., . had led to this disgraceful day in court. a .,. had led to this disgraceful day in court. m ., . , had led to this disgraceful day in court. as you touch upon, rightly on the victims, — court. as you touch upon, rightly on the victims, these _ court. as you touch upon, rightly on the victims, these images _ the victims, these images perpetuates the crimes that these such younger children have experience, we must focus on them of course when we talk about the downfall of someone whose career is enchanted. ~ ., , ,., , downfall of someone whose career is enchanted— -- - enchanted. well, absolutely. -- someone _ enchanted. well, absolutely. -- someone whose _ enchanted. well, absolutely. -- someone whose career- enchanted. well, absolutely. -- someone whose career is i enchanted. well, absolutely. -- someone whose career is in i enchanted. well, absolutely. -- i someone whose career is in shatters. i can't get that out of my mind. and a personal level, ijust try and understand he who huw edwards was and also, in a professional cv

watcher, some who has always been interested for what it means for our idea of an anchorman who embodies the authority and weight of of a broadcasting organisation. obviously, without making any excuses whatsoever about what has happened, just talk us through that kind of weight that people who are given in this was a possibility you say, this huge responsibility, which that has on them. in say, this huge responsibility, which that has on them.— say, this huge responsibility, which that has on them. in the instance of huw edwards. _ that has on them. in the instance of huw edwards, who _ that has on them. in the instance of huw edwards, who had _ that has on them. in the instance of huw edwards, who had lunch i that has on them. in the instance of huw edwards, who had lunch with i huw edwards, who had lunch with twice and on both occasions, he drank a lot, this is a man who had such authority in the studio, seem to be in such control. when i met him on both those occasions, he exhibited what is man would call paranoia about his position as the chief anchor of the bbc, whether he would be allowed to keep doing it.

he was very critical, he was very unpleasant frankly to a number of his colleagues, not all of them, those who saw as his rivals. he seemed... it was funny, he was a great talker, he made me laugh, he was charismatic and hospitable. he would be both lunches at his insistence by the very fact that he was talking in this ungodly way to a journalist, who might have used it against him, and he was drinking so much at the end of his first lunch just opposite where we are now in a motel restaurant, we must have gotten through i use a bottle of champagne and i said i've got to go. and he said i would go because i'm doing the ten o'clock tonight. i could not believe that he is going to anchor the use as net, and i said we'll be all right. and i said we'll be all right? and i said i will have

the pints of water and espresso. and