they are now at the conference in liverpool. there has been a lot in the run—up to this conference. the freebies, hospitality. is this the celebratory moment of labour in

power? celebratory moment of labour in ower? . , ., ., power? ultimately, we are at the labour — power? ultimately, we are at the labour party. _ power? ultimately, we are at the labour party. society - the labour party. society always expects even more of us. we preach socialjustice for all. we preach equality for all. we preach equality for all. we preach equality for all. we always bring out a wide range of social changes which benefit more people. a lot is expected of us. the chancellor is giving her speech today and has said this morning there will not be a return to austerity. will not be a return to austerity-— will not be a return to austerity. will not be a return to austeri . , , ., austerity. there is still no clarity ahead _ austerity. there is still no clarity ahead of— austerity. there is still no clarity ahead of the - austerity. there is still no | clarity ahead of the budget austerity. there is still no - clarity ahead of the budget on spending limits, specific taxes. you convinced when says there will not be a return to austerity. there will not be a return to austerity-— there will not be a return to austeri ., ~ ., , ., austerity. she knows what the labour movement _ austerity. she knows what the labour movement would - austerity. she knows what the labour movement would think| austerity. she knows what the i labour movement would think if we return to austerity.

we have to remember that the budget is coming up so that necessarily she would give it all away in this speech. it is positive she is saying that there will not be austerity because that would be met with a huge amount of backlash. we know for example the unions are pushing at conference to try and get that reversed. was it the right decision to cut that payments? i the right decision to cut that payments?— the right decision to cut that -a ments? ., �* ~ .,, payments? i don't think it was. i understand — payments? i don't think it was. i understand some _ payments? i don't think it was. i understand some of _ payments? i don't think it was. i understand some of the - i understand some of the arguments that people have made but ultimately will be in the situation with the cost of living crisis it is really hurting pensioners. i don't think was the right decision to make. i'm hoping in budget there will be things to offset that. if it was going to be made, maybe we could have made it round the budget row we could have explain some of these things a bit of these things would have offset that. i think it was the wrong timing

and definitely the wrong thing to cut. ., , , and definitely the wrong thing tocut. ., , , to cut. your party is in power for the first _ to cut. your party is in power for the first time _ to cut. your party is in power for the first time in _ to cut. your party is in power for the first time in 14 - to cut. your party is in power for the first time in 14 years, | for the first time in 14 years, the first conference in power in 15 years, a labour prime minister and chancellor. are they listening to this conference and the message that are coming from the party members, the activists and members, the activists and members who are here? i members who are here? i certainly hope so. you members who are here? i certainly hope so. you will hear more from delegates themselves, from the motions that are coming forward. as a democratic party we have these motions for a reason, they are meant to guide the front bench. i think a lot of banks have been listened to. it was great hearing angela rayner talk about ending fire and rehire. a new dealfor workers. some about ending fire and rehire. a new deal for workers. some of the foreign—policy stuff was brilliant, too. bringing back international development something in the way that it was before. people always expect more of a labour

government so it is positive that we heard about what is happening in terms of the middle east, we have been clear about a ceasefire. we have suspended 30 of the 350 arms export licences but people want to see that across the board. we can't have uk weapons being complicit to what is happening in gaza. ., ., ~' complicit to what is happening in gaza. ., ., ~ ., in gaza. you would like a complete _ in gaza. you would like a complete ban? _ in gaza. you would like a complete ban? yes, - in gaza. you would like a | complete ban? yes, until in gaza. you would like a - complete ban? yes, untilthere is a ceasefire. _ complete ban? yes, untilthere is a ceasefire. whilst _ complete ban? yes, untilthere is a ceasefire. whilst this - is a ceasefire. whilst this conference is going on last year everything started to happen, the 7th of october. we were here in liverpool. since then we have seen people being killed, children being killed in gas and indiscriminate way. the hostages, many of them have not been returned home. the only way that we are going to bring about a just and lasting peaceis bring about a just and lasting peace is starting with the

ceasefire and ending with what we heard yesterday, moving towards a situation where palestine and israel have secure and independent states. thank you very much. all eyes to on the chancellor's speech, she takes to the stage at about 12 o'clock and then tomorrow the big ticket item is the prime minister himself, sir keir starmer. we will bring you the chance's speech live at midday. a number of crimes... a bbc investigation has found that the number of crimes logged by police which involve reference to swords, machetes or so—called zombie knives has almost doubled in five years. the figures were revealed ahead of ban on certain weapons which comes into force across england and wales tomorrow.

if you've got a bigger weapon, you've got more of a chance. the knives are getting larger. all right. boys, enough, boys. devastating weapons. it was a sword. with deadly consequences. is that what went through my child's heart? there's a new ban on zombie knives and some machetes. these are used to intimidate. they used to harm, injure, kill. there's no other reason they're made. farren was almost stabbed to death twice. now he's taking weapons from teenage hands. so in the six years that i've been collecting weapons via amnesty, i've personally seen the weapons are getting bigger and we're getting more to the type of zeke and zombie style knives.

like 15 inches upwards. i get calls from all around the uk like three or four a day right now. really? every day? yeah, it's there every day. a young man in south london wants to hand over a pair of machetes. you see my guy? you're good. you're gonna put it down. show me. he says he bought these online when he was 19. why have you got weapons like that? i bought them to protect myself a while ago, after i got attacked and kidnapped and made to die. some machetes are being banned.

he had no enemies. he didn't do anything wrong. he didn't carry a knife. the kanderfamilies felt the worst impact. there was the last moment i see my my son. i live for that moment. i dedicate my life to my son. sorry. this is ronan, about to be mistaken for someone else, and attacked by two teenagers carrying swords they'd bought online with fake id. iam i am shocked that they were available. i'm shocked that there are still available after what happened to ronan. it is

about the _ what happened to ronan. it is about the culture. _ what happened to ronan. it is about the culture. it - what happened to ronan. it is about the culture. it is not just a weapon, it is a fashion piece. the number of zombie knives has increased by five times in their in robbery, assault, stalking, harassment. last year 23 people were killed using one of his bigger weapons. it is 23 people were killed using one of his bigger weapons.- of his bigger weapons. it is so accessible. — of his bigger weapons. it is so accessible, and _ of his bigger weapons. it is so accessible, and so _ of his bigger weapons. it is so accessible, and so cheap. - of his bigger weapons. it is so l accessible, and so cheap. baron seized a day _ accessible, and so cheap. baron seized a day in _ accessible, and so cheap. baron seized a day in and _ accessible, and so cheap. baron seized a day in and day - accessible, and so cheap. baron seized a day in and day out, - seized a day in and day out, larger weapons for younger people. larger weapons for younger --eole. . larger weapons for younger eo le, ., ., , larger weapons for younger neale, ., .,, ., larger weapons for younger n-eole. . ., . people. that was from a younger erson. people. that was from a younger person- how _ people. that was from a younger person. how old? _ people. that was from a younger person. how old? 15, _ people. that was from a younger person. how old? 15, 16. - person. how old? 15, 16. another— person. how old? 15, 16. another call, _ person. how old? 15, 16. another call, another - person. how old? 15, 16. l another call, another night person. how old? 15, 16. - another call, another night to collect. 20—year—old who has carried weapon childhood. i got

a rambo knife _ carried weapon childhood. i got a rambo knife and _ carried weapon childhood. i got a rambo knife and i— carried weapon childhood. i got a rambo knife and i was- carried weapon childhood. i got a rambo knife and i was about 16. ~ , ., a rambo knife and i was about 16.~ , ., ., 16. why would you have something _ 16. why would you have something like - 16. why would you have something like that? i 16. why would you have - something like that? everyone feels that they _ something like that? everyone feels that they need _ something like that? everyone feels that they need to - something like that? everyone feels that they need to walk i feels that they need to walk around _ feels that they need to walk around with them, they are scared _ around with them, they are scared. people get chopped up, they get— scared. people get chopped up, they get hurt. where'd you get from _ they get hurt. where'd you get from friends, from online, they -et from friends, from online, they get delivered to your house like — get delivered to your house like it— get delivered to your house like it takeaway. if my knife is bigger— like it takeaway. if my knife is bigger than them and going to win — is bigger than them and going to win. he is bigger than them and going to win. , ., ., , ., to win. he is now ready to leave that _ to win. he is now ready to leave that lie. _ to win. he is now ready to leave that lie. he - to win. he is now ready to leave that lie. he grew. to win. he is now ready to | leave that lie. he grew up, don't you? _ leave that lie. he grew up, don't you? i— leave that lie. he grew up, don't you? i realise - leave that lie. he grew up, don't you? i realise that i leave that lie. he grew up, | don't you? i realise that he ain't— don't you? i realise that he ain't worth it. i've lost pecule _ ain't worth it. i've lost people-— ain't worth it. i've lost --eole. ., ., . people. barron enhanced the wea ons people. barron enhanced the weapons to _ people. barron enhanced the weapons to police _ people. barron enhanced the weapons to police or - people. barron enhanced the weapons to police or drops i people. barron enhanced the i weapons to police or drops them into knife bins. but there is a problem. itjust won't into knife bins. but there is a problem. it just won't fit.

into knife bins. but there is a problem. itjust won't fit. so what is your only option with that? , ., ., , that? this will have to be physically _ that? this will have to be physically taken - that? this will have to be physically taken to i that? this will have to be physically taken to the i that? this will have to be i physically taken to the police station and given over the counter. it station and given over the counter-— station and given over the counter. , _ . ., counter. it is symbolic of the challenge- — the biggest threat i see is the online space. the laws also struggled to keep up. this is not the first attempt to ban zombie knives. manufacturers are quite cleverly got around the design and so like everything and laws are iterative, aren't they? they have to adapt. and of course it needed to change. why will this ban be any different? well, it will have an impact. i can't say it will be the end of the of the issue because it clearly won't. so you can see further legislation. yeah. quite possibly. yeah. the reality is these weapons aren't covered by the new ban. neither are the swords used to kill ronin kanda.

i can't have that happen to another child, ijust i can't have that happen to another child, i just can't. the band means farren's days are getting longer. he is back from another collection. how long was the person —— how old was the person? �*ib. long was the person -- how old was the person?— was the person? 18. this is the ical was the person? 18. this is the typical thing- — was the person? 18. this is the typical thing. these _ was the person? 18. this is the typical thing. these are - was the person? 18. this is the typical thing. these are the i typical thing. these are the designer now is that people are drawn to. ., ., , ., designer now is that people are drawn to. ., . , ., , drawn to. how many more lives have to go _ drawn to. how many more lives have to go before _ drawn to. how many more lives have to go before they - drawn to. how many more lives have to go before they can i drawn to. how many more lives have to go before they can ban| have to go before they can ban these — have to go before they can ban these things and see the danger of these — these things and see the danger of these weapons? the government's now reviewing online sales of these weapons. it describes knife crime as an epidemic. earlier on i spoke to anthony 0laseinde. he's the founder of the anti—knife crime charity always an alternative. he told us a bit about what

the ban is and what difference he thinks it'll make. i'm hoping that the band will make a significant difference. um, it's for zombie style knives and zombie style machetes, which are, um, created to do nothing other than cause damage and scare people. 0ne guest we were talking to earlier was saying pointing out that actually, if you ban the zombie knives, people can still use kitchen knives. what sort of things do you think need to happen to make sure that the culture of knife crime doesn't continue? i think to tackle the culture, we need to be looking at the people. a knife, like a kitchen knife or a machete, which are used by tree surgeons, you know, it can either be used for good as a tool or for bad as a weapon. it's the person that decides how it's used. take, for instance, a lighter. you know, normal people might use it to light a candle. however, there are people that

use them to light house fires. you know, it's all on the person. we need to forget about the weapon and look at the person and focus on their mindset and give them the understanding that actually what you're doing is quite dangerous and it can change your life for the worst, and somebody else's. and when you talk to young people, what do you tell them? what sort of things do you say to say? the title of your charity is always an alternative. how do you explain that to them or sell it to them. so we we we try and drill down on the core factors, you know, the underlying issues. so we teach them around conflict. and, you know, you don't have to be the bigger person. you don't have to fight. you don't have to, you know, do these things that you feel you do growing up. it's you as a person. you've got a very long life ahead of you. be careful of the decisions that you make now because they will affect you if it's a wrong one for many, many years to come. tell us about the people you've talked to. i mean, do they realise the impact of what the knife crime can be on people's lives?

well, they've got no idea. you know, when i go and do talks, a lot of young people don't realise that having a knife in public is illegal. i remember about five or six years ago, and i did my first talk and i told the group of young people like, you can't actually have them. it's illegal. they was all looking at each other. a few of them had to go to the toilet all of a sudden, and it's just crazy. i think that as adults we understand the severity and we understand what could happen, but young people don't. for example, when i was younger, i used to climb trees. you know, if i fall off, ifall off. now, i wouldn't climb up a tree because i understand that if i fall off, i won't be able to work for a couple of weeks. so it's just that understanding and letting them know that, you know, supporting them to make the right decisions. heavy rain has caused flash flooding in parts of england prompting road closures overnight. these pictures show parts of bedfordshire