is the first conference for a - is the first conference for a labour _ - is the first conference for a labour party - . is the first conference for a labour party for- - is the first conference for a labour party for 15 i for a labour party for 15 years, you would imagine it was walter well celebration has that been the mode? people are worried that _ that been the mode? people are worried that the _ that been the mode? people are worried that the labour - worried that the labour government made a great start in other— government made a great start in other issues, there is a danger— in other issues, there is a danger they may listen to the voices— danger they may listen to the voices of— danger they may listen to the voices of the media and others who— voices of the media and others who won — voices of the media and others who won us to balance the books on the _ who won us to balance the books on the backs of the tourist. my constituents have had enough tough — constituents have had enough tough choices at their expense, they— tough choices at their expense, they have — tough choices at their expense, they have been struggling for 14 years _ they have been struggling for 14 years with the conservatives. there is a different way forward and the government should rethink on this _ government should rethink on this we — government should rethink on this. we are delighted to get rid of— this. we are delighted to get rid of the tories, we have to make — rid of the tories, we have to make sure _ rid of the tories, we have to make sure now we are in government, we transform things, — government, we transform things, when it comes to living standards— things, when it comes to living standards including for pensioners.— standards including for pensioners. standards including for ensioners. ~ . . pensioners. what about the argument — pensioners. what about the argument about _ pensioners. what about the argument about the - pensioners. what about the i argument about the economic inheritance they have been left with? we heard it from keir starmer, there are going to have to be tough choices, their ambition is to stabilise the economy and get it growing and everyone ultimately will feel better off in the long run.

they claim they have not got much choice but to make the decisions they currently have. there is a choice, i heard a colleague _ there is a choice, i heard a colleague implying a few weeks a-o colleague implying a few weeks ago they would be run on the pound — ago they would be run on the pound if— ago they would be run on the pound if they don't take £300 from — pound if they don't take £300 from pensioners in my constituency, is not right. there _ constituency, is not right. there are _ constituency, is not right. there are choices that can be made — there are choices that can be made the _ there are choices that can be made. the tough choice that can be made. the tough choice that can he made — made. the tough choice that can be made could be to equalise income — be made could be to equalise income tax and capital gains tax, _ income tax and capital gains tax. to— income tax and capital gains tax, to have a wealth tax of 2% of those — tax, to have a wealth tax of 2% of those with assets of £10 mitiiorr _ of those with assets of £10 million. that would raise billions _ million. that would raise billions of pounds in excess of this measure. as keir starmer said, _ this measure. as keir starmer said, those with the broad shoulders should bear their fair share in relation to theirs _ fair share in relation to theirs. 1.6 million pensioners living — theirs.1.6 million pensioners living in— theirs. 1.6 million pensioners living in poverty who will lose their— living in poverty who will lose their winter fuel allowance are not those _ their winter fuel allowance are not those with the broadest shoulders. they want something different— shoulders. they want something different from a labour government, it is not too late and _ government, it is not too late and the — government, it is not too late and the leadership can change tack— and the leadership can change tack on — and the leadership can change tack on this.— tack on this. labour mp, had the whip _ tack on this. labour mp, had the whip suspended - tack on this. labour mp, had the whip suspended over - tack on this. labour mp, had the whip suspended over his|

the whip suspended over his stance on the to child benefit cap, urging the government to change its mind on the cut to the winter fuel payment. we are expecting that vote in the next few minutes, it is not binding but it would send a very clear message to government. they work and pensions secretary address this issue about the winter fuel payment in her speech which was the last beat from a cabinet minister at the party conference. let's have a listen to what she had to say. focusing winter fuel payments of the — focusing winter fuel payments of the poorest pensioners was not a — of the poorest pensioners was not a decision we wanted or expected _ not a decision we wanted or expected to make. but when we promised — expected to make. but when we promised we could be trusted with— promised we could be trusted with taxpayers money, we meant it. with taxpayers money, we meant it and _ with taxpayers money, we meant it. and when we were faced with a it. and when we were faced with 6 £22 _ it. and when we were faced with a £22 billion black hole which the tories left this year, we had — the tories left this year, we had to— the tories left this year, we had to act. because we know what — had to act. because we know what happened when liz truss played — what happened when liz truss played fast and loose with

public _ played fast and loose with public finances. it was working people — public finances. it was working people and pensioners on fixed incomes— people and pensioners on fixed incomes who paid the highest price — price. applause that is why we took what i know is a difficult decision. but _ is a difficult decision. but let— is a difficult decision. but let me tell you, this labour— but let me tell you, this labour government has done more to help _ labour government has done more to help the — labour government has done more to help the poorest pensioners in the — to help the poorest pensioners in the last two months than the tories — in the last two months than the tories that in 14 years. applause the work and pensions secretary giving her speech to the conference and explaining that the government from its perspective did not want to make this decision on their winter fuel payment cut back the claim because of the public finances, they had no choice. it is worth saying that the conservatives dispute that claim about the black hole in the public finances. this has been one of the issues that has been one of the issues that has been bubbling away throughout this labour party conference,

contact —— causing real concern in some quarters as we have explained. there is a vote on this issue in the next few minutes. the general secretary of unite the union has been pushing this issue to the fore over the last few days, she has been talking at the conference and she was given a huge cheer when she criticised the government stance on these winter fuel payment cuts. we can hear what she had to say. there is a really serious point here — there is a really serious point here that _ there is a really serious point here that the government need to putt— here that the government need to pull back from what they are doing _ to pull back from what they are doing on— to pull back from what they are doing on the winter fuel allowance. there are picking the pockets of pensioners and they— the pockets of pensioners and they should not do that, the need — they should not do that, the need to— they should not do that, the need to reverse. if this flaw looks— need to reverse. if this flaw looks like the rest of society, if it has — looks like the rest of society, if it has got the same feeling and anger as if it has got the same feeling and angeras the if it has got the same feeling and anger as the rest of society, _ and anger as the rest of society, i do not know whether we are — society, i do not know whether we are going to win but we are going — we are going to win but we are going to — we are going to win but we are going to take it to vote. the reneral going to take it to vote. the general secretary _ going to take it to vote. the general secretary of - going to take it to vote. tue: general secretary of unite, referencing the vote which is going to take place in the next few minutes here. i will not be a binding vote on the government, it will not force the government to shift its

position but if the conference votes against that decision to cut their winter fuel payment, it will send a very clear message to ministers. so far, though, as you have heard, there is no sign are going to budge. we will keep you updated with all the developments from that vote which we are expecting eminently in the last hour or so of this labour party conference here in liverpool. now back to you.— conference here in liverpool. now back to you. thank you very much, now back to you. thank you very much. we _ now back to you. thank you very much. we will — now back to you. thank you very much, we will go _ now back to you. thank you very much, we will go back— now back to you. thank you very much, we will go back to - now back to you. thank you very much, we will go back to alex i much, we will go back to alex and the final moment of the labour party conference as soon as that vote starts. let's take as that vote starts. let's take a look at the weather now. hello again. we have just had the coldest night since late april in the uk. temperatures in braemarfell away to minus three, with a touch of frost. today and tomorrow we are looking at further spells of rain. friday and into the weekend it is going to turn colder, but it will be drier. however, later on sunday into monday and tuesday there is the potentialfor some wet and windy conditions coming our way. but today it is this area of low pressure,

with its attendant fronts, bringing in more rain from the south—west, pushing north—eastwards, as we go through the rest of the day, with cloud developing ahead of them. for northern ireland, northern england before the cloud arrives in scotland, there are a few showers but bright skies, and also across northern scotland a chilly northerly wind, with temperatures here, ten to 11 degrees, but generally we are looking at 13 to about 16 degrees. into this evening and overnight, ourfirst band of rain pushes northwards, and then another one comes in from the south—west, this one too pretty lively. you could hear a little grumble of thunder coming from that. where we have clear skies and sheltered glens, tonight temperatures could fall away to three or four degrees, but most of us will be in high single figures or low double figures. tomorrow our bands of rain merge, slow—moving as well, and they are moving over areas where the ground is already saturated. now to the south of this, we are looking at a return

to bright spells of sunshine and showers, and to the north of it, still that cold wind, a few showers and drier. temperatures ii to about 17 degrees. and it is after that you will notice a change in the temperature, as the cold air, this northerly wind filters across the country, so temperatures will be lower, and then when you add on the wind chill it will feel pretty nippy, and the rain itself will take its time to pull away from the south, particularly the south—east and east anglia. behind it a lot of dry weather and a few showers, some could be wintry on the highest peaks of the grampians for example. temperatures nine to about 14 or 15 degrees, so temperatures below average for this time out of year. then moving on, into the weekend, it does turn colder, it will be largely dry, though there will be some rain at times on saturday in the north—west, and then we have the risk of the wet and windy weather at the end of the weekend.

you are with bbc news. we are going to return to what is going to return to what is going on in liverpool, the final minutes, the final hour of the labour party conference while we wait for a vote on the winterfuel while we wait for a vote on the winter fuel allowance. being means tested. that controversial decision still attracting a lot of criticism, but there will be a vote about it among delegates at the conference there in liverpool. it is a non—binding vote on whether to reverse the government's decision to means test winter fuel payments and make them available only to pensioners who receive pension credit. you may remember that despite some disquiet among labour mps and the opposition from the other parties in parliament, the government wasn't its fault a fortnight ago to implement that. by a majority of 120. we will see what happens on the floor of

the conference and how that translates. but it is non—binding. while we wait for that, let's tell you a little bit about what has been happening in the last couple of hours at the labour party conference in liverpool. we have heard from all the cabinet ministers who have been scheduled to speak now, one of them was the health secretary, he insisted he would not back down from his claim that the nhs is broken. that is despite the bbc reporting growing unease about the government's messaging. i unease about the government's messaging-— messaging. i will not back down. messaging. i will not back down- the _ messaging. i will not back down. the nhs _ messaging. i will not back down. the nhs is - messaging. i will not back down. the nhs is broken. messaging. i will not back- down. the nhs is broken. but it is not beaten and together, we will turn it around. applause make no mistake, the tories had a plan for the nhs, mismanaged the client. a status quo so poor people are forced to raid their savings to

go private. the crisis about that seven in ten people now expect charges for nhs care to be introduced. i have said before, i will say it again. 0ver my dead body. we will always defend our nhs as a public service. free at the point of use so that whenever you fall ill, you never have to worry about the bill.- you fall ill, you never have to worry about the bill. that was one hour _ worry about the bill. that was one hour ago _ worry about the bill. that was one hour ago at _ worry about the bill. that was one hour ago at the _ worry about the bill. that was | one hour ago at the conference in liverpool. and as we wait for that vote, over the winter fuel allowance, and that being taken away from pensioners who are not on pension credit, we will also go through what the prime minister has been saying about labour's decision to scrap the winter fuel support for millions of pensioners. he was speaking to my colleague, sally nugent. i

was speaking to my colleague, sally nugent— sally nugent. i wonder if one da ou sally nugent. i wonder if one day you might _ sally nugent. i wonder if one day you might regret - day you might regret the decision to take away the winter fuel allowance from 10 million pensioners.— winter fuel allowance from 10 million pensioners. first thing to sa , i million pensioners. first thing to say, i understand _ million pensioners. first thing to say, i understand why - million pensioners. first thing l to say, i understand why people are concerned, why did we even have _ are concerned, why did we even have to — are concerned, why did we even have to make this decision? and the answer— have to make this decision? and the answer to that is because we knew— the answer to that is because we knew we were inheriting a bad economy, but when we audited _ bad economy, but when we audited the book, we found a £22 billion black hole and accounted for by the last off the books. we have got to fix that— the books. we have got to fix that this _ the books. we have got to fix that this year. we are not going _ that this year. we are not going to _ that this year. we are not going to pretend the problem isn't — going to pretend the problem isn't there. we have got to take — isn't there. we have got to take really difficult decisions. but the purpose of fixing — decisions. but the purpose of fixing it — decisions. but the purpose of fixing it is _ decisions. but the purpose of fixing it is to stabilise the economy. that means that we can and do _ economy. that means that we can and do commit to the triple loch— and do commit to the triple lock which means that for pensioners, they have had a £900 — pensioners, they have had a £900 increase this year, they will have _ £900 increase this year, they will have a projected 400 60p next _ will have a projected 400 60p next year. and we will keep to the triple _ next year. and we will keep to the triple lock because they are stabilising the economy and that means that pensioners,

every— that means that pensioners, every pensioner as i said in my speech, — every pensioner as i said in my speech, will be better off with a labour— speech, will be better off with a labour government. these are difficult — a labour government. these are difficult decisions. equally, as you _ difficult decisions. equally, as you would expect, we are getting — as you would expect, we are getting as many pensioners as possible — getting as many pensioners as possible onto pension credit which — possible onto pension credit which means they are guaranteed the winter fuel payments and many— the winter fuel payments and many more have now got pension credit~ _ many more have now got pension credit~ that— many more have now got pension credit. that a very good thing to ensure _ credit. that a very good thing to ensure they have got the protection they need and the allowance which will go towards their— allowance which will go towards their winter fuel. allowance which will go towards theirwinterfuel. some allowance which will go towards their winter fuel. some 20 every— their winter fuel. some 20 every pensioner will get the uplift — every pensioner will get the uplift you describe, not everyone is eligible for it. let's _ everyone is eligible for it. let's talk about this winter, shatt— let's talk about this winter, shall we? _ let's talk about this winter, shall we? in terms of this winter. _ shall we? in terms of this winter, they will not be getting that, they would not -et getting that, they would not get it— getting that, they would not get it anyway until next year. what — get it anyway until next year. what is — get it anyway until next year. what is your message to people, many— what is your message to people, many pensioners who will watch bbc who — many pensioners who will watch bbc who are frightened about paying — bbc who are frightened about paying their fuel bills this winter~ _ paying their fuel bills this winter. they are frightened to put the — winter. they are frightened to put the heating on. my message as we _ put the heating on. my message as we will— put the heating on. my message as we will protect pensioners who— as we will protect pensioners who need protection through pension— who need protection through pension credit, we will make sure — pension credit, we will make sure we _ pension credit, we will make sure we stabilise the economy, every— sure we stabilise the economy, every pensioner watching this,

they— every pensioner watching this, they have _ every pensioner watching this, they have my assurance that they— they have my assurance that they will— they have my assurance that they will be better off year—on—year because we will stick— year—on—year because we will stick to— year—on—year because we will stick to the triple lock to make _ stick to the triple lock to make sure their pension is raised _ make sure their pension is raised in _ make sure their pension is raised in accordance with the triple — raised in accordance with the triple lock so they get more money— triple lock so they get more money in _ triple lock so they get more money in their pocket. i think many— money in their pocket. i think many pensioners watching this will many pensioners watching this wiii say— many pensioners watching this will say i — many pensioners watching this will say i need the nhs fixed. many— will say i need the nhs fixed. many pensioners will be relying on the — many pensioners will be relying on the nhs, may be waiting for operations. and we are fixing that — operations. and we are fixing that. many pensioners will say, as they— that. many pensioners will say, as they do _ that. many pensioners will say, as they do to me, i used the bus, _ as they do to me, i used the bus, i— as they do to me, i used the bus, iwant— as they do to me, i used the bus, i want you to fix public transport _ bus, i want you to fix public transport. having more regional control— transport. having more regional control of— transport. having more regional control of rich that the use of the can— control of rich that the use of the can get from one place another, _ the can get from one place another, and fixed fares. they're _ another, and fixed fares. they're really things for pensioners. many pensioners will also _ pensioners. many pensioners will also say to me as they have — will also say to me as they have done, i want my grandchildren to be able to only— grandchildren to be able to only house, you have to fix that — only house, you have to fix that as _ only house, you have to fix that as well. all of those things— that as well. all of those things are being done for the whole — things are being done for the whole country, and that includes pensioners. the prime minister was _ includes pensioners. the prime minister was also _ includes pensioners. the prime minister was also asked - includes pensioners. the prime minister was also asked about | minister was also asked about donations, saying all of his

donations, saying all of his donations were transparent. talking about the previous government, do you accept that they made some mistakes when accepting gifts from donors? and when you reflect on your own acceptance of gifts from donors, do you think maybe now that wasn't the best thing to do, thinking about clothes? mr; do, thinking about clothes? my criticism of the last government was about declarations, whether they were being _ declarations, whether they were being transparent. everything i have _ being transparent. everything i have done is transparent. it is all in — have done is transparent. it is all in accordance... for people who read _ all in accordance... for people who read the _ all in accordance... for people who read the headlines, - all in accordance... for people who read the headlines, they. who read the headlines, they don't make that difference. lia don't make that difference. ua directories is, i understand, i understand why people look in and say— understand why people look in and say hang on, i've got questions. in relation to close. _ questions. in relation to close. in— questions. in relation to close, in opposition, you charge _ close, in opposition, you charge around the country, focused _ charge around the country, focused on winning the election, many people say i can come _ election, many people say i can come forward and help you and in some — come forward and help you and in some cases donate toward some — in some cases donate toward some close so you don't have to worry about than you can get on with— worry about than you can get on with what— worry about than you can get on with what you have to get on

with — with what you have to get on with in_ with what you have to get on with. in opposition, that is one — with. in opposition, that is one thing, and government, it is another~ _ one thing, and government, it is another. you will not be seen — is another. you will not be seen declarations of me in relation _ seen declarations of me in relation to close again. other issues — relation to close again. other issues are _ relation to close again. other issues are different. i have got — issues are different. i have got season tickets at arsenal, i got season tickets at arsenal, | -o got season tickets at arsenal, i go with— got season tickets at arsenal, i go with my son, we pay for the — i go with my son, we pay for the tickets. for security reasons _ the tickets. for security reasons now, i cannot sit in the — reasons now, i cannot sit in the stands. therefore, the club have _ the stands. therefore, the club have said — the stands. therefore, the club have said you can be our guest in the — have said you can be our guest in the directors box. it does not — in the directors box. it does not cost _ in the directors box. it does not cost the taxpayer anything. there _ not cost the taxpayer anything. there are — not cost the taxpayer anything. there are not to get you can buy. _ there are not to get you can buy. a — there are not to get you can buy. a nominal sum is given to them, — buy. a nominal sum is given to them, what _ buy. a nominal sum is given to them, what would be the worse if you _ them, what would be the worse if you could buy them even though— if you could buy them even though you can't? and that is declared _ though you can't? and that is declared properly.— declared properly. should ministers _ declared properly. should ministers be _ declared properly. should ministers be going - declared properly. should ministers be going to - declared properly. should| ministers be going to jolie declared properly. should i ministers be going to jolie is ministers be going tojolie is paid by big business? ministers be going to jolie is paid by big business?- ministers be going to jolie is paid by big business? every mp, labour or paid by big business? every mp, labour or any — paid by big business? every mp, labour or any party _ paid by big business? every mp, labour or any party has - paid by big business? every mp, labour or any party has to i labour or any party has to exercise _ labour or any party has to exercise judgment and i would expect— exercise judgment and i would expect them to exercise judgment in relation to any of these — judgment in relation to any of these issues. of course, declare _ these issues. of course, declare in accordance with the rules— declare in accordance with the rules in— declare in accordance with the rules in thing they have received. that is really

important. is received. that is really important.— received. that is really important. received. that is really imortant. , . important. is it time to change the culture _ important. is it time to change the culture of—