margaret brennan. with just over four weeks left until election day, and early voting already underway in several states, the stakes are high. as kamala harris and donald trump's running mates make their case to the american people. so, who are the candidates? jd vance is the republican nominee, running alongside donald trump. he's a us senator from ohio, elected in 2022 — he previously worked as a venture capitalist. he first came to prominence for his 2016 memoirs hillbilly elegy, about social and economic decay in his native kentucky. he enlisted in the us marine corps from 2003 to 2007, serving as a military journalist. he turned a0 years old in august. if elected, he'd be the third—youngest vice president in american history.

0n the democratic side, is tim walz, kamala harris�*s running mate. he's the governor of minnesota. before that, he spent 12 years as a congressman. before entering politics, he was a high school teacher for 16 years, serving as an assistant coach on his school's football team. he spent 2a years in the army reserves, reaching the highest non—commissioned rank, command sergeant major. he's 60 years old, just six months older than his running—mate, kamala harris. joining me now form the spin room floor is our correspondent john sudworth. the clock is ticking. what is going on with tim walz. joining me now is jaime harrison, chair of the democratic party. how is governor tim walz? he's a good place but i want to say my heart goes out to all the folks in south carolina, georgia, tennessee impacted by

the i live in south carolina and in these times of trouble we have to rally together as one country to support our brothers and sisters who are experiencing so much pain right now. �* ,, , ~ , now. cbs news keeping the questions — now. cbs news keeping the questions close _ now. cbs news keeping the questions close to - now. cbs news keeping the questions close to its - now. cbs news keeping the questions close to its chest| questions close to its chest tonight. do you think that issue will be one that gets a lot of attention, the natural disasters and how they are handled? it disasters and how they are handled?— disasters and how they are handled? . , ., handled? it may. one of the stark contrast _ handled? it may. one of the stark contrast between - handled? it may. one of the stark contrast between the l stark contrast between the parties is donald trump and jd vance's projects 2025 talks about privatising the federal agency that tracks storms and gives us alerts and what have you. that should not be a function of the private sector. it needs to remain part of the government, because how do you privatise or monetise services that alert us in terms of

dangers. that's one of many things that they want to do in terms of gutting the federal government, gutting the safety net we have in this country. speaking about tim walz specifically, what does he hope to achieve tonight and who is he trying to speak to? tim walz is ureat he trying to speak to? tim walz is great because _ he trying to speak to? tim walz is great because he _ he trying to speak to? tim walz is great because he speaks - he trying to speak to? tim walz is great because he speaks to i is great because he speaks to the everyday person. he is like that favourite uncle you have that favourite uncle you have that you always want to go and hell have a funny story and they will give you some type of wisdom that you go off and do better with because of it. that is what we are going to see on the debate change. this guy who understands the importance of policy. look at what he has donein policy. look at what he has done in minnesota. he knew there were kids going to school who are not being fed and were going to school hungry so he made sure that all students in that state can now have lunch and breakfast so they can do their work and go to school and

be productive. this is a guy that saw donald trump gutting roe versus wade and knew he had to step in and protect reproductive freedom for women so he went in to make sure that women in minnesota have the right to control their own bodies. ., , right to control their own bodies. .,, . right to control their own bodies. ., ,, , ., bodies. those are issues that the republican _ bodies. those are issues that the republican party- bodies. those are issues that the republican party used - bodies. those are issues that the republican party used to | the republican party used to label him as an extreme liberal. ~ . v label him as an extreme liberal. ~ . �*, ., liberal. what's extreme about makinu liberal. what's extreme about making sure _ liberal. what's extreme about making sure kids _ liberal. what's extreme about making sure kids can - liberal. what's extreme about making sure kids can eat? - liberal. what's extreme about l making sure kids can eat? what is extreme about having women control their own bodies? men can control their own bodies and donald trump can do whatever he wants with his body without having to ask anybody, the courts or anyone, about what he can do. why do women have to ask his permission, the permission of right wing courts? their position is the extreme position. tim walz is it perfectly, sometimes you need to mind your own damn business. —— said it perfectly. women do favour tim walz. a poll from our partners at cbs

news said they favour tim walz overjd vance by a ratio of there about two to one. will we see here a lot about women and women's rights in an effort to attract women to the campaign? we should, because it's women's rights and freedoms under attack and under attack by the republican party. i talk to the other day that there is so young woman in my home town, 23 years old, junior one of the local universities and she had a miscarriage and went to the doctor. she was told to come to the police department and got arrested and charged with homicide. luckily, the grand jury homicide. luckily, the grand jury said she was not guilty, but that is the state we are in in some of our states in america, that women are getting prosecuted of miscarriages. that's only because of donald trump that was only after he appointed three of the most right—wing radicaljustices to the supreme court and that should not happen in america. are there areas tonight where

you think tim walz will be exposed? the republican party have been critical about how he has described his military record in the past.- has described his military record in the past. you know, one of the — record in the past. you know, one of the things, _ record in the past. you know, one of the things, i _ record in the past. you know, one of the things, i hope - record in the past. you know, one of the things, i hope jd i one of the things, i hopejd vance is exposed on the fact he is lying about his constituents. this is a man who represents the great state of ohio and is basically saying some of the people he represents are eating dogs and pets and cats when he knows it's a lie in the republican governor said it is not true and the republican mayor of springfield said it is not true, when his constituents, even the woman who posted the initial story said i should not have done that. it is not true. and he said sometimes you just have to tell a lie in order to prove a point. i mean, that is where we are right now. so we are going to push tim walz and kamala harris who have a vision for where they want to take the country. they want to create an opportunity economy that lifts

all of us and make sure is all americans regardless of background can live the american dream. donald trump is talking about tax cuts and tariffs for billionaires. we will see how _ tariffs for billionaires. we will see how it _ tariffs for billionaires. we will see how it plays out. thanks as always forjoining us. thanks as always for “oining us. . thanks as always for “oining us, ., ", ., thanks as always for “oining us. . ., ., thanks as always for “oining us, ., ., ., en'o us. thanks for having me. en'oy our us. thanks for having me. en'oy your debate. �* joining me now form the spin room floor is our correspondent john sudworth. there is a great buzz in the room and people from both campaigns pre—spinning the debate. what is it like where you are? set the scene. i’m debate. what is it like where you are? set the scene. i'm a sure way — you are? set the scene. i'm a sure way away _ you are? set the scene. i'm a sure way away from _ you are? set the scene. i'm a sure way away from where . you are? set the scene. i'm a | sure way away from where you are in the heart of the spin room. let's have a little wander around here and you can see all of the various networks lined up here. they are here, because, to watch the politicians, the pundits, the surrogates of the campaign watching the debate and of course, commentating on it. the point of all of this, just with

the two men on stage is to try to make that marginal difference in a race that is too close to call. assure them too close to call. assure them to go, not farfrom too close to call. assure them to go, not far from where you are, i spoke to jason miller, spokesperson for the trump campaign and i asked him whether he expected the issue of cats and dogs, the allegation from the republican side that undocumented migrants are eating household pets in springfield, ohio, whether he expected that to feature in tonight debate and he said he would be surprised if it didn't come up and thatjd vance would use it as an opportunity to hit that issue of migration head on. something that that campaign believes works to their advantage. we campaign believes works to their advantage.— campaign believes works to their advantage. we know this cam aiun their advantage. we know this campaign is — their advantage. we know this campaign is extremely - their advantage. we know this campaign is extremely close, | campaign is extremely close, particularly in the battleground states, the swing

states that sometimes lean republican or democrat. just how high are the stakes tonight and how important is the debate on how much do people make up their mind based on what they might hear? it’s their mind based on what they might hear?— might hear? it's interesting. peo - le might hear? it's interesting. peeple say _ might hear? it's interesting. people say there _ might hear? it's interesting. people say there often - might hear? it's interesting. people say there often a - might hear? it's interesting. | people say there often a high expectations for vice presidential debates but the reality is, in terms of their ability to shift the needle, they often deliver very little and if we asked our viewers how many vice presidential debates they remember over the course of their lifetimes, the answer is probably very few. that said, they do of course really matter and particularly in a very tight campaign, bothjd vance and tim walz tonight to know that they have one job and thatis know that they have one job and that is to attack your opponent and through that opponent attack their presidential candidate and in doing so hope that they can make that

marginal difference in the minds of some voters, and don't forget, as you guys have been discussing, it matters as well because we have already had the only presidential debate in this campaign currently on the calendar and this is likely to be the only remaining time when the two campaigns go head—to—head on live tv, so there's a lot at stake and both of those men tonight know that a misstep could cost them and if they get it right theyjust might make the crucial difference against those voters that they're all fighting for, the undecided. the that they're all fighting for, the undecided.— that they're all fighting for, the undecided. the key point for the vice _ the undecided. the key point for the vice presidential- for the vice presidential candidates is do no harm to the person at the top of the ticket. we will speak to a little bit later on. joining me now is howard lutnick, co—chair of the trump—vance transition team and ceo of cantor fitzgerald. thanks for being with us on bbc

news. ., , thanks for being with us on bbc news-_ how - thanks for being with us on bbc news._ how is l thanks for being with us on bbc| news._ how is jd news. fun to be here. how is jd vance? you've _ news. fun to be here. how is jd vance? you've been _ news. fun to be here. how is jd vance? you've been with - news. fun to be here. how is jd vance? you've been with him i vance? you've been with him over the weekend preparing him for tonight. over the weekend preparing him fortonight. he over the weekend preparing him for tonight-— for tonight. he is 'ust a really i for tonight. he is 'ust a really, really h for tonight. he isjust a really, really smart - for tonight. he isjust a - really, really smart fellow. remember, he drove himself at yale law school. we didn't have parents watching him, not sending his grades home, so he's driven by himself and you will see an incredibly smart person tonight and very impressive.— person tonight and very impressive. person tonight and very imressive. , , ., impressive. give us a bit of the behind _ impressive. give us a bit of the behind the _ impressive. give us a bit of the behind the scenes. - impressive. give us a bit of. the behind the scenes. what we're doing in the debate preparation and how where you are helping him? we preparation and how where you are helping him?— preparation and how where you are helping him? we would ask auestions are helping him? we would ask questions and _ are helping him? we would ask questions and show _ are helping him? we would ask questions and show him - are helping him? we would ask questions and show him how. are helping him? we would ask questions and show him how to get his point across with the question is coming because he knows the points you want to make and he knows the economic policy on the workers and he understands what we need to do, so the idea is to make sure you are fully getting your point across and you know how to do it and say it and really he is an incredibly capable person. he's only a0 years of age, so he's got stamina, power and he

is world—class and smart. amie is world-class and smart. we know the _ is world—class and smart. we know the economy is a really big issue for voters under number one issue for nearly all voters, so what is he hoping to say and who is he spoke —— hoping to speak to with that message? we hoping to speak to with that message?— hoping to speak to with that messa . e? ~ , ., message? we 'ust had the fed cut interest — message? we just had the fed cut interest rates _ message? we just had the fed cut interest rates in _ message? we just had the fed cut interest rates in america, | cut interest rates in america, 50 basis points, so the data is showing weaker economy than we are feeling. it's bad when the fed says, hey, i'm going to move faster than i thought, so that's number one and number two, you've got american workers, they arejust two, you've got american workers, they are just not feeling the love because two thirds of america's workforce have a high school education and one third went to college on the two thirds with high school educations, they don't have the backing of the government, the factories have left, so the economic policy of donald trump driving down the tax rate and bringing manufacturing back to the us and saying if you don't bring it back i will put tariffs on is going to create jobs for the

american workforce and i think that's the driving force of the trump advance ticket, bring american workers back up and take care of them and don't let the government leave them behind —— and vance. amie the government leave them behind -- and vance. we have oor behind -- and vance. we have poor workers _ behind -- and vance. we have poor workers on _ behind -- and vance. we have poor workers on strike - behind -- and vance. we have poor workers on strike as - behind -- and vance. we have poor workers on strike as the i poor workers on strike as the debate happens tonight. what would donald trump and jd vance do to help those voters? you will sit down _ do to help those voters? you will sit down with _ do to help those voters? you. will sit down with them and figure out what they need and how they will do it. that is the point, the government are supposed to engage and get involved and help make it better, but this is our supply chain and we need the supply chain and we need the supply chain in america to work and its engagement. you have to have a press conference. we have a press conference. we have war in the middle east escalating and we have a hurricane on the east coast and strikes everywhere and you are not holding press conferences. kamala harris needs to have press conferences and needs to answer questions and show people she is capable because you cannotjust hide. donald trump is fearless and will be out there answering questions all the time. jd vance,

fearless, answering questions all the time. i think the us should require kamala harris to answer questions and get out there and talk about it, don't hide. don't do a ridiculous press photo on a plane. flan hide. don't do a ridiculous press photo on a plane. can we say because — press photo on a plane. can we say because kamala _ press photo on a plane. can we say because kamala harris - press photo on a plane. can we say because kamala harris is i press photo on a plane. can we say because kamala harris is in the administration that today she was doing the job of the vice president and that is why she wasn't holding a press conference. but you mention tax cuts in a moment ago and we just had commentators before you and he was talking about the donald trump tax cuts is only being for the really rich and benefiting millionaires and billionaires are not doing anything for the common person. what would you say to that? take out a calculator, right. the tax cuts he did in 2017 have dramatically grown the government, and dramatically increase the benefits of america and cut primarily to —— cut taxes. my taxes went up. but you are a ceo. but

cut taxes. my taxes went up. but you are a ceo.— but you are a ceo. but they went uo- — but you are a ceo. but they went up. this _ but you are a ceo. but they went up. this concept - but you are a ceo. but they went up. this concept that l but you are a ceo. but they - went up. this concept that they lower the taxes on people, it's just not true. and i can't stand when they do things like that and fear but the way and make up nonsense. the key is on corporate taxes as an example, it seems if you raise the corporate tax you are taxing a company. what are companies made of? factories and people producing. you raise the tax in america and they willjust go to ireland. you see the surplus in ireland. you guys were reporting it this morning, the mass of surplus in ireland because they have 11% corporate tax rate so everybody goes to ireland and there are 5 million people flush with cash. i ireland and there are 5 million people flush with cash.- people flush with cash. i am irish people flush with cash. i am irish and _ people flush with cash. i am irish and i'm _ people flush with cash. i am irish and i'm from _ people flush with cash. i am irish and i'm from ireland i people flush with cash. i am | irish and i'm from ireland and irish and i'm from ireland and i will say it's not 5 million people flush with cash but i see the point you are making. i see the point you are making. i see the point you are trying to make. who isjd vance trying to speak to tonight? we know this campaign is so close and it's a

margin of error between the two candidates in the key states that matter, so what is a winter night orjd vance? he is a ounu winter night orjd vance? he is a young man — winter night orjd vance? he is a young man who _ winter night orjd vance? he is a young man who came - winter night orjd vance? he is a young man who came from . winter night orjd vance? he is a young man who came from a | a young man who came from a hard scramble background. we had an alcoholic mother and was raised by his grandmother and he lived that workforce life and he knows the workforce lie. he's not talking about it. he is it. he is talking to those people and said even from the beginning, iam people and said even from the beginning, i am going to support you and help you. he is the key part of the drive that says we have got to bring the factories back and open the minds and drill. we've got to go for the workforce and i think what you're going to see in this election as you will see union workers voting for donald trump and jd vance because they know it is the republican party that is focused on the workforce because we don't make batteries for electric cars. the democrats want to sort of drive electric cars, who makes the batteries for electric cars?

china makes them. do you know how they get the rare earths out? they use: strip mining to make electric batteries sold here and in europe. it's not right there is something wrong with that picture and we need gas prices lower and we need to drive jobs for our workers. donald trump has the endorsements of many the trade unions, we have to say, but you are so that the union rank and file are going to vote for him regardless of the leadership? it was an amazing thing with the teamsters, before they endorse for the first time, they send out a poll of the teamsters union, the classic auto workers teamsters union and 60% said they supported donald trump, so what happened is the union bosses couldn't do the normal democratic thing because the rank—and—file people, the people in the union liked donald trump. igate people, the people in the union liked donald trump.— liked donald trump. we will wait to see _ liked donald trump. we will wait to see what _ liked donald trump. we will wait to see what happens. l wait to see what happens. thanks forjoining us on bbc news. really fun being here. plenty more from new york in a

moment. now to my colleague, sumi somaskanda in dc. we will pick these conversations up in the studio. with me is congresswoman annie kuster, democrat from new hampshire. and rodney davis, former republican congressman from illinois. great daddy bowed back. just to pick up on what we heard that —— great to have you back. clearly an essay —— economic messages where the republicans feel they can attack kamala harris and tim walz, talking about the union workers rank—and—file who believe donald trump and jd vance are a better choice. how do democrats take on that messaging and try to turn it around? the take on that messaging and try to turn it around?— to turn it around? the truth of the matter— to turn it around? the truth of the matter is _ to turn it around? the truth of the matter is the _ to turn it around? the truth of the matter is the economy - to turn it around? the truth of| the matter is the economy has got much better in recent months and i beg to differ with the speaker. the price of gasoline in my home town in new hampshire is to dot 99, so we brought down inflation and what that rate cut was all about was elation is down —— $2.99. we

need workers and we need the economy, so they have lowered interest rates and we need more homes being built and lots more activity and less lower cost childcare and then our families will be a much better shape. talking about bringing jobs back to america, that's precisely what the democrats have done. precisely what the democrats have done-— precisely what the democrats have done. but americans are not feeling — have done. but americans are not feeling the _ have done. but americans are not feeling the love. - have done. but americans are not feeling the love. if - have done. but americans are not feeling the love. if you - not feeling the love. if you look at the polls, they see donald trump is strong on the economy. t donald trump is strong on the economy-— donald trump is strong on the econom . ~ .,, , , economy. i think those numbers are changing _ economy. i think those numbers are changing quite _ are changing quite dramatically. harris is our prime trumpets down just in the last couple of months and after she got on the tick —— and trump is down. talking about opening factories and manufacturing and jobs, that is happening because of the democratic legislation we passed and those jobs are going, interestingly enough, into the red areas, into places like georgia, north carolina

and ohio where factories are opening now. good jobs, and ohio where factories are opening now. goodjobs, chips, manufacturing, bringing those kinds of technology jobs manufacturing, bringing those kinds of technologyjobs back. we had that in hudson, new hampshire. 700 newjobs from a chips manufacturer. let hampshire. 700 new “obs from a chips manufacturer._ chips manufacturer. let me ask rodney about — chips manufacturer. let me ask rodney about this. _ chips manufacturer. let me ask rodney about this. what - chips manufacturer. let me ask rodney about this. what the i rodney about this. what the congresswoman is saying is that the democrats will reap the benefits of this investment back into the economy and manufacturing. do you think thatis manufacturing. do you think that is the case? is that something we will see messaged on tonight?— on tonight? they will try to take of that _ on tonight? they will try to take of that messaging i on tonight? they will try to take of that messaging but| on tonight? they will try to | take of that messaging but i would — take of that messaging but i would remind annie and republicans like me supported the chips act as well. it was bipartisan legislation so it's the republican and democrat wins — the republican and democrat wins we — the republican and democrat wins we can take when it comes to economic growth but at the same — to economic growth but at the same time it was republicans who passed the trump tax cuts that we — who passed the trump tax cuts that we in _ who passed the trump tax cuts that we in the economy and americans are seeing are seeing the benefits of the policies as

the benefits of the policies as the last— the benefits of the policies as the last speaker laid out. but at the — the last speaker laid out. but at the same time, prices, even though— at the same time, prices, even though the _ at the same time, prices, even though the inflation rate might io though the inflation rate might go down, prices in our stores have — go down, prices in our stores have not— go down, prices in our stores have not gone down substantially. many americans are hurting and democrats right now are — are hurting and democrats right now are the ones refusing to push — now are the ones refusing to push the _ now are the ones refusing to push the biden administration to enact— push the biden administration to enact the act to stop this impending port strike that is going — impending port strike that is going to _ impending port strike that is going to raise prices and raise inflation — going to raise prices and raise inflation and i believe democrats will pay the price. a lot of democrats will pay the price. lot of concerns about this. let's talk about the big picture of the debate. ahead of the debate you always see the game around expectation setting and i will ask you about the democrat side first because we've seen kamala harris and tim walz sayjd vance with his yale pedigree, incredibly talented, but do you think that is the case and it will be a tough debate? i is the case and it will be a tough debate?— is the case and it will be a tough debate? i think he will be a good — tough debate? i think he will be a good debater. - tough debate? i think he will be a good debater. he's i tough debate? i think he will be a good debater. he's a i tough debate? i think he will. be a good debater. he's a smart quy- be a good debater. he's a smart guy. he's not very likeable. if you look at the polling he's really struggling on likeability, and particularly with women and an issue that republicans just don't seem to

understand, andjd republicans just don't seem to understand, and jd vance is first among them, that when we talk about the economy, abortion is an economic issue for women. controlling your own reproductive health when, whether, how to have a family, is the most important economic decision you are going to make. so now the republicans with donald trump at the helm bragging about overturning roe versus wade, now they are having to play defence and they don't understand why. they had a us senate candidate the other day say abortion is for women who cannot keep their legs crossed. it is so offensive and so outrageously wrong. what it is really about is about people trying to have autonomy over their own body and decisions and, as we are seeing in all of these states, it's about women losing a baby, having a miscarriage and the hospital

sending them home say they should go in the parking lot until... it was outrageous. and they don't understand this issue. that is why it is two to one, women supporting tim walz overjd vance because they simply do not recognise how this issue impacts people is a real life. to this issue impacts people is a real life. ., , ., , this issue impacts people is a reallife. ., , real life. to bring rodney back in, on real life. to bring rodney back in. on the _ real life. to bring rodney back in, on the other— real life. to bring rodney back in, on the other side _ real life. to bring rodney back in, on the other side of- in, on the other side of expectations, you know tim walz and you worked with him across the aisle as well. we saw the donald trump team saying that tim walz was an experienced and skilled debater but then donald trump said in an interview yesterday thatjd vance is going up against a moron. what do you think of these kind of conflicting messages heading into the debate?— into the debate? there was robabl into the debate? there was probably a _ into the debate? there was probably a time _ into the debate? there was probably a time we - into the debate? there was probably a time we served l probably a time we served together and i might have joked together and i might have joked to him _ together and i might have joked to him that he's a moron. is that to him that he's a moron. that how to him that he's a moron. is that how you treat each other? yes. ., , that how you treat each other? yes. . , ., .. , yes. that is what he calls bipartisanship. _

yes. that is what he calls bipartisanship. he - yes. that is what he calls l bipartisanship. he probably deserved it _ bipartisanship. he probably deserved it and _ bipartisanship. he probably deserved it and i _ bipartisanship. he probably deserved it and i probably. deserved it and i probably deserved it and i probably deserve the times he has called me a _ deserve the times he has called me a moron but in the end, sometimes donald trump says things— sometimes donald trump says things that don't help the situation when it comes to expectations being set. but i wouldn't _ expectations being set. but i wouldn't take that one comment as something that could stop the expectations lowering for jd vance and the bottom line is, when _ jd vance and the bottom line is, when we look at the issues on undecided voters, abortion right— on undecided voters, abortion right now. _ on undecided voters, abortion right now, polling shows that anyone — right now, polling shows that anyone who makes that their number— anyone who makes that their number one issue has probably already— number one issue has probably already made up their mind who they are — already made up their mind who they are voting for. that already made up their mind who they are voting for.— they are voting for. that might be the case — they are voting for. that might be the case but _ they are voting for. that might be the case but we _ they are voting for. that might be the case but we expected . they are voting for. that might | be the case but we expected to be the case but we expected to be one of the issues likely on the agenda tonight at the debate and also likely the economy, immigration and perhaps the middle east, something we will get into. we will take a little bit of a break and a reminderfor viewers that you can watch the cbs... and you can watch the cbs news vice—presidential debate is simulcast here on bbc news. we are going to have

a full build—up from 1am british summer time, 8pm eastern time. stay with us for more coverage on the cbs news vice presidential debate. back in a few minutes. hello there. several counties in england have now seen their wettest september on record, so it's no surprise it's led to localised flooding and inundated roads. now, for the rest of this week, the good news is high pressure will continue to build in. that'll bring some very much needed drier and sunnier weather, though nights will turn chillier again with some mist and fog. high pressure already starting to topple into northern and western areas as we head into wednesday, but we've still got the influence of that area of low pressure across the far south—east. so more of a north—easterly breeze here, a bit more cloud at times, a few showers, mainly for east anglia and the far south—east. but elsewhere, after a chilly start with early mist and fog, we'll see a good deal of sunshine around.

that breeze will be noticeable across england and wales, but certainly across the south—east corner, but lighter for scotland and northern ireland. temperature—wise, not bad, close to where we should be for the time of year — around the mid—teens in the north, mid to high teens across the south. as we head through wednesday night, we hold on to this breeze, with further showers across east anglia and the south—east. but all the while, that area of low pressure will continue to pull away and high pressure will start to build in. and the winds will be lighter further north and west, so it's here where we'll see temperatures dip close to freezing, certainly across scotland, and there will be some mist and fog patches developing. and you can see why — high pressure starting to centre itself across the uk, pushing the weather front and that area of low pressure out into the near continent. so, thursday, probably a widespread dry day. chilly start, early mist and fog, but a lot of sunshine around. we will see a bit of fair weather cloud developing into the afternoon, but i think most places will stay largely dry. temperatures reaching highs of 17, maybe 18 degrees in the south. mid—teens further north, so that'll feel quite pleasant. as we head into friday, our area of high pressure holds

on across the country, but lower pressure begins to push in and that will bring some showers by the end of friday to northern ireland and western scotland with an increasing breeze. but the vast majority, again, after a chilly start, with some early mist and fog, will stay dry with widespread sunshine around. and into the afternoon, those temperatures reaching highs of 16 or 17 degrees in the south, mid—teens again in the north. we will start to see some changes as we head into the weekend, though. some eastern parts of the country may stay dry throughout the day on saturday, but wetter and windy weather will start to push into northern and western areas. all areas, i think, will be affected by the time we reach sunday. take care.

as we gear up for the vice presidential debate here in the us — tensions are escalating in the middle east. in the past hour, israel said it launched airstriks on hezbollah targets in beirut. the israel defense forces said in a post to telegram that its air force "conducted precise strikes on terrorists who were operating inside hamas command and control centres in the northern gaza strip." we'll continue to follow those strikes in lebanon and in gaza —

and provide any updates as soon as they become available. they come after iran launched a barrage of missiles at israel, the same day israel launched a limited ground invasion into lebanon. the us says nearly 200 rockets were fired at israel — most of them interecpted by israeli air defence systems. the strikes lit up the skies above tel aviv and jerusalem, with civilians told to take shelter. no injuries or casualties were reported in israel — but a palestinian in the neighbouring west bank was killed by rocket debris. tuesday's strikes by iran appear to be a response to recent israeli strikes targeting hezbollah in lebanon which killed hundreds of people and displaced about a million. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu vowed a response to iran's attack. translation: iran made a big mistake and it will pay for it. . the regime in iran does not understand our determination to defend ourselves and our determination to retaliate against our enemies. iran has warned of additional attacks if israel retaliates, saying its response would be

"crushing and ruinous". meanwhile allies of israel reaffirmed their support. uk prime minister keir stamer says he spoke to israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu following the strikes — telling him he condemns the attack in the strongest terms. and us national security advisor jake sullivan said iran's attack was defeated and ineffective — adding that american forces helped shoot down the missiles. presidentjoe biden has been monitoring events from the situation room. alongside him — vice president harris. the president and the prime minister spoke earlier. brute minister spoke earlier. we activel minister spoke earlier. - actively support the defence of israel and we are still assessing the impact. based on what we know, the attack was defeated and ineffective, and this is testament to israeli military capability and the us military. also a testament to intensive planning between the us and israel to anticipate and defend against the brazen attack we expected. the united

states is fully fully supportive of israel. states is fully fully su--ortive of israel. . , ., supportive of israel. we stand with israel— supportive of israel. we stand with israel and _ supportive of israel. we stand with israel and recognise i supportive of israel. we stand with israel and recognise herl with israel and recognise her right— with israel and recognise her right to — with israel and recognise her right to self—defence in the face — right to self—defence in the face of— right to self—defence in the face of this aggression. iran must — face of this aggression. iran must stop these attacks. together with its proxies like hezbollah. iran has menaced the middle _ hezbollah. iran has menaced the middle east for far too long. chaos— middle east for far too long. chaos and destruction brought notiust— chaos and destruction brought notjust to israel chaos and destruction brought not just to israel but to the people _ not just to israel but to the people they live amongst in lebanon and beyond. you can find the latest developments out of the middle my colleague, caitriona perry, on the ground in new york where we are under 30 minutes away from the vice presidential debate. we are in the spin room at the cbs broadcast centre in new york and the volume has picked up york and the volume has picked up a bit behind me. it's full

of congresspeople, surrogates and supporters of the candidates trying to talk to all of the media and spin the debate and explain how their candidate is going to be the best, say the best things and essentially win tonight, this one and only vice—presidential debate of this fast paced election cycle. minnesota governor tim walz and ohio senatorjd vance preparing to take to the stage. just behind this black curtain in midtown manhattan. people will be tuning in and around the world and it's a big moment for the two men, a big professional moment but also a big personal moment. let's get a sample of life where they are from. to minnesota first, where tim walz is a second term governor. joining me now is keith ellison,

minnesota attorney general. you are going to be watching the debate with a team of supporters. tell us about how your evening is going. we have a very lively — your evening is going. we have a very lively group. _ your evening is going. we have a very lively group. i'm - your evening is going. we have a very lively group. i'm told i a very lively group. i'm told we have the largest party in the country and i'm proud of that. tim walz is popular in minnesota, we elected him twice and we believe in him. i think the spirit is high, he has a lot of support right here. we have heard _ lot of support right here. we have heard a _ lot of support right here. we have heard a lot about minnesota knights, explain to those of us who are not from minnesota what is minnesota knights and are we going to see it in action tonight? —— minnesota nice. it in action tonight? -- minnesota nice.- it in action tonight? -- minnesota nice. it's the idea that we tend _ minnesota nice. it's the idea that we tend to _ minnesota nice. it's the idea that we tend to be _ minnesota nice. it's the idea i that we tend to be understated in minnesota. it's good manners. we do have a lot of things to be proud of. one of them is tim walz, he has put

together a remarkable record as governor. he has helped reduce the cost of raising a family, he has passed universal school meals for kids in minnesota. he has a wonderful background as a teacher and a coach. he has been there notjust for young people but people of all backgrounds. he is well regarded among the entire state, people who live in the city and rural communities, suburban communities, because he has been a producer, he does it with a smile, with a certain spirit of gladness. that's kind of what we call minnesota nice, he embodies that spirit. i expect it will be on display tonight because he has a great smile, he really does care about people and it shows in the way he serves our state. who specifically is he hoping to speak to? we know the rate is so close, particularly in some of the states. is he

hoping to try to appeal to some voters, the tiny few who are still undecided?— voters, the tiny few who are still undecided? the good thing about tim walz _ still undecided? the good thing about tim walz is _ still undecided? the good thing about tim walz is he _ still undecided? the good thing about tim walz is he has i still undecided? the good thing about tim walz is he has a i about tim walz is he has a message for everybody. that's why he has been able in congress, we serve there for 12 years together, he was able to win a district from a republican and after he left it returns to republican hands. he has the ability to cross over but at the same time he doesn't compromise on his core values. he has the ability... for example, a gun rights supporter but he also had been a leading advocate for gun safety and sensible gun laws in minnesota and across the country. he has the ability to combine both. he is a person who is a bridge builder, he connects people, because he tends to look at them as human beings first, which is why you saw him being

embraced at the black college football game, and you will see him at sporting events and you will see him in washington or in minnesota working with just about anybody. that's why he has a lot of support and why i think is going to do well tonight. he talks to everybody and i think some of those people are trying to make up their mind. if they are looking for somebody they can trust, somebody who is authentic and sincere, i think they will find that in tim walz. flit sincere, i think they will find that in tim walz.— that in tim walz. of course, the main — that in tim walz. of course, the main job _ that in tim walz. of course, the main job of— that in tim walz. of course, the main job of the - that in tim walz. of course, the main job of the vice i the main job of the vice president at one of these debates is to avoid messing up for one thing, but also to show to the american people that, should something happen to the individual at the top of the ticket, that they are competent and they have the skill set to

step into the role of president. you've been talking about what a nice guy tim walz is, but what are we going to see from him in terms of may be bringing a harder edge and tacklingjd vance bringing a harder edge and tackling jd vance on some of the criticisms he and the republican party have about how kamala harris is handling things? kamala harris is handling thins? ~ ., , things? tim walz is plain-spoken, i things? tim walz is plain-spoken, he i things? tim walz is i plain-spoken, he tells it things? tim walz is - plain-spoken, he tells it like plain—spoken, he tells it like it is. he doesn't do it in a mean way but he tells the truth and he is a plainly spoken person, people understand him and find him to be very accessible. in terms of credentials, he has been the governor of the state, two terms, very successful, he has brought us through tough times, pandemic, george floyd was murdered here, he dealt with all of those things in an excellent manner.- all of those things in an excellent manner. just to “ump in, excellent manner. just to “ump in. my i excellent manner. just to “ump in. sorry. you i excellent manner. just to “ump in, sorry, you raised i excellent manner. just to “ump in, sorry, you raised the i in, sorry, you raised the handling of george floyd, he did face a lot of criticism for

his handling of that? by, did face a lot of criticism for his handling of that?- his handling of that? a face artisan his handling of that? a face partisan criticism _ his handling of that? a face partisan criticism by - his handling of that? a face partisan criticism by peoplej partisan criticism by people trying to defeat him in an election. the truth is, by any objective measure, he operated according to the law, quickly, and he got the minnesota national guard out to safeguard people and property. we live in a highly partisan moment. unfortunately, even doing a good job is going to draw criticism from the other side. but for anybody fair—minded who wants to get to the truth, tim walz did an excellentjob. i know because i'm the chief law officer in minnesota and if anybody would know, it would be me, and i'm telling you he operated in an excellent manner. he made sure we put our state back on track and already we are seeing some of the areas where the civil unrest came about, restored, already coming back into place. we are seeing

construction. i was somewhere the other day that had been remodelled. i think he's done an excellentjob. he has make sure he doesn't let anyone bring him down because he has an excellent record. we bring him down because he has an excellent record.— an excellent record. we will wait to see _ an excellent record. we will wait to see how _ an excellent record. we will wait to see how he - an excellent record. we will wait to see how he handles| an excellent record. we will. wait to see how he handles it. that is the view from minnesota's attorney general, keith ellison, thanks for joining us. joining me now is 0hio's secretary of state frank larose, the top election official in the state. how are you going to be watching the debate tonight, what is the atmosphere like in ohio? i what is the atmosphere like in ohio? .. , ., what is the atmosphere like in ohio? ., ohio? i can tell you i am here with a crowd _ ohio? i can tell you i am here with a crowd of _ ohio? i can tell you i am here with a crowd of trump - ohio? i can tell you i am here with a crowd of trump and i ohio? i can tell you i am here with a crowd of trump and jd| with a crowd of trump and jd vance supporters, they knowjd vance supporters, they knowjd vance is the hometown guy and they are excited to see him talk about his hopeful and positive vision for this country. he has really live the

american dream and ohio is proud ofjd vance and we want to see him and president trump in the white house. you to see him and president trump in the white house.— to see him and president trump in the white house. you knowjd vance well. _ in the white house. you knowjd vance well, how _ in the white house. you knowjd vance well, how will _ in the white house. you knowjd vance well, how will he - in the white house. you knowjd vance well, how will he be i vance well, how will he be preparing? what is going through his mind? the clock is ticking down to the start of the debate.— the debate. this is a man i know well _ the debate. this is a man i know well and _ the debate. this is a man i know well and he - the debate. this is a man i know well and he is - the debate. this is a man i know well and he is cool. the debate. this is a man i i know well and he is cool under pressure, as you would expect from a former united states marine. he is very thoughtful, highly educated but notjust book smarts, he is streetsmart as well and i think you will lay out the argument quite well. i think tim walz will have a real challenge. somehow explaining how kamala harris is a change agent when she is the one that has been leading the country for the last three and half years. it's going to be an interesting contest tonight,

for sure. ., _ i. for sure. you say everyone in ohio is very _ for sure. you say everyone in ohio is very proud _ for sure. you say everyone in ohio is very proud of- for sure. you say everyone in ohio is very proud ofjd i for sure. you say everyone in i ohio is very proud ofjd vance, i am wondering how the folks in springfield, ohio feel tonight? he admitted on cnn that he had to create stories so the american media pay attention to the suffering of the american people, admitting he had over blown that situation regarding haitians in springfield. it’s haitians in springfield. it's unfortunate _ haitians in springfield. ut�*s unfortunate that the media have fixated on something around cats and dogs. you have a community struggling with a massive influx of individuals, more than you can expect to assimilate, it is stressing public safety and infrastructure, causing problems not only for the people who have lived in springfield the decades, but for these new members of the community that have come on asylum status as well. he is doing the right thing as the un senatorfor doing the right thing as the un senator for ohio doing the right thing as the un senatorfor ohio to call doing the right thing as the un senator for ohio to call out this concern and say it shouldn't be happening. fixating on memes about cats

and dogs, it's what the mainstream media wants to focus on but it's not what folks are focused on in ohio. brute on but it's not what folks are focused on in ohio. we know --eole focused on in ohio. we know people are — focused on in ohio. we know people are fixed _ focused on in ohio. we know people are fixed on - focused on in ohio. we know people are fixed on the i people are fixed on the economy, voters rank it as the most important, particularly in some of the state near to your own. whatjob doesjd vance have to do, what message does he have to say to connect with those people? jd he have to say to connect with those people?— he have to say to connect with those people? jd vance is going to talk about _ those people? jd vance is going to talk about the _ those people? jd vance is going to talk about the things - those people? jd vance is going to talk about the things people | to talk about the things people in ohio and americans are concerned about, the massive security at our southern border and the

many potential voters decided i'm undecided will tune into tonight debate which gets under way in less than 15 minutes' time. let's hearfrom a

way in less than 15 minutes' time. let's hear from a few of the voters who are nearby at the voters who are nearby at the cbs studios in new york and spoke to us earlier. i the cbs studios in new york and spoke to us earlier.— spoke to us earlier. i am going to watch the _ spoke to us earlier. i am going to watch the debate. _ spoke to us earlier. i am going to watch the debate. i - spoke to us earlier. i am going to watch the debate. i was i spoke to us earlier. i am going to watch the debate. i was put| to watch the debate. i was put on the spot and asked important questions. it’s on the spot and asked important cuestions. �* , ., ,., ., questions. it's an important moment — questions. it's an important moment in _ questions. it's an important moment in the _ questions. it's an important moment in the country i questions. it's an important i moment in the country knowing that there — moment in the country knowing that there are decisive candidates and they are are there — candidates and they are are there for— candidates and they are are there for the vp and what that candidate might be is important.— candidate might be is imortant. ~ ~' ., , important. we know trump. kamala harris _ important. we know trump. kamala harris we _ important. we know trump. kamala harris we know- important. we know trump. kamala harris we know but| important. we know trump. i kamala harris we know but don't know, _ kamala harris we know but don't know. so — kamala harris we know but don't know. so this _ kamala harris we know but don't know, so this is _ kamala harris we know but don't know, so this is also _ kamala harris we know but don't know, so this is also key - know, so this is also key because _ know, so this is also key because if— know, so this is also key because if either- know, so this is also key because if either of- know, so this is also key| because if either of them become _ because if either of them become incapacitated i because if either of them become incapacitated for whatever _ become incapacitated for whatever reason, - become incapacitated for whatever reason, this i become incapacitated for whatever reason, this isl become incapacitated for. whatever reason, this is the next — whatever reason, this is the next person— whatever reason, this is the next person in— whatever reason, this is the next person in line. - whatever reason, this is the next person in line. that's i whatever reason, this is the i next person in line. that's why people — next person in line. that's why people are _ next person in line. that's why people are also _ next person in line. that's why people are also watching - next person in line. that's why people are also watching it i next person in line. that's why people are also watching it is i people are also watching it is the future _ people are also watching it is the future-— the future. cbs has new battleground _ the future. cbs has new battleground polling i the future. cbs has new| battleground polling that the future. cbs has new - battleground polling that shows a toss—up race in those states that swing from republican to democrat and back again and in a poll of likely voters in the seven swing states, let's look at the results. in michigan,

harris is leading by 50 to a8. in arizona they are tied. and in georgia, trump leads by 50 and in nevada harris is ahead 50 - a7 and in nevada harris is ahead 50 — a7 and in north carolina, donald trump leads a9—a8 and to put a health warning on the polls, the margin of error on the pole is plus or —a percentage points. when we are talking about other candidates by three or four percentage points. and it's a close race all over. we will have more than here in a moment but for now over to you in the studio. we will be back in a moment but i want to come back to my guest in the studio and before we talk about the debate, you were grimacing about the poll numbers and who knows if the debate might move the needle

but what is your take on looking at the numbers about how close things are? if i was vice president _ how close things are? if i was vice president harris's - vice president harris's campaign i'd be very concerned about the numbers thatjust came out. donald trump, if you look at 2016 and 2020 he constantly and consistently co nsta ntly a nd consistently underperform constantly and consistently underperform in polling. with the numbers being this close with harris and tim walz having terrible for them right now. �* having terrible for them right now. ~ , ., ., having terrible for them right now. ~ i. ., .,, ., now. are you worried as a democrat? _ now. are you worried as a democrat? i— now. are you worried as a democrat? i have - now. are you worried as a democrat? i have a i now. are you worried as a i democrat? i have a completely different reaction. _ democrat? i have a completely different reaction. i _ democrat? i have a completely different reaction. i can - democrat? i have a completely different reaction. i can tell i different reaction. i can tell you. — different reaction. i can tell you, being on the ballot when donald — you, being on the ballot when donald trump was on the ballot and after— donald trump was on the ballot and after the dobbs decision, women — and after the dobbs decision, women are under polled, particularly women and republican households or an independent household, when the phone _ independent household, when the phone call comes in, they will say it— phone call comes in, they will say it is— phone call comes in, they will say it is a _ phone call comes in, they will say it is a republican households and in the privacy of the — households and in the privacy of the voting booth they will vote — of the voting booth they will vote for _ of the voting booth they will vote for kamala harris. they will vote _ vote for kamala harris. they will vote for autonomy over their— will vote for autonomy over their own _ will vote for autonomy over their own bodies, making their own— their own bodies, making their own decisions and there's a whole — own decisions and there's a whole campaign other right now

talking — whole campaign other right now talking to women about the privacy— talking to women about the privacy of the voting booth, little — privacy of the voting booth, little stickers and ladies rooms— little stickers and ladies rooms that are on the mirror is saying — rooms that are on the mirror is saying your— rooms that are on the mirror is saying your vote is private. and — saying your vote is private. and i— saying your vote is private. and i think that is a really important thing to take into account _ important thing to take into account. plus these are states we've — account. plus these are states we've been told repeatedly are deep _ we've been told repeatedly are deep red — we've been told repeatedly are deep red states. when you have north— deep red states. when you have north carolina in that close and — north carolina in that close and george are coming in that close — and george are coming in that close. ~ . ., and george are coming in that close. a ., . close. michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania _ close. michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania all _ close. michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania all going i close. michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania all going to i pennsylvania all going to donald trump. i pennsylvania all going to donald trump. pennsylvania all going to donald trum. , ., �* , donald trump. i understand it's close to but _ donald trump. i understand it's close to but you _ donald trump. i understand it's close to but you are _ donald trump. i understand it's close to but you are talking i close to but you are talking about — close to but you are talking about a _ close to but you are talking about a whole different cast of characters and a scenario in terms — characters and a scenario in terms of— characters and a scenario in terms of what is possible, and we are — terms of what is possible, and we are no— terms of what is possible, and we are no longer solely dependent on this blue wall as we have — dependent on this blue wall as we have opportunity in the southern states and i don't think— southern states and i don't think donald trump can be president of the united states without— president of the united states without north carolina, without states — without north carolina, without states like georgia or arizona so i'm — states like georgia or arizona so i'm saying there's a big change _ so i'm saying there's a big change going on in our country and a —

change going on in our country and a big — change going on in our country and a big change in demographics. she is very strong _ demographics. she is very strong with women and very strong — strong with women and very strong with women and very strong with seniors and a very strong — strong with seniors and a very strong with seniors and a very strong with voters of colour and — strong with voters of colour and i— strong with voters of colour and i feel very confident. let's _ and i feel very confident. let's go _ and i feel very confident. let's go back to the two gentlemen who who will be on stage night, rodney, we heard that the mantra for the vice presidential debate is do no harm to the people at the top of the ticket. do you think that will be the guiding light, if you will forjd vance? i don't think it will be the guiding light for any of them. this is their moment to shine in front of an audience. they've never had a chance to speak to them before and this is a chance to show their political skills and knowledge of the issues and what their vision, and more importantly, their presidential candidate's vision is to fix america and fix what is broken in these households and e is talking about. i get excited. i'm a junkie for the vice president debate. you always know outside of the first presidential debate this year, they really

don't change things and you know what the candidates will say, but i was excited to watch dan quayle and lloyd benson when i was 18 voting for the first time, and moving up, sarah paling, the vice presidential debate there —— sarah palin. vice presidential debates will not determine the outcome of an election that will determine the future of political outcome and political capabilities for future elections for both of the candidates tonight. brute elections for both of the candidates tonight. we are expecting _ candidates tonight. we are expecting them _ candidates tonight. we are expecting them to - candidates tonight. we are expecting them to really i candidates tonight. we are l expecting them to really dig into policy and we heard that from the guests on the ground in new york. immigration will be one of the big issues. we heard that they can clearly tie tim walz to the harris biden administration on immigration and it will be a tough one to feel. it and it will be a tough one to feel. . and it will be a tough one to feel. , ., ., . , feel. it is tougher forjd vance who _ feel. it is tougher forjd vance who is _ feel. it is tougher forjd vance who is in - feel. it is tougher forjd vance who is in the i feel. it is tougher forjd i vance who is in the united states senate. a bipartisan solution would have easily passed the house and the senate

but it was donald trump that stopped it because it brought in more border agents to secure the border and it stopped the flow of fenta nyl. jd vance of all people should care with his background and his story. he made a lot of money off that book, of the heartbreak and heartache of addiction and i know that the chair of the mental health caucus in the house, where wasjd vance when the legislation could have been passed in the senate and we could have had a solution, but no, donald trump said i don't want a solution, i want at this issue and he is playing politics with it. —— i want to have this issue. this will be a debate about values. listen to the values and listen to which jd vance shows up. visit the self—described hillbilly or is it the yale lawyer, the venture

capitalist, big dollars, and that really is that he brought money to the donald trump campaign, so follow the money. he knows cutting taxes for millionaires and billionaires is a good dealfor him and a good dealfor donald trump is a good dealfor him and a good deal for donald trump and a bad dealfor most of good deal for donald trump and a bad deal for most of us. good deal for donald trump and a bad dealfor most of us. we a bad deal for most of us. we only have _ a bad deal for most of us. we only have a — a bad deal for most of us. we only have a minute before we hand back but what will the big takeaway is beyond what defines success for other candidates? no missteps. don't make a moment _ no missteps. don't make a moment. he will end up being vice president. 0r sarah palin. many— vice president. 0r sarah palin. many others. who have been in the same — many others. who have been in the same shoes. but at the same time. _ the same shoes. but at the same time. show— the same shoes. but at the same time, show the american people who you — time, show the american people who you are. jd vance has to go to the _ who you are. jd vance has to go to the american people and talk to the american people and talk to them — to the american people and talk to them about what he has done. it's to them about what he has done. it's ok— to them about what he has done. it's ok to — to them about what he has done. it's ok to be a bit —— a hillbilly— it's ok to be a bit —— a hillbilly goes to yale. not the detriment of the political

campaign normally, and i will say this— campaign normally, and i will say this before time is up. tim walz. — say this before time is up. tim walz. he — say this before time is up. tim walz. he is— say this before time is up. tim walz, he is a miracle worker. he made _ walz, he is a miracle worker. he made keith ellison seam minnesota nice during the interview. minnesota nice during the interview-— minnesota nice during the interview. he's not here to defend himself. _ interview. he's not here to defend himself. keith i interview. he's not here to defend himself. keith is. interview. he's not here to defend himself. keith is al defend himself. keith is a treat defend himself. keith is a great friend _ defend himself. keith is a great friend and - defend himself. keith is a great friend and we i defend himself. keith is a great friend and we joke i great friend and we joke around~ _ great friend and we joke around. in the end, tim walz will_ around. in the end, tim walz will have _ around. in the end, tim walz will have to show the american people — will have to show the american people that he is not governing more _ people that he is not governing more like — people that he is not governing more like a keith ellison as governor— more like a keith ellison as governor versus a minnesota nice _ governor versus a minnesota nice man — governor versus a minnesota nice man when he was here. we will come _ nice man when he was here. , will come back after the debate that i want to head back to new york. we will keep an eye for the minnesota and ohio nice in the minnesota and ohio nice in the debate with less than five minutes to kick off. we will just chat for the next few minutes until that point with my colleague here, our north america correspondent, and it is getting a little bit quiet behind us in the spin room which is always a signal that the action is about to start but you've been chatting to some of the people who have

been here. what have they been saying about looking ahead to the debate?— the debate? they'll think it will be sometimes - the debate? they'll think it will be sometimes feisty i will be sometimes feisty exchange between the candidates and a lot has been asked about the different lines of attack that we will see from jd vance and tim walz and we expectjd vance to go after tim walz�*s record as minnesota governor which might be perceived as too liberal policies and they will talk about his military record and ties to china and then on the flip side tim walz might go after the flip side tim walz might go afteer vance on abortion and those comments about childless cat ladies, seemingly derisive comments about women who don't have children and the importance of having children. i was talking to the governor of illinois and asked about immigration because i think that will be a big topic of discussion and how tim walz might try to defuse the issue because polls to show a lot of american support for donald trump's policies on immigration and he said we will see tim walz try to point out that there was bipartisan agreement

on immigration reform earlier this year and it was republicans and donald trump in particular who tried to torpedo that, he said fulfil its purposes so we will see that thatis purposes so we will see that that is enough to defuse the issue or see if he will be drawn into having more of a defence of the biden immigration policy. defence of the biden immiaration oli . , immigration policy. they were s-ueakin immigration policy. they were speaking earlier _ immigration policy. they were speaking earlier about - immigration policy. they were speaking earlier about how . speaking earlier about how debates may be don't shift the needle in terms of support as we have seen debate to be dramatic like the joe we have seen debate to be dramatic like thejoe biden and donald trump won earlier in the summer but they can have an impact in terms of momentum for the campaigns on the energy and the campaigns on the energy and the talking points of the next few days. what are the potential pitfalls that each will be speaking —— seeking to avoid? will be speaking -- seeking to avoid? ~ ., ., , , avoid? we have to remember this is the last chance _ avoid? we have to remember this is the last chance for _ avoid? we have to remember this is the last chance for both - is the last chance for both campaigns to be side by side on a debate stage unless something changes and donald trump decides he wants to debate kamala harris again. this will be the final image that a lot of voters have as they head to the polls, notjust at the beginning of november but going to early voting places in swing

states across the country, sending in their mail—in ballots and i think generally both sides, first and foremost, do not want to harm their campaigns. they don't want to say something that trips up the campaigns and they have to spend days explaining it after this and they would love to be able to have the debate on terms favourable to them and it'll be about immigration and —— crime. they can talk about immigration crime and the economy and they will consider it a winner. and they will want to shift focus where democrats are strong and abortion rights and if they can make it about abortion and get vance defending the trump policy on abortion that would be a win for the democrats.— abortion that would be a win for the democrats. we've been talkin: for the democrats. we've been talking all— for the democrats. we've been talking all day _ for the democrats. we've been talking all day long _ for the democrats. we've been talking all day long about - for the democrats. we've been talking all day long about the l talking all day long about the situation in the middle east. foreign policy is not traditionally a major issue in us election campaigns, not reported as a major issue by voters in terms of how they

will make up their mind but do you expect there might be some discussion of it today given what we've seen and that the us have that role in israel at the moment. i have that role in israel at the moment-— have that role in israel at the moment. ~ . moment. i think there will have to be and _ moment. i think there will have to be and it _ moment. i think there will have to be and it is _ moment. i think there will have to be and it is the _ moment. i think there will have to be and it is the dominant - to be and it is the dominant story globally and here in the us, what is going on in the middle east, the iranian missile attacks on israel, if israel will respond. already statements from kamala harris and donald trump after the missile attacks, kamala harris again endorsing israel's right to defend itself, donald trump trying to lay all of the blame on the democratic administration, saying none of this would have happened if he was president. i think you are going to see because it's on the headlines of newspapers everywhere, they will be asked about it and they will have to find a way to respond. ladle about it and they will have to find a way to respond. we have two individuals _ find a way to respond. we have two individuals who _ find a way to respond. we have two individuals who have - find a way to respond. we have two individuals who have a - find a way to respond. we have two individuals who have a lot l two individuals who have a lot of history and experience, a lot of past knowledge in

various elected roles, each to draw upon as a potential attack lines. with the microphone is not being muted, although cbs clarified earlier they will have the power to do that if it gets too rowdy, do you think that will have an impact on the style and the flow of what we say? style and the flow of what we sa ? ., , ., say? you might see more give and take than _ say? you might see more give and take than we _ say? you might see more give and take than we saw- say? you might see more give and take than we saw during l say? you might see more give l and take than we saw during the donald trump debates first with joe biden and then kamala harris. although no one debates quite like donald trump, so you won't see quite as raucous a debate as we saw in 2020, where joe biden and donald trump talked over each other the entire evening. these two are little more traditional and probably more restrained. it makes for great television and helps illuminate the issues in the minds of voters, if you can

get back and forth between the candidates, asking each other questions and having to respond to each other. it can show how they think on their feet and how they parried the different attacks they will launch tonight. attacks they will launch toni . ht. ~ attacks they will launch tonight-— attacks they will launch toniaht. ~ . ., ' tonight. we are about 15 seconds _ tonight. we are about 15 seconds away _ tonight. we are about 15 seconds away from - tonight. we are about 15 seconds away from the i tonight. we are about 15 - seconds away from the start of the debate, hosted by norah o'donnell and margaret brennan. tim walz facing jd vance. let's cross over for this bbc news simulcast coverage of the debate on cbs news. good evening, i am debate on cbs news. good evening, lam norah debate on cbs news. good evening, i am norah o'donnell and thank you forjoining us for tonight's cbs news vice—presidential debate, we want to welcome our viewers on cbs and other networks in the us and around the world. a consequential night ahead and theissues consequential night ahead and the issues that matter to you, the issues that matter to you, the voter. the candidates, minnesota's democratic governor tim walz and ohio's republican senatorjd vance, tonight meeting for the first time.

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