asking each other candidates, asking each other questions and having to respond to each other. it can show how they think on their feet and how they parried the different attacks they will launch tonight. attacks they will launch toni . ht. ~ attacks they will launch tonight-— attacks they will launch toniaht. ~ . ., ' tonight. we are about 15 seconds _ tonight. we are about 15 seconds away _ tonight. we are about 15 seconds away from - tonight. we are about 15 seconds away from the i tonight. we are about 15 - seconds away from the start of the debate, hosted by norah o'donnell and margaret brennan. tim walz facing jd vance. let's cross over for this bbc news simulcast coverage of the debate on cbs news. good evening, i am debate on cbs news. good evening, iam norah debate on cbs news. good evening, i am norah o'donnell and thank you forjoining us for tonight's cbs news vice—presidential debate, we want to welcome our viewers on cbs and other networks in the us and around the world. a consequential night ahead and theissues consequential night ahead and the issues that matter to you, the issues that matter to you, the voter. the candidates, minnesota's democratic governor tim walz and ohio's republican senatorjd vance, tonight meeting for the first time.

iam i am margaret brennan. in order to have a thoughtful and civil debate, these are the rules that both campaigns have agreed. questions will be that both campaigns have agreed. questions will he do a directed at one candidate who will have two minutes to respond. the other candidate will be allowed two minutes for a the bottle. each candidate will get another minute to make further points, with an additional minute each at the discretion of the moderator. —— for a rebuttal. we will enforce the rules and provide the candidates with the opportunity to fact check claims made by each other. cbs news reserves the right to mute the microphone is to maintain decorum. we have not shared the questions or topics with the candidates, the stage is set, governor, senator, thank you forjoining us, let's get started. tonight our country faces several unfolding crises, the middle east on the brink of war, americans suffering from hurricane helene and a strike

as dock workers are picketing. we begin tonight with the middle east. earlier today, iran launched its largest attack yet on israel but it failed thanks to a joint us and israeli defensive actions. president biden has deployed more than 40,000 us military personnel and assets to that region over the past year, to try to prevent a regional war. iran is weakened. but the us still considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and it has drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon. it is now down to one or two weeks' time. governor walz, is now down to one or two weeks' time. governorwalz, if you were the final voice in the situation room, would you support or oppose a pre—emptive strike by israel on iran. support or oppose a pre-emptive strike by israel on iran.— strike by israel on iran. thank

ou, strike by israel on iran. thank you. and _ strike by israel on iran. thank you, and thank— strike by israel on iran. thank you, and thank you _ strike by israel on iran. thank you, and thank you to - strike by israel on iran. thank you, and thank you to those l you, and thank you to those joining from home tonight, let's keep in mind whether started. october the 7th, let's keep in mind whether started. octoberthe 7th, hamas terrorist massacred over 1400 israelis and took prisoners. israel's ability to defend itself is absolutely fundamental, getting hostages back, fundamental. and ending the humanitarian crisis in gaza. but the expansion of israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the united states' leadership. you saw today along with our israeli partners and coalition, able to stop the incoming attack. but what is fundamental here is steady leadership is going to matter. it is clear and the world saw it on the debate stage a few weeks ago, a nearly 80—year—old donald trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment. but it's not just that, it is those closest to donald trump that understand how dangerous he is when the

world is this dangerous. his chief of staffjohn kelly said he was the most flawed human being he had ever met. and both of his secretaries of defence and his national security advisers said he should be nowhere near the white house. the person closest to them, to donald trump, said he is unfit for the highest office. that was senator vance. what we have seen from vice president harris, we have seen steady leadership, calmness to draw on the coalitions to bring them together. understanding that our allies matter. when our allies say donald trump turned towards vladimir putin, turned towards vladimir putin, turned towards north korea, when you start to see that type of fickleness around holding the coalition together, we will stay committed, and as the vice president said today, we will protect our forces and our allied forces and there will be consequences.— allied forces and there will be consequences. governor, your time is up- — consequences. governor, your time is up. senator— consequences. governor, your time is up. senator vance, - consequences. governor, your| time is up. senator vance, the same question, would you

support or oppose a pre—emptive strike by israel on iran? first of all, thanks _ strike by israel on iran? first of all, thanks for _ strike by israel on iran? first of all, thanks for hosting - strike by israel on iran? first of all, thanks for hosting the | of all, thanks for hosting the debate, _ of all, thanks for hosting the debate, and thanks most importantly to the american people — importantly to the american people watching and caring enough _ people watching and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice—presidential debate. i will— vice—presidential debate. i will answer but i want to give an introduction myself a bit, because _ an introduction myself a bit, because i_ an introduction myself a bit, because i recognise a lot of americans don't know either one of us _ americans don't know either one of us i_ americans don't know either one of us i was_ americans don't know either one of us. i was raised in a working—class family, my mother required — working—class family, my mother required food assistance for period. _ required food assistance for period, my grandmother required social_ period, my grandmother required social security help to raise me, — social security help to raise me, because my mother struggled with addiction for a chunk of my early— with addiction for a chunk of my early life. i went to college _ my early life. i went to college on the gi bill after serving _ college on the gi bill after serving in iraq, sol college on the gi bill after serving in iraq, so i stand here— serving in iraq, so i stand here asking to be your vice president with extraordinary gratitude for this country, for the american dream that made it possible — the american dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams. _ possible for me to live my dreams, and most importantly i know— dreams, and most importantly i know a — dreams, and most importantly i know a lot — dreams, and most importantly i know a lot of you are worried

about — know a lot of you are worried about the _ know a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world and — about the chaos in the world and the _ about the chaos in the world and the feeling that the american dream is unattainable. i want _ american dream is unattainable. i want to— american dream is unattainable. i want to convince you over the next _ i want to convince you over the next 90 — i want to convince you over the next 90 minutes that if we get better— next 90 minutes that if we get better leadership in the white house, — better leadership in the white house, if we get donald trump back— house, if we get donald trump back in— house, if we get donald trump back in the white house, the american _ back in the white house, the american dream is going to be attainable once again. to answer— attainable once again. to answer this question, we have to remember, as much as governor— to remember, as much as governor isjust accused to remember, as much as governor is just accused donald trurnp — governor is just accused donald trurnp of— governor is just accused donald trump of being an agent of chaos, _ trump of being an agent of chaos, he actually delivered stability— chaos, he actually delivered stability in the world by establishing effective deterrents. people were afraid of stepping out of line. iran which — of stepping out of line. iran which launched this attack has received — which launched this attack has received over $100 billion in unfrozen — received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the karnata — unfrozen assets thanks to the kamala harris administration. they— kamala harris administration. they use _ kamala harris administration. they use that money to buy weapons _ they use that money to buy weapons that they are now launching against our allies, and — launching against our allies, and god _ launching against our allies, and god forbid, potentially launching against the us as welt — launching against the us as well. donald trump recognised that for— well. donald trump recognised that for people to see the us, you needed peace through strength. they needed to

recognise if they got out of line. — recognise if they got out of line. the _ recognise if they got out of line, the us global leadership would — line, the us global leadership would put stability and peace back— would put stability and peace back in — would put stability and peace back in the world. you asked about— back in the world. you asked about a — back in the world. you asked about a pre—emptive strike and i want — about a pre—emptive strike and i want to— about a pre—emptive strike and i want to answer, it is up to israel— i want to answer, it is up to israel what they think they need — israel what they think they need to— israel what they think they need to do to keep their country— need to do to keep their country safe and we should support _ country safe and we should support our allies wherever they— support our allies wherever they are _ support our allies wherever they are fighting the bad guys, that is— they are fighting the bad guys, that is the approach.— that is the approach. governor walz, do that is the approach. governor walz. do you _ that is the approach. governor walz, do you care _ that is the approach. governor walz, do you care to _ that is the approach. governorj walz, do you care to respond? donald trump was in office, we will hear revisionist history, but with donald trump we had a coalition of nations that had boxed iran's nuclear programme in, the inability to advance it. donald trump pull that programme and put nothing else in its place, so iran is closer to a nuclear weapon than before because of donald trump's sickle leadership. when iran shot down an american aircraft in international airspace, donald trump tweeted, because thatis donald trump tweeted, because that is his standard diplomacy. when iranian missiles did fall near us troops and they received traumatic brain injuries, donald trump wrote it

off as headaches. look, our allies understand that donald trump is fickle. he will go to whoever has the most flattery. steady leadership like you witnessed today and in april, both iranian attacks were repelled, our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership kamala harris provides. leadership kamala harris provides-— leadership kamala harris provides. leadership kamala harris rovides. ,, ., ., ., . ,, provides. senator vance, the us did have a _ provides. senator vance, the us did have a diplomatic— provides. senator vance, the us did have a diplomatic deal- provides. senator vance, the us did have a diplomatic deal with l did have a diplomatic deal with iran to temporarily pause its nuclear programme and president trump did exit that deal. he recently said, five days ago, the us must now make a diplomatic deal with iran because the consequences are impossible. did he make a mistake?— mistake? first of all, diplomacy _ mistake? first of all, diplomacy is - mistake? first of all, diplomacy is not - mistake? first of all, diplomacy is not a i mistake? first of all, l diplomacy is not a dirty mistake? first of all, - diplomacy is not a dirty word, something governor walz said is extraordinary, yourself said iran— extraordinary, yourself said iran is— extraordinary, yourself said iran is as _ extraordinary, yourself said iran is as close to a nuclear weapon— iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as it ever has been — weapon today as it ever has been and _ weapon today as it ever has been and you blamed donald trump — been and you blamed donald trump. who has been the vice president— trump. who has been the vice president for the last three and — president for the last three and a — president for the last three and a half years? your running mate. — and a half years? your running mate. not— and a half years? your running mate, not mine. donald trump consistently made the world

more — consistently made the world more secure. the sequence of events— more secure. the sequence of events that led us to where we are right — events that led us to where we are right now... you can't ignore _ are right now... you can't ignore october the 7th, which i appreciate governor walz bringing up, but when did iran and hamas and their proxies attack— and hamas and their proxies attack israel? it was during the administration of kamala harris — the administration of kamala harris. governorwalz the administration of kamala harris. governor walz can criticise _ harris. governor walz can criticise donald trump's tweets. _ criticise donald trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a broken world~ _ stability back to a broken world. donald trump has done it once _ world. donald trump has done it once before. ask yourself at home, — once before. ask yourself at home, when was the last time, i am 40 _ home, when was the last time, i am 40 years old, when was the last time — am 40 years old, when was the last time an american president didn't— last time an american president didn't have a major conflict break— didn't have a major conflict break out? the only answer was during _ break out? the only answer was during the — break out? the only answer was during the four years donald trump — during the four years donald trump was president. now to hurricane _ trump was president. now to hurricane helene. _ trump was president. now to hurricane helene. the - trump was president. now to hurricane helene. the storm| hurricane helene. the storm could become one of the deadliest on record. more than 160 people are dead and hundreds more missing. scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger and more deadly

because of the historic rainfall. senator vance, according to cbs news polling, seven in ten americans and more than 60% of republicans under 45 savour the us taking steps to try and reduce climate change. what responsibility would the trump administration have to try and reduce the impact of climate change? let start with a hurricane because _ let start with a hurricane because it's an unspeakable human— because it's an unspeakable human tragedy and i saw a photograph of parents on a roof with a _ photograph of parents on a roof with a six—year—old child and was — with a six—year—old child and was the _ with a six—year—old child and was the last photo taken of them — was the last photo taken of them because the roof collapsed and the — them because the roof collapsed and the innocent people lost their— and the innocent people lost their lives and i'm sure governor walzjoins me in saying _ governor walzjoins me in saying our hearts and prayers io saying our hearts and prayers go out — saying our hearts and prayers go out to _ saying our hearts and prayers go out to those innocent people and we — go out to those innocent people and we want is robust and aggressive federal response as we can— aggressive federal response as we can get to save as many lives _ we can get to save as many lives as— we can get to save as many lives as possible and afterwards to help the people in those — afterwards to help the people in those communities rebuild. these — in those communities rebuild. these are _ in those communities rebuild. these are communities i love and _ these are communities i love and i— these are communities i love and i know personally, in appalachia and across the south—east, they need the

government to do the job and i commit — government to do the job and i commit that when donald trump is president again the government or put the citizens of this— government or put the citizens of this country first when they suffer — of this country first when they suffer from a disaster. you asked _ suffer from a disaster. you asked about climate change and this is— asked about climate change and this is a — asked about climate change and this is a very important issue. a lot — this is a very important issue. a lot of— this is a very important issue. a lot of people are justifiably worried — a lot of people are justifiably worried about these crazy weather patterns and it's important for us first all to say— important for us first all to say donald trump and i support clean _ say donald trump and i support clean air— say donald trump and i support clean air and say donald trump and i support clean airand clean say donald trump and i support clean air and clean water and we want— clean air and clean water and we want the environment to be cleaner— we want the environment to be cleaner and safer but one of the things i've noticed our democratic friends talking a lot about is a concern about carbon _ lot about is a concern about carbon emissions on the idea that— carbon emissions on the idea that carbon emissions drives all of— that carbon emissions drives all of the _ that carbon emissions drives all of the climate change. let's _ all of the climate change. let's say that's true for the sake — let's say that's true for the sake of— let's say that's true for the sake of argument so we are not arguing— sake of argument so we are not arguing about weird science, let's— arguing about weird science, let's say— arguing about weird science, let's say it's true. but if you believe _ let's say it's true. but if you believe that, what would you want — believe that, what would you want to — believe that, what would you want to do? you would want to reassure — want to do? you would want to reassure as _ want to do? you would want to reassure as much as american manufacturing as possible and produce — manufacturing as possible and produce as much energy as possible _ produce as much energy as possible in the us because we are the — possible in the us because we are the cleanest economy in the entire _ are the cleanest economy in the entire world. what have kamala harris's — entire world. what have kamala harris's policies lead to? more energy— harris's policies lead to? more energy production in china, more — energy production in china, more manufacturing overseas and

more _ more manufacturing overseas and more doing business in some of the dirtiest parts of the entire _ the dirtiest parts of the entire world and when i say that— entire world and when i say that i'm _ entire world and when i say that i'm in the amount of carbon— that i'm in the amount of carbon emissions they are doing for each — carbon emissions they are doing for each unit of economic output _ for each unit of economic output so if we care about getting _ output so if we care about getting cleaner air and clean water— getting cleaner air and clean water the best thing to do is double — water the best thing to do is double down and invest in american workers on the american workers on the american people and unfortunately kamala harris has done _ unfortunately kamala harris has done the — unfortunately kamala harris has done the exact opposite. governor walz who had two minutes to respond. irate governor walz who had two minutes to respond. we got close to an _ minutes to respond. we got close to an agreement - minutes to respond. we got. close to an agreement because all those things are happening. first of all it is a horrific tragedy with this hurricane and my heart goes out to the folks down there in contact with the governors i serve as co—chair of the council of governors as we work together on the amount —— emergency committees, they know no partisanship and the emergency responders on the ground, that happens on the front end on the federal government comes in to make sure they recover but we are still in the phase where we need to make sure that they are staying there and staying focused. coming back to the climate change issue this has been brought onto the scene

faster and stronger than anything we have seen. senator vance has said there is a climate problem in the past and donald trump called it a hoax and joked these things would make more beachfront property to invest in. what we have seen out of their administration, is we've seen investment, we've seen massive investments, the biggest in global history that we've seen in the inflation reduction act which has created jobs across the country, 2000 in jeffersonville jobs across the country, 2000 injeffersonville ohio, taking in jeffersonville ohio, taking the injeffersonville ohio, taking the ev technology we invented and making it here. 200,000 jobs across the country, the largest solar manufacturing plant in north america sits in minnesota but my farm is real. they've seen 500 year drought some 500 year floods back to back but they are adapting and it's allowed them to say i harvest corn, soybean and wind and we produce more natural gas and we produce more natural gas and oil than we ever have and are producing more clean energy. so the solution for us

is to continue to move forward and climate change is real, reducing our impact is absolutely critical. but this is not a false choice. you can do it at the same time you are creating thejobs we do it at the same time you are creating the jobs we are seeing all across the country. that's exactly what the administration has done and we are seeing us become a energy superpower for the future, notjust become a energy superpower for the future, not just the current and that is what makes sense and then we start thinking about how do we mitigate these disasters. i want to give you an opportunity to respond. the governor mentioned that donald trump called climate change hoax. d0 called climate change hoax. do ou called climate change hoax. do you agree? what the president has said — you agree? what the president has said if the democrats in particular kamala harris and her leadership, if they believe climate — her leadership, if they believe climate change is serious what they— climate change is serious what they would be doing is more manufacturing and energy production in the united states of america and that is not what they— of america and that is not what they are — of america and that is not what they are doing. clearly kamala harris — they are doing. clearly kamala harris herself does not believe her own — harris herself does not believe her own rhetoric on this. if she — her own rhetoric on this. if she did, _ her own rhetoric on this. if she did, she would agree with donald — she did, she would agree with donald trump's energy policies. something governor walz said is important to touch on because

when — important to touch on because when we — important to touch on because when we talk about clean energy. _ when we talk about clean energy, that is a slogan that the democrats will use and i'm talking — the democrats will use and i'm talking about the democratic leadership and the real issue is if you _ leadership and the real issue is if you are spending hundreds of millions or billions of dollars— of millions or billions of dollars of american taxpayer money— dollars of american taxpayer money on solar panels made in china, — money on solar panels made in china, numberone, money on solar panels made in china, number one, you will make — china, number one, you will make the _ china, number one, you will make the economy dirtier. we should — make the economy dirtier. we should make more of them here in the _ should make more of them here in the us — should make more of them here in the us. and some of them are, — in the us. and some of them are, too— in the us. and some of them are, too much but a lot are being — are, too much but a lot are being made overseas in china, especially— being made overseas in china, especially the components that io especially the components that go into— especially the components that go into the solar panels so if you want— go into the solar panels so if you want to make the environment cleaner, you have to invest — environment cleaner, you have to invest in _ environment cleaner, you have to invest in more energy production and we have built one nuclear facility in the last— one nuclear facility in the last 40 _ one nuclear facility in the last 40 years in natural gas, we have _ last 40 years in natural gas, we have to invest more in an kamala — we have to invest more in an kamala harris has done the opposite which is raise energy prices — opposite which is raise energy rices. ,, ., ., , prices. senator, your time is u -. prices. senator, your time is up. governor, _ prices. senator, your time is up. governor, would - prices. senator, your time is up. governor, would you - prices. senator, your time is| up. governor, would you like prices. senator, your time is i up. governor, would you like to respond? irate up. governor, would you like to resond? ~ . up. governor, would you like to respond?— up. governor, would you like to resond? ~ ., , ., . ., respond? we are producing more natural gas _ respond? we are producing more natural gas than _ respond? we are producing more natural gas than we _ respond? we are producing more natural gas than we ever - respond? we are producing more natural gas than we ever have - natural gas than we ever have and we are producing more oil and we are producing more oil and folks know, like i said, again, these are not liberal folks or folks that are green and new deal folks,

folks or folks that are green and new dealfolks, these farmers who have had drought one and massive flooding the next and they understand it make sense. our number one export cannot be top soil from erosion from these massive storms. we saw it in minnesota this summer. i'm thinking about how we respond, we are thinking ahead on this and what kamala harris has been able to do in minnesota, we are starting to weatherproof these things. the infrastructure law passed allows us to think about mitigation in the future. how do we make sure we are protecting by burying power lines and make sure we are protecting the future. how do we make sure we are protecting by burying power lines and make sure we are protecting take the oil company executives and asked for money for my campaign and let you do whatever we want. we can be smarter about that and the all above energy policy is creating those jobs right here. policy is creating those “obs right mi policy is creating those “obs riaht here. ,., ., i. right here. governor, your time is u -. right here. governor, your time is up the _ right here. governor, your time is up. the overwhelming - is up. the overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the earths climate is warming at an unprecedented rate. we will turn out to

immigration and the crisis at the us mexico border consistently ranking as one of the top issues for american voters. senator vance, your campaign pledges to carry out the largest mass deportation plan in american history and to use the us military to do so. could you be more specific about exactly how this will work? for example, would you deport parents who have entered the us illegally and separate them from any of their children who were born on us soil? you have two minutes.— have two minutes. before we talk about — have two minutes. before we talk about deportation - have two minutes. before we talk about deportation we - have two minutes. before we i talk about deportation we have to stop the bleeding. irate talk about deportation we have to stop the bleeding.— to stop the bleeding. we have an historic _ to stop the bleeding. we have an historic immigration - to stop the bleeding. we have an historic immigration crisisl an historic immigration crisis because _ an historic immigration crisis because kamala harris started and said — because kamala harris started and said she wanted to undo all of donald — and said she wanted to undo all of donald trump's border policies _ of donald trump's border policies. 94 executive orders to spending deportations, decriminalising illegal aliens, massively increasing the asylum fraud _ massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system _ fraud that exists in our system. that has open the floodgates and what it meant is a lot _ floodgates and what it meant is a lot of— floodgates and what it meant is a lot of friends and i was coming _

a lot of friends and i was coming into our country. i had a mother— coming into our country. i had a mother who struggled with opioid — a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and has got clean — opioid addiction and has got clean i— opioid addiction and has got clean. i don't want people struggling with addiction to be deprived of a second chance because _ deprived of a second chance because kamala harris let in fentarryl— because kamala harris let in fe nta nyl into because kamala harris let in fentanyl into the community at record — fentanyl into the community at record levels. you have to stop the bleeding. you have to reenter— the bleeding. you have to re—enter the donald trump border— re—enter the donald trump border policies, build the wall, _ border policies, build the wall, reimplement deportations and that— wall, reimplement deportations and that gets me to your point about— and that gets me to your point about what we actually do. we have _ about what we actually do. we have 25 — about what we actually do. we have 25 million illegal aliens in the — have 25 million illegal aliens in the country, so what we do with— in the country, so what we do with them? the first thing we do is — with them? the first thing we do is start— with them? the first thing we do is start with the criminal migrants _ do is start with the criminal migrants. about a million of those — migrants. about a million of those people have committed some — those people have committed some form of crime in addition to crossing _ some form of crime in addition to crossing the border illegally and you start with deportations on those folks. and — deportations on those folks. and then i think you make it harder— and then i think you make it harder for— and then i think you make it harder for illegal aliens to undercut the wages of american workers — undercut the wages of american workers a _ undercut the wages of american workers. a lot of people will io workers. a lot of people will go home _ workers. a lot of people will go home if they can't work for less— go home if they can't work for less than— go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage in their own country and that would be really — own country and that would be really good for our workers who want _ really good for our workers who want to — really good for our workers who want to earn a fair wage for doing — want to earn a fair wage for doing a _ want to earn a fair wage for doing a good days work. the final— doing a good days work. the final point is you ask about family— final point is you ask about family separation. right now in

country— family separation. right now in country we have 320,000 children— country we have 320,000 children that the department of homeland security has effectively lost. some of them have _ effectively lost. some of them have been sex trafficked and some — have been sex trafficked and some of— have been sex trafficked and some of them are hopefully at home — some of them are hopefully at home with their families and some — home with their families and some of— home with their families and some of them have been used as drug _ some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules and the real family separation in this policy— real family separation in this policy is _ real family separation in this policy is unfortunately kamala harris's — policy is unfortunately kamala harris's wide open southern border~ _ harris's wide open southern border~ i— harris's wide open southern border. i would ask my fellow americans to remember when she came _ americans to remember when she came into — americans to remember when she came into office c said she would _ came into office c said she would do _ came into office c said she would do this. real leadership would — would do this. real leadership would say, i screwed up and we will go — would say, i screwed up and we will go back to the donald trump _ will go back to the donald trump border policies and i wish — trump border policies and i wish she _ trump border policies and i wish she would do that because it would — wish she would do that because it would be good for all of us. governor? _ it would be good for all of us. governor? do you care to respond to any of those specific allegations, including that the vice president is letting in fentanyl and using kids as drug mules amongst other things?— kids as drug mules amongst other things? the drug mule is not true but — other things? the drug mule is not true but i _ other things? the drug mule is not true but i will _ other things? the drug mule is not true but i will say - other things? the drug mule is not true but i will say about. not true but i will say about the fentanyl, because it is a crisis, the opioid crisis on the good news is the last 12 month saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nations history, 30% decrease in ohio

but there's more work to do. let's go back to immigration. kamala harris was the attorney general of the largest border state in california and the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs or human trafficking and drug interventions. but look, we all want to solve it. most of us want to solve it. most of us want to solve this and that the united states congress, the border patrol agents, the chamber of commerce, that is most americans out there which is why we have the fairest and toughest bill on immigration that this nation has seen. it was crafted by a conservative senator from oklahoma, james langford, he's super conservative but a man of principle and wants to get it done. democrats and republicans worked on this piece of legislation but border patrol say this is what we need. these are the experts. in the chamber of commerce and the wall street journal said parse it and kamala harris helped us get there. 1500 new border agents, detection of drugs and doj money to speed up the adjudication. as soon as i was

getting ready to pass and tackle this, donald trump said no. he told them to vote against it because he gives him against it because he gives him a campaign issue and it gives him... what would donald trump talk about if we actually did some of these things? and they need to be done by the legislator. you can'tjust do it through the executive branch. we have the option is to do this. donald trump had four years to do this and he promised america how easy would be and i will build you a big beautiful wall and mexico will pay for it. less than 2% of the war got built and mexico didn't pay a dime but here we are again, nine years after he came down the escalator, dehumanising people and telling them what he was going to do. as far as the deportation plan, at one point senator vance said it was so unworkable as to be laughable. that is where we are, pastor bill, she will sign it. ., , ., , are, pastor bill, she will sign it. ., , , it. governor, your time is up. senator. _ it. governor, your time is up. senator, the _ it. governor, your time is up. senator, the question - it. governor, your time is up. senator, the question was . it. governor, your time is up. i senator, the question was would you separate parents from your children even if their kids are

us citizens west of you have one minute. my point is we already have a massive child separations and i didn't accuse kamala harris of inviting drug mules, i said she enabled the mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country. we mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country.— freely in this country. we know that they use _ freely in this country. we know that they use children - freely in this country. we know that they use children as - freely in this country. we know that they use children as drug l that they use children as drug mules— that they use children as drug mules and it's a disgrace and it has— mules and it's a disgrace and it has to _ mules and it's a disgrace and it has to stop. i think what tim — it has to stop. i think what tim says _ it has to stop. i think what tim says doesn't pass the smell test~ _ tim says doesn't pass the smell test for— tim says doesn't pass the smell test. forthree tim says doesn't pass the smell test. for three years, tim says doesn't pass the smell test. forthree years, kamala harris— test. forthree years, kamala harris went out bragging that she was— harris went out bragging that she was going to undo donald trump's — she was going to undo donald trump's border policy and did ekactly— trump's border policy and did exactly that and we had a record _ exactly that and we had a record number of illegal crossings and fentanyl coming crossings and fe nta nyl coming into crossings and fentanyl coming into our— crossings and fentanyl coming into our country and now she is running — into our country and now she is running for— into our country and now she is running for president or a few months — running for president or a few months before, she says she got religion — months before, she says she got religion and cared a lot about a piece — religion and cared a lot about a piece of— religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation. the only— a piece of legislation. the only thing she did when she became _ only thing she did when she became vice president and became _ became vice president and became the appointed border tsar was— became the appointed border tsar was to undo 94 donald trump _ tsar was to undo 94 donald trump executive actions that opened — trump executive actions that opened the border. this problem is leading — opened the border. this problem is leading to massive problems in the — is leading to massive problems in the united states of america. parents who can't

afford — america. parents who can't afford health care, schools overwhelmed and it has to stop and it— overwhelmed and it has to stop and it will— overwhelmed and it has to stop and it will when donald trump is present. and it will when donald trump is present-— is present. your time is up. governor. _ is present. your time is up. governor, what _ is present. your time is up. governor, what about - is present. your time is up. governor, what about cbs i is present. your time is up. - governor, what about cbs news polling that shows the majority of americans, more than 50% support mass deportation. look, we fix this _ support mass deportation. look, we fix this issue _ support mass deportation. look, we fix this issue with _ support mass deportation. look, we fix this issue with a _ support mass deportation. look, we fix this issue with a bill- we fix this issue with a bill thatis we fix this issue with a bill that is necessary but the issue is that this is what happens when you don't want to solve it, you demonise it, and we saw this. senator vance even surprises me on this, saying i will create stories to bring attention to this. that vilified a large number of people here illegally in the community of springfield. the republican governor said it's not true, don't do it. there are consequences for this. we could come together and senator langford did it. we could come together and solve this if we didn't let donald trump continue to make it an issue. and the consequences in springfield were that the governor had to send state law enforcement to escort kindergartners to school. i believe senator vance wants to

solve this but by standing with donald trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking point and when it becomes a talking point like this, we do me —— dehumanising them in eyes of human beings.— dehumanising them in eyes of human beings. governor, your time is up _ human beings. governor, your time is uo- l— human beings. governor, your time is up. i will— human beings. governor, your time is up. i will give - human beings. governor, your time is up. i will give you - human beings. governor, your time is up. i will give you one| time is up. i will give you one minute, senator, but let me ask you the question first. the governor has made the point, and as a sitting lawmaker you know congress controls the purse strings of any funding, so you have said repeatedly that donald trump would, through executive action, solve this. do you disagree that congress controls the purse strings and would need to support many of the changes you would actually want to implement?— would actually want to implement? would actually want to imlement? , ., ., implement? first of all the cross implement? first of all the gross majority _ implement? first of all the gross majority of _ implement? first of all the gross majority of what - implement? first of all the gross majority of what we i implement? first of all the - gross majority of what we need to do _ gross majority of what we need to do at — gross majority of what we need to do at the southern border is empowering law enforcement to do their— empowering law enforcement to do theirjob. i've been to the southern _ do theirjob. i've been to the southern border more than kamala _ southern border more than kamala harris has been and it's heartbreaking because the border— heartbreaking because the border patrol agents just want to be — border patrol agents just want to be empowered to do their job — to be empowered to do their job 0f—

to be empowered to do their job. of course additional resources will help but most of this is— resources will help but most of this is about the president and vice _ this is about the president and vice president empowering law enforcement to say if you try to come _ enforcement to say if you try to come across the border illegally, you have to stay in mexico _ illegally, you have to stay in mexico or go back through proper— mexico or go back through proper channels. governor walz brought— proper channels. governor walz brought up the community of springfield and he is very worried _ springfield and he is very worried about the things i've said — worried about the things i've said in— worried about the things i've said in springfield. look, in springfield, ohio and in communities across this country you have — communities across this country you have got schools that are overwhelmed, hospitals that are overwhelmed, hospitals that are overwhelmed and housing that is totally _ overwhelmed and housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with americans for scarce homes. the people _ americans for scarce homes. the people i'm — americans for scarce homes. the people i'm most worried about in springfield, ohio are the american citizens who have had their— american citizens who have had their lives— american citizens who have had their lives destroyed by kamala harris's — their lives destroyed by kamala harris's open border. it is a disgrace. _ harris's open border. it is a disgrace, and i agree with you, i disgrace, and i agree with you, ithink— disgrace, and i agree with you, i think you _ disgrace, and i agree with you, i think you want to solve this problem _ i think you want to solve this problem but i don't think kamala _ problem but i don't think kamala harris does. senator, our kamala harris does. senator, your time _ kamala harris does. senator, your time is _ kamala harris does. senator, your time is up. _ kamala harris does. senator, your time is up. you - kamala harris does. senator, your time is up. you have - kamala harris does. senator, | your time is up. you have one minute to respond. it your time is up. you have one minute to respond.— minute to respond. it is law enforcement _ minute to respond. it is law enforcement are _ minute to respond. it is law enforcement are asked - minute to respond. it is law enforcement are asked for. minute to respond. it is law. enforcement are asked for the bill. they help craft it. they are the ones who supported it.

that's because they know what we need to do this. this issue are continuing to bring this up, of not dealing with it, of blaming migrants everything, on housing we could talk a little bit about wall street speculators buying up housing and making them less affordable but it becomes a blame. this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate. i agree it should not take seven years for an asylum claim to be done. this bill gets it done in 90 days and then you start to make a difference and you start to adhere to what we know, american principles. i don't talk about my faith a lot but matthew 25—40 talks about are the least amongst us, you do unto me and that is true of most americans who simply want order to it. this bill does it, it is funded and supported by the people who do it and it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people. just to clarify for — how we treat other people. just to clarify for viewers. springfield, ohio does have a large number of migrants from haiti who have legal status,

temporarily protected starters. senator, we have so much to get to. i senator, we have so much to get to. ., �* , senator, we have so much to get to. ~ �* , ., senator, we have so much to get to. ~' �*, ., we to. i think it's important. we will turn _ to. i think it's important. we will turn to _ to. i think it's important. we will turn to the _ to. i think it's important. we will turn to the economy. - to. i think it's important. we| will turn to the economy. we need to do — will turn to the economy. we need to do a _ will turn to the economy. we need to do a fact _ will turn to the economy. we need to do a fact check and since — need to do a fact check and since you _ need to do a fact check and since you are fact checking me, it's important to say what is going — it's important to say what is going on _ it's important to say what is going on. there is an application called the cvb that you can — application called the cvb that you can go on as a illegal migrant— you can go on as a illegal migrant and apply for asylum or parole _ migrant and apply for asylum or parole and be granted legal status — parole and be granted legal status at the wave of a kamala harris — status at the wave of a kamala harris open border one. that is not a _ harris open border one. that is not a person coming and applying for a green card and waiting — applying for a green card and waiting ten years.— applying for a green card and waiting ten years. thank you, senator- _ waiting ten years. thank you, senator. thank— waiting ten years. thank you, senator. thank you, - waiting ten years. thank you, senator. thank you, senator | waiting ten years. thank you, i senator. thank you, senator for senator. thank you, senatorfor describing the legal process. we have so much to get to, senator. we have so much to get to. .,, senator. we have so much to get to. ., , ., , ., to. those laws have been on the books since _ to. those laws have been on the books since 1990. _ to. those laws have been on the books since 1990. the _ to. those laws have been on the books since 1990. the app - to. those laws have been on the books since 1990. the app has i books since 1990. the app has not been on — books since 1990. the app has not been on the _ books since 1990. the app has not been on the books - books since 1990. the app has not been on the books since i not been on the books since 1990 — not been on the books since 1990 it— not been on the books since 1990. ., , ,., not been on the books since 1990. ., , ., ., ., 1990. it was something kamala harris helped _ 1990. it was something kamala harris helped create. _ 1990. it was something kamala harris helped create. the - harris helped create. the audience _ harris helped create. the audience cannot - harris helped create. the audience cannot hear- harris helped create. the audience cannot hear you because your mics are cut. we have so much to get too but thank you for explaining the

legal process. the economy is a top concern for voters. each of your campaigns has released an economic plan, so let's talk about the specifics. governor walz, vice president harris unveiled a plan that includes billions in tax credits for manufacturing, housing under renewed child tax credit. the wharton school said the proposals will increase the nation's deficit by $1.2 trillion. how would you pay for that without ballooning the deficit? . ., that without ballooning the deficit? ., ,, , ., ., that without ballooning the deficit? ., ,, ., ., ., ., deficit? thank you, and kamala harris and _ deficit? thank you, and kamala harris and l _ deficit? thank you, and kamala harris and i do _ deficit? thank you, and kamala harris and i do believe - deficit? thank you, and kamala harris and i do believe in - deficit? thank you, and kamala harris and i do believe in the i harris and i do believe in the middle class because that's where we come from. we both grew up in that and understand so those listening to like you are hearing a lot of stuff back and forth and it's good and healthy young that is what is supposed to happen but you should it be interested in how it will impact me. the plan kamala harris put out that is talking about the housing issue. but one thing is there are 3 million new houses proposed under this plan was down payment assistance on the front end to give you

assistance. a house is more than an asset to be traded somewhere, it is foundational to where you are at and then making sure the things you buy every day whether they be prescription drugs or other things that there is fairness in that. the $35 insulin is a good thing but it costs $5 to make insulin and they were charging $800 before the law went into effect. as far as the housing goes, i've seen in minnesota, 12% more in minneapolis and prices went down on rent 4%, its working. in making sure tax cuts go to the middle class will stop $6,000 child tax credit, we have one in minnesota, and it reduces childhood poverty by a third and we save money in the long run and we do the right thing forfamilies and long run and we do the right thing for families and then getting businesses off the ground and as it stands its 5000 tax credit, but increasing that a 50,000. this is a philosophical difference between us. donald trump made a promise, and he kept it, he took foakes to mara largo and he gave people a tax cuts, and what happened was in $1 trillion increase in the

national debt, the largest ever and now he is proposing a 20% consumption or sales tax on everything we bring in. everyone agrees including businesses it would be destabilising and increase inflation and potentially lead to a recession. this is simple for you, where are we going? kamala harris are said to do the thing she wants to do, we will ask the wealthiest pay their fair will ask the wealthiest pay theirfair share. when will ask the wealthiest pay their fair share. when you will ask the wealthiest pay theirfair share. when you do that, the system works best and more people are participating in it and folks have the the wharton — in it and folks have the the wharton school _ in it and folks have the the wharton school has - in it and folks have the the wharton school has done an analysis of the trump plan and said it would increase the nation's deficit by $5.8 trillion. the same question for you, how do you pay for all of that without ballooning the deficit? , ., ., ., deficit? first of all, you are auoin deficit? first of all, you are going to — deficit? first of all, you are going to hear _ deficit? first of all, you are going to hear a _ deficit? first of all, you are going to hear a lot - deficit? first of all, you are going to hear a lot from - deficit? first of all, you are| going to hear a lot from tim walz— going to hear a lot from tim walz this _ going to hear a lot from tim walz this evening, you just heard _ walz this evening, you just heard there, a lot of what kamala _ heard there, a lot of what kamala harris proposes to do, and i'll—

kamala harris proposes to do, and i'll be _ kamala harris proposes to do, and i'll be honest, some of it even — and i'll be honest, some of it even sounds pretty good. here is what — even sounds pretty good. here is what you won't hear. kamala harris — is what you won't hear. kamala harris has _ is what you won't hear. kamala harris has already done it, because _ harris has already done it, because she has been the vice president— because she has been the vice president for three and a half years. — president for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact— years, she had the opportunity to enact all these great policies, and what she has done instead — policies, and what she has done instead is— policies, and what she has done instead is drive the cost of food — instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%. the cost of housing — food higher by 25%. the cost of housing higher by about 60%. open — housing higher by about 60%. open the american southern border— open the american southern border and make middle—class life unaffordable for a large number _ life unaffordable for a large number of americans. if kamala harris _ number of americans. if kamala harris have _ number of americans. if kamala harris have such great plans for how _ harris have such great plans for how to address middle—class problems. — for how to address middle—class problems, she ought to do them now, _ problems, she ought to do them now. not— problems, she ought to do them now, not when asking for promotion, but in the job the american _ promotion, but in the job the american people gave her three and half— american people gave her three and half years ago. the fact she — and half years ago. the fact she isn't— and half years ago. the fact she isn't tells you a lot about how — she isn't tells you a lot about how much— she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her

actual— how much you can trust her actual plans. donald trump's economic— actual plans. donald trump's economic plan is notjust a plan — economic plan is notjust a plan but _ economic plan is notjust a plan but also a record. a lot of those _ plan but also a record. a lot of those same economists attacked donald trump's plans and they— attacked donald trump's plans and they have phds but they don't — and they have phds but they don't have common sense and wisdom — don't have common sense and wisdom. trump's economic policies _ wisdom. trump's economic policies delivered the highest take—home pay in a generation in this— take—home pay in a generation in this country, 1.5% inflation and — in this country, 1.5% inflation and peace _ in this country, 1.5% inflation and peace and security all over the world _ and peace and security all over the world. when people say his economic— the world. when people say his economic plan doesn't make sense, — economic plan doesn't make sense, i— economic plan doesn't make sense, i say, look at the record _ sense, i say, look at the record. he delivered rising take—home pay for american workers _ take—home pay for american workers. tim admirably admits they— workers. tim admirably admits they want— workers. tim admirably admits they want to undo the trump tax cuts, _ they want to undo the trump tax cuts but — they want to undo the trump tax cuts but if— they want to undo the trump tax cuts, but if you look at what was — cuts, but if you look at what was so _ cuts, but if you look at what was so different from previous republican tax cut plans, a lot of those — republican tax cut plans, a lot of those resources went to giving _ of those resources went to giving more take—home pay to middle—class and working—class americans. it was passed in 2017 — americans. it was passed in 2017 and _ americans. it was passed in 2017 and you saw an american economic— 2017 and you saw an american economic boom unlike we have seen _ economic boom unlike we have seen in — economic boom unlike we have seen in a — economic boom unlike we have seen in a generation. it's a record _ seen in a generation. it's a record i— seen in a generation. it's a record i am proud to run on and we will— record i am proud to run on and we will get _ record i am proud to run on and we will get back to the common—sense wisdom so that you

can afford _ common—sense wisdom so that you can afford to live the american dream — can afford to live the american dream again. i know a lot of you — dream again. i know a lot of you are _ dream again. i know a lot of you are struggling, worried about— you are struggling, worried about paying the bills, it's going _ about paying the bills, it's going to _ about paying the bills, it's going to stop when donald trump brings— going to stop when donald trump brings back common sense to this country. brings back common sense to this country-— brings back common sense to this country. what has kamala harris done — this country. what has kamala harris done the _ this country. what has kamala harris done the middle - this country. what has kamala harris done the middle class? | harris done the middle class? it was donald trump's failure on covid that led to so many out of work since the great depression, 9 millionjobs. the infrastructure act and other things... you said economists can't be trusted, science can't be trusted, national security books can't be trusted. if you are going to be president, you have to have the answers, donald trump believes he does. micro tip, if you need heart surgery, listen to the people at the clinic in rochester, minnesota, not donald trump. the same with this. i ask you, teachers, nurses, truck drivers, whatever, how is it fair you are paying your taxes every year and donald trump hasn't paid any federal tax in the last 15 years? that is what

is wrong with the system. we are just asking for fairness and that is all you want. you say trust the experts, but those same experts for 40 years said if— those same experts for 40 years said if we — those same experts for 40 years said if we shift our manufacturing base off to china. _ manufacturing base off to china, we would get cheaper goods. — china, we would get cheaper goods, they lied. they said if we shipped our industrial base to mexico and elsewhere it would _ to mexico and elsewhere it would make the middle—class longer. — would make the middle—class longer, they were wrong. they were _ longer, they were wrong. they were wrong about the idea that if we _ were wrong about the idea that if we made america less self—reliant, less productive self— reliant, less productive in self—reliant, less productive in our— self—reliant, less productive in our own nation, it would somehow— in our own nation, it would somehow make us better off and they were — somehow make us better off and they were wrong. for the first time — they were wrong. for the first time in — they were wrong. for the first time in a _ they were wrong. for the first time in a generation, donald trump — time in a generation, donald trump had the wisdom and courage _ trump had the wisdom and courage to say to that bipartisan consensus, we are not doing _ bipartisan consensus, we are not doing it any more. we are bringing — not doing it any more. we are bringing american manufacturing back. _ bringing american manufacturing back, unleashing american energy. _ back, unleashing american energy, we will make of our own stuff _ energy, we will make of our own stuff i— energy, we will make of our own stuff. i have three beautiful kids— stuff. i have three beautiful kids at— stuff. i have three beautiful kids at home, seven, four and two. _ kids at home, seven, four and two. i— kids at home, seven, four and two. i love _ kids at home, seven, four and two, i love them and i hope they— two, i love them and i hope they are _ two, i love them and i hope they are in bed right now. so

many— they are in bed right now. so many of— they are in bed right now. so many of the pharmaceuticals we put in _ many of the pharmaceuticals we put in the — many of the pharmaceuticals we put in the bodies of our children— put in the bodies of our children are manufactured by nations— children are manufactured by nations that hate us. it has to stop. — nations that hate us. it has to stop. and _ nations that hate us. it has to stop, and it won't stop by listening to experts, we are going — listening to experts, we are going to _ listening to experts, we are going to listen to common—sense wisdom _ going to listen to common—sense wisdom which is what donald trump — wisdom which is what donald trump governed off.- wisdom which is what donald trump governed off. voters say they trust _ trump governed off. voters say they trust donald _ trump governed off. voters say they trust donald trump - trump governed off. voters say they trust donald trump on - trump governed off. voters say they trust donald trump on the | they trust donald trump on the economy more, why? if they trust donald trump on the economy more, why?— economy more, why? if you're listenin: economy more, why? if you're listening to — economy more, why? if you're listening to night _ economy more, why? if you're listening to night and - economy more, why? if you're listening to night and you - economy more, why? if you'rej listening to night and you want billionaires to get tax cuts, you heard the numbers... look, i am a union guy, i am not a guy that wanted to ship things overseas, we produce soybeans and corn, we need their trading partners, we believe in that. the thing that most concerns me on this is donald trump was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in american history with china. so the rhetoric is good. much of what the senator said i am in agreement, i watched the senator said i am in agreement, iwatched it the senator said i am in agreement, i watched it happen too in my community. we have people undercutting the right to collectively bargain, like

to collectively bargain, like to work states made it more difficult, companies wanting to ship it over and we saw people traffic. folks that are venture capital in some cases, putting money into companies overseas. we agreed to bring it home, but donald trump is talking about it, kamala harris has a record, 250,000 more manufacturing jobs. if 250,000 more manufacturing “obs. , ., 250,000 more manufacturing 'obs. ., . 250,000 more manufacturing “obs. ., . ., jobs. if you notice what governor _ jobs. if you notice what governor walz - jobs. if you notice what governor walz just - jobs. if you notice what governor walz just did, jobs. if you notice what. governor walzjust did, he jobs. if you notice what - governor walzjust did, he said the first— governor walzjust did, he said the first of— governor walzjust did, he said the first of all donald trump has to— the first of all donald trump has to listen to the experts, and — has to listen to the experts, and then— has to listen to the experts, and then when he acknowledged the experts screwed up, he said donald — the experts screwed up, he said donald trump didn't do... no, that's not _ donald trump didn't do... no, that's not right. _ donald trump didn't do. .. no, that's not right. i _ donald trump didn't do... no, that's not right. i think - donald trump didn't do... no, that's not right. i think you - that's not right. i think you have a tough _ that's not right. i think you have a tough job _ that's not right. i think you have a tough job here, - that's not right. i think you have a tough job here, you that's not right. i think you - have a tough job here, you have have a toughjob here, you have to play— have a toughjob here, you have to play whack—a—mole and pretend _ to play whack—a—mole and pretend donald trump didn't deliver— pretend donald trump didn't deliver rising take—home pay, which — deliver rising take—home pay, which he _ deliver rising take—home pay, which he did, you have to pretend _ which he did, you have to pretend he didn't deliver low inflation, which he did. and you — inflation, which he did. and you simultaneously have to defend _ you simultaneously have to defend kamala harris's to close his economic record which has made — his economic record which has made gas. _ his economic record which has made gas, grocery and housing unaffordable for american citizens. i was raised by a woman— citizens. i was raised by a woman who would sometimes go

into medical debt so she could put food — into medical debt so she could put food on the table in our household. i know what it's like — household. i know what it's like to— household. i know what it's like to not be able to afford the things you need. we can do so much — the things you need. we can do so much better. to all of you watching. _ so much better. to all of you watching, we can get back to an america — watching, we can get back to an america that is affordable again. _ america that is affordable again, we just have to get back to common—sense economic principles. | to common-sense economic principles-— principles. i hope we have a conversation _ principles. i hope we have a conversation on _ principles. i hope we have a conversation on health - principles. i hope we have a| conversation on health care, then. ~ . . conversation on health care, then. . ., ., ., conversation on health care, then. ~ ., ., ., ., conversation on health care, then. . ., ., ., ., ., then. we have a lot to get to on many _ then. we have a lot to get to on many topics. _ then. we have a lot to get to on many topics, but - then. we have a lot to get to on many topics, but first - on many topics, but first personal qualifications. the vice president is often the last voice the president his before making consequential decisions. we want to ask about your leadership qualities. governor walz, you said you were in hong kong during the deadly tiananmen square protests in the spring of 1989. minnesota public radio and other outlets report that you actually didn't travel to asia until august of that year. can

you explain that discrepancy? and to the folks out there, look, i grew up in rural nebraska, a town of 400, a town you rode your bike with the bodies until the street lights came on, i'm proud of that, i joined the national guard at 17, worked on family farms, and then i used the gi bill to become a young teacher, passionate about it. my first yeari passionate about it. my first year i got an opportunity in the sum of 89 to travel to china, 35 years ago. —— with your buddies in the street. then i started a programme to take young people there, basketball teams, baseball teams, and we would go back and forth to china. the issue was to try and learn. my community knows who i am, they saw where i was act. i will be the first to tell you, i have poured my heart in my community and try to do the best i can, but i've

not been perfect. i am a knucklehead at times but it's always been about that. those same people elected me to congress for 12 years and i was one of the most bipartisan people there working on farm bills, veterans benefits. and then the people of minnesota were able to elect me to governor twice. so look, were able to elect me to governortwice. so look, my commitment has been from the beginning to make sure i am there for the people, to make sure i get this right. i will say more than anything, many times i will talk a lot and get caught up in the rhetoric. but being there, the impact it made, the difference it made in my life, i learned a lot about china. i hearthe my life, i learned a lot about china. i hear the critiques, my life, i learned a lot about china. i hearthe critiques, i would make the case donald trump should have come in one of those trips. i guarantee you

he wouldn't be . and : and he wouldn't . and he wouldn't start a trade and he wouldn't sta war . and he wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing. this is about trying to understand the world and do the best you can for your community, and then it's putting yourself out and letting folks understand what it is. my commitment to teaching, which i was good at, or being a good soldier, a good member of congress, those are the values people care about. just a follow—up, can you explain the discrepancy? all just a follow-up, can you explain the discrepancy? all i said was i _ explain the discrepancy? all i said was i got _ explain the discrepancy? all i said was i got there - explain the discrepancy? all i said was i got there this - said was i got there this summer and i misspoke, that's what i've said. i was in hong kong and china during the democracy protests. from that, i learned a lot about what needed to be in governance. senator vance, needed to be in governance. senatorvance, in needed to be in governance. senator vance, in 2016 you call your running mate donald trump unfit for the nation's highest office and you said he could be america's hitler. you have been asked many times and you have

said you regret those comments. and you voted for donald trump in 2020. the washington post reported new messages last week in which you also disparaged trump's economic record when he was president, quote, trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism. you are now his running mate and you have shifted many policy stances to align with his. if you become vice president, why should americans trust that you will give donald trump the advice he needs to hear, and notjust advice he needs to hear, and not just the advice advice he needs to hear, and notjust the advice he wants to hear? . notjust the advice he wants to hear? , ., . �* notjust the advice he wants to hear? , ., ., �* ., , hear? first of all, i've always been open- _ hear? first of all, i've always been open. sometimes - hear? first of all, i've always been open. sometimes i - been open. sometimes i disagreed with the president but i've _ disagreed with the president but i've been extremely open that— but i've been extremely open that i— but i've been extremely open that i was wrong about donald trump. — that i was wrong about donald trump, first of all because i believe _ trump, first of all because i believe some of the media stories— believe some of the media stories that turned out to be fabrications of his record, but most — fabrications of his record, but most importantly donald trump delivered for the american people _ delivered for the american people. rising wages and take—home pay, an economy that works— take—home pay, an economy that works for— take—home pay, an economy that works for normal americans, a

secure — works for normal americans, a secure southern border, a lot of things— secure southern border, a lot of things i— secure southern border, a lot of things i didn't think he'd be able _ of things i didn't think he'd be able to deliver. yeah, when you screw _ be able to deliver. yeah, when you screw up and misspeak and you screw up and misspeak and you get— you screw up and misspeak and you get something wrong and change — you get something wrong and change your mind, you ought to be honest— change your mind, you ought to be honest about it to the american people. that's why i've american people. that's why i've done _ american people. that's why i've done so many interviews, it's important to explain to the american people where i come — the american people where i come down on the issues and what — come down on the issues and what changed. you pointed to messages from 2020. i have been ektremely— messages from 2020. i have been extremely consistent, there are a lot— extremely consistent, there are a lot of— extremely consistent, there are a lot of things we could have done — a lot of things we could have done better in the first trump administration if congress did itsiob — administration if congress did itsiob i— administration if congress did itsjob. i have been a united states— itsjob. i have been a united states senator, i strongly believe — states senator, i strongly believe congress is notjust a high—class debating society, notjust— high—class debating society, notjust a forum high—class debating society, not just a forum to whine about problems. _ not just a forum to whine about problems, it is a forum to govern _ problems, it is a forum to govern. there were a lot of things— govern. there were a lot of things on— govern. there were a lot of things on the border, on terrorists for example, where

we could _ terrorists for example, where we could have done better if the republican congress and the democrats in congress had been a little _ democrats in congress had been a little better about how they govern — a little better about how they govern the country. they were so obsessed with impeaching donald — so obsessed with impeaching donald trump, they couldn't govern _ donald trump, they couldn't govern i— donald trump, they couldn't govern. i want to talk about this— govern. i want to talk about this issue _ govern. i want to talk about this issue in particular... to miss— this issue in particular... to missiust _ this issue in particular... to missjust accused us this issue in particular... to miss just accused us of this issue in particular... to missjust accused us of being a national— missjust accused us of being a national sales tax. you are probably— national sales tax. you are probably surprised to hear me trading — probably surprised to hear me trading joe biden, probably surprised to hear me tradingjoe biden, but the probably surprised to hear me trading joe biden, but the one thing — trading joe biden, but the one thing he — trading joe biden, but the one thing he did, he continued some trump _ thing he did, he continued some trump tariffs which protected american manufacturing. it is the most _ american manufacturing. it is the most pro—work part of the biden— the most pro—work part of the biden administration, it is the one issue _ biden administration, it is the one issue where kamala harris has run — one issue where kamala harris has run away from joe biden's record — has run away from joe biden's record if— has run away from joe biden's record. if you are trying to employ— record. if you are trying to employ slave labour at china at $3 a _ employ slave labour at china at $3 a day. — employ slave labour at china at $3 a day, you are going to undercut— $3 a day, you are going to undercut the wages of american workers — undercut the wages of american workers unless our country stands _ workers unless our country stands up for itself and says, you are — stands up for itself and says, you are not accessing our markets _ you are not accessing our markets unless you pay middle—class americans a fair wage — middle-class americans a fair wane. ., , ., . , wage. now reproductive rights. governor walz, _ wage. now reproductive rights. governor walz, after _ wage. now reproductive rights. governor walz, after roe - wage. now reproductive rights. governor walz, after roe vs - governor walz, after roe vs wade was overturned, you signed

a bill into law that made minnesota one of the least restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion. former president trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion, quote, in the ninth month is absolutely fine. yes or no, is that what you support?- absolutely fine. yes or no, is that what you support? that is not what the _ that what you support? that is not what the billy _ that what you support? that is not what the billy sable - that what you support? that is not what the billy sable says, | not what the billy sable says, but look, it's what is on everybody�*s mind. donald trump put this all into motion, he bragged about how great it was that he put the judges bragged about how great it was that he put thejudges in bragged about how great it was that he put the judges in an overturned roe vs wade, 52 years of personal autonomy. and then he tells us, 0, send it to then he tells us, 0, send it to the states, it's a beautiful thing. amanda, a young bride in texas, waiting for her child at 18 weeks, she has a complication, a tear in the membrane, she needs to go in. the medical care at that point needs to be decided by the doctor, and that would have

been an abortion, but in texas that would have put them in legaljeopardy. she went home, got sepsis, nearly died and may have difficulty now having children. in kentucky, a 12—year—old raped and impregnated by her stepfather. those are horrific. when asked, senator vance said two wrongs don't make a right. there is no right in this. with roe vs wade, we made sure we put women in charge of their health care. if you don't know an amanda or a hadley, you soon will. project 2025 will have a registry of pregnancies, it will make it more difficult if not impossible to get contraception and limit access if not eliminate access to infertility treatments. for so many listening, infertility treatment, fertility treatments are why i have a child. that is nobody else's business, but thatis nobody else's business, but that is what is proposed. the catch on this, the states will decide, what is right for texas

might not be right for washington. that is not how this works. it is basic human rights. we have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in texas, outpacing many other countries in the world. this is about health care. in minnesota we are ranked first in health care for a reason, we trust women and doctors. for a reason, we trust women and doctors-— for a reason, we trust women and doctors. will you create a federal pregnancy _ and doctors. will you create a federal pregnancy monitoring | federal pregnancy monitoring agency? federal pregnancy monitoring auen ? . , agency? certainly we won't, i know many — agency? certainly we won't, i know many americans - agency? certainly we won't, i know many americans don't i agency? certainly we won't, i - know many americans don't agree with us— know many americans don't agree with us on— know many americans don't agree with us on this topic. i grew up with us on this topic. i grew up in — with us on this topic. i grew up in a _ with us on this topic. i grew up in a working—class family and— up in a working—class family and i— up in a working—class family and i knew a lot of young women with unplanned pregnancies who decided — with unplanned pregnancies who decided to terminate the pregnancy is because they didn't— pregnancy is because they didn't feel they had other options. one of them is very dear— options. one of them is very dear to— options. one of them is very dear to me, i options. one of them is very dearto me, i know options. one of them is very dear to me, i know she options. one of them is very dearto me, i know she is watching _ dearto me, i know she is watching tonight, and i love you — watching tonight, and i love you... she told me something a couple — you... she told me something a couple of— you... she told me something a couple of years ago, she felt if she — couple of years ago, she felt if she hadn't had that

abortion, that it would have destroyed her life because she was in — destroyed her life because she was in an— destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship. what _ was in an abusive relationship. what i — was in an abusive relationship. what i take as a republican who proudly— what i take as a republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country and — innocent life in this country and protect the vulnerable, my party. — and protect the vulnerable, my party. we — and protect the vulnerable, my party, we have to do so much better— party, we have to do so much better a — party, we have to do so much better a job at owning the american people's trust back on this issue. — american people's trust back on this issue, where frankly they 'ust this issue, where frankly they just don't— this issue, where frankly they just don't trust us. that is one — just don't trust us. that is one of— just don't trust us. that is one of the things donald trump and i— one of the things donald trump and i endeavoured to do. i want the republican party to be close _ the republican party to be close family in the fullest sense _ close family in the fullest sense i— close family in the fullest sense. i want us to support fertility— sense. i want us to support fertility treatment and make it easier— fertility treatment and make it easier for mums to afford babies _ easier for mums to afford babies i— easier for mums to afford babies. i want to make it easier— babies. i want to make it easier for young families to afford — easier for young families to afford a _ easier for young families to afford a home, to afford a place _ afford a home, to afford a place to _ afford a home, to afford a place to raise that family. there _ place to raise that family. there is— place to raise that family. there is so much we can do on the public— there is so much we can do on the public policy front just to give — the public policy front just to give women more options. donald trump _ give women more options. donald trump has — give women more options. donald trump has been clear, on the

abortion— trump has been clear, on the abortion policy specifically, we have _ abortion policy specifically, we have a big country and it is diverse — we have a big country and it is diverse. california has a different viewpoint than georgia, which has a different viewpoint from arizona, and the proper— viewpoint from arizona, and the proper way to handle it, as messy— proper way to handle it, as messy as— proper way to handle it, as messy as democracy sometimes is, messy as democracy sometimes is. is _ messy as democracy sometimes is. is to— messy as democracy sometimes is. is to let _ messy as democracy sometimes is, is to let voters make these decisions. _ is, is to let voters make these decisions, let the individual states— decisions, let the individual states make their abortion policy~ _ states make their abortion policy~ i— states make their abortion policy. i think that makes the most — policy. i think that makes the most sense in a very big, diverse _ most sense in a very big, diverse and sometimes very messy— diverse and sometimes very messy and divided country. would _ messy and divided country. would you like to answer the question about restrictions? donald trump made the accusation that wasn't true about minnesota, well, let me tell you about the diverse state. the young woman named anne ba, she happened to be in georgia, a restrictive state. because of that, she had to travel a long distance to north carolina, to try and get care. amber died in thatjourney back and forth. the fact of the matter is, how can we as a

nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body, is determined on geography? there is a very real chance that amber, had she lived in minnesota, she would be alive today. that's why the restoration of roe vs wade... when you listen to vice president harris on this subject, and me, you hear us talking exactly the same. donald trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right, i agree with a lot of what senator vance said about what's happening, but his running mate does not and that is the problem. in running mate does not and that is the problem.— is the problem. in the past, ou is the problem. in the past, you have — is the problem. in the past, you have supported - is the problem. in the past, you have supported a - is the problem. in the past, i you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks. you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the united states the most barbaric pro—abortion regime anywhere in the entire world. why have you changed your position? first the entire world. why have you changed your position?- changed your position? first of all, i changed your position? first of all. i never _ changed your position? first of all, i never supported - changed your position? first of all, i never supported a - all, i never supported a national— all, i never supported a national ban, i did talk

about _ national ban, i did talk about... we have a partial growth _ about... we have a partial growth abortion ban in place at the federal level, i don't the federal level, idon't think— the federal level, i don't think anybody is trying to get rid of— think anybody is trying to get rid of that, i hope not, although i know the democrats have _ although i know the democrats have taken a radical pro—abortion stance. in the state — pro—abortion stance. in the state of— pro—abortion stance. in the state of ohio, we had a referendum in 2023, and the people — referendum in 2023, and the people voted overwhelmingly, by the way. — people voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position... what _ the way, against my position... what i — the way, against my position... what i learned from that, we have — what i learned from that, we have to — what i learned from that, we have to do a betterjob at winning _ have to do a betterjob at winning back trust. so many young — winning back trust. so many young women would love to have families— young women would love to have families and they also say an unplanned pregnancy as something that will destroy their— something that will destroy their livelihood, education, relationships. we have to earn people's— relationships. we have to earn people's trust back. that is why— people's trust back. that is why donald trump and i are committed to pursuing profamily policies. — committed to pursuing profamily policies, making child care more _ policies, making child care more accessible, fertility treatments more accessible, we have _ treatments more accessible, we have to — treatments more accessible, we have to do — treatments more accessible, we have to do a betterjob on that and that— have to do a betterjob on that and that is— have to do a betterjob on that and that is real leadership. i'm going to respond on the

pro—abortion piece, no, we are not, we are pro—women, to make your own choice. we know the implications of not doing that, women not given the care, physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing that care. as far as making sure we are educating children and giving them options, minnesota has one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates. we understand that, we know the options need to be available and we make that truth. we are and we make that truth. we are a top three states for the best place to raise children. to try and say we are pro—children but we don't like this or you guys are pro—abortion, that is not the case at all. we are pro—freedom for women to make choices, and kamala harris is making the case to make options for children more affordable, $6,000 child tax credit, but not on the back of making someone like amber drive 600

miles to get health care. i agree, amber should still be alive. — agree, amber should still be alive. a _ agree, amber should still be alive, a lot of people should still— alive, a lot of people should still be _ alive, a lot of people should still be alive and i wish that she — still be alive and i wish that she was _ still be alive and i wish that she was. you are free to disagree _ she was. you are free to disagree with me on this and explain — disagree with me on this and explain to me, but as i read the — explain to me, but as i read the minnesota law which you signed — the minnesota law which you signed into law, the statute, it says — signed into law, the statute, it says a _ signed into law, the statute, it says a doctor who presides over— it says a doctor who presides over an — it says a doctor who presides over an abortion when a baby survives. _ over an abortion when a baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide life—saving care to a baby who survives — life—saving care to a baby who survives a _ life—saving care to a baby who survives a botched late term abortion _ survives a botched late term abortion-— abortion. that is not true. that is fundamentally - proposing them in your budget, that is fundamentally barbaric... do you want to kamal. fundamentally that is fundamentally barbaric... do you want to force _ barbaric... do you want to force _ barbaric... do you want to force catholic hospitals to force catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their perform abortions against their will? _ perform abortions against their will? kamala harris has will? _ perform abortions against their will? kamala harris has supported suing catholic nuns. supported suing catholic nuns. we can— we can— supported suing catholic nuns. we can be _ supported suing catholic nuns. supported suing catholic nuns. we can be _ supported suing catholic nuns. we can be a big and diverse we can be a big and diverse countries _ we can be a big and diverse countries donald country and countries _ we can be a big and diverse countries donald country and make — make — countries donald country and make the country more pro—baby countries donald country and make the country more pro—baby and family... make the country more pro-baby and family... make the country more pro-baby and family- - -_ and family... this is a very simle and family- - -_ and family... this is a very simle and family... this is a very simple proposition, - and family... this is a very simple proposition, i and family... this is a very simple proposition, thesel and family... this is a very simple proposition, thesel and family... this is a very i simple proposition, these are and family... this is a very i simple proposition, these are

women'sdecisions to make about women'sdecisions to make about their health care, and the their health care, and the physicians who know best when physicians who know best when they need to do this. trying to they need to do this. trying to distort the way a law is distort the way a law is written to make a point, that written to make a point, that is not it. . . is not it. . . written to make a point, that is not it. ., , ., written to make a point, that is not it. ., , ., is not it. please tell me, what was i is not it. please tell me, what was i wrong — is not it. please tell me, what is not it. please tell me, what was i is not it. please tell me, what was i wrong — is not it. please tell me, what was i wrong about? _ was i wrong about? _ is not it. please tell me, what was i wrong about? i- is not it. please tell me, what is not it. please tell me, what was i wrong about? i- is not it. please tell me, what was i wrong about? i have - is not it. please tell me, what l was i wrong about? i have given this advice _ was i wrong about? i have i is not it. please tell me, what l was i wrong about? i have given this advice _ was i wrong about? i have given this advice on _ was i wrong about? i have given was i wrong about? i have given this advice on _ was i wrong about? i have given this advice on a _ was i wrong about? i have given this advice on a lot _ was i wrong about? i have given this advice on a _ was i wrong about? i have given this advice on a lot _ was i wrong about? i have given this advice on a lot of _ was i wrong about? i have given this advice on a lot of _ was i wrong about? i have given this advice on a lot of things, i this advice on a lot of things, it was fact check at the last this advice on a lot of things, i this advice on a lot of things, it was fact check at the last debate. the point is, there is debate. the point is, there is a continuation of these guys to a continuation these guys to try to tell women and get a continuation of these guys to try to tell women involved. i used this line, a continuation of these guys to try to tell i lomen a continuation of these guys to try to tell i used 1 a continuation of these guys to try to tell i used this line, involved. i used this line, mind your own business. things mind your own business. things work best when roe vs wade was work best when roe vs wade was in place. when we do a in place. when we do a restoration, that works best, restoration, that works best, that doesn't preclude us from that doesn't preclude us from increasing funding for children increasing funding for children or making sure that once the or making sure that once the child is born, in minnesota, child is born, in minnesota, they get meals, they get early they get meals, they get early childhood education. they get childhood education. they get health care. hiding behind, we health care. hiding behind, we are going to do all these other are going to do all these other things when you are not things when you are not

proposing them in your budget, proposing them in your budget, kamala harris kamala harris is proposing all those things to make life easier for families. those things to make life easierforfamilies. i those things to make life easier for families. i asked a secific easier for families. i asked a specific question _ easier for families. i asked a specific question and - easier for families. i asked a specific question and you i easier for families. i asked a i specific question and you gave me a — specific question and you gave me a slogan. specific question and you gave me a slogan-— me a slogan. that is not the case, me a slogan. that is not the case. that — me a slogan. that is not the case, that is _ me a slogan. that is not the case, that is not _ me a slogan. that is not the case, that is not what i me a slogan. that is not the case, that is not what it i me a slogan. that is not the. case, that is not what it says, it was fact checked with president trump. taste it was fact checked with president trump. we will be back with — president trump. we will be back with much _ president trump. we will be back with much more i president trump. we will be back with much more from i president trump. we will be i back with much more from this cbs vice—presidential debate in a moment.

welcome back to the cbs vice—presidential debate. we want to turn to america's gun violence epidemic. the leading

cause of death for children and teens in america is by firearms. senator vance, you oppose most gun legislation the democrats claim would curb gun violence. you oppose red flag gun laws and legislation to ban certain semiautomatic rifles including ar 15s. earlier this yearfor including ar 15s. earlier this year for the including ar 15s. earlier this yearfor the first time including ar 15s. earlier this year for the first time the parents of a school shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to ten years in prison. you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings? {lin could curb mass shootings? on that case. _ could curb mass shootings? on that case. l _ could curb mass shootings? on that case, i don't know the full— that case, i don't know the full details, i certainly trust local— full details, i certainly trust local law— full details, i certainly trust local law enforcement and authorities to make decisions. sometimes it'll be yes, sometimes no. the details really— sometimes no. the details really matter. for example, if a kid — really matter. for example, if a kid steals a gun, that's different than if a parent hands _ different than if a parent hands i _ different than if a parent hands i got a gun knowing their kid is _ hands i got a gun knowing their kid is potentially dangerous. i want — kid is potentially dangerous. i want to— kid is potentially dangerous. i want to speak as a father of three — want to speak as a father of three beautiful kids, our oldest _

three beautiful kids, our oldest is now in second grade. like _ oldest is now in second grade. like a — oldest is now in second grade. like a lot _ oldest is now in second grade. like a lot of parents, we send kids— like a lot of parents, we send kids to — like a lot of parents, we send kids to school with such hope and such _ kids to school with such hope and such joy and kids to school with such hope and suchjoy and pride at their little — and suchjoy and pride at their little faces on the first day of school. we know unfortunately that a lot of kids — unfortunately that a lot of kids will experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence. our hearts go out to the families affected by this terrible stuff and we have to do better. governor walz and i probably— do better. governor walz and i probably agree that we need to do better, the question is how we do — do better, the question is how we do it — do better, the question is how we do it. here is something that— we do it. here is something that bothers me and worries me about— that bothers me and worries me about this — that bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence. the gross majority, close — violence. the gross majority, close to _ violence. the gross majority, close to 90% on some statistics i close to 90% on some statistics i have _ close to 90% on some statistics i have seen, of the gun violence _ i have seen, of the gun violence in this country is committed with illegally obtained firearms. on that topic. _ obtained firearms. on that topic, we know thanks to kamala harris's _ topic, we know thanks to kamala harris's open border, we have seen — harris's open border, we have seen a — harris's open border, we have seen a massive influx in illegal— seen a massive influx in illegal guns run by the mexican drug _ illegal guns run by the mexican drug cartel. the amount of illegal— drug cartel. the amount of illegal guns in our country is

higher— illegal guns in our country is higher today than three and a half years ago. what do we do about— half years ago. what do we do about the _ half years ago. what do we do about the school, to protect kids? — about the school, to protect kids? i— about the school, to protect kids? i don't love the answer, because — kids? idon't love the answer, because i— kids? i don't love the answer, because i don't want my kids to id because i don't want my kids to go to— because i don't want my kids to go to school in a school that feels — go to school in a school that feels unsafe or with visible signs— feels unsafe or with visible signs of— feels unsafe or with visible signs of security, but unfortunately i think we have to increase security in schools. we have to make door is the _ schools. we have to make door is the a — schools. we have to make door is the a lot _ schools. we have to make door is the a lot better, make the doors — is the a lot better, make the doors and _ is the a lot better, make the doors and windows stronger. we have _ doors and windows stronger. we have to — doors and windows stronger. we have to increase school resource officers. the idea we can wave _ resource officers. the idea we can wave a _ resource officers. the idea we can wave a wand and take guns out of— can wave a wand and take guns out of the — can wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys, itiust — out of the hands of bad guys, itjust doesn't fit out of the hands of bad guys, it just doesn't fit with recent experience, we have to make schools— experience, we have to make schools safer and have some common _ schools safer and have some common sense solutions. a is a member of— common sense solutions. a is a member of congress _ common sense solutions. a is a member of congress i - common sense solutions. a is a member of congress i sat i common sense solutions. a is a member of congress i sat in i common sense solutions. a is a j member of congress i sat in my office surrounded by dozens of the sandy hook parents and they were looking at my seven—year—old's picture on the wall and their child was dead and they were asking us to do something. i am a hunter and and they were asking us to do something. iam a hunterand i

own firearms and the vice president is, and we understand the second amendment is there but the first responsibility is to kids to figure this out and in minnesota we have enacted enhanced red flag laws and background checks and we can start to get data but here is the problem, if we really want to solve it, we have folks that won't allow research to even be done on gun violence. and this idea that we should just live with it, and here's what i do think, this is a good start to the conversation. i hundred percent believe senator vance hates it when he sees it with these kids and it's him abhorrent and it breaks your heart but that's not far enough when we know there are things that work. i have spent time in finland and saw the schools and they do not have this happen, even though they have a high gun ownership rate in the country. there are reasonable things we can do to make a difference. it's not infringing on your second amendment on the idea that to have some of these

weapons out there just doesn't make any sense. kamala harris is an attorney general worked on this issue and she knows it's there. no one is trying to scaremonger and say we are taking your guns but i ask all of you out there, do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort? is that where we have to go? when we know there are countries around the world where their children are not practising these drills. they are being kids. we owe it to them to get a fix. these are things that should not be that difficult and you can still keep your fire arms and we can make a difference. if you are listening tonight, this breaks your heart. i listening tonight, this breaks your heart-— listening tonight, this breaks your heart. i didn't know your 17-year-old _ your heart. i didn't know your 17-year-old witnessed i your heart. i didn't know your 17-year-old witnessed the i 17—year—old witnessed the shooting and i appreciate that and christ have mercy. it is awful _ and christ have mercy. it is awful i _ and christ have mercy. it is awful. i appreciate what tim said — awful. i appreciate what tim said about finland because it illustrates some of the weird differences between our own country's _ differences between our own country's gun violence problem and first— country's gun violence problem and first of all, we have way higher— and first of all, we have way higher rates of mental health

abuse — higher rates of mental health abuse or— higher rates of mental health abuse or substance abuse, and way higher rates of depression and anxiety. we have a mental health— and anxiety. we have a mental health crisis in this country and — health crisis in this country and i— health crisis in this country and i don't think it's the whole _ and i don't think it's the whole reason we have a bad gun violence — whole reason we have a bad gun violence problem but it is a bil violence problem but it is a big piece _ violence problem but it is a big piece of it and another driver— big piece of it and another driver of— big piece of it and another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting kids, it doesn't earn as many— affecting kids, it doesn't earn as many headlines but is the terrible _ as many headlines but is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot— terrible gun violence problem in a lot of— terrible gun violence problem in a lot of our big cities and this— in a lot of our big cities and this is— in a lot of our big cities and this is why— in a lot of our big cities and this is why we have to empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys _ law enforcement to arrest the bad guys and put them away and take gun — bad guys and put them away and take gun offenders off the street _ take gun offenders off the street. there's a whole host of things— street. there's a whole host of things we _ street. there's a whole host of things we can do here but i do think— things we can do here but i do think in— things we can do here but i do think in our— things we can do here but i do think in our schools we have to talk— think in our schools we have to talk about _ think in our schools we have to talk about more security. governor you previously opposed an assault weapons ban but only later in your political career did you change your position, why are? i did you change your position, wh are? did you change your position, why are?— why are? i sat in the office with the — why are? i sat in the office with the sandy _ why are? i sat in the office with the sandy hook- why are? i sat in the office i with the sandy hook parents and i've seen it. i was an nra guy for a long time and i used to teach gun safety and i'm of an age where my shot was in my car so i can pheasant hunt after

football practice but it's not where we live today. but one of several things to mention on this, talking about cities, the number one where the most firearms deaths happen in minnesota are rural suicides and we have an epidemic of children getting guns and shooting themselves. we have and we should look at all of the issues. making sure folks have health care and all that but i want to be very careful, the idea of stigmatising mental health. just because you have a mental health issue doesn't mean you are violent on what we end up doing is looking for a scapegoat and sometimes it's just the guns. it's just the guns and there are things you can do about it. but i think this is a healthy conversation. i think there is a capacity to find solutions on this that work and protect the second amendment and to protect children, that is our priority. thank you, gentlemen. let's turn to the top contributor to inflation, the high cost of housing and rent. there is a shortage of more than 4 million

homes in the us and that contributes to the high housing crisis. the harris campaign promises a $25,000 down payment assistance for first time home—buyers and a $10,000 tax credit but also promised to build 3 million new homes. where are you building these homes and won't handing out that kind of moneyjust drive up that kind of moneyjust drive up prices higher? it’s that kind of money 'ust drive up prices higher?i up prices higher? it's not handing _ up prices higher? it's not handing out. _ up prices higher? it's not handing out. this - up prices higher? it's not handing out. this issue l up prices higher? it's not| handing out. this issue of housing, and i think those of you listening on this will see the problem we've had is we have a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity. it can be bought up, shifted, moved around, and those are not folks living in those houses, those of you listening tonight, that houses a big deal. i've bought and owned one house in my life and my mum still lives in the house i grew up in and whenl in the house i grew up in and when i think of a house i think of christmas services after midnight mass where you go with yourfamily. we need to make it more affordable and one of the things as i said, this

programme that the vice president is pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching this is something we are doing in minnesota from that lead. we in the state invested in making sure housing was the biggest investment we'd ever made and it starts to make it easier and we cut some of the red tape and local folks, we cannot do it at the federal level but local folks made it easier to build homes and i can tell all of you out there certainly for me, using the gi bill was one thing but a veterans home loan, the big thing about a veterans home loan is you don't have to pay the down payment. those are things that make a difference. you are going to pay it back and pay your mortgage. those are things we know in the long run, the appreciated value, the generational wealth is created from it, and i will give minneapolis as an example. is the one city we've seen the lowest inflation rates and a 12% increase in stock because we put some of these things in and we are implementing a state programme to make sure we get some of the down payment assistance. we get it back from people because he is what we

know. people with stable housing end up with stable jobs and people with stable housing have their kids able to get to school. all of those things in the long run end up saving money and that's the thing i think we should be able to find some common ground in. but we cannot blame immigrants for the only reason. that's not the case that is happening in many cities. the fact of the matter is we don't have enough naturally affordable housing that we can make sure the government is there to help kick it and create that pace. governor, your time is up. senator vance, as far as your campaign's position, the promises to seize federal land to build homes, remove regulation and provide tax breaks and cutback on immigration, which you say pushes up prices. where are you going to build all the new homes you are promising and what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief? you have two minutes. first of all tim you have two minutes. first of alltimiust — you have two minutes. first of all tim just said _ you have two minutes. first of all tim just said something i i all tim just said something i agree — all tim just said something i agree with. we don't want to

blame — agree with. we don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing _ blame immigrants for higher housing prices but we do want to blame _ housing prices but we do want to blame kamala harris for letting _ to blame kamala harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens _ letting in millions of illegal aliens in this country which drives— aliens in this country which drives up— aliens in this country which drives up costs. 25 million illegal— drives up costs. 25 million illegal aliens competing with americans for scarce homes is one _ americans for scarce homes is one of— americans for scarce homes is one of the _ americans for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers— one of the most significant drivers of home prices in the country— drivers of home prices in the country and why we have massive increases — country and why we have massive increases in — country and why we have massive increases in home prices that have — increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive — have happened right alongside massive increases in illegal alien— massive increases in illegal alien population is under kamala _ alien population is under kamala harris's leadership. tim mentioned a bunch of ideas and some _ mentioned a bunch of ideas and some of— mentioned a bunch of ideas and some of those ideas are halfway decent _ some of those ideas are halfway decent and some of them i disagree with but the most important thing here is kamala harris — important thing here is kamala harris is — important thing here is kamala harris is not running as a newcomer to politics. she is the sitting vice president. if she wants to enact all of these policies — she wants to enact all of these policies to make housing more affordable, i invite her to use the office _ affordable, i invite her to use the office that the american people _ the office that the american people already gave her and not sit around — people already gave her and not sit around campaign and do nothing _ sit around campaign and do nothing while americans find the american dream — americans find the american dream of— americans find the american dream of home ownership unaffordable. you asked what

would — unaffordable. you asked what would immediately change the equation for american citizens. if equation for american citizens. if you _ equation for american citizens. if you lower energy prices, as donald — if you lower energy prices, as donald trump says, drill baby drill. — donald trump says, drill baby drill. one _ donald trump says, drill baby drill, one of the biggest drivers— drill, one of the biggest drivers of housing costs is, think— drivers of housing costs is, think about, if a truck driver is paying _ think about, if a truck driver is paying 40% more for diesel, then— is paying 40% more for diesel, then the — is paying 40% more for diesel, then the lumber he is delivering to the job site to build — delivering to the job site to build a _ delivering to the job site to build a house will become a lot more _ build a house will become a lot more expensive and if we open up more expensive and if we open up american energy, you will -et up american energy, you will get immediate pricing relief for american citizens. notjust for american citizens. not just in for american citizens. notjust in housing _ for american citizens. notjust in housing that in a whole host of other— in housing that in a whole host of other economic goods. . senator— of other economic goods. . senator vance you have 23 seconds. senator vance you have 23 seconds-— senator vance you have 23 i seconds._ senator seconds. can i have it? senator where will _ seconds. can i have it? senator where will you _ seconds. can i have it? senator where will you see _ seconds. can i have it? senator where will you see is _ seconds. can i have it? senator where will you see is the i where will you see is the federal lands, can you clarify? donald trump said we had a lot of federal— donald trump said we had a lot of federal land not being used for anything, of federal land not being used foranything, not being of federal land not being used for anything, not being a national— for anything, not being a national park and they could be places— national park and they could be places we — national park and they could be places we build a lot of housing and i think we should be opening up building in this country _ be opening up building in this country. we have a lot of land that _ country. we have a lot of land that could _ country. we have a lot of land that could be used and a lot of

americans that need homes and we should — americans that need homes and we should be kicking out illegal— we should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for the homes and we should _ competing for the homes and we should be — competing for the homes and we should be building more homes for american citizens who deserve _ for american citizens who deserve to be here. senator, our deserve to be here. senator, your time — deserve to be here. senator, your time is _ deserve to be here. senator, your time is up. _ deserve to be here. senator, your time is up. governor, i l your time is up. governor, i want to let you respond to the allegation that the vice president is letting in migrants. {iii president is letting in migrants.— president is letting in miarants. �*, president is letting in miarants. , a ., migrants. of course, it's not true, migrants. of course, it's not true. and — migrants. of course, it's not true. and l _ migrants. of course, it's not true, and i aggressively- migrants. of course, it's not i true, and i aggressively agreed not to fact check but crossings are down compared to when donald trump left office but again it's blaming are not trying to find a solution. i was going to ask on the question, are we going to drill and build houses on the same federal land and when people hear federal land, federal land and when people hearfederal land, these federal land and when people hear federal land, these are important pieces of land in minnesota doesn't have a lot and i know in the western part of the country we do. there's not a lot of federal lands in and around minneapolis, for example, so the issue is i don't understand the federal land issue unless we see this, and i worry about this as someone who cares about national parks, and in minnesota we protect these things. we got about 20% of the world's fresh water and these lands protect and are therefore a reason and belong to all of

us but this is when you view housing on these things as commodities. there is a chance to make money and let's take the federal land and sell it to people for that. i think there's better ways to do this. we were able to refurbish houses in minnesota and that gets people in and i'm still on the fact on this, the economist, you said you don't like the economist, which economists are saying it's immigrants adding to the cost? your time is immigrants adding to the cost? yourtime is up, immigrants adding to the cost? your time is up, but senator, on that point, i would like for you to clarify that there are many contributing factors to high housing cost. what evidence do you have that migrants are part of this problem?— migrants are part of this roblem? , ., ., problem? there is a federal reserve study _ problem? there is a federal reserve study that - problem? there is a federal reserve study that we i problem? there is a federal reserve study that we are i problem? there is a federal- reserve study that we are happy to share — reserve study that we are happy to share after the debate and we will— to share after the debate and we will put up on social media that— we will put up on social media that really drills down on the connection between increase levels — connection between increase levels of _ connection between increase levels of migration, especially illegal— levels of migration, especially illegal immigration and high housing prices. of course that's— housing prices. of course that's not the entire driver of high — that's not the entire driver of high housing prices it's also the regulatory regime of kamala harris _ the regulatory regime of kamala harris. we are a country of

builders _ harris. we are a country of builders and doers and explorers but we increasingly have — explorers but we increasingly have a — explorers but we increasingly have a federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources and makes it harder— our resources and makes it harder to _ our resources and makes it harder to build things and wants— harder to build things and wants to throw people in jail for not — wants to throw people in jail for not doing everything exactly as kamala harris says they— exactly as kamala harris says they have to do it and what that — they have to do it and what that means is you have a lot of people — that means is you have a lot of people who would love to build homes — people who would love to build homes who are not able to build homes _ homes who are not able to build homes and i agree with tim walz. — homes and i agree with tim walz. we _ homes and i agree with tim walz, we should get out of the idea of— walz, we should get out of the idea of housing as a commodity but the — idea of housing as a commodity but the thing that has most turned _ but the thing that has most turned housing into a commodity is giving — turned housing into a commodity is giving it— turned housing into a commodity is giving it away to millions of millions of people who have no legal — of millions of people who have no legal right to be here. what are the federal _ no legal right to be here. what are the federal regulations? i are the federal regulations? you can quickly reply. i are the federal regulations? you can quickly reply.- you can quickly reply. i get this as a — you can quickly reply. i get this as a governor - you can quickly reply. i get this as a governor and i i you can quickly reply. i get i this as a governor and i don't necessarily disagree with that that in some places many of those are local and many are state and i don't know which is federal but whenever we talk regulations people think they can get rid of them and i think you want to be able to get out of your house and a fire. you want to make sure it is

fireproof and those type of things. so which are the regulations? the vice president is not responsible for those, congress rates those. gentlemen, we have a lot to get through. gentlemen, we have a lot to get throu~h. ., �* gentlemen, we have a lot to get throu~h. j ,, ., ., through. you're passionate about the _ through. you're passionate about the housing - through. you're passionate about the housing i - through. you're passionate about the housing i can i through. you're passionatel about the housing i can tell. one of the top problems facing americans as the high cost of health care. senator vance, at the last presidential debate, former president was asked about replacing the affordable care act and in response he said, i have concepts of the plan. since then you have talked about changing how chronically ill americans get health insurance. can you explain how that would work and can you guarantee americans with pre—existing conditions won't pay more? i give you two minutes. ~ . ., minutes. we will cover americans _ minutes. we will cover americans with - minutes. we will cover i americans with pre-existing americans with pre—existing conditions and a lot of my family— conditions and a lot of my family members have got health care and — family members have got health care and members of my family actually— care and members of my family actually got private health insurance for the first time and — insurance for the first time and switched off of medicaid

onto— and switched off of medicaid onto private insurance under donald — onto private insurance under donald trump's leadership and a lot of— donald trump's leadership and a lot of people have criticised the concepts of the plan remark but its _ the concepts of the plan remark but its simple common sense as tim walz— but its simple common sense as tim walz knows from 12 years in congress. — tim walz knows from 12 years in congress, you are not going to propose — congress, you are not going to propose a — congress, you are not going to propose a 900 page bill standing on a debate stage as it would — standing on a debate stage as it would bore everyone to tears and it _ it would bore everyone to tears and it wouldn't mean anything because — and it wouldn't mean anything because part of it is the give—and—take of bipartisan negotiation. when donald trump was president, and he has a record — was president, and he has a record to _ was president, and he has a record to be proud of, prescription drugs fail in 2018 for the — prescription drugs fail in 2018 for the first time in a very long — for the first time in a very long time but under kamala harris's _ long time but under kamala harris's leadership they are up about— harris's leadership they are up about 7%— harris's leadership they are up about 7% and under donald trump's _ about 7% and under donald trump's entire four years they were — trump's entire four years they were up— trump's entire four years they were up 1.5% and he introduced pricing — were up 1.5% and he introduced pricing transparency. you go into— pricing transparency. you go into a — pricing transparency. you go into a hospital and you try to buy something and nobody knows what it _ buy something and nobody knows what it actually costs and that price — what it actually costs and that price transparency will give american consumers a bit more choice _ american consumers a bit more choice and _ american consumers a bit more choice and drive down costs. we talked _ choice and drive down costs. we talked about the reinsurance regulations. donald trump has said if— regulations. donald trump has said if we — regulations. donald trump has said if we allow states to

experiment a bit on how to cover— experiment a bit on how to cover both the chronically ill and — cover both the chronically ill and the _ cover both the chronically ill and the non—chronically ill, it's not— and the non—chronically ill, it's notjust a plan, he actually— it's notjust a plan, he actually implemented some of these — actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the us, and you can make _ president of the us, and you can make a good argument that it salvaged obama care which was doing disastrously until donald _ was doing disastrously until donald trump came along. there is an— donald trump came along. there is an important point about president trump and you don't have _ president trump and you don't have to — president trump and you don't have to agree with everything he has — have to agree with everything he has ever said or done, but when — he has ever said or done, but when obamacare was crushing under— when obamacare was crushing under the _ when obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden on health care — regulatory burden on health care cost, donald trump could have _ care cost, donald trump could have destroyed the programme but he — have destroyed the programme but he worked in a bipartisan way— but he worked in a bipartisan way to— but he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure americans had access— way to ensure americans had access to _ way to ensure americans had access to affordable care. it's not perfect, of course in there so much — not perfect, of course in there so much more we can do but i think— so much more we can do but i think donald trump has earned the right— think donald trump has earned the right to put in place and better— the right to put in place and better health care policies and earned — better health care policies and earned it — better health care policies and earned it because he did it successfully the first time. here's _ successfully the first time. here's what being an old guy gives you some history. i was there at the creation of the

aca and the reason it's so important as i come from a major health care state, home of the mayo clinic, the medical alley, all of those, and we understand health care and it's why we are ranked first on affordability, accessibility and quality of health care and i know that under kamala harris more people are covered than before and for those of you listening, this is critical. donald trump all of a sudden wants you to go back and remember this, wants you to go back and rememberthis, he ran wants you to go back and remember this, he ran on the first thing he was doing on day one was to repeal obamacare. on day one he tried to sign an executive order to repeal the aca and he signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the aca but lost at the supreme court and he would have repealed the aca had it not been for the courage ofjohn mccain to save that bill. now fast forward, and what that means to you is you lose your pre—existing conditions and if you are sat at home with asthma, too bad, if you are a woman, probably not, bread yourfoot

if you are a woman, probably not, bread your foot during football, we might kick you out. your kids get kicked out when they are 26. kamala harris negotiated drug prices for the first time and with medicare we are having ten new drugs or come online. this issue, when donald trump said i've got a concept of a plan, it cracked me up as a fourth—grade teacher because my kids would have never given me that. but what senator vance just explained might be worse than a concept because what he explained his pre—obamacare and make it simple as possible because i've done this for a long time. what they are saying is, if you are healthy, why should you be paying more? so what they will do is let insurance companies pick who they ensure, and guess what happens? keep a premium and it's not much and they won't have to pay out to you but those of you a little older, little grey, you've got cancer, you are going to get kicked out of it and that is why the system didn't work. kamala harris will protect and enhance the aca.— kamala harris will protect and enhance the aca. senator, you have not yet — enhance the aca. senator, you have not yet explained - enhance the aca. senator, you have not yet explained how i enhance the aca. senator, you| have not yet explained how you would protect people with

pre—existing conditions or laid out the plan. we pre-existing conditions or laid out the plan-— pre-existing conditions or laid out the plan. we currently have laws and regulations _ out the plan. we currently have laws and regulations in - out the plan. we currently have laws and regulations in place i laws and regulations in place right— laws and regulations in place right now that protect people with pre—existing conditions and — with pre—existing conditions and we _ with pre—existing conditions and we want to keep those regulations in place but we also — regulations in place but we also want to make the health insurance marketplace function a little — insurance marketplace function a little bit better. what governor watts just said a little bit better. what governor wattsjust said is actually— governor wattsjust said is actually not true. a lot of happened and the reason obamacare crossed under its own weight— obamacare crossed under its own weight was that a lot of young and healthy people left the exchanges and donald trump helps — exchanges and donald trump helps address the problem and did so— helps address the problem and did so in— helps address the problem and did so in a way that preserved peoples — did so in a way that preserved peoples access to coverage you had pre—existing conditions but again. — had pre—existing conditions but again, something that these guys — again, something that these guys do _ again, something that these guys do is make a lot of claims about— guys do is make a lot of claims about if— guys do is make a lot of claims about if donald trump becomes president all of these terrible consequences well insua, but in reality. — consequences well insua, but in reality, donald trump was president and inflation was low and take—home pay was higher and take—home pay was higher and he — and take—home pay was higher and he saved to the very programme from a democratic administration that was collapsing and would have collapsed absent from his leadership. he did hisjob which _ leadership. he did hisjob which is _ leadership. he did hisjob which is government in a bipartisan way and get results

and not — bipartisan way and get results and notjust complain bipartisan way and get results and not just complain about problems but solve them. did enrolment — problems but solve them. d c enrolment under the problems but solve them. li c enrolment under the affordable care act go up under the trump administration? it is care act go up under the trump administration?— administration? it is higher now. people _ administration? it is higher now. people are _ administration? it is higher now. people are using i administration? it is higher now. people are using it. l administration? it is higher. now. people are using it. the system works. the question about young people or whatever, that's the end of all mandate piece and republicans fought tooth and nail saying americans should be free to do this. truth? should be free to do this. why is an individual— should be free to do this. why is an individual mandate not a good — is an individual mandate not a good idea _ is an individual mandate not a good idea because mackay think making — good idea because mackay think making sure you have the idea is make — making sure you have the idea is make sure the risk pool covers _ is make sure the risk pool covers everyone, and if it doesn't _ covers everyone, and if it doesn't then it collapses. you are asking _ doesn't then it collapses. you are asking pre-aca _ doesn't then it collapses. gm. are asking pre—aca how we get people out. people know they need to be on health care. people expect it to be there, and when we are able to make it, and we are making it this way, when we incentivise people to be on the market and help people who might not be able to afford it get there, and we make sure then when you get sick and old it's there for you. i heard people say, i don't want to buy into medicare but good luck buying health care when you get past 70. the

aca works and we can continue to do better and kamala harris did that and the way she made it better was negotiating the ten drugs on medicare for the first time in american history. i apologise, we're out of time and we have a number of subjects to discuss. let's talk about families and america. there is a childcare crisis in this country and the us is one of the very few developed countries in the world without a national paid leave programme for new parents. governor walz, you said if democrats win the white house and congress this is a day one priority for you. how long should employers be required to pay workers while they are home taking care of their newborns? you have two minutes. ~ ., , minutes. well, that is negotiable _ minutes. well, that is negotiable and i minutes. well, that is negotiable and that i minutes. well, that is negotiable and that is i minutes. well, that is - negotiable and that is how congress works but here is what the deal is. american sitting out there right now, you might work for a big company and we are at home in minute set to to some of the largest companies in kamala harris knows about

those in california and those companies provide paid family medical leave and it's because they are moral and they think it's a good thing that it keeps their employees healthy. we in minnesota past paid family medical leave and if you have a child, and i had to go back to work five days after my kids were born but this allows you to stay home a certain amount of time and we know it gets the child up to a better start in the family works better and they stay with their employers and we get more consistency so kamala harris has made it a priority and we implement it in minnesota and we saw growth and that's how you become a pro—business state but the negotiations on it, those big companies are able to offer it and those who don't have it, just imagine what happens if you get cancer. or your child gets sick. we know what happens. you end up staying home and in some places that means no paycheque because you have protection on that. this is the case of an economy that donald trump is said set for the wealthiest amongst us and is willing to give those tax

breaks to the wealthiest. he is willing to say bus to the unions up, do whatever but what we are saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us, so paid family medical leave, and i will tell you, go to the families of businesses and ask them. as far as childcare is on this, you have to take a both the supply and demand side and you can't expect the most important people in our lives to get paid the least of amount of money and we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business and make sure folks are able to pay for that. we were able to do it in minnesota and we were listed at the best state and we are still in crisis on this but a federal programme of paid family medical leave will enhance our workforce and families and make it easier to have the children you want. it easier to have the children you want-— it easier to have the children ou want. ,., ., i. you want. governor, your time is u -. you want. governor, your time is up. senator, _ you want. governor, your time is up. senator, do _ you want. governor, your time is up. senator, do you - you want. governor, your time is up. senator, do you supportj is up. senator, do you support a national paid leave programme and if so for how long should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they are

home taking care of their newborns? fix, home taking care of their newborns?— home taking care of their newborns? �* , ., , newborns? a number of my republican _ newborns? a number of my republican colleagues - newborns? a number of my republican colleagues and l newborns? a number of my - republican colleagues and some democrats have worked on the issue _ democrats have worked on the issue and — democrats have worked on the issue and i think there is a bipartisan solution because a lot of— bipartisan solution because a lot of us— bipartisan solution because a lot of us care about the issue. i speak— lot of us care about the issue. i speak from this very personally because i am married to a beautiful woman who is an incredible — to a beautiful woman who is an incredible woman to our three beautiful— incredible woman to our three beautiful kids but is a very brilliant _ beautiful kids but is a very brilliant corporate litigator and — brilliant corporate litigator and i'm _ brilliant corporate litigator and i'm so proud of her but being— and i'm so proud of her but being a— and i'm so proud of her but being a working mum, even for somebody— being a working mum, even for somebody with all the advantages, even of my wife is extraordinary difficult. she had — extraordinary difficult. she had access to paid family leave because — had access to paid family leave because she worked for a bigger company— because she worked for a bigger company but the cultural pressure on young families and especially young women makes it really— especially young women makes it really hard for people to choose _ really hard for people to choose the family model they want — choose the family model they want and a lot of young women would — want and a lot of young women would like _ want and a lot of young women would like to go back to work immediately and some would like to spend — immediately and some would like to spend a little time home with— to spend a little time home with the _ to spend a little time home with the kids and some would like to— with the kids and some would like to spend longer at home with— like to spend longer at home with the _ like to spend longer at home with the kids and we should have — with the kids and we should have a _ with the kids and we should have a family care model that makes — have a family care model that makes choice possible and i think— makes choice possible and i think it's _ makes choice possible and i think it's a really important substance of difference between donald _

substance of difference between donald trump and kamala harris's _ donald trump and kamala harris's approach and if you look— harris's approach and if you look at _ harris's approach and if you look at the federal programmes we have — look at the federal programmes we have that support paid family— we have that support paid family leave now, the community development block and another programme that spends money on the federal government, these programmes only go to one kind of child — programmes only go to one kind of child care model and let say you would _ of child care model and let say you would like your church to help — you would like your church to help you _ you would like your church to help you out with childcare and maybe — help you out with childcare and maybe you live in a rural area or urban _ maybe you live in a rural area or urban area and you would like — or urban area and you would like to— or urban area and you would like to get together with families in your neighbourhood to provide childcare in the way that makes the most sense but you don't— that makes the most sense but you don't get access to any of the federal money and we want to promote choice in how we deliver— to promote choice in how we deliver family care and promote childcare — deliver family care and promote childcare because it is unacceptable. tim and i have been — unacceptable. tim and i have been on _ unacceptable. tim and i have been on the campaign trail a lot in— been on the campaign trail a lot in the _ been on the campaign trail a lot in the last seven or eight weeks — lot in the last seven or eight weeks and one of the biggest complaints i hear from young families— complaints i hear from young families is people who feel like they do not have options, like they do not have options, like they— like they do not have options, like they are choosing between going _ like they are choosing between going to — like they are choosing between going to work or taking care of their— going to work or taking care of their kids _ going to work or taking care of their kids. that's an incredible burden to put on american families where —— and we are — american families where —— and we are the — american families where —— and we are the only country that does — we are the only country that does it— we are the only country that does it and i think we can do a lot better _ does it and i think we can do a lot better-— does it and i think we can do a lot better. senator, thank you. you've also _

lot better. senator, thank you. you've also said _ lot better. senator, thank you. you've also said many - lot better. senator, thank you. you've also said many things i you've also said many things about the american family. the federal reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on childcare as they do on housing each month. sol childcare as they do on housing each month. so i want to get your thoughts on this. president trump recently said, as much as childcare is talked about as being expensive, it's relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we will be taking in a. if president trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described, you have one minute. i credit that you have described, you have one minute.- you have one minute. i 'ust want to defend i you have one minute. i 'ust want to defend my i you have one minute. ijust want to defend my running | you have one minute. ijust- want to defend my running mate a little _ want to defend my running mate a little bit, what he said is that— a little bit, what he said is that we _ a little bit, what he said is that we would be taking in a lot of— that we would be taking in a lot of money by penalising companies for shipping jobs overseas and are penalising countries who employ slave labourers and ship their products back into our country and undercut the wages of american workers. it is the heart — american workers. it is the heart of— american workers. it is the heart of the donald trump economic plan, cut taxes for american _ economic plan, cut taxes for american workers and families and cut— american workers and families and cut taxes for businesses that— and cut taxes for businesses that are _ and cut taxes for businesses

that are hiring and building companies in the us but penalised companies and countries that are shipping jobs — countries that are shipping jobs overseas. that's the heart of the — jobs overseas. that's the heart of the economic proposal and what — of the economic proposal and what president trump is saying is that— what president trump is saying is that when we bring in the additional revenue with higher economic growth we will be able to provide paid family leave, childcare _ to provide paid family leave, childcare options that are viable _ childcare options that are viable and workable for a lot of american families. can you clarify how — of american families. can you clarify how that _ of american families. can you clarify how that will _ of american families. can you clarify how that will solve - of american families. can you clarify how that will solve the | clarify how that will solve the childcare shortage? because, as tim said, childcare shortage? because, as tim said. a _ childcare shortage? because, as tim said, a lot— childcare shortage? because, as tim said, a lot of— childcare shortage? because, as tim said, a lot of the _ tim said, a lot of the childcare shortage as we don't have _ childcare shortage as we don't have enough resources going into the — have enough resources going into the multiple people who could — into the multiple people who could be providing family care options — could be providing family care options and we will unfortunately have to spend more — unfortunately have to spend more money and we will have to induce _ more money and we will have to induce more people to want to provide — induce more people to want to provide childcare options for american families because the reason — american families because the reason it— american families because the reason it is so expensive right now— reason it is so expensive right now is— reason it is so expensive right now is you _ reason it is so expensive right now is you have way too few people — now is you have way too few people providing this essential service — people providing this essential service. _, ., people providing this essential service. ., . ., people providing this essential service. ., service. governor walz, your ticket also — service. governor walz, your ticket also has _ service. governor walz, your ticket also has some - service. governor walz, your| ticket also has some childcare tax credit proposals. do you think congress will agree to

the $6,000 credit for newborns and $3000 credit for children over the age of six as your campaign as promised? is it realistic? iii campaign as promised? is it realistic?— campaign as promised? is it realistic? , , , ., realistic? if these members of concress realistic? if these members of congress are _ realistic? if these members of congress are listening - realistic? if these members of congress are listening to - congress are listening to anybody, i can tell you, this is the biggest issue. everybody listening to night nose and i'm sure they were shocked to hear it's not that expensive and let's be clear, whether it is five or 6000, that pays about three or four months. let's be clear where we are at it's because we got out of the imbalance on this and we thought we would get by by not paying people and i don't think senator vance are not that far apart and i'm senator vance are not that far apartand i'm not senator vance are not that far apart and i'm not opposed on options and we have done scholarships and we need to be open to making the case but the issueis open to making the case but the issue is on the question you asked is, you are not going to pay for it with these tariffs is its adding another 4000 on the family and taking less, so not only do they not get the money to pay for that, they are $4000 and the whole. 50 i think theissue $4000 and the whole. 50 i think the issue here is those members of congress, i can't believe when i go to businesses, sure they will talk about taxes

sometimes but they will lead with childcare and with housing because we know with states like minnesota, we need more workers because the economy is growing but we need the workforce.— growing but we need the workforce. ., ., ,, , ., workforce. governor, thank you. let's workforce. governor, thank you. let's talk — workforce. governor, thank you. let's talk about _ workforce. governor, thank you. let's talk about the _ workforce. governor, thank you. let's talk about the state - workforce. governor, thank you. let's talk about the state of - let's talk about the state of democracy, the top issue for americans after the economy and inflation. after the 2020 election, president trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results. judges, including those appointed by president trump and other republican presidents, looked at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud. the governors of every state in the nation, republicans and democrats, certified the 2020 election results and sent a legal slate of electors to congress for january is the sixth. senator vance, you have said you would not have certified the last presidential election and would have asked the states to submit alternative electors. that has

been called unconstitutional and illegal. would you again seek to challenge this year's election results even if every governor certifies the results and i will give you two minutes.— and i will give you two minutes. , ., ., ~ minutes. first of all i think we are focused _ minutes. first of all i think we are focused on - minutes. first of all i think we are focused on the - minutes. first of all i think. we are focused on the future and — we are focused on the future and we — we are focused on the future and we need to solve the inflation crisis caused by kamala _ inflation crisis caused by kamala harris's policies and make — kamala harris's policies and make housing affordable and groceries affordable and that is what — groceries affordable and that is what we are focused on but to answer— is what we are focused on but to answer your question, what president _ to answer your question, what president trump has said that there — president trump has said that there were problems in 2020 and my own _ there were problems in 2020 and my own belief is that we should fight _ my own belief is that we should fight about those issues and debate _ fight about those issues and debate those issues peacefully in the — debate those issues peacefully in the public square and that is all— in the public square and that is all i've _ in the public square and that is all i've said and that's all that— is all i've said and that's all that donald trump has said. remember, he said on the 6th of january— remember, he said on the 6th of january the protesters ought to protest — january the protesters ought to protest peacefully on on january the 20th, joe biden became _ january the 20th, joe biden became president and donald trump — became president and donald trump left the white house and now of— trump left the white house and now of course unfortunately we have _ now of course unfortunately we have all — now of course unfortunately we have all of the negative policies that have come from the biden harris administration. i believe we have — administration. i believe we have a — administration. i believe we have a threat to democracy in this country but unfortunately

it is not — this country but unfortunately it is not the threat to democracy that kamala harris and tim — democracy that kamala harris and tim walz want to talk about, _ and tim walz want to talk about, it's the threat of censorship. it is americans casting _ censorship. it is americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics and bil disagreements over politics and big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens and kamala harris saying rather than _ and kamala harris saying rather than to— and kamala harris saying rather than to debate and persuade her fellow— than to debate and persuade her fellow americans she would like to censor— fellow americans she would like to censor people who engage in misinformation. i think that is a much — misinformation. i think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything we've seen _ democracy than anything we've seen in — democracy than anything we've seen in this country in the last— seen in this country in the last four— seen in this country in the last four years or 40 years. i'm — last four years or 40 years. i'm really— last four years or 40 years. i'm really proud, especially given— i'm really proud, especially given i_ i'm really proud, especially given i was raised by two lifelong _ given i was raised by two lifelong blue—collar democrats to have — lifelong blue—collar democrats to have the endorsement of bobby— to have the endorsement of bobby kennedyjunior, lifelong bobby kennedy junior, lifelong leaders — bobby kennedyjunior, lifelong leaders in the democratic coalition and of course they don't — coalition and of course they don't agree with me and donald trump — don't agree with me and donald trump on — don't agree with me and donald trump on every issue and we don't — trump on every issue and we don't have _ trump on every issue and we don't have to agree on every issue — don't have to agree on every issue but— don't have to agree on every issue but we are united behind a basic— issue but we are united behind a basic american first amendment principle that we ought — amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences and argue about them and persuade our fellow americans that kamala harris is engage in censorship at an industrial

scale _ censorship at an industrial scale. she did it during the reign — scale. she did it during the reign of— scale. she did it during the reign of send