democracy that kamala harris and tim — democracy that kamala harris and tim walz want to talk about, _ and tim walz want to talk about, it's the threat of censorship. it is americans casting _ censorship. it is americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics and bil disagreements over politics and big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens and kamala harris saying rather than _ and kamala harris saying rather than to— and kamala harris saying rather than to debate and persuade her fellow_ than to debate and persuade her fellow americans she would like to censor— fellow americans she would like to censor people who engage in misinformation. i think that is a much — misinformation. i think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything we've seen _ democracy than anything we've seen in — democracy than anything we've seen in this country in the last— seen in this country in the last four_ seen in this country in the last four years or 40 years. i'm — last four years or 40 years. i'm really— last four years or 40 years. i'm really proud, especially given— i'm really proud, especially given i_ i'm really proud, especially given i was raised by two lifelong _ given i was raised by two lifelong blue—collar democrats to have — lifelong blue—collar democrats to have the endorsement of bobby— to have the endorsement of bobby kennedyjunior, lifelong bobby kennedy junior, lifelong leaders — bobby kennedyjunior, lifelong leaders in the democratic coalition and of course they don't — coalition and of course they don't agree with me and donald trump — don't agree with me and donald trump on — don't agree with me and donald trump on every issue and we don't — trump on every issue and we don't have _ trump on every issue and we don't have to agree on every issue — don't have to agree on every issue but_ don't have to agree on every issue but we are united behind a llasic— issue but we are united behind a basic american first amendment principle that we ought — amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences and argue about them and persuade our fellow americans that kamala harris is engage in censorship at an industrial

scale _ censorship at an industrial scale. she did it during the reign — scale. she did it during the reign of— scale. she did it during the reign of send over a number of issues — reign of send over a number of issuesand— reign of send over a number of issues and that to me as a much bigger— issues and that to me as a much bigger threat to democracy than what _ bigger threat to democracy than what donald trump did —— during coronavirus _ i have enjoyed tonight's debate and there is a lot of commonality, and i am sympathetic to speaking on things. but this one is troubling to me. —— to miss speaking on things. i think we need to tell the story. donald trump, i don't think we can be the fog in the pot, and let the boiling water go up. he lost this election and he said he didn't. 140 police officers were beaten at the capitol that day, some with the american flag and some later died. it wasn'tjust there, in minnesota the group gathered on the estate grounds in saint paul and said we are marching to the governor's residents and the people there, there may be

casualties. the only person there was my son, crying. as they were chanting, hang mike pence, mike pence made the right decision. senator, it was adjudicated over and over. i work with kids, as a football coach i said, sometimes you want to win but democracy is bigger than winning an election. you shake hands and then you do everything you can to help the other side win. that is what was at stake. the thing i am most concerned about is, the idea that imprisoning your political opponents... already laying the groundwork for people not accepting this. a president's words matter. a president's words matter. people hear that. i think this issue or settling our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest about it, but to deny what happened onjanuary the 6th, the first time in american history that a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and

the peaceful transfer of power. and here we are four years later in the same boat. i will tell you this. when it is over, we need to shake hands, this election, and the winner needs to be the winner. this has got to be the winner. this has got to stop, it is tearing our country apart.— to stop, it is tearing our count aart. ,, . ., . . country apart. senator vance, did ou country apart. senator vance, did you want _ country apart. senator vance, did you want to _ country apart. senator vance, did you want to respond? - country apart. senator vance, i did you want to respond? look, tim, first _ did you want to respond? look, tim, first of _ did you want to respond? look, tim, first of all, _ did you want to respond? look, tim, first of all, it _ did you want to respond? look, tim, first of all, it is _ did you want to respond? look, tim, first of all, it is really - tim, first of all, it is really rich — tim, first of all, it is really rich for— tim, first of all, it is really rich for democratic leaders to say donald trump is a unique threat — say donald trump is a unique threat to— say donald trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on january— peacefully gave over power on january 20th, as we have done for 250 — january 20th, as we have done for 250 years in this country. we are — for 250 years in this country. we are going to shake hands after— we are going to shake hands after this— we are going to shake hands after this debate and this election, and of course i hope we will— election, and of course i hope we will win and i think we are going — we will win and i think we are going to _ we will win and i think we are going to win, but if tim walz is my— going to win, but if tim walz is my vice _ going to win, but if tim walz is my vice president he will have — is my vice president he will have my— is my vice president he will have my players and my best wishes — have my players and my best wishes and my help whenever he wants _ wishes and my help whenever he wants it — wishes and my help whenever he wants it. but we have to remember for years wants it. but we have to rememberforyears in wants it. but we have to remember for years in this country. _ remember for years in this country, the democrats to tested — country, the democrats to tested results. —— my prayers.

hillary— tested results. —— my prayers. hillary clinton said she had her election stolen because vladimir— her election stolen because vladimir putin bought facebook ads. vladimir putin bought facebook ads this — vladimir putin bought facebook ads. this has been going on for ads. this has been going on for a long — ads. this has been going on for a long time. if we want to say we need — a long time. if we want to say we need to respect the election result, — we need to respect the election result, i— we need to respect the election result, i am on board. but if we want _ result, i am on board. but if we want to— result, i am on board. but if we want to say it's just a problem _ we want to say it's just a problem publicans have had, i don't — problem publicans have had, i don't buy— problem publicans have had, i don't buy it. problem publicans have had, i don't buy it— don't buy it. january the 6th was not facebook _ don't buy it. january the 6th was not facebook ads, - don't buy it. january the 6th was not facebook ads, it. don't buy it. january the 6th was not facebook ads, it is| was not facebook ads, it is revisionist history on this. i don't understand how we got to this point, but the issue was that happened. donald trump did it. all of our say there is no place for this. it has massive repercussions. this idea that there is censorship to stop people from threatening to kill someone, that's not censorship. censorship is the banning of books. we have seen that brought up. i think for everyone tonight... i'm going to thank senator vance, i think this is the conversation they want to hear. i think there is a lot of agreement, but this is one where we are miles apart.

this was a threat to our democracy in a way we have not seen. and it manifested itself because of donald trump's inability to say... he is still saying he didn't lose the election. did he lose the 2020 election? ., election. did he lose the 2020 election? . , ., election? tim, i am focused on the future- _ election? tim, i am focused on the future. did _ election? tim, i am focused on the future. did kamala - election? tim, i am focused on the future. did kamala harris l the future. did kamala harris censor— the future. did kamala harris censor americans from speaking their— censor americans from speaking their mind — censor americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020— their mind in the wake of the 2020 covid situation? it is their mind in the wake of the 2020 covid situation?- 2020 covid situation? it is a damnin: 2020 covid situation? it is a damning non-answer. - 2020 covid situation? it is a damning non-answer. it - 2020 covid situation? it is a damning non-answer. it is l 2020 covid situation? it is a j damning non-answer. it is a damning _ damning non-answer. it is a damning non-answer- damning non-answer. it is a damning non-answer for- damning non-answer. it is a| damning non-answer for you damning non-answer. it is a - damning non-answer for you not damning non—answer for you not to talk— damning non—answer for you not to talk about censorship. i am happy— to talk about censorship. i am happy to— to talk about censorship. i am happy to talk about it further, but you — happy to talk about it further, but you guys attack us for not believing _ but you guys attack us for not believing in democracy. the most — believing in democracy. the most sacred right under the united _ most sacred right under the united states democracy is the first amendment. you yourself have _ first amendment. you yourself have said — first amendment. you yourself have said there is no first amendment right to misinformation. kamala harris wants— misinformation. kamala harris wants to — misinformation. kamala harris wants to use government and big tech to— wants to use government and big tech to silence people from speaking our minds, that is a threat — speaking our minds, that is a threat to— speaking our minds, that is a threat to democracy. i would like — threat to democracy. i would like democrats and republicans to both — like democrats and republicans to both reject censorship. let's _ to both reject censorship. let's persuade one another, lets — let's persuade one another, lets argue about ideas and then

let's come together afterwards. fire in _ let's come together afterwards. fire in a — let's come together afterwards. fire in a crowded theatre, that is the supreme court test. you wanted to _ is the supreme court test. you wanted to kick _ is the supreme court test. you wanted to kick people off facebook for saying toddlers... senator ~~ _ facebook for saying toddlers... senator- - -_ senator... that is criticising the policies _ senator... that is criticising the policies of _ senator... that is criticising the policies of the - senator... that is criticising - the policies of the government, which _ the policies of the government, which is — the policies of the government, which is the right of every american. which is the right of every american-— which is the right of every american. ,., ., ., , american. the governor does have the _ american. the governor does have the floor _ american. the governor does have the floor for _ american. the governor does have the floor for a _ american. the governor does have the floor for a minute i american. the governor does have the floor for a minute to respond. i have the floor for a minute to resond. ., �* ,, ., respond. i don't know facebook, but what i _ respond. i don't know facebook, but what i do _ respond. i don't know facebook, but what i do know _ respond. i don't know facebook, but what i do know is _ respond. i don't know facebook, but what i do know is i _ respond. i don't know facebook, but what i do know is i see - respond. i don't know facebook, but what i do know is i see a - but what i do know is i see a candidate out there who refused, and now again, i'm pretty shocked by this. he lost the election. this is not a debate, it's not anything anywhere other than in donald trump's world. because look, when mike pence made that decision to certify that election, that's why mike pence decision to certify that election, that's why mike pence isn't on this stage. what i am isn't on this stage. what i am concerned about is, where is concerned about is, where is the firewall with donald trump? the firewall with donald trump? where is the firewall, if he where is the firewall, if he knows he could do anything knows he could do anything

including taking an election, including taking an election, and his vice president's not and his vice president's not going to stand to it? that is going to stand to it? that is what we are asking you, what we are asking you, america. will you stand up and america. will you stand up and keep your oath of office, even keep your oath of office, even if the president doesn't? i if the president doesn't? i think kamala harris would think kamala harris would agree, she wouldn't have picked agree, she wouldn't have picked me if she didn't think i would me if she didn't think i would do that. because of course do that. because of course that's what we would do. so that's what we would do. so america, i think you have a america, i think you have a really clear choice on the really clear choice on the selection of who is going to selection of who is going to honour democracy and who is honour democracy and who is going to honour donald trump. going to honour donald trump. thank you, gentlemen. we will thank you, gentlemen. we will be right back with both of our be with both of our candidates. the cbs news be right back with both of our candidates. the cbs news vice—presidential debate continues.

welcome back to the cbs news vice—presidential debate. it is now time for the closing statements. senator vance won the virtual coin toss and elected to go last, so governor walz you are first, you have two minutes.— walz you are first, you have two minutes. . ,, , ., ,, . ., two minutes. thank you, senator vance and _ two minutes. thank you, senator vance and cbs _ two minutes. thank you, senator vance and cbs news, _ two minutes. thank you, senator vance and cbs news, and - two minutes. thank you, senator vance and cbs news, and most l vance and cbs news, and most importantly, thank you to all of you if you are still up, and the folks who missed dancing with the stars, i appreciate it. but look, democracy matters and it matters that you are here. i am as surprised as anybody of the coalition, lasalle kamala harris has built, bernie sanders, dick cheney and taylor swift. they don't agree on everything but they are truly optimistic people. they believe in the positive future of this country, one where politics can be better than it is. i have to tell you, betterthan be better than it is. i have to tell you, better than it is is the sense of optimism that there can be an opportunity economy that works for everyone, not just economy that works for everyone, notjust to get by,

but to get ahead. the idea that freedom really mean something. not the freedom of government to be in your bedroom and exam room, but the freedom for you to make choices about yourself. now look, we all know who donald trump is, he has told us, and as maya angelou says, believe him. he talked about american carnage, and then he spent four years trying to maybe do that. senator vance tonight made it clear, he will stand with donald trump's agenda, he will continue to push down that road. kamala harris gives us a different option. i have to tell you, i'm going to be careful about the quote, but once senator vance said that there with me. he said that there with me. he said donald trump makes the people i care about afraid. a lot as america feels that way. we don't need to be afraid. franklin roosevelt was right, all we have to fear is fear itself. kamala harris is bringing us a new way forward, a politics ofjoy, real solutions for the middle class and she is a you at the heart of that. all the while, asking

everyone, join this movement, make your voices heard, let's look for a new day where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive. i humbly ask for your vote on november the 5th for kamala harris.— vote on november the 5th for kamala harris. governor walz, thank you- _ kamala harris. governor walz, thank you. senator _ kamala harris. governor walz, thank you. senator vance, - kamala harris. governor walz, | thank you. senator vance, your closing statement. i thank you. senator vance, your closing statement.— closing statement. i want to thank governor _ closing statement. i want to thank governor walz, - closing statement. i want to thank governor walz, the i closing statement. i want to i thank governor walz, the folks at cbs — thank governor walz, the folks at cbs and at home. one of the issues — at cbs and at home. one of the issues we — at cbs and at home. one of the issues we didn't talk about was energy — issues we didn't talk about was energy. when i was being raised by my— energy. when i was being raised by my grandmother, when she didn't— by my grandmother, when she didn't have enough money to turn — didn't have enough money to turn on — didn't have enough money to turn on the heating at night, because _ turn on the heating at night, because 0hio gets pretty cold and money was often pretty tight — and money was often pretty tight as _ and money was often pretty tight. as a person who wants to be your— tight. as a person who wants to be your next vice president, i believe — be your next vice president, i believe we are a rich and prosperous enough country where every _ prosperous enough country where every american, rich or poor, ought — every american, rich or poor, ought to— every american, rich or poor, ought to be _ every american, rich or poor, ought to be able to turn on their— ought to be able to turn on their heat on a cold winter night~ _ their heat on a cold winter night. that has got more difficult _ night. that has got more difficult thanks to kamala harris's _ difficult thanks to kamala harris's energy policies. i

believe _ harris's energy policies. i believe whether you are rich or poor, _ believe whether you are rich or poor. you _ believe whether you are rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford — poor, you ought to be able to afford a — poor, you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family _ afford a nice meal for your family. that has got harder because _ family. that has got harder because of kamala harris's policies _ because of kamala harris's policies. i believe whether you are rich— policies. i believe whether you are rich or— policies. i believe whether you are rich or poor, you ought to be able — are rich or poor, you ought to be able to— are rich or poor, you ought to be able to buy a house and live in safe — be able to buy a house and live in safe neighbourhoods, to not have _ in safe neighbourhoods, to not have your— in safe neighbourhoods, to not have your communities flooded, and that— have your communities flooded, and that has all got harder because _ and that has all got harder because of kamala harris's policies _ because of kamala harris's policies. i have been in politics— policies. i have been in politics long enough to do what kamala — politics long enough to do what kamala harris does when she stands — kamala harris does when she stands before the american people _ stands before the american people and says, on day one, she is— people and says, on day one, she is going to work on all these _ she is going to work on all these challenges ijust listed. she has— these challenges ijust listed. she has been the vice president for three — she has been the vice president for three and a half years. day one was— for three and a half years. day one was 1400 days ago and her policies — one was 1400 days ago and her policies have made these problems worse. i believe we have — problems worse. i believe we have the _ problems worse. i believe we have the most beautiful country in the _ have the most beautiful country in the world. i meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford — the campaign trail who can't afford food but have the grace and generosity to ask me how i'm and generosity to ask me how i'm doing _ and generosity to ask me how i'm doing. to tell me they are playing — i'm doing. to tell me they are playing for my family. that has taught — playing for my family. that has taught me that we have the greatest country, the most beautiful country, the most incredible people anywhere in the world. but they are not going — the world. but they are not going to _ the world. but they are not going to be able to achieve their— going to be able to achieve their full dreams with the

broken _ their full dreams with the broken leadership we have in washington. they are not going to be _ washington. they are not going to be able to live their american dream if we do the same — american dream if we do the same thing we have been doing for the — same thing we have been doing for the last three and a half years _ for the last three and a half years. we need change, a new direction, _ years. we need change, a new direction, we need a president who— direction, we need a president who has— direction, we need a president who has already done this once before — who has already done this once before and did it well. please vote — before and did it well. please vote for— before and did it well. please vote for donald trump, and whether— vote for donald trump, and whether you vote for me or tim walz, _ whether you vote for me or tim walz. i— whether you vote for me or tim walz. ijust _ whether you vote for me or tim walz, ijust want to say, i'm so proud _ walz, ijust want to say, i'm so proud to be doing this, i'm rooting — so proud to be doing this, i'm rooting for— so proud to be doing this, i'm rooting for you, god bless you and good _ rooting for you, god bless you and good night.— rooting for you, god bless you and good night. thank you both for participating _ and good night. thank you both for participating in _ and good night. thank you both for participating in the - and good night. thank you both for participating in the only - for participating in the only vice—presidential debate of this election cycle. a reminder, there arejust this election cycle. a reminder, there are just 35 days until election day. please get out and vote, and from all of us at cbs news, thank you and good night.

you are live on bbc news. you have been watching a simulcast of the cbs news vice—presidential debate, featuring democratic candidate minnesota governor tim walz and the republican candidate ohio senatorjd vance. the debate lasted about an hour and 40 minutes, quite sparky at times but quite convivial at times as well. let me policy heavy, we saw a lot of exchanges about just what both candidates and both tickets stand for, what they are fighting for, and what they are fighting for, and what they are fighting for, and what they are asking the american voters to choose them for, to deliver for them voters to choose them for, to deliverfor them into voters to choose them for, to deliver for them into the voters to choose them for, to deliverfor them into the next presidential administration. they clashed on the predictable familiar issues on which they are so polarised. the economy, immigration and abortion. but there was plenty of agreement as well. there will be plenty

to chew over within the campaigns, and we will dojust that here on bbc news over the next hour or so. thank you for being with us. some immediate reaction now from a democratic strategist, former chief of staff to jaime harrison. we saw them handshaking at the end and exchanging more of a conversation like they wished this would go on. quite opposite to what we have become used to seeing in us politics. it was almost nice to see, it was a lot different than donald trump and joe biden three or four months ago, and very different from the debate with kamala harrisjust different from the debate with kamala harris just a different from the debate with kamala harrisjust a couple different from the debate with kamala harris just a couple of weeks ago. it was really nice to see, a lot of issues the american people care about, thoroughly talked about. a lot of policy on the table, both tim walz and jd vance were not shy to talk about policy, where they stand, where they want the country to go, where they

disagree. it was really nice to see them admit they agreed on certain things, we need that in america right now.— america right now. let's talk about your — america right now. let's talk about your guy. _ america right now. let's talk about your guy, tim - america right now. let's talk about your guy, tim walz, i america right now. let's talk i about your guy, tim walz, how did he do? was he slow out of the blocks at the start? i the blocks at the start? i think coach ultimately knocked it out of the ballpark, but he did fumble a couple of areas. i don't think he was as smooth and concise, but i do think senator vance had problems with honesty a couple of times. tim walz was authentic, honest, very forthright. he was very self revealing in some ways. i think that was really well received.— received. was there a particular— received. was there a particular strong - received. was there a | particular strong point received. was there a - particular strong point for him? ,, . . ,, him? several. the way he talked about abortion _ him? several. the way he talked about abortion and _ him? several. the way he talked about abortion and women's - about abortion and women's rights to choose. a lot of men in this country have a hard time having that conversation. tim walz showed us how to have that conversation. with friends, family members, co—workers. i also think the talk about his family, how open he was about his family, his

issues with his son, those things were very revealing about the sort of person he is. thirdly, his record as governor of minnesota, talking about jobs, housing, those were really strong points for him. you mentioned honesty in relation to jd you mentioned honesty in relation tojd vance. there was a question to tim walz about his recollection of the summer he spent in china when he said he spent in china when he said he was in tiananmen square and it turns out he wasn't. he said tonight, i misspoke. there was a very awkward long silence, could he have answered better? he could have been a bit more direct and upfront, but the reality is he did say he misspoke. i5 reality is he did say he misspoke.— reality is he did say he misspoke. reality is he did say he missoke. , . . ., misspoke. is that a good enough answer? is _ misspoke. is that a good enough answer? is misspeaking - misspoke. is that a good enough answer? is misspeaking what i misspoke. is that a good enough| answer? is misspeaking what you are calling lying? trio. answer? is misspeaking what you are calling lying?— are calling lying? no, ithink he admitted _ are calling lying? no, ithink he admitted that _ are calling lying? no, ithink he admitted that he - are calling lying? no, i think. he admitted that he misspoke, and he will have to talk about it for another couple of days and tell us why, and ask for our forgiveness. and tell us why, and ask for ourforgiveness. i think and tell us why, and ask for our forgiveness. i think he tried to do that today. but look, there are a lot of issues on the table right now, and thatis on the table right now, and that is not an issue that

american people think about and care about. they care about a lot of things around the economy, immigration, a woman's right to choose. so many things happening the world right now, in israel, gaza, with iran. i think a little misinterpretation of the past is not going to be a huge issue for that campaign. you mentioned _ for that campaign. you mentioned israel, - for that campaign. you mentioned israel, that| for that campaign. you - mentioned israel, that was for that campaign. you mentioned israel, that was the first question tonight and it was put to both candidates. would they support israel if they decided on a pre—emptive strike against iran, and he didn't answer, tim walz. yes, i don't think— didn't answer, tim walz. yes, i don't think he _ didn't answer, tim walz. yes, i don't think he wanted - didn't answer, tim walz. yes, i don't think he wanted to - didn't answer, tim walz. yes, i don't think he wanted to get i don't think he wanted to get ahead of kamala harris. joe biden and kamala harris are actively administering this country right now, actively working with israel and the palestinians and with the un on bringing a deal to the table. this is a very sensitive issue for someone actually in it right now, more so than former president trump and senator vance, so he wanted to be a bit more nuanced and careful, he didn't want to over speak the

vice president.— didn't want to over speak the vice president. there was quite an intense _ vice president. there was quite an intense exchange _ vice president. there was quite an intense exchange over- vice president. there was quite an intense exchange over the l an intense exchange over the issue of the economy, which as we know is the number one issue for almost all voters at the polls. jd vance put it to tim walz that if kamala harris and he have all these fantastic plans for the economy, for middle—class families, why have they not done it to date? it’s they not done it to date? it's a valid they not done it to date? it�*s a valid question. there are two answers. here is the thing, kamala harris is the vice president, not the president. you and i both know, at the end of the day, joe biden is making the decisions himself. it doesn't matter how much kamala harris councils joe doesn't matter how much kamala harris councilsjoe biden, he will make the decision himself. she is running for president right now so she can make her decision that she thinks are right for the country. it is a valid question to ask, but we have to be honest about it. she is not the president, not making the decisions right now. thanks forjoining us with your thoughts after the end of that debate. ~ ,,., ,

thoughts after the end of that debate-_ we - debate. absolutely. we mentioned _ debate. absolutely. we mentioned abortion - debate. absolutely. we i mentioned abortion there, debate. absolutely. we - mentioned abortion there, and jd vance says he believed in the state' rights and said the trump administration would be pro—fertility treatment. taste trump administration would be pro-fertility treatment. we had a referendum _ pro-fertility treatment. we had a referendum in _ pro-fertility treatment. we had a referendum in ohio _ pro-fertility treatment. we had a referendum in ohio in - pro-fertility treatment. we had a referendum in ohio in 2000 l a referendum in ohio in 2000 and 2023 _ a referendum in ohio in 2000 and 2023 and we voted overwhelmingly, by the way against _ overwhelmingly, by the way against my position. what i learned _ against my position. what i learned from that, we have to do a _ learned from that, we have to do a betterjob of winning back people's— do a betterjob of winning back people's trust, so many young women _ people's trust, so many young women would love to have families, they say an unplanned pregnancy is something that is going — pregnancy is something that is going to — pregnancy is something that is going to destroy their livelihood, their education, their— livelihood, their education, their relationships, and we have — their relationships, and we have got— their relationships, and we have got to earn people's trust back _ have got to earn people's trust back. that's why donald trump and i_ back. that's why donald trump and i are — back. that's why donald trump and i are committed to pursuing profamily— and i are committed to pursuing profamily policies, making child — profamily policies, making child care more accessible, fertility— child care more accessible, fertility treatments more accessible, we have to do a better— accessible, we have to do a betterjob at that and that is what — betterjob at that and that is what real leadership is. one abortion. — what real leadership is. one abortion, tim _ what real leadership is. one abortion, tim walz - what real leadership is. one: abortion, tim walz rejected the notion that reproductive health is better left up to the states. —— on abortion. is better left up to the states. -- on abortion. the catch all—

states. -- on abortion. the catch all on _ states. -- on abortion. the catch all on this _ states. -- on abortion. the catch all on this is, - states. -- on abortion. the catch all on this is, the - states. —— on abortion. i“i9 catch all on this is, the state will decide, what is right for texas might not be right for washington. that is not how this works, it is basic human rights. we have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in texas, outpacing many other countries in the world. this is about health care. the fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the light to control your own body, is determined on geography? —— the right to control your own body. the right to control your own bod . g :, , the right to control your own bod ., :, , , the right to control your own bod , , . the right to control your own bod ., :, , , . , body. joining us is a trump vance campaign _ body. joining us is a trumpj vance campaign surrogate. body. joining us is a trump - vance campaign surrogate. we were listening to some of the exchange over abortion that the two gentlemen had earlier. a part of the debate where it got heated and jd vance said the republican party has to earn back the trust of the party, that people don't trust the party. i that people don't trust the n a . :, that people don't trust the -a . :, .

that people don't trust the party. i do, and i think what jd was communicating - party. i do, and i think what i jd was communicating tonight, our country post roe vs wade is in a lot— our country post roe vs wade is in a lot of— our country post roe vs wade is in a lot of different camps. not — in a lot of different camps. not everybody is purely pro—life or pro—choice, a lot of grey— pro—life or pro—choice, a lot of grey area in between and it's going _ of grey area in between and it's going to take all parties to take _ it's going to take all parties to take the time to fully understand, educate and go to all these — understand, educate and go to all these issues, understand, educate and go to allthese issues, but understand, educate and go to all these issues, but he made a key point — all these issues, but he made a key point. talking about privatising families and babies. making sure they have the resources and the help they need _ the resources and the help they need to— the resources and the help they need to bring children into the world — need to bring children into the world and take care of them. that's— world and take care of them. that's a _ world and take care of them. that's a very important point. can they— that's a very important point. can they win back that trust? absolutely. first of all, this is not — absolutely. first of all, this is not about residential, it is a very— is not about residential, it is a very personal and emotional issues — a very personal and emotional issues it— a very personal and emotional issues. it is not about the presidential issue. frankly the emotions _ presidential issue. frankly the emotions women do go through on this issue. — emotions women do go through on this issue, to be weaponised for political purposes, we don't _ for political purposes, we don't like that. we are talking about— don't like that. we are talking about really going forward in our country to make sure we are

stepping _ our country to make sure we are stepping up to the plate to make _ stepping up to the plate to make sure women are getting all the help— make sure women are getting all the help they need when it comes— the help they need when it comes to bringing children into the world. comes to bringing children into the world-— the world. stepping back to our the world. stepping back to your broad _ the world. stepping back to your broad impression - the world. stepping back to your broad impression of i the world. stepping back to l your broad impression of how senator vance did tonight, what is your view?— is your view? look, i think you did a great _ is your view? look, i think you did a great job _ is your view? look, i think you did a great job tonight. - is your view? look, i think you did a great job tonight. it - is your view? look, i think you did a great job tonight. it was | did a greatjob tonight. it was a dominant performance, he demonstrated clearly that the policies — demonstrated clearly that the policies of donaldj trump are the policies we need to fix our nation, — the policies we need to fix our nation, get our borders are secure, _ nation, get our borders are secure, yet prices under control, _ secure, yet prices under control, have a thriving economy and move back to a position— economy and move back to a position where peace is breaking out around the world. he made — breaking out around the world. he made the clear contrast that it is the — he made the clear contrast that it is the policies of kamala harris _ it is the policies of kamala harris that have undone so much of that— harris that have undone so much of that progress. to me, the debate — of that progress. to me, the debate was clear. if you looked at the — debate was clear. if you looked at the body language, tim walz spent _ at the body language, tim walz spent a — at the body language, tim walz spent a lot of time nodding in agreement withjd vance. spent a lot of time nodding in agreement with jd vance. he agreed — agreement with jd vance. he agreed by affirmation his words about— agreed by affirmation his words about five different times. so the debate in my view was not close — the debate in my view was not close 0n _ the debate in my view was not close. on a broader level, this is what — close. on a broader level, this is what happens when you have

policy _ is what happens when you have policy versus rhetoric and talking _ policy versus rhetoric and talking points, the american people — talking points, the american people saw that tonight. jd people saw that tonight. jid, vance people saw that tonight. jd vance verbalised people saw that tonight. id vance verbalised at times, i agree with the governor. we said a moment ago, the tone of this debate was quite different to what we have seen in us politics in recent years, bipartisan agreement. i think s les bipartisan agreement. i think styles between _ bipartisan agreement. i think styles between candidates i bipartisan agreement. i think. styles between candidates tend to frame and make the debates. we are _ to frame and make the debates. we are at— to frame and make the debates. we are at a _ to frame and make the debates. we are at a time in our country where— we are at a time in our country where we— we are at a time in our country where we need serious, sober leadership. we don't need productions, we don't need talking _ productions, we don't need talking points, we don't need phrases _ talking points, we don't need phrases. many times in this debate, _ phrases. many times in this debate, jd vance pushed back on tim walz— debate, jd vance pushed back on tim walz because he wasn't talking _ tim walz because he wasn't talking about policy, he was putting _ talking about policy, he was putting out slogans and talking points — putting out slogans and talking points. jd vance talked about the policies of donald trump. why— the policies of donald trump. why they were successful when he was — why they were successful when he was president, and then the number— he was president, and then the number one question in the rest of this— number one question in the rest of this election... kamala harris _ of this election... kamala harris has been vice president for three — harris has been vice president for three and a half years, what — for three and a half years, what has _ for three and a half years, what has she done? how come she hasn't _ what has she done? how come she hasn't put — what has she done? how come she hasn't put in — what has she done? how come she hasn't put in these policies? the — hasn't put in these policies? the policies she has supported obviously have not worked for the american people. and obviously have not worked for the american people.- obviously have not worked for the american people. and he did ut that the american people. and he did put that to _ the american people. and he did put that to tim _ the american people. and he did

put that to tim walz. _ the american people. and he did put that to tim walz. another i put that to tim walz. another place they clashed significantly was over the 2020 election, january the 6th and so on. jd vance not answering directly that he thought donald trump had lost the 2020 election. trump had lost the 2020 election-— trump had lost the 2020 election. ~ , : election. well, i will punch back on — election. well, i will punch back on you _ election. well, i will punch back on you for _ election. well, i will punch back on you for the - election. well, i will punch i back on you for the moment, that— back on you for the moment, that wasn't the question... he said, do that wasn't the question... he said. do you — that wasn't the question... he: said, do you accept donald trump lost the 2020 election and he didn't answer, and eventually he said donald trump and i have a problem with that result. , :, and i have a problem with that result. , . . �* , result. listen, and that's true, result. listen, and that's true. i— result. listen, and that's true, i have _ result. listen, and that's true, i have a _ result. listen, and that's true, i have a problem i result. listen, and that's i true, i have a problem with that— true, i have a problem with that result, i have been very clear— that result, i have been very clear about that. i was on the floor— clear about that. i was on the floor for— clear about that. i was on the floor for january clear about that. i was on the floor forjanuary the 6th, i was — floor forjanuary the 6th, i was in _ floor forjanuary the 6th, i was in the building. but the real— was in the building. but the real issue in america today with— real issue in america today with democracy is the censorship from kamala harris and joe — censorship from kamala harris and joe biden. they used social media _ and joe biden. they used social media companies to weaponise the speech of the american people _ the speech of the american people during covid—19, during the massive push of vaccines on the massive push of vaccines on the american people. we know the american people. we know the press — the american people. we know the press has either been ignored _ the press has either been ignored by kamala harris and joe biden... we are watching

kamala — joe biden... we are watching kamala harris and tim walz ignore — kamala harris and tim walz ignore the press right now in this— ignore the press right now in this campaign, not explaining who— this campaign, not explaining who they— this campaign, not explaining who they are and the detail of their— who they are and the detail of their answers to the american people — their answers to the american people in— their answers to the american people. in my view, that is the biggest — people. in my view, that is the biggest threat to democracy. jd vance _ biggest threat to democracy. jd vance agrees and so does donald trump _ vance agrees and so does donald trum -. :, , , . vance agrees and so does donald trum. :, ,, . . vance agrees and so does donald trum. :, . trump. congress and, thanks as alwa s trump. congress and, thanks as always for— trump. congress and, thanks as always forjoining _ trump. congress and, thanks as always forjoining us _ trump. congress and, thanks as always forjoining us on - trump. congress and, thanks as always forjoining us on bbc - always forjoining us on bbc news. we are live in the cbs broadcast centre in new york where the first and only vice—presidential debate of this election cycle has just wrapped up. you're watching bbc news special coverage of the cbs news vice presidential debate. in a debate lasting just over an hour and 45 minutes, ohio senatorjd vance and minnesota governor tim walz spar over key issues like abortion, the economy, and immigration. the conflict in the middle east also taking centre stage — as israel and hezbollah trade strikes, each vice presidential candidate was asked how they would handle the rising influence of iran.

the very first question asked the candidates would support israel launching a pre—emptive strike on iran, but the focus quickly turned to one man — donald trump. what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter. it's clear, and the world saw it on that debate stage a few weeks ago, and nearly 80—year—old donald trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment. but it's notjust that. it's those that were closest to donald trump to understand how dangerous he is when the world is this dangerous. his chief of staff, john kelly, said he was the most flawed human being he'd ever met. and both of his secretaries of defence and his national security advisers said he should be nowhere near the white house. taste he should be nowhere near the white house.— white house. we have to remember— white house. we have to remember that _ white house. we have to remember that as - white house. we have to remember that as much l white house. we have to i remember that as much as governor— remember that as much as governor walzjust remember that as much as governor walz just accuse donald _ governor walz just accuse donald trump being an agent of chaos, — donald trump being an agent of chaos, donald trump actually developed —— delivered stability in the world and did

it by— stability in the world and did it by establishing effective deterrents. people were afraid of stepping out of line. iran, which — of stepping out of line. iran, which launched the attack, has received — which launched the attack, has received over $100 billion in on frozen assets thanks to the kamala — on frozen assets thanks to the kamala harris administration. what — kamala harris administration. what did _ kamala harris administration. what did they use the money for? — what did they use the money for? to— what did they use the money for? to buy weapons they are launching _ for? to buy weapons they are launching against our allies and — launching against our allies and god _ launching against our allies and god forbid, potentially launching against the united states— launching against the united states as well. members of both campaigns are flooding into the spin room. joining me now is co—chair of the harris—walz campaign, congresswoman jasmine crockett. thanks forjoining us here. good to see you.— thanks forjoining us here. good to see you. what is your first impression _ good to see you. what is your first impression of _ good to see you. what is your first impression of what - good to see you. what is your first impression of what you i first impression of what you saw tonight?— first impression of what you saw toniaht? :, . , . , saw tonight? yeah, i was really excited to _ saw tonight? yeah, i was really excited to see _ saw tonight? yeah, i was really excited to see the _ saw tonight? yeah, i was really excited to see the coach - saw tonight? yeah, i was really excited to see the coach reallyl excited to see the coach really show the world who he is which is a compassionate, thoughtful, really strong leader. this is someone who was able to elaborate not only on what he wants do but what he has been able to do and was able to come with facts and numbers about how his policies have worked to

a net positive in his state. unfortunately what we saw with jd vance he was having to defend his running mate, the presidential candidate a lot, and there's a lot of things that are indefensible, the fact that are indefensible, the fact that he is on the stage instead of mike pence tells you a lot about everything. the last question, we finally got to the nitty—gritty, about democracy in the way that vance was trying to sanitise january the 6th as if there was some false equivalence of anything he's ever seen. there is no other time in our history that we have seen anything like january the 6th. but the fact is literally they were screaming hang mike pence, and because of that and they decided he would certify the election, yes, there was not a peaceful transition, transfer of power but not peaceful and the only reason it wasn't peaceful is because of donald trump. people act like they forgot. this guy is facing federal charges right

now because of the actions he took on that day. i5 now because of the actions he took on that day.— took on that day. is that an issue though, _ took on that day. is that an issue though, that - took on that day. is that an issue though, that really i issue though, that really concerns voters? we see in all of the polls are voters that people actually say the economy, they care about whether they can feed their children or afford a home or put fuel in the car. i children or afford a home or put fuel in the car.— put fuel in the car. i think democracy _ put fuel in the car. i think democracy absolutely - put fuel in the car. i think. democracy absolutely does concern them. it depends on who you ask. i don't think any of us are living in a monolith. there are people that feel the stock market is looking well, and we hit a record high, so there are people saying the economy is the least of my worries, so it depends on who you are talking to. there are people who are also concerned at the top whether or not they are going to have to pay their fair share are going to have to pay their fairshare and are going to have to pay their fair share and then there are those that cannot afford childcare and those complaining about the cost of food and complaining about the cost of housing. i don't think you can wrap americans up into one thing they are looking for but i do know there's a lot of people concerned that we will experience the fall of our

democracy and if it falls in america, what happens to the rest of the world, because we are the world leaders. i think it's an issue and i appreciate they brought it up but they covered a lot of issues from health care to the border and women's reproduction... what was the high _ women's reproduction... what was the high point _ women's reproduction... what was the high point where - women's reproduction... what was the high point where tim l was the high point where tim walz did particularly well? with jd whilst trying to walz did particularly well? withjd whilst trying to dance around the affordable care act. the fact is the moderators brought out that donald trump says he has concepts of a plan and we know donald trump shut the government down, the longer shut down we've ever experience because he was so upset because he wanted to repeal the affordable care act and we know that project 2025 that mentions donald trump 312 times proposes getting rid of the affordable care act and jd vance says we won't get rid of your pre—existing conditions, it won't be an issue but we will explain how it is possible if you plan to repeal the

affordable care act and his answer was, there are laws on the books, in the form of the affordable care act so the idea he was dancing around it because they know it's that popular, i thought that was a point and also the reproductive stuff was really rich. he tried to dance and said we had to do better about talking about it. he said republicans don't have the trust of the american people on that issue. find the trust of the american people on that issue. and they shouldn't and _ people on that issue. and they shouldn't and they _ people on that issue. and they shouldn't and they shouldn't i shouldn't and they shouldn't have his either because even when he talked about ivf, the senate put the bill to a vote to protect ivf and you want to know howjd vance motocross maki voted against it. you want to talk about border security. you know how they voted when they put the bill on the floor? you voted against it. it sounds good to shop on a debate stage and talk about how you want to work in a bipartisan way and want to get things done, but when given an opportunity you didn't do it, and to be clear there were republicans that voted for both of those measures, but he was not one. on the broader issue, cbs news

our partners here have done a poll in advance of this and what most people wanted to get from the debate on they said they wanted to find out more about the candidates. who did a betterjob, do you think of telling the american people who they were. did tim walz introduce himself well enough? i think you did. i think from talking about his kids that he brought up more than once, and talking about evenjanuary the talking about even january the six. i didn't know that story about the fact that even at his state capital, and i was in the state capital, and i was in the state house at the same time in texas, we have more security than we ever had because there were threats being made in all state capitals, but about his child being at home with his dog and the fact that people had wanted to cause harm to them, that's awful. even when we started talking about how he modified his stance after he talked to the family of victims

of sandy hook. right? i didn't know anything about that. and honestly, he admitted, i'm a hunter, i'm a gun guy, but he was given a different perspective from those families that literally lost their children and it was really frustrating to hearjd vance saying we need stronger doors. all we need stronger laws, because that is ourjob, to enact legislation that will protect people, especially our kids. , :, , protect people, especially our kids. , ., ~ protect people, especially our kids. . ., , ~ ., ~ kids. jasmine crockett, thank ou for kids. jasmine crockett, thank you forjoining _ kids. jasmine crockett, thank you forjoining us. _ kids. jasmine crockett, thank you forjoining us. thank- kids. jasmine crockett, thank you forjoining us. thank you | you for “oining us. thank you for you forjoining us. thank you for having — you forjoining us. thank you for having me. _ now to my colleague, sumi somaskanda in dc great conversations here. i want to get some insights from my guests. with me is congresswoman annie kuster, democrat from new hampshire. and rodney davis, former republican congressman from illinois. what did you think of the debate? i what did you think of the debate? :, . , . debate? i thought it was great, very informative, _ debate? i thought it was great, very informative, and _ debate? i thought it was great, very informative, and i - debate? i thought it was great, very informative, and i thought| very informative, and i thought tim walz came across as very

experienced, and particularly strong talking about issues that he had experienced either incongruous or minnesota as governor but i think you came across with his values and, look, jd vance was very slick. i said at the outset we will see which jd i said at the outset we will see whichjd vance shows up and the slick, yale trained lawyer showed up. but when you are behind it as to what he was actually saying, over and over he was trying to distinguish himself from donald trump, from donald trump per person, donald trump's reckord, and i think you have to look at the authenticity of tim walz. it was right there, hand in glove with kamala harris stop this is who you can count on. this is what we will do. these are our values and we will legislate and govern according to these values. you will be safe with us and free with us. and you

will have a good quality of life. i will have a good quality of life. :, ,:, will have a good quality of life. :, . , life. i thought both candidates did what they _ life. i thought both candidates did what they had _ life. i thought both candidates did what they had to _ life. i thought both candidates did what they had to do - life. i thought both candidates did what they had to do and i did what they had to do and they— did what they had to do and they both came across a likeable and a lot more affable than _ likeable and a lot more affable than i — likeable and a lot more affable than i thought they both would but when you look at what jd vance — but when you look at what jd vance was able to portray to the american people about being this kid _ the american people about being this kid who grew up in the home _ this kid who grew up in the home of— this kid who grew up in the home of an addicted grandmother, this is somebody who achieved the american dream by being _ who achieved the american dream by being able to go out and tell his _ by being able to go out and tell his story, his family's story— tell his story, his family's story and go from rural america that has— story and go from rural america that has been ravaged by drug abuse — that has been ravaged by drug abuse and drug use and other issues — abuse and drug use and other issues and turn it into... he went— issues and turn it into... he went to _ issues and turn it into... he went to some community college in the _ went to some community college in the big — went to some community college in the big ten called ohio state, _ in the big ten called ohio state, so i can say that from illinois— state, so i can say that from illinois and then goes on to yale — illinois and then goes on to yale and _ illinois and then goes on to yale and becomes a successful entrepreneur. he is the epitome of what — entrepreneur. he is the epitome of what we want to see happen in america, and i think he was

able _ in america, and i think he was able to— in america, and i think he was able to really betray the economic messages and the difference between a trump advance ticket and inflation issues _ advance ticket and inflation issues and the impending port strike — issues and the impending port strike that will affect all americans versus kamala harris, who is— americans versus kamala harris, who is vice — americans versus kamala harris, who is vice president. we americans versus kamala harris, who is vice president.— who is vice president. we will come back — who is vice president. we will come back to _ who is vice president. we will come back to some _ who is vice president. we will come back to some of- who is vice president. we will come back to some of those i come back to some of those points but i want to get both of your takes on some of the body language and the way they spoke with each other and looked at each other because i kind of expected this to be one of those debates where you really see both canons taking the gloves off but they seem to have a lot of agreement. did that surprise you?— that surprise you? look, the midwestern _ that surprise you? look, the midwestern nice, _ that surprise you? look, the midwestern nice, that - that surprise you? look, the midwestern nice, that was i that surprise you? look, the i midwestern nice, that was nice, it didn't surprise me in the sense that there is a lot of common ground. what surprised me was thatjd vance was describing a world that is not the donald trump world. donald trump has brought this contested, contentious, combative approach into our

politics. rodney and i served together in the us house and we actually served with tim walz, and at that time, we were on the agriculture committee together, i was with tim on the veterans affairs committee and the republicans and democrats could come together and we could come together and we could work together solving challenging issues. we had to farm bills together and we had tim walz leading on the suicide prevention for veterans but donald trump brought a different style of politics. it was not on the stage tonight but the american people have to understand that is who they are voting for, no matter how nice jd vance can make it look, that is not who he is going to work for and the most important moment of the night was the closing about january the 6th. where are the guardrails? ifjd vance won't stand up to donald trump, we are all at risk.

rodney, to get your take on that before we listen to a clip of the debate, where you surprised by the agreement and nodding at each other? i surprised by the agreement and nodding at each other?- nodding at each other? i wasn't surprised- _ nodding at each other? i wasn't surprised. i'm _ nodding at each other? i wasn't surprised. i'm glad _ nodding at each other? i wasn't surprised. i'm glad the - surprised. i'm glad the american people get to see the republicans and democrats can disagree — republicans and democrats can disagree on policy but get along _ disagree on policy but get along when it comes to discussing those policies. what jd vance — discussing those policies. what jd vance described were the successes of donald trump. economically, low inflation, lower— economically, low inflation, lower in— economically, low inflation, lower in cost and prescription drug — lower in cost and prescription drug costs, they went down under— drug costs, they went down under donald trump and went up under— under donald trump and went up under kamala harris. | under donald trump and went up under kamala harris.— under kamala harris. i think we have a clip _ under kamala harris. i think we have a clip now _ under kamala harris. i think we have a clip now of _ under kamala harris. i think we have a clip now 0ij _ under kamala harris. i think we have a clip now 0ij vance - have a clip now ofjd vance accusing kamala harris of opening the floodgates of illegal migration by undoing the work donald trump did. kamala harris went out bragging that she — kamala harris went out bragging that she would undo the donald trump — that she would undo the donald trump border policy and did exactly— trump border policy and did exactly that. we had a record number— exactly that. we had a record number of illegal crossings and a record — number of illegal crossings and a record number of fentanyl coming _ a record number of fentanyl coming into our country and now she is— coming into our country and now she is running for president, or view— she is running for president, or view performance before, she said somehow she got religion

and cared a lot about a piece of legislation. the only thing she did — of legislation. the only thing she did when she became price resident — she did when she became price resident and became the appointed border tsar was to undo — appointed border tsar was to undo 94 _ appointed border tsar was to undo 94 donald trump executive actions _ undo 94 donald trump executive actions that opened the border. this problem is leading to massive _ this problem is leading to massive problems in the united states— massive problems in the united states of— massive problems in the united states of america. governor walz accused donald trump off tanking a bipartisan border security bill earlier this year, saying the former president did so for political reasons. he also argued mr trump failed at immigration policy in his first term. he had for years to do this, and he promised you, america, how easy it would be. i will build you a big, beautiful wall and mexico will pay for it. less than 2% of that wall got built in mexico didn't pay a dime, but here we are again, nine years after he came down the escalating, dehumanising people and telling them what he was going to do. as far as the deportation plan, at one point senator vance said it was so unworkable to be laughable, so

thatis unworkable to be laughable, so that is where we are at. pass the bill, she will sign it. we will get the panel take on that but i want to hand back because she is sitting down with new york congresswoman elise stefanik, chair of the house republican conference — the fourth—ranking house republican. thanks for being with us. what did you make of the debate there andjd did you make of the debate there and jd vance's performance.- there and jd vance's performance. this was an overwhelming, _ performance. this was an l overwhelming, dominating performance byjd vance at a vice presidential debate. i think you very effectively spoke to the american people and told his personal story which was growing up in very challenging circumstances and yet here he is as the nominee for vice president who has lived the american dream and achieved so much and is raising achieved so much and is raising a beautifulfamily and more importantly he talked about the issues that matter to voters across the country, the illegal immigration crisis, the border crisis, the inflation crisis and how they are a direct

result of the kamala harris failed policies. we 'ust listen to a pure h failed policies. we 'ust listen to a little of_ failed policies. we 'ust listen to a little of the _ failed policies. we just listen to a little of the exchange i failed policies. we just listen to a little of the exchange on immigration which is one of the sparky points, which kept turning to the issue when discussing other matters like housing and it was put to jd vance by tim walz that it was donald trump and the republicans who had slowed down fixing that situation at the border and blocking the bill that came to the house earlier this year. that came to the house earlier this year-— this year. certainly that's not the case and _ this year. certainly that's not the case and when _ this year. certainly that's not the case and when you - this year. certainly that's not the case and when you look. this year. certainly that's notl the case and when you look at the case and when you look at the executive actionsjoe biden tug on his first day in office with kamala harris as the open border tsar, there were 94 executive actions that wiped away the effective border security policies under president donaldj trump and we had the most secure border under president trump and the reason why we had this mass illegal migrant crisis is because of kamala harris's role asjoe biden's open border tsar and the infectivity of action is taken. with the stroke of a pen, with the support of kamala harris, they can address the

legal crisis and they have not done so and i think the really important point in one of the segments on the border crisis and the illegal immigration crisis was they were talking about the issue of minors, and importantlyjd vance, which the new york times has reported and it's been reported extensively, it's been reported extensively, it's under kamala harris's what's that over 300,000 miners have been lost by the biden harris administration department of homeland security, lost into sex trafficking, and they do not know where these miners are and thatis know where these miners are and that is a humanitarian disaster and it is because ofjoe biden and it is because ofjoe biden and kamala harris's failures. they also discuss the issue of gun control and school shootings and when they were debating that, jd vance said the answer was to put better locks on the doors and make better stronger windows and doors and there was nothing that could be done about the guns. is that an answer that will be welcomed by parents? it is an answerand will be welcomed by parents? it is an answer and parents overwhelmingly support school

resource officers, law enforcement officers in schools. enforcement officers in schools-— enforcement officers in schools. �* :, ~ enforcement officers in schools. �* .~ , schools. but making the doors unlocked stronger? _ schools. but making the doorsl unlocked stronger? absolutely, arents unlocked stronger? absolutely, parents want — unlocked stronger? absolutely, parents want schools _ unlocked stronger? absolutely, parents want schools to - unlocked stronger? absolutely, parents want schools to be - parents want schools to be secure and jd vance talked about the importance of increasing support for mental health crisis which is at an epidemic level among young people and among society today so clearly that's an issue that we have to tackle as well and address the root causes of the lack of mental health but school resource officers, this is an issue whether you are in an urban district overwhelmingly, parents and community support that and i can speak to it from my district for every county sheriff, republican or democrat supports the resource officers because the community support school resource officers. the debate began _ school resource officers. the debate began with the first question of the global issue are today, the situation in israel and the hundred and 81 rockets launched from iran into israel and both men were asked if they would support israel if they came to the us to do a pre—emptive strike into iran

andjd vance pre—emptive strike into iran and jd vance did pre—emptive strike into iran andjd vance did not pre—emptive strike into iran and jd vance did not answer the question. and jd vance did not answer the cuestion. , , . , . question. president trump has a crystal-clear _ question. president trump has a crystal-clear wreck _ question. president trump has a crystal-clear wreck of _ question. president trump has a crystal-clear wreck of a - crystal—clear wreck of a standing side by side with israel and its important to take a step back and president from communicated that today with his statement that we would have never been in the situation under president trump's leadership and you have the result ofjoe biden and kamala harris's appeasement of iran giving over $100 billion to prop up the iranian regime which has funded hamas and the hypersonic ballistic missiles that were launched into israel today, so it's a direct result of the failure of foreign policy uncertainty president trump is going to bring peace through strength to the oval office, as he did during his first four years in the peace we had specifically in the middle east, that was historic under president trump, the abraham accords, the first normalisation between israel and arab countries and over 50 years was an extraordinary achievement and that is why this week foreign policy has had such a negative impact. but

the situation _ had such a negative impact. but the situation is where israel is, and that is the way it was framed tonight so why did he not answer? is there a position on that or it's adapted donald trump to decide?— trump to decide? how is republican _ trump to decide? how is republican support - trump to decide? how is republican support the l trump to decide? how is - republican support the israel's right and president trump, to defend itself existentially when it comes to the commander—in—chief, when president trump was elected, i believe he's going to deliver peace through strength and that is whatjd vance talked about when he was asked today. thea;r when he was asked today. they clashed on _ when he was asked today. they clashed on a — when he was asked today. they clashed on a lot _ when he was asked today. they clashed on a lot of— when he was asked today. they clashed on a lot of issues - when he was asked today. they clashed on a lot of issues as i clashed on a lot of issues as predicted but they were in agreement on a lot of them and there was a warm body language exchange between them and they stood at the end chatting. so did you expect to see that given what we have become used to in american politics? you know, i think _ to in american politics? you know, i think we _ to in american politics? you know, i think we have - to in american politics? gm. know, i think we have two individuals from the midwest to try to bring their best and i thinkjd vance dominated the debate and in so much more than he needed to do tonight. i aptly think it will move the numbers in the direction of president trump and jd vance so

i'd be interested to see the numbers and i think they will continue to move in the republican direction and that's because he spoke directly to the american people. it because he spoke directly to the american people.- because he spoke directly to the american people. it will be a coule the american people. it will be a coople of _ the american people. it will be a couple of days _ the american people. it will be a couple of days before - the american people. it will be a couple of days before we - the american people. it will be | a couple of days before we have the poll numbers. thanks for joining us. the poll numbers. thanks for joining us— the poll numbers. thanks for “oinin us. :, : now to my colleague sumi somaskanda in dc. we will talk more about the points with our panel but i want to talk to my colleague. with me is bbc verify�*s merlyn thomas to look at some of the facts behind this debate. they've been looking at some of the statements made during the debate tonight, so tell us what you found. taste debate tonight, so tell us what you found-— you found. we have been alive fact checking _ you found. we have been alive fact checking the _ you found. we have been alive fact checking the debate - you found. we have been alive fact checking the debate and l you found. we have been alive fact checking the debate and it was very policy heavy so lots to get into. and they talked about lots of things whether that be immigration, the economy on one particular point they looked at a lot was abortion and tim walz spoke about what a trump france presidency would mean for women and he claimed that their project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies. this

is misleading. there is no evidence donald trump is planning to do this and separately project 2025 refers to a document that is is a list of right—wing policies by the ultra conservative heritage foundation and it kind of reads as a wish list for the trump presidency to implement and democrats have repeatedly tried to link donald trump to this but he has denied having anything to do it. tim walz seem to refer to a section that says authorities in the states should have more data about abortions occurring across the states but nowhere in the document doesn't refer to a particularfederal agency to particular federal agency to register pregnancies. the moderator did later challenge jd vance, would you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency and he said no. it’s agency and he said no. it's certainly — agency and he said no. it's certainly a _ agency and he said no. it's certainly a big _ agency and he said no. it's certainly a big crossover between the heritage foundation and donald trump's campaign, but as you said, that's an interesting point. were there any other topics you guys

looked into that you thought were important to clarify? yes. were important to clarify? yes, another topic— were important to clarify? yes, another topic they _ were important to clarify? yes, another topic they talked - were important to clarify? i9: another topic they talked about another topic they talked about a lot was immigration. andjd vance criticised harris's record on immigration and said we have 20 up to 25 million illegal aliens who are here in the country. he didn't say where he got the numberfrom and he didn't provide a timeframe for it either but this number is far higher than the number of encounters with migrants recorded by border officials in the us. under the biden administration, what we do know about the numbers is since january 2021 there have been more than 10 million encounters at the us borders and these are numbers which have risen to record levels but not the levels jd vance just claimed in the debate. it's important to say that these figures might have counted someone multiple times and not everyone who comes in continues to stay in the us which is important to say but these are all topics we continue to fact

check alive and there's more for us to get into. taste check alive and there's more for us to get into.— check alive and there's more for us to get into. we will can definitely _ for us to get into. we will can definitely check _ for us to get into. we will can definitely check out _ for us to get into. we will can definitely check out all - for us to get into. we will can definitely check out all of - definitely check out all of that on the website and i want to bring in our panel and have a few minutes before we take a break and sorry to cut short asking in a minute, on immigration as we did the sound bites earlier, who had the better messaging on this? i think it was tim walz, and the reason being thatjd vance has literally voted against these proposals. it was a bipartisan bill and senator langford, conservative, negotiated the bill, republican and what it would have done is increase the border patrol and stop the fentanyl border patrol and stop the fenta nyl from border patrol and stop the fentanyl from flowing into the country. jd vance has not supported that bill and it was donald trump who said it should not happen. and the only correction i would make about the project 2025, if i could is that jd the project 2025, if i could is thatjd vance literally wrote the introduction to, so it's important to say that is their plan and tim walz was strong, not only on immigration but

also an abortion.— not only on immigration but. also an abortion.- jd also an abortion. rodney? jd vance clearly _ also an abortion. rodney? jd vance clearly won _ also an abortion. rodney? jd vance clearly won the - vance clearly won the immigration debate and tim walz revolted — immigration debate and tim walz revolted against a good compromise immigration bill when — compromise immigration bill when he _ compromise immigration bill when he was in congress with us and it— when he was in congress with us and it would have pre—funded a border— and it would have pre—funded a border wall that could have been — border wall that could have been built more than 2% and fixed — been built more than 2% and fixed the _ been built more than 2% and fixed the dream issues that many— fixed the dream issues that many in _ fixed the dream issues that many in the country face and it would — many in the country face and it would have fixed the broken legal — would have fixed the broken legal immigration system and when — legal immigration system and when we _ legal immigration system and when we talk about immigration, we are _ when we talk about immigration, we are talking about 10 million versus— we are talking about 10 million versus 25— we are talking about 10 million versus 25 million, let's stick with— versus 25 million, let's stick with ten— versus 25 million, let's stick with ten million and let's say a million _ with ten million and let's say a million went back, 9 million here~ — a million went back, 9 million here. that's the size of the city— here. that's the size of the city of— here. that's the size of the city of chicago and that is a problem _ city of chicago and that is a problem-— city of chicago and that is a roblem. . , . :, problem. certainly immigration is very hot _ problem. certainly immigration is very hot topic _ problem. certainly immigration is very hot topic and _ problem. certainly immigration is very hot topic and they - is very hot topic and they talked about a number of issues like abortion and the economy and there is a lot more that we dug into from the verify team so people can look through that. we will talk a bit more about the issues on the other of the break, but certainly you can go to our website to get the latest and we will continue our special coverage and take a short break but we will come back and hear more from

catriona on the floor in new york where she will have a few more guests commenting on what is happening there and also commenting on how they thought the debate went but we are just going to now take a look, say goodbye to viewers on pbs and thank you forjoining us and continue our coverage in just a moment. during a discussion on immigration tim walz brought up springfield, ohio and donald trump previously accused immigrants in the town of eating house pets. jd vance said it was an attempt to create fake stories to bring attention to the immigration issue and tim walz attacked him for that idea and for raising hateful rhetoric towards immigrants in america. senator vance stood firm on the depth of the immigration issue and here is the interaction. taste of the immigration issue and here is the interaction. we saw this and senator— here is the interaction. we saw this and senator van _ here is the interaction. we saw this and senator van surprises| this and senator van surprises me on this, talking and saying i will create stories to bring attention to this. that vilified a large number of people who are here illegally

in the community of springfield. the republican governor said it's not true, don't do it. there are consequences for this. we could come together and senator langford did it, we could come together and solve this if we didn't let donald trump continue to make it an issue and the consequences in springfield were that the governor had to send state law enforcement to escort kindergartners to school. i believe senator vance wants to solve this but by standing with donald trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking point and when it becomes a talking point like this we dehumanise and fill in eyes of human beings. governor wants brought up the community of springfield and is very worried and worried about the things i said in springfield. in springfield, ohio — springfield. in springfield, ohio and communities all across the country, you've got schools that are — the country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed and hospitals overwhelmed and you have _ hospitals overwhelmed and you have housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with americans for scarce homes. the

people _ americans for scarce homes. the people i'm — americans for scarce homes. the people i'm most worried about in springfield, ohio are the american citizens who have had their— american citizens who have had their lives— american citizens who have had their lives destroyed by kamala harris's — their lives destroyed by kamala harris's open border. it is a disgrace. _ harris's open border. it is a disgrace, tim, and i agree with you. _ disgrace, tim, and i agree with you. i_ disgrace, tim, and i agree with you. ithink— disgrace, tim, and i agree with you, i think you want to solve this— you, i think you want to solve this problem but i don't think kamala — this problem but i don't think kamala harris does. specifically an exchange on the case of springfield, ohio. joining me now is senior advisor to the trump—vance campaign, jason miller. thanks for being with us again on bbc news. that exchange there, one of the more fiery during the debate and so much kept coming back to the question of immigration. how do you thinkjd vance handle it? i thinkjd vance had an absolutely dominant performance tonight in the debate and you can see why president trump picked him because together they have that vision for how we will fix the economy and deal with the immigration crisis that is gripping the united states. one of the things jd united states. one of the thingsjd vance did so masterfully in my opinion was

he was able to relate the concerns all of these communities around the country that might be far in the interior of the us but under kamala harris's policies have been turned into border communities. you talk about springfield, ohio, charlotte rae pennsylvania, because they've allowed the illegal migrants to come in and not just walking across the southern border but kamala harris has flown them in or people have entered illegally and they've given them what they call temporary protected status. massive spikes in crime, hospitals overwhelmed, schools overwhelmed, traffic accidents, all sorts of bad things happening. we have to secure our southern border and have people enter our country illegally. have people enter our country illeiall . . illegally. there was agreement from both of— illegally. there was agreement from both of them _ illegally. there was agreement from both of them on - illegally. there was agreement from both of them on that - from both of them on that point, and in fact quite a warmer theme throughout the debate in marked contrast to the relationship we see between harris and trump. was that something you had planned for tonight and part of the strategy?— tonight and part of the strate: ? :, , strategy? one of the things we lanned strategy? one of the things we planned for _ strategy? one of the things we planned for tonight _ strategy? one of the things we planned for tonight is - strategy? one of the things we planned for tonight is we - strategy? one of the things we planned for tonight is we knew| planned for tonight is we knew many of the people tuning in

had never really heard anything from jd vance or from tim walz. most normal people didn't necessarily watch the political conventions, the first big moment thatjd vance had on the national stage so we want to take the opportunity to connect jd vance's story with regular people so they understood because if you are asking voters to put their confidence in you, if you are saying i want to talk to about making your life better, if you can say that i actually have grown up say that i actually have grown up in that humble beginning and served our country and the military, that i have a vision, people will realise there is a basis point you are coming from and they will be much more trusting of you and that is why jd vance wanted to get his story across, especially to people who frankly had never heard anything from him. you mention trust. it will have surprised people whenjd vance

said republicans need to earn trust back on abortion and women's rights. what is the plan there?— women's rights. what is the lan there? , ,�* , plan there? president trump's osition plan there? president trump's position is _ plan there? president trump's position is he _ plan there? president trump's position is he opposes - plan there? president trump's position is he opposes a - position is he opposes a national abortion ban and said it should be decided at state level is and it should be up to the will of the voters in each state to decide abortion laws in their state. we always have to have exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother. this is whatjd vance and president trump have done such a good job on, making sure ivf treatments are available for everyone, whether the government pays for it or insurance companies. everyone who wants to start a family should have that ability. we need to show we are the compassionate party and that is whatjd vance was speaking to. we talk about compassion, its compassionate to rebuild our economy, its compassionate to... ~ :, to... we will get to the economy _ to... we will get to the economy in _ to... we will get to the economy in a _ to... we will get to the j economy in a moment, to... we will get to the - economy in a moment, but the decision as you outline some

donald trump and jd vance, their position is different to others in the republican party who don't have that nuance and want an all—out ban. how does that work with the voters? president trump is at the top of the ticket, quite frankly nobody cares what other people have to say, they care what president trump and kamala harris have to say. another key thing on this which shows the democrats are the party of extremists, jd vance turned the tables and called out governor walz for being one of only six states which permits abortion effectively up until the moment of birth. it is truly barbaric, that was the word jd vance used, and he was able to show republicans are much more common sense when it comes to this issue. we can work together and come up with bipartisan ideas, that needs to happen at state level, not some one size fits all at national level. ~ :, one size fits all at national level. ~ . . . level. we have heard donald trump say — level. we have heard donald trump say before _ level. we have heard donald trump say before that - level. we have heard donald trump say before that jd - level. we have heard donald i trump say before that jd vance trump say before thatjd vance doesn't speak for him. is he

happy with his performance tonight? i happy with his performance toniaht? :, �* happy with his performance toniaht? . �* , tonight? i haven't spoken directly but _ tonight? i haven't spoken directly but i _ tonight? i haven't spoken directly but i have - tonight? i haven't spoken l directly but i have followed him on social media and i know president trump is very proud ofjd vance. the american public tonight so exactly why president trump picked jd vance. not only was he able to articulate that vision and restore hope for voters, quite frankly many americans had given up and don't think their economic situation is ever going to be better... friends in the uk watching, much closer to those missiles from iran and the chaos in the middle east than we are in the us. we are separated by an ocean. but people realise, when you have a vice president who is unqualified for thejob vice president who is unqualified for the job like kamala harris, bad things can happen. the borders are who allowed millions of illegals to enter the country, the last one in the room with the disastrous afghan withdrawal was made, and cast the tie—breaking vote with spending bills that caused inflation. the vice president

matters. , . :, matters. the situation in the middle east, _ matters. the situation in the middle east, neither- matters. the situation in the middle east, neither of - matters. the situation in the| middle east, neither of them answered the very first question, what would they do if israel came to them and asked for a pre—emptive strike? it fora pre—emptive strike? it was a bit of a false binary choice. the reality is it wouldn't happen if president trump was still in office... taste trump was still in office... we are where _ trump was still in office... we are where we _ trump was still in office... we are where we are. _ trump was still in office... we are where we are. hold - trump was still in office... we are where we are. hold on, i are where we are. hold on, --eole are where we are. hold on, people laughed _ are where we are. hold on, people laughed when - are where we are. hold on, - people laughed when president trump came in and said he would restore peace to the middle east. how are you going to resolve decades, centuries of conflict? but with president trump we have the abler —— we have the abraham accords and peace in the region. and with ukraine, under president trump, zero, they invaded under barack obama and biden. they didn't invade under president trump. we had the stability to save lives. here is the problem. you have a weak american presidency, and this matters to folks in the uk. when you have a weak american presidency as

we do withjoe biden and kamala harris, democracy around the world suffers. we need a strong president to restore that deterrence so we can stand with allies like the uk and others in the region to make sure the world is safe and democracy for everybody. taste world is safe and democracy for everybody-— everybody. we will see what happens. — everybody. we will see what happens, thanks _ everybody. we will see what happens, thanks for - everybody. we will see what | happens, thanks for speaking everybody. we will see what - happens, thanks for speaking to us. lots more from here in a few moments, but over to you, sumi. i want to bring in a guestjoining us remotely. randy manner, you wrote a letter along with other veterans and military family members criticising donald trump andjd members criticising donald trump and jd vance for attacking tim walz�*s military records. what do you think of the site you have two military veterans on stage debating tonight? veterans on stage debating toniaht? , :, . �*, tonight? first of all, it's exciting _ tonight? first of all, it's exciting to _ tonight? first of all, it's exciting to have - tonight? first of all, it's exciting to have two - tonight? first of all, it's - exciting to have two military veterans running to be the vice president of the united states,

that's a good thing. it's very important that we also look at the debate tonight being much more congenial than president trump making some very absurd comments. we are really voting for the top of the ticket. some of the comments made earlier by some of the commentators here about the weakness of the present administration, it couldn't be further from the truth. if you think about it, trump actually did result in contributing to iran's strength by pulling us out of the nuclear agreement. also quite frankly, stopping the agreement with russia about the exchange of information about nuclear forces. and outside of moscow, the nuclear base... when i was the nuclear base... when i was the head of the agency years ago, normally trump disparages nato on a regular basis and of course he doesn't support ukraine. all of these are examples where there is actually not a strong leader in

trump. actually not a strong leader in trum -. . a actually not a strong leader in trum. ., trump. let me ask you a bit about military _ trump. let me ask you a bit about military records. - trump. let me ask you a bit about military records. we l about military records. we heard jd vance talking about the question asked to tim walz, saying he had been in hong kong, tiananmen square when that had happened, he said he had missed —— he had misspoke. jd vance talked about fabrications. is it a problem for tim walz? i fabrications. is it a problem for tim walz?— fabrications. is it a problem for tim walz? i don't think it is an issue — for tim walz? i don't think it is an issue at _ for tim walz? i don't think it is an issue at all. _ for tim walz? i don't think it is an issue at all. right - for tim walz? i don't think it is an issue at all. right on i is an issue at all. right on national tv he said, i misspoke. that's the end of it. the other part of the story, vance previously accused governor walz of stolen valour, saying he pulled himself out of a deployment to overseas, and that's very disparaging to all of us as veterans. when one veteran is questioning stolen valour in the united states, there is a federal law about misrepresenting your service.

governor walz never did that at all. as both the senior general responsible for deploying a reserve and national guard units during many parts of wartime, as well as being the number two person in the national... i understand the timing and volunteer. all those accusations, not only are they exaggerated, they are not true, they are full. i want to set they are full. i want to set the record straight that those are lies and fabrications by vance. a, :, are lies and fabrications by vance. :, , . vance. ma'or general, so good to have vance. major general, so good to have you — vance. major general, so good to have you on _ vance. major general, so good to have you on bbc— vance. major general, so good to have you on bbc news - to have you on bbc news tonight. back over to caitriona with another guest. thanks, sumi, i have a democratic senator from arizona, mike kelly, thanks for joining us on bbc news. that could have been you on the stage, you were in the running

to be the vice presidential pick, how did tim walz do tonight? pick, how did tim walz do toniaht? pick, how did tim walz do tonight?— pick, how did tim walz do toniaht? :, , tonight? he did great, he spoke in a way the _ tonight? he did great, he spoke in a way the american _ tonight? he did great, he spoke in a way the american people i in a way the american people could understand, plain—spoken. talking about kamala harris and his agenda for the american people, compared tojd vance, which presented a dangerous and i think fair which presented a dangerous and ithink fairto which presented a dangerous and i think fair to say unpopular agenda. project 2025. it made it very clear to the american people what is at stake on so many issues, whether it is women's health care, the border and immigration, foreign democracy, the last issue they spoke about before they went into final statements. fin spoke about before they went into final statements.- into final statements. on the issue of the _ into final statements. on the issue of the economy, - into final statements. on the issue of the economy, jd - into final statements. on the i issue of the economy, jd vance put it to tim walz that if he and kamala harris had all these great plans to help american families, why hadn't she done it for the last three and a half years, what would you say to that? ~ :, half years, what would you say to that? ~ . , , to that? well, i mean, she is runnina to that? well, i mean, she is running to — to that? well, i mean, she is running to be _ to that? well, i mean, she is running to be president - to that? well, i mean, she is running to be president of. to that? well, i mean, she is| running to be president of the united states. she has an agenda that will help reduce the cost for families. but if you want to go back to this

administration, there are things that were specifically done that cut costs. the prescription drug negotiation, out of pocket expenses for seniors, down to $3500 per year, and next year down to $2000. donald trump's project 2025 gets rid of that. so senior drug prices will go up. that is in his plan. when you consider what he wants to do to the costs forfamilies consider what he wants to do to the costs for families on other things, he is planning on tariffs on everything that comes into our country. that is a tax on american families that's going to cost them $4000 per year. she wants to bring down costs of prescription drugs, health care, education, childcare. childcare was a big issue during this debate. but i would say costs are something the american people really care about. but i tell you what, in my state, the issue of abortion. donald trump's

abortion. donald trump's abortion ban, by taking away roe v wade. in arizona, arizona women went back between one bad abortion ban and another. jd vance said ohio reject the republican agenda on this, sol think they know it's not good for american women but they are proposing it anyway. for american women but they are proposing it anyway-— proposing it anyway. were you sur - rised proposing it anyway. were you surprised by — proposing it anyway. were you surprised by the _ proposing it anyway. were you surprised by the tone - proposing it anyway. were you surprised by the tone and - surprised by the tone and approach he took to that subject tonight? i approach he took to that subject tonight?- subject tonight? i was surprised _ subject tonight? i was surprised by _ subject tonight? i was surprised by his - subject tonight? i was surprised by his tone l subject tonight? i was i surprised by his tone for subject tonight? i was - surprised by his tone for most of the debate. sort of surprised. you also have to consider he is a yale trained mouthpiece now for donald trump. he's got to take donald trump's bad agenda and bad policies and a bunch of falsehoods, a bunch of lies, and try to present it coherently. it's hard to do. i give him credit for a little bit of success there, but in my view, tim walz clearly

explained to the american people what's at stake. and why the agenda of kamala harris is much betterfor them the agenda of kamala harris is much better for them than dragging much betterfor them than dragging us back to a donald trump, what he did in 2020. he took away women's health care, the right to make a decision between them and their doctor. he shredded alliances and gave a big giant tax cuts for billionaires, which he will clearly double down on. fin clearly double down on. on another issue, in your own home state of arizona, again it formed a big part of the debate tonight, the issue of immigration. very important in this cycle, a swing state, very close race... how did tim walz handle it? close race. .. how did tim walz handle it?— handle it? well, the debate, i think you _ handle it? well, the debate, i think you heard _ handle it? well, the debate, i think you heard two _ handle it? well, the debate, i think you heard two different | think you heard two different visions. jd vance, a lot of complaints. tim walz clearly talked about very specific policy. that was the border

security bill that we negotiated, democrats and republicans negotiating together, the way this is supposed to work... it is supposed to work... it is supposed to work... it is supposed to happen to legislation. kamala harris and the white has negotiated it with the us senate. donald trump decided he wanted this as an issue for the election. he told senate republicans they couldn't vote for this, and most of them didn't. —— and the white house negotiated it. if it had been a couple of days earlier, it would have passed. donald trump was able to kill the deal. that meant border patrol officers that we didn't hire, 1500 border patrol officers that were in the legislation. border patrol pay was going to be increased, it didn't happen. we were going to build infrastructure for the border patrol so they could temporarily housed migrants, and add a bunch of detection machines to the southern border. that didn't happen because donald trump told senate republicans to kill this bill. : ., , , senate republicans to kill this bill. : ., ,, ., bill. another issue you have s - ecific bill. another issue you have specific knowledge - bill. another issue you have specific knowledge of, - bill. another issue you have specific knowledge of, the l specific knowledge of, the first question, the situation

in the middle east and israel and we have been covering it all day, the escalation and the attack from iran on israel. neither tim walz norjd vance answered the first question that was put to them. how should that be dealt with? the first question _ should that be dealt with? t“i9 first question was... pre—emptive... first question was... pre-emptive. .. first question was... pre-emtive... :, . pre-emptive. .. based on what donald trump _ pre-emptive. .. based on what donald trump said _ pre-emptive. .. based on what donald trump said today, - pre-emptive. .. based on what donald trump said today, i - donald trump said today, i didn't see it directly but i think he was encouraging a strike, a us strike on iran, escalating this conflict into a full—blown war in the middle east. yeah, of coursejd vance didn't answer that question. i think the guy is sensible enough to know it's not in our best interest to be involved in a conflict against iranians and the middle east. that is one area he didn't support donald trump's ridiculous idea. where this stands today is we are at

risk of a widening conflict. israel was attacked by the iranians. the iranians have been supporting hezbollah, who also attacked israel on october the 8th, and had to move their population away. israel has the right to defend itself. from hezbollah, hamas, the iranians. but to say that you are encouraging a full—blown war in the middle east that includes us is not in the best interests of the american people. i also don't think it's necessarily in the best interests of israel. we can support israel in their defence, our only democratic ally in the region. they are the only democracy in the region and we are going to continue to support them. what should happen _ continue to support them. what should happen now? _ continue to support them. what should happen now? you - continue to support them. what should happen now? you are on the armed services committee... well, iran should get the message that their escalation of this attack is not going to be effective, and hezbollah should get the same message, it has not gone well for hezbollah

or hamas. these terrorist organisations, including the iranians, need to realise this is not the path forward and this is not in the best interests of their families, their friends interests of their families, theirfriends and their their friends and their neighbours. theirfriends and their neighbours. the solution here is peace. they shouldn't continue to attack israel and question israel's existence. israel was violently attacked on october the 7th and then again on october the eight by hezbollah, and attacks across the border, and it's got to stop. we have to get these hostages released. senator mike kell of hostages released. senator mike kelly of arizona, _ hostages released. senator mike kelly of arizona, thank _ hostages released. senator mike kelly of arizona, thank you - hostages released. senator mike kelly of arizona, thank you for i kelly of arizona, thank you for joining us on bbc news. back over to you, joining us on bbc news. back overto you, sumi. thank joining us on bbc news. back over to you, sumi. thank you, caitriona. we want to look back at some of the statements, the candidates clashed on the economy, each claiming their running mate have the better record and the best plan for the future.— record and the best plan for the future. ~ . �* , ., ., the future. what's fundamental here is steady _ the future. what's fundamental here is steady leadership - the future. what's fundamental here is steady leadership is - here is steady leadership is going to matter. it's clear and

the world saw it on the debate stage a few weeks ago, a nearly 80—year—old donald trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment. but it's notjust that. it is those that were closest to donald trump that understand how dangerous he is when the world is this dangerous. his chief of staffjohn kelly said he was the most flawed human being he had ever met. both of secretaries of defence and his national security advisers said he should be nowhere near the white house. taste he should be nowhere near the white house.— white house. we have to remember, _ white house. we have to remember, as _ white house. we have to remember, as much - white house. we have to remember, as much as l white house. we have to - remember, as much as governor walz— remember, as much as governor wal2just — remember, as much as governor walzjust accused donald trump of being — walzjust accused donald trump of being an agent of chaos, donald _ of being an agent of chaos, donald trump actually delivered stability — donald trump actually delivered stability in the world, by establishing effective deterrents. people were afraid of stepping out of line. iran, which — of stepping out of line. iran, which launched this attack, has received — which launched this attack, has received over $100 billion in unfrozen — received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the kamala — unfrozen assets thanks to the kamala harris administration. what — kamala harris administration. what have they used that money for? to— what have they used that money for? to buy weapons they are now _ for? to buy weapons they are now launching against our allies. _ now launching against our allies, and god forbid, potentially launching against the us— potentially launching against the us as well.—

the us as well. admittedly, that was not _ the us as well. admittedly, that was not them - the us as well. admittedly, that was not them talking i the us as well. admittedly, - that was not them talking about the economy, but that's ok, we will run with it anyway. what did you think about that exchange, talking about donald trump being a threat, but instead during his administration asjd vance administration as jd vance said, administration asjd vance said, there was peace. administration as jd vance said, there was peace. well, not said, there was peace. well, rrot peace- — said, there was peace. well, not peace. here _ said, there was peace. well, not peace. here is _ said, there was peace. well, not peace. here is the - not peace. here is the difference. he was the one that pulled us out of the iran nuclear agreement. and so now we have to be concerned that iran is that much closer to a nuclear weapon. when he talks today, donald trump, about attacking iran directly, he is talking about starting world war iii. he is not a stable person and he is not a serious person and he is not a serious person in terms of peace around the world. that's whyjd vance wouldn't follow him there. when he was asked, should israel make this strike, he wouldn't go there. he make this strike, he wouldn't go there-— make this strike, he wouldn't to there. �* . , ., go there. he didn't answer, to be fair. go there. he didn't answer, to be fair- but — go there. he didn't answer, to be fair. but what _ go there. he didn't answer, to be fair. but what tim -

go there. he didn't answer, to be fair. but what tim walz - be fair. but what tim walz said, be fair. but what tim walz said. he — be fair. but what tim walz said, he said _ be fair. but what tim walz said, he said he _ be fair. but what tim walz said, he said he was - be fair. but what tim walz said, he said he was going be fair. but what tim walz i said, he said he was going to let the process play out in terms of negotiating peace and making sure the president has all of those tools. what i think was happening throughout this debate, on this issue but many others, i think sarah palin talked about putting lipstick on a pig. jd vance constantly had to come back and try to clean up the actions of donald trump. and he is very slick, as we said, he is a yale educated debater and he was very slick about that. but really, the american people are making the decision about donald trump at the top of the ticket. today what we learned is donald trump would lead us into a potential world war iii, with a nuclear iran at the helm. i with a nuclear iran at the helm. ~ with a nuclear iran at the helm. ,, ., �* , with a nuclear iran at the helm. ,, . �*, ., ,, helm. i think that's absurd. you look — helm. i think that's absurd. you look at _ helm. i think that's absurd.

you look at donald - helm. i think that's absurd. you look at donald trump's record _ you look at donald trump's record when it comes to foreign policy, — record when it comes to foreign policy, i— record when it comes to foreign policy, i thinkjd vance reiterated many of his successes. the abraham accords. middle _ successes. the abraham accords. middle east. as close to middle east peace as we have had in a very— east peace as we have had in a very long — east peace as we have had in a very long time. but i learned something tonight. i learned that if— something tonight. i learned that if you just say you misspoke on something, it all gets— misspoke on something, it all gets washed away. so any time from _ gets washed away. so any time from now— gets washed away. so any time from now on, any time i think donald — from now on, any time i think donald trump misspoke, ask about— donald trump misspoke, ask about something he said, because he can't be the only candidate running for office, running _ candidate running for office, running for president that cannot— running for president that cannot misspeak. i'm going to say, _ cannot misspeak. i'm going to say he — cannot misspeak. i'm going to say, he must have obviously misspoke _ say, he must have obviously misspoke and then we can move onto— misspoke and then we can move onto another subject. because that's— onto another subject. because that's what happens with governor walz.— that's what happens with governor walz. donald trump doesnt governor walz. donald trump doesn't say — governor walz. donald trump doesn't say he _ governor walz. donald trump doesn't say he misspoke. - governor walz. donald trump doesn't say he misspoke. he | doesn't say he misspoke. he never said — doesn't say he misspoke. h9: never said he misspoke and he never said he misspoke and he never apologises for it. tim walz stepped up and said, i made a mistake, i did not truthfully answer that

question. total accountability in front of the entire country. trust me, donald trump has not done that. trust me, donald trump has not done that-— done that. let's talk about the economy. _ done that. let's talk about the economy, even _ done that. let's talk about the economy, even though - done that. let's talk about the economy, even though we - done that. let's talk about the i economy, even though we didn't play the clip on the economy. do you think tim walz was able to perhaps convince voters with the message that they will be able to bring prices down? because the argument made is why haven't you done that until now? ~ why haven't you done that until now? . . , , why haven't you done that until now? ~ ., , ,., , ., , now? well, absolutely, and this is where harris' _ now? well, absolutely, and this is where harris' plan _ now? well, absolutely, and this is where harris' plan is - is where harris' plan is different than biden's plan. i've got to point out, whenjd vance used the term, give families a choice... using that term is projection on his part. that is the issue around abortion and the connection to the economy. a choice, when to start a family, whether to start a family, whether to start a family, whether to start a family. but what kamala harris is going the next step, supporting families. jd vance tried to make himself look compassionate tonight. oh, the republicans should win back the trust... they are not going to

win back the trust, they don't care about families. what she is saying is a child tax credit, $6,000 forfamilies, credit, $6,000 for families, thatis credit, $6,000 forfamilies, that is going to dramatically cut prices and cut the tax burden forfamilies. and cut prices and cut the tax burden for families. and then she is talking about $50,000 credit for starting a new business. and the tax credit for new home—buyers. so these are going to stimulate the economy, it's going to address the cause of middle—class families that are struggling. does that message work, rodney? no, it doesn't. both candidates have _ no, it doesn't. both candidates have a — no, it doesn't. both candidates have a cord. donald trump, presidency, his record is lower housing — presidency, his record is lower housing prices, lower prescription drug prices, more economic— prescription drug prices, more economic growth and lower taxes for americans across the border _ for americans across the border. the harris biden administration, higher costs, higher— administration, higher costs, higher prescription drug costs and housing costs, higher taxes planned —

and housing costs, higher taxes planned. that is the difference. one issue that can really — difference. one issue that can really differentiate, i wish really differentiate, iwish they— really differentiate, i wish they would have asked both candidates about the impending port strike. i would like to know _ port strike. i would like to know where donald trump and jd vance _ know where donald trump and jd vance and — know where donald trump and jd vance and kamala harris and tim walz— vance and kamala harris and tim walz both — vance and kamala harris and tim walz both come down in addressing this impending issue that's— addressing this impending issue that's going to raise costs on every— that's going to raise costs on every american family. you know where the _ every american family. you know where the harris _ every american family. you know where the harris administration l where the harris administration will be, because we have watched what they did... i’m will be, because we have watched what they did... i'm so sor to watched what they did... i'm so sorry to cut _ watched what they did... i'm so sorry to cut you _ watched what they did... i'm so sorry to cut you off _ watched what they did... i'm so sorry to cut you off but - watched what they did... i'm so sorry to cut you off but we - sorry to cut you off but we have to hand back to caitriona to wrap up. we will talk more on the port strike. thanks, sumi, donald trump junior is coming up the aisle. behind us. both campaigns spinning and trying to claim victory tonight for tim walz andjd vance. victory tonight for tim walz and jd vance. let's speak to our correspondent here. anthony, a lot of spinning and counter spinning. what is your verdict on how the night went.

i think both candidates did what they wanted to do. i think it probably benefited jd vance that it was a friendlier debate exchange, because it gave him more space to kind of smooth over the rough edges of donald trump and make the case for trump, and hit the harris campaign time and time again on the fact they are the ones in power. abs. the fact they are the ones in ower. : , the fact they are the ones in ower. : i i i the fact they are the ones in ower. : i ,, ., ., , power. a big issue for voters headin: power. a big issue for voters heading into _ power. a big issue for voters heading into a _ power. a big issue for voters heading into a debate - power. a big issue for voters heading into a debate like i power. a big issue for voters. heading into a debate like this is they want to find out more about the various candidates. who did a betterjob of introducing themselves to the american people?— american people? they both talked about _ american people? they both talked about their _ american people? they both i talked about their background. tim walz a former high school teacher, jd vance really wanted to do that and he actually did that in his opening answer which was about the iranian attack on israel today. he started by talking about his upbringing. in a way, jd vance ithink had upbringing. in a way, jd vance i think had an eye towards the future. he is only 40, he wants to make a name for himself in republican politics and a lot

of republican voters will look at howjd vance added a little ideological meet on the bones of trump —ism, and defended the president, and they saw someone maybe they would be willing to support in years ahead.- support in years ahead. where do both campaigns _ support in years ahead. where do both campaigns go - support in years ahead. where do both campaigns go from i support in years ahead. where i do both campaigns go from here? they hit the campaign trail. tim walz is going to get a pizza and a good night sleep, then they are going to go back to the battleground states. i don't think vice—presidential debates move the needle much one way or the other. maybe some republicans will be buoyed by the performance of vance after donald trump's shaky performance against kamala harris. they are going to be battling it out in the swing states, the election is in the home stretch now.— states, the election is in the home stretch now. and we will be there along _ home stretch now. and we will be there along the _ home stretch now. and we will be there along the way - home stretch now. and we will be there along the way on - home stretch now. and we will be there along the way on our| be there along the way on our bbc news platforms. anthony, as ever, thank you so much. you have been watching this bbc news special programme covering the cbs news vice—presidential debate. i am the cbs news vice—presidential debate. lam katrina perry the cbs news vice—presidential debate. i am katrina perry in

new york... and i am sumi somaskanda in washington, dc. reaction continues on our website and on bbc news. from all of us in dc and new york, thank you so much for watching bbc news. stay with us. hello there. several counties in england have now seen their wettest september on record, so it's no surprise it's led to localised flooding and inundated roads. now, for the rest of this week, the good news is high pressure will continue to build in. that'll bring some very much needed drier and sunnier weather, though nights will turn chillier again with some mist and fog. high pressure already starting to topple into northern and western areas as we head into wednesday, but we've still got the influence of that area of low pressure across the far south—east. so more of a north—easterly breeze here, a bit more cloud at times, a few showers, mainly for east anglia and the far south—east. but elsewhere, after a chilly start with early mist and fog, we'll see a good deal of sunshine around. that breeze will be noticeable

across england and wales, but certainly across the south—east corner, but lighter for scotland and northern ireland. temperature—wise, not bad, close to where we should be for the time of year — around the mid—teens in the north, mid to high teens across the south. as we head through wednesday night, we hold on to this breeze, with further showers across east anglia and the south—east. but all the while, that area of low pressure will continue to pull away and high pressure will start to build in. and the winds will be lighter further north and west, so it's here where we'll see temperatures dip close to freezing, certainly across scotland, and there will be some mist and fog patches developing. and you can see why — high pressure starting to centre itself across the uk, pushing the weather front and that area of low pressure out into the near continent. so, thursday, probably a widespread dry day. chilly start, early mist and fog, but a lot of sunshine around. we will see a bit of fair weather cloud developing into the afternoon, but i think most places will stay largely dry. temperatures reaching highs of 17, maybe 18 degrees in the south. mid—teens further north, so that'll feel quite pleasant. as we head into friday, our area of high pressure holds

on across the country, but lower pressure begins to push in and that will bring some showers by the end of friday to northern ireland and western scotland with an increasing breeze. but the vast majority, again, after a chilly start, with some early mist and fog, will stay dry with widespread sunshine around. and into the afternoon, those temperatures reaching highs of 16 or 17 degrees in the south, mid—teens again in the north. we will start to see some changes as we head into the weekend, though. some eastern parts of the country may stay dry throughout the day on saturday, but wetter and windy weather will start to push into northern and western areas. all areas, i think, will be affected by the time we reach sunday. take care.

live from london. this is bbc news. israel warn of grave consequences after iran launched a barrage of missiles across the country on tuesday. tehran says the attacks are in retaliation for the killings of senior militant leaders, including the hezbollah chief hassan nasrallah. these are live pictures of large plooms of smoke in beirut where israel have continued to attack

hezbollah targets overnight. and the two men vying to be become the next vice president of the united states us vice—president clash in their only head—to—head debate before next month's presidential election. hello. we begin in the middle east, where israel has warned of grave consequences after iran launched a barrage of missiles across the country on tuesday. sirens sounded and israelis were told to take refuge in bomb shelters, as explosions lit up the night sky. israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu promised iran would be punished, whilst the iranian government warned it will hit all of israel's infrastructure if they are retaliated. the israeli defence forces say

that around 180 missiles were launched towards israel around 5.30 pm local