find i effectively as well? exactly. and i think that moving _ effectively as well? exactly. and i think that moving from _ effectively as well? exactly. and i think that moving from cost - effectively as well? exactly. and i i think that moving from cost alone and looking at investment, surely we have to recognise that if we want a proper future for our children that they have to have adequate, appropriate teaching and learning environment to get the best of their results, so that they are well—educated, well—trained, but they go into an economy, is skilled economy. it they go into an economy, is skilled econom . . , they go into an economy, is skilled econom . .,, . ~ ., economy. it has feedback for the economy. it has feedback for the economy as _ economy. it has feedback for the economy as well. _ economy. it has feedback for the economy as well. exactly. - economy. it has feedback for the economy as well. exactly. and i economy. it has feedback for the i economy as well. exactly. and they can make a — economy as well. exactly. and they can make a contribution _ economy as well. exactly. and they can make a contribution to - economy as well. exactly. and they can make a contribution to the - can make a contribution to the future. . , , ., future. tim, really interesting to net our future. tim, really interesting to get your thoughts. _ future. tim, really interesting to get your thoughts. school - future. tim, really interesting to | get your thoughts. school funding consultant, thank you. sunday with laura kuenssberg follows this programme on bbc one at nine o'clock. she will be discussing the legacy of the former scottish first minister alex salmond, who has died at the age of 69. d0 minister alex salmond, who has died at the age of 639-— minister alex salmond, who has died at the age of 69-_ at the age of 69. do 'oin us over on bbc one at the age of 69. do 'oin us over on sac one at _ at the age of 69. do 'oin us over on bbc one at nine — at the age of 69. do join us over on bbc one at nine o'clock _ at the age of 69. do join us over on bbc one at nine o'clock when - at the age of 69. do join us over on bbc one at nine o'clock when we i at the age of 69. do join us over on | bbc one at nine o'clock when we will be reflecting on the extraordinary political career of alex salmond, who has died at the

political career of alex salmond, who has i quote the political career of alex salmond, who has i quote from the garden there is a quote from the garden which sums up the intrigue that surrounds the position that lee carsley finds himself in. apparently, he only has three games left to save the job that was apparently definitely has after two games, it is slipping away after three games, which he does not appear to want anyway. this is the way we are trying and trying or whether he wants out or get set after gareth southgate resigned after gareth southgate resigned after the euros. he has not actually applied formally for the job and applications closed a couple of weeks ago. lee carsley admits england might look a little more conventional in their nations league match against finland this afternoon — but insists he's not against trying things given england still haven't found their way to a major trophy since 1966. whether he continues to be involved after his interim period ends remains completely up in the air, but he wants buy—in from the players and the fans. the most important thing is a reaction. you want the public to trust and to love the team because

the impact that the national team has on the public is, you know, it's very inspiring and, hopefully, we can keep building on that. wigan are once again super league champions after a tense 9 points to 2 victory over hull kingston rovers in the grand final at old trafford. the title completes the clean sweep of all the major trophies available to wigan this season. adam wild was watching. commentatorz all four trophies in 2024! - for wigan warriors, a moment of history. the domestic game's dominant force, super league champions, to complete the season's clean sweep. we never speak about trying to win all four, but we set out each week to do a job and we've been able to do that consistently all year, so we're pretty proud of ourselves. old trafford was the final step on the season's journey.

for the warriors, it is a well—trodden path. but for hull kingston rovers, this was a whole new adventure. for the occasion, a new trophy, too, the rob burrow award for player of the match, brought on by his three children — a poignant moment as rugby league once again honours the life of a player who [it up this stage so many times before. it's nearly a0 years since hull kr's last major trophy. wigan, well, it's been little over three weeks. guiding them to the brink of history, bevan french here sending rovers the wrong way before taking the direct route. rovers coming storming out in the second half, but still unable to find the gap, squeezed out, no way through. in a game of such fine margins, this looked to be the moment wigan would win it. the try seemed certain. jake wardle, though,

agonisingly unable to hang on. his side, though, would cling on — just. heartbreak for kingston rovers, history for wigan warriors. french, a worthy first recipient of the rob burrow award, presented by his father, jeff burrow. it's been an emotional week talking about all the history and everything, and the club surprised me last night, with bringing my younger brother and my uncle over to present me myjersey. so it's crazy. i won't ever get the happiest feeling again, so, just really making the most of it. forjust the second time in almost a century, one side has won all the silverware a season can offer. it's wigan warriors once again setting the gold standard. they are super league champions. adam wild, bbc news, old trafford. that's not the only trophy that's been lifted in the last few hours. england's women have retained their wxvi title, beating canada overnight.

it was a winner—takes—all clash against the hosts in vancouver. but the red roses triumphed 21—12 with zoe aldcroft assuring england's victory with their third try of the match. the defending champions extended their winning run to 20 matches. and they've now won both editions of the tournament's top tier. england can take their final step in the t20 world cup later, but they will have to beat scotland to do it. it is only the third match of the five team group, they have catching up five team group, they have catching up to do against a side that cannot qualify but there is the rivalry to consider as well. no easy game in the world cup. they've obviously qualified by rights to be here. they've got a lot of girls that play in our domestic league and strong players, the bryce sisters in particular have been outstanding players for scotland. obviously, kathryn bryce in particular has had a stellar year in the english domestic games. yes, we are not taking them lightly at all. i think it's a really good challenge and they are going to be absolutely

gunning for us. they are going to come out us hard and try and take us down, so we've got to be really prepared for that and keep building on the really good stuff we've done and play our best cricket. i think obviously it is a massive achievement to be here. and then to find out that we are in the group with england, it's always exciting. there's something about being a scottish person when you play england in any sport, it's always exciting. so, yes, we are really... we are raring to go and we've got a training session today and will give it one last crack tomorrow. it starts at 11 o'clock, you can follow it on the website. and also on the radio. it's the first time i have mentioned your dayjob in the whole programme. the time isjust the time is just after half past eight. we've been reporting this morning on the tributes being paid to the former scottish first

minister, alex salmond mr salmond had been in north macedonia for the institute for cultural diplomacy forum, and these were the last photos taken of him before he was taken ill after speaking as part king charles was among those to pay tribute, saying he and the queen were "greatly saddened" to hear of salmond's sudden death, adding "his devotion to scotland drove his decades of public service". ministerjohn swinney said he was "deeply shocked" at the news, saying salmond "worked tirelessly and fought fearlessly for the country that he loved and for her independence". and the prime minister described salmond as being a "monumental figure of scottish and uk politics". sir keir starmer has said "as first minister of scotland he cared deeply about scotland's heritage, history and culture, as well as the communities he represented over many years of service." salmond has been remembered as a powerful communicator and, after conceding defeat in the scottish independence referendum in 2014, he reflected on the positives of his parties campaign.

let us not dwell on the distance we have fallen short, let us dwell on the distance we have travelled and have confidence that the movement is abroad in scotland that will take this nation forward and we shall go forward as one nation. thank you very much. we're joined now by former bbc scotland political editor brian taylor. you knew alex salmond for years, what were your first memories of him, when did you first come across him? ~ ,., ., , , him? we were both at university toaether him? we were both at university together in _ him? we were both at university together in the _ him? we were both at university together in the middle _ him? we were both at university together in the middle ages, - him? we were both at university together in the middle ages, in l him? we were both at university i together in the middle ages, in the 19705, _ together in the middle ages, in the 19705, at_ together in the middle ages, in the 1970s, at the time, he used to have a long _ 1970s, at the time, he used to have a long trench coat, very long hair, i was _ a long trench coat, very long hair, i was cheeky— a long trench coat, very long hair, i was cheeky to call it a little cap perched — i was cheeky to call it a little cap perched on— i was cheeky to call it a little cap perched on his head, i used to wander— perched on his head, i used to wander about perched on his head, i used to wanderabout in a perched on his head, i used to wander about in a cloak, so who am i to speak? _ wander about in a cloak, so who am i to speak? he— wander about in a cloak, so who am i

to speak? he was a remarkable figure. — to speak? he was a remarkable figure. the _ to speak? he was a remarkable figure, the nationalist movement at st andrews was not exactly extensive, i think when he joined, there _ extensive, i think when he joined, there were — extensive, i think when he joined, there were two, and he was the second — there were two, and he was the second one. i was the editor of the student— second one. i was the editor of the student our— second one. i was the editor of the student our pasts followed those silos down the years. he was a burning — silos down the years. he was a burning ambition even then which was later fulfilled when he became an msp, _ later fulfilled when he became an msp, first minister, and more than that, _ msp, first minister, and more than that, in_ msp, first minister, and more than that, in 2007, he said i heard a rumour, — that, in 2007, he said i heard a rumour, i— that, in 2007, he said i heard a rumour, i think we won the election. he won _ rumour, i think we won the election. he won an— rumour, i think we won the election. he won an unprecedented overall majority— he won an unprecedented overall majority for the snp. latterly, he was something of an irritant for the current— was something of an irritant for the current leadership of the party, but i'm sure _ current leadership of the party, but i'm sure that's for another day. those — i'm sure that's for another day. those consequences are for another day. those consequences are for another day~ he _ those consequences are for another day~ he will— those consequences are for another day. he will be remembered today as the first _ day. he will be remembered today as the first minister who took the snp from being a party of protest to a party _ from being a party of protest to a party of _ from being a party of protest to a party of government, and also who took scotland to the very edge of independence in 2014.— took scotland to the very edge of independence in 2014. knowing him from university. _ independence in 2014. knowing him from university, even _ independence in 2014. knowing him

from university, even back- independence in 2014. knowing him from university, even back then, i independence in 2014. knowing him. from university, even back then, was it clear those skills that people have mentioned, the passionate speaker, the strong communicator, where those skills evident are where they honed over his years of working in politics? they honed over his years of working in olitics? ., ., ., , in politics? evident from an early stare and in politics? evident from an early stage and over _ in politics? evident from an early stage and over the _ in politics? evident from an early stage and over the years - in politics? evident from an early stage and over the years as - in politics? evident from an early stage and over the years as well. in politics? evident from an early . stage and over the years as well. he could _ stage and over the years as well. he could he _ stage and over the years as well. he could be persuasive. the most interesting thing among many things i heard _ interesting thing among many things i heard him say was, he said, it was not enough — i heard him say was, he said, it was not enough for a politician of the nationalist persuasion to choose scotland. — nationalist persuasion to choose scotland, they had to make choices within— scotland, they had to make choices within scotland. that is the difference for me to the snp. he himself_ difference for me to the snp. he himself was very firmly of the left in his_ himself was very firmly of the left in his early— himself was very firmly of the left in his early days although he moderated that position into something more of pro—business. he believes— something more of pro—business. he believes the — something more of pro—business. he believes the snp could not only be in favour— believes the snp could not only be in favour of scotland or in favour of independence, they had to make a political choice within that and he chose _ political choice within that and he chose and — political choice within that and he chose and he drove the party in a moderate — chose and he drove the party in a moderate centre—left direction, challenging the domination of the labour— challenging the domination of the labour party particularly in the central— labour party particularly in the central belt of scotland. and that

transformed the snp, among others, he transferred the snp, bringing them _ he transferred the snp, bringing them to— he transferred the snp, bringing them to a — he transferred the snp, bringing them to a party of government and bringing _ them to a party of government and bringing scotland to the verge of independence.— bringing scotland to the verge of inde endence. , ., ., , independence. there is no doubt the rouress independence. there is no doubt the progress he — independence. there is no doubt the progress he made — independence. there is no doubt the progress he made for _ independence. there is no doubt the progress he made for the _ independence. there is no doubt the progress he made for the cause - independence. there is no doubt the progress he made for the cause of. progress he made for the cause of independence, and the snp's political influence, how much do you think his legacy has been tarnished by the allegations of sexual assault made against him of what she was cleared in the court in scotland? i was interested to read it quote from a former snp mp, he was ill used by many of his former colleagues, particularly saudi has not lived to see his vindication.— see his vindication. there was a difficult period _ see his vindication. there was a difficult period between - see his vindication. there was a difficult period between the - see his vindication. there was a | difficult period between the snp see his vindication. there was a - difficult period between the snp and their former leader, their most prominent _ their former leader, their most prominent leader in alex salmond, you had _ prominent leader in alex salmond, you had the court case in 2020 when he was _ you had the court case in 2020 when he was cleared of allegations of sexual— he was cleared of allegations of sexual misconduct, allegations which he believed were to some extent fabricated by his opponents within the broader nationalist movement. he

then ted _ the broader nationalist movement. he then led a _ the broader nationalist movement. he then led a different party, still pro—independence, but he argued that it was— pro—independence, but he argued that it was about _ pro—independence, but he argued that it was about winning votes on the list system — it was about winning votes on the list system on the scottish parliament and helping the snp and it has— parliament and helping the snp and it has to _ parliament and helping the snp and it has to be said the snp leadership did not— it has to be said the snp leadership did not and — it has to be said the snp leadership did not and do see it —— do not see it in— did not and do see it —— do not see it in this _ did not and do see it —— do not see it in this light, _ did not and do see it —— do not see it in this light, they saw it as an irritant. — it in this light, they saw it as an irritant. in— it in this light, they saw it as an irritant, in rifle and a distraction. alba has lost their leader. — distraction. alba has lost their leader, their guiding light, the snp have lost— leader, their guiding light, the snp have lost a — leader, their guiding light, the snp have lost a former leader and a giant— have lost a former leader and a giant within the wider nationalist movement, and scotland has lost an extremely— movement, and scotland has lost an extremely significant political figure — extremely significant political figure. albeit there were the difficulties and the alarms and distractions of the last few years, and many— distractions of the last few years, and many will miss you garten for that _ and many will miss you garten for that but — and many will miss you garten for that. but he is a gigantic figure within— that. but he is a gigantic figure within their political position in scotland — within their political position in scotland. ~ ., ., ~' within their political position in scotland. ~ ., ., ~ , scotland. what do you think his -aassin scotland. what do you think his passing means _ scotland. what do you think his passing means for _ scotland. what do you think his passing means for the - scotland. what do you think his - passing means for the independence movement and the party he leaves

behind? i movement and the party he leaves behind? ., �* ~' , , behind? i don't think they will be successful or _ behind? i don't think they will be successful or win _ behind? i don't think they will be successful or win seats _ behind? i don't think they will be successful or win seats in - behind? i don't think they will be successful or win seats in their i behind? i don't think they will be i successful or win seats in their own regard. _ successful or win seats in their own regard, including the most recent uk generat— regard, including the most recent uk general election and the previous scottish— general election and the previous scottish parliamentary elections. they were adamant they were still fighting _ they were adamant they were still fighting on. it is a massive blow to that party — fighting on. it is a massive blow to that party. but also perhaps to the wider _ that party. but also perhaps to the wider independence argument, although alex salmond, by absenting himself— although alex salmond, by absenting himself after the 2014 referendum and by— himself after the 2014 referendum and by moving to another party, had shifted _ and by moving to another party, had shifted away from the centre ground of snp _ shifted away from the centre ground of snp politics. the arguments for independence will persist, as he set himself. _ independence will persist, as he set himself, the dream will never die, that is— himself, the dream will never die, that is very— himself, the dream will never die, that is very much the case, carried forward _ that is very much the case, carried forward try— that is very much the case, carried forward by supporters of independence and by the principal party— independence and by the principal party advocating independence, the snp. party advocating independence, the snp the _ party advocating independence, the snp. the case itself is somewhat stuck _ snp. the case itself is somewhat stuck at — snp. the case itself is somewhat stuck at the present moment and in the position— stuck at the present moment and in the position of being slightly stagnant. as he argued, that will

return, _ stagnant. as he argued, that will return, and — stagnant. as he argued, that will return, and the case for independence will be advocated still more vigorously and continuously by supporters— more vigorously and continuously by supporters including the party that he once _ supporters including the party that he once lived.— supporters including the party that he once lived. thank you very much for the scotland _ he once lived. thank you very much for the scotland political _ he once lived. thank you very much for the scotland political editor - for the scotland political editor with his reflections on the life and career of alex salmond. plenty to come on sunday with laura kuenssberg which follows this programme at nine o'clock. do you think we have created a mess? it is deliberate. we are talking about cables and electrical cabling that you 1