the same. you do the school run, how well-behaved — the same. you do the school run, how well-behaved are _ the same. you do the school run, how well-behaved are your— the same. you do the school run, how well-behaved are your kids? - the same. you do the school run, how well-behaved are your kids? not - the same. you do the school run, how well-behaved are your kids? not too i well-behaved are your kids? not too bad, can't complain. _ well-behaved are your kids? not too bad, can't complain. we _ well-behaved are your kids? not too bad, can't complain. we will- well-behaved are your kids? not too bad, can't complain. we will be - bad, can't complain. we will be lookin: bad, can't complain. we will be looking at _ bad, can't complain. we will be looking at the _ bad, can't complain. we will be looking at the economic - bad, can't complain. we will be looking at the economic impact\ bad, can't complain. we will be - looking at the economic impact and benefit of the coach industry and how many billions of pounds the coach passengers add to the towns and cities that they visit. if you are off to kirkham grammar school, thatis are off to kirkham grammar school, that is where the coach go, if the coaches late, it is my fault, don't have a go at phil. i will steer you to our colleagues at the nations and regions to get the news, travel and weather where you are. hello, good morning from bbc london. i'm victoria hollins. children who have lost a brother or sister to knife crime desperately need more support — that's according to young people who have experienced such bereavement themselves. otis lawson was just 13 when his brother,

godwin, was murdered. he now runs a sports and mentoring scheme, but says there needs to be specific help for those who lose a sibling. i've definitely seen people take matters into their own hands and resort to them being violent or them perceiving life in a certain wayjust like life is worthless and end up carrying knives. detectives investigating a fatal shooting in barking at the weekend say the victim was a hard—working, innocent father of two whose life was taken far too soon. 32—year—old hanif redwood was shot in the head near barking station in the early hours of sunday morning. they're questioning two men on suspicion of murder. people travelling to stanstead this weekend are being warned of disruption to rail services to the airport. greater anglia say there will be no direct train services between london liverpool street and stansted airport on sunday due to engineering work. customers are advised to consider using alternative transport. underground workers including

drivers are set to strike next month in a dispute over pay. the union aslef says train drivers and management staff will walk out on the 7th and 12th of november. rmt members including station and signalling staff will also walk out on dates between the 1st and 8th of november. the country s first children's home, the foundling hospital in bloomsbury, is launching a new digital archive featuring over 100,000 pages of records from its archive. the foundling hospital was the first home for children who had been abandoned by their parents. the records, from the early 18th century to the late 19th century, reveals details about the lives of the 27,000 children who grew up at there. all good news on the tubes as all lines are running well. now onto the weather with kawser. hello there, good morning. well, after the overnight rain today, it's a much more settled day. fine and dry, with plenty in the way of sunshine around. there'll be some patchy cloud at times this morning and later this afternoon,

but some good spells of sunshine. and whilst it won't be as warm as it was yesterday, yesterday we reached 22.3 celsius in saintjames's park, this afternoon still reaching the high teens quite widely with light winds. a fine dry evening to come too. but overnight tonight with those light winds, there could be some patches of mist and fog forming by the early hours, especially for the outskirts, and temperatures dipping down to around nine to ten celsius. so some of this mist and fog a bit slow to clear on friday, but friday is largely dry. friday night this weather front sweeps in, bringing with it some outbreaks of rain and then later in the weekend, a deeper area of low pressure approaches, so it will become quite unsettled after a dry day on friday. some rain to come friday night and then saturday, it's an improving day during the afternoon, but then some wet and windy weather arriving overnight into sunday. that's it — head to our website to find out about london's annual diwali celebrations complete with 200 dancers will be taking place in trafalgar square. we're back in half an hour. bye for now.

hello, this is breakfast with naga munchetty and ben thompson. a reminder of our top story. one direction star liam payne has died at the age of 31. police in argentina said he fell from a balcony at a hotel in buenos aires. the singer rose to global fame as a teenager, when one direction were formed on the x factor in 2010. those who knew liam payne during his time on the show have paid tribute. presenter dermot o'leary posted on instagram, saying "the worst news. i remember him as a 1k year old turning up to audition on the x—factor, and blowing us away singing sinatra. hejust loved to sing." singer olly murs says "this news is devastating, i'm lost for words. we always had a good laugh when we saw each other, sometimes the catch—ups were only short and sweet but when we did, it was mostly about how annoyingly good his hair always looked, or our love for becks,

the old x—factor days and the tour we shared together". and rylan clarke tweeted "extremely sad news. very tragic and so young. rest in peace, liam." we can take you to buenos aires where tributes have been paid, and it's about 330 in the morning and fans have been coming and going, lighting candles, sitting quietly, remembering liam payne, who of course, has died at the age of 31 and we understand he fell from a hotel balcony in one srs. liam pa ne, hotel balcony in one srs. liam payne. of— hotel balcony in one srs. liam payne, of course, _ hotel balcony in one srs. liam payne, of course, from - payne, of course, from wolverhampton, it was back in 2010 they were formed and they went on that hiatus and never officially broke up but went on hiatus in 2016 but one of the biggest boy bands in the world at the time. the government has announced an independent review into carers

allowance after families were forced to pay back thousands of pounds in overpayments — pushing many into debt and financial distress. almost one million people receive carer's allowance in the uk — which is currently 81 pounds and 90 pence a week. but for the 175,000 carers who also have a job, it's a so—called "cliff—edge" benefit. if they earn more than £151 a week after tax and expenses , even byjust a few pence, they lose all of the allowance. its a threshold, which in recent years has resulted in many carers being asked to return any benefit overpayments — some have been taken to court after racking up thousands of pounds in debts. the government has announced there will now be an independent review into the way carers allowance is paid and how people can be supported. we'rejoined now by emily holzhausen, from carers uk and also by emma martin, who is a full—time carerfor her daughter. nice to have you with us as well. we

will start with the idea of a cliff edge, because that is a real problem. it's notjust that you lose a little bit, you lose all of it, and that is the crucial issue. absolutely, instead of saying you pay a pound over the limit, you pay back £82, the entirety of the benefit, so it's a really harsh penalty, one of the harshest that exist in the benefit system and when we consider what people are doing to get this benefit, caring for at least 35 hours for people who are severely disabled or older and need help, it is a very harsh penalty. we talked about this before. the issue is somebody might be caring and working at the same time and trying tojuggle both but in some working at the same time and trying to juggle both but in some cases working at the same time and trying tojuggle both but in some cases it means the incentive is to give up work altogether.— means the incentive is to give up work altogether. absolutely, recent research showed _ work altogether. absolutely, recent research showed 40% _

work altogether. absolutely, recent research showed 40% of _ work altogether. absolutely, recent research showed 4096 of carers - work altogether. absolutely, recent research showed 4096 of carers in l research showed 40% of carers in this situation have decided to give up this situation have decided to give up work because they are too terrified about going over the earnings limit and that is tragic for people, people who enjoy working and it's important to them and when families are hard pressed with finances it is vital. we have health assistants, gp surgery workers, teaching assistants, teachers, a whole range of people who have told us that they have stopped work as a result of this earnings limit and we are missing out on talent, and families are put under too much pressure and we need to see the reform of this cliff edge so carers are able to work more on that is what they want to do, they want to continue caring for their relatives and earn more. we continue caring for their relatives and earn more.— continue caring for their relatives and earn more. ~ .. ., ., ., and earn more. we can hear from emma because you _ and earn more. we can hear from emma because you have _ and earn more. we can hear from emma because you have been _ and earn more. we can hear from emma because you have been in _ and earn more. we can hear from emma because you have been in this _ because you have been in this situation. tell me about your situation. tell me about your situation because you care for your daughter, mia.

situation because you care for your daughter. mia-— daughter, mia. yes, mia is 27 now and honestly _ daughter, mia. yes, mia is 27 now and honestly been _ daughter, mia. yes, mia is 27 now and honestly been caring - daughter, mia. yes, mia is 27 now and honestly been caring for- daughter, mia. yes, mia is 27 now and honestly been caring for her. daughter, mia. yes, mia is 27 now i and honestly been caring for her her whole _ and honestly been caring for her her whole life _ and honestly been caring for her her whole life and juggling work and full time — whole life and juggling work and full time caring is hard enough in itself_ full time caring is hard enough in itself without having to worry about whether _ itself without having to worry about whether we are earning a few pence over i'm _ whether we are earning a few pence over i'm going to be penalised for it, over i'm going to be penalised for it. and _ over i'm going to be penalised for it. and it's — over i'm going to be penalised for it. and it's a — over i'm going to be penalised for it, and it's a complex system that is broken — it, and it's a complex system that is broken and it's not fit for us, not fit — is broken and it's not fit for us, not fit for— is broken and it's not fit for us, not fit for purpose and we had enough — not fit for purpose and we had enough to deal with without having this on_ enough to deal with without having this on top— enough to deal with without having this on top of everything else as welt _ this on top of everything else as well. ~ . this on top of everything else as well. . ., ., , , this on top of everything else as well. . ,, this on top of everything else as well. ., ,, this on top of everything else as well. . ,, ., well. what happened, because you are workin: well. what happened, because you are working part-time _ well. what happened, because you are working part-time and _ well. what happened, because you are working part-time and as _ well. what happened, because you are working part-time and as emma - working part—time and as emma alluded to, you can be difficult to know when you have tipped over the threshold. , ., , ,., , ., know when you have tipped over the threshold. , ., , , ., ., threshold. yes, absolutely. i got a letterthrough _ threshold. yes, absolutely. i got a letter through the _ threshold. yes, absolutely. i got a letter through the post _ threshold. yes, absolutely. i got a letter through the post saying - threshold. yes, absolutely. i got a letter through the post saying i - letter through the post saying i

owed _ letter through the post saying i owed around £1500 from the dwp, and that was— owed around £1500 from the dwp, and that was really it. there was no support— that was really it. there was no support system in place and obviously at the time, you panic and it isiust _ obviously at the time, you panic and it isjust something that is really hard _ it isjust something that is really hard to— it isjust something that is really hard to sort get your head around. there _ hard to sort get your head around. there is— hard to sort get your head around. there is no— hard to sort get your head around. there is no one who speak to about it and _ there is no one who speak to about it and it _ there is no one who speak to about it and it is _ there is no one who speak to about it and it is unfair and unreasonable. obviously i had to pay it back _ unreasonable. obviously i had to pay it back. . , ., , it back. that must have been difficult in — it back. that must have been difficult in itself, _ it back. that must have been difficult in itself, because - it back. that must have been| difficult in itself, because you have lost a carer�*s difficult in itself, because you have lost a ca rer�*s allowance difficult in itself, because you have lost a carer�*s allowance and you are having to pay back money you thought you did not owe.— thought you did not owe. absolutely. i borrowed the _ thought you did not owe. absolutely. i borrowed the money, _ thought you did not owe. absolutely. i borrowed the money, and _ thought you did not owe. absolutely. i borrowed the money, and with - i borrowed the money, and with hindsight. — i borrowed the money, and with hindsight, i would i borrowed the money, and with hindsight, iwould have probably said to _ hindsight, iwould have probably said to them i can't afford to pay it back — said to them i can't afford to pay it back but— said to them i can't afford to pay it back. but as i say, there was no support— it back. but as i say, there was no support system in place and we are literally_ support system in place and we are literally getting a letter through the door saying we owe thousands and

it's mortifying. the anxiety and the worry— it's mortifying. the anxiety and the worry and — it's mortifying. the anxiety and the worry and panic is something most people _ worry and panic is something most people could not comprehend. as i say, there's— people could not comprehend. as i say, there's enough of us to hope —— cope _ say, there's enough of us to hope —— cope with _ say, there's enough of us to hope —— cope with caring 24 slash seven. it cope with caring 24 slash seven. strikes me cope with caring 24 slash seven. it strikes me that there are two key issues, one is change of the system going forward but also clearly as we heard in emma's case, people being asked to pay back money that they might not have, and you assume you are entitled to it, so not only racking up debt but going forward you don't have the money either. how do you separate the two in terms of the challenge to reform the system? we want people like emma to feed into the review so it is grounded in people's experience. the dwp, they try and make repayments lower so you

can afford them but even then we have heard from carers that they are struggling to repay and we feel when the dwp could have notified people earlier because they have the information that some of the debts should be written off but in the future we need to look at the processes and make sure carers get advice quickly so they are not in this situation and we need people to be supported when they are in this situation as emma has been, when you get the letter. we need to make sure the system changes quickly. it's a difficult thing to do but we cannot have these people in this situation. emma, in 20 years of looking after your daughter, you want to do that and you adore your daughter and you want the best for her, absolutely. yet you are not supported by the system. when you think of an exchange of services, to be told about this, you are doing quite a

lot, aren't you?— about this, you are doing quite a lot, aren't you? yes, absolutely. mia is full-time, _ lot, aren't you? yes, absolutely. mia is full-time, and _ lot, aren't you? yes, absolutely. mia is full-time, and i'm - lot, aren't you? yes, absolutely. | mia is full-time, and i'm probably mia is full—time, and i'm probably doing _ mia is full—time, and i'm probably doing about ten different roles and how personal care needs and basically— how personal care needs and basically everything. it is a full—time job and i'd like to say most _ full—time job and i'd like to say most of— full—time job and i'd like to say most of us _ full—time job and i'd like to say most of us that are carers to go out and care _ most of us that are carers to go out and care for— most of us that are carers to go out and care for other people in our work _ and care for other people in our work it's— and care for other people in our work. it's really hard and sometimes i don't _ work. it's really hard and sometimes i don't want — work. it's really hard and sometimes i don't want to have to go to work. but idon't want to have to go to work. but if— i don't want to have to go to work. but if i _ idon't want to have to go to work. but if i didn't— i don't want to have to go to work. but if i didn't work i couldn't afford — but if i didn't work i couldn't afford to— but if i didn't work i couldn't afford to live on the £80 90 a week. it is shocking, it's the lowest paid benefit _ it is shocking, it's the lowest paid benefit we — it is shocking, it's the lowest paid benefit we get and i think at the end of— benefit we get and i think at the end of the day unless you are in the situation _ end of the day unless you are in the situation and you have no idea how

hard it— situation and you have no idea how hard it is, — situation and you have no idea how hard it is, and as i say, i'm grateful— hard it is, and as i say, i'm grateful that something is being done _ grateful that something is being done but it is a minuscule drop in the ocean— done but it is a minuscule drop in the ocean as _ done but it is a minuscule drop in the ocean as to the things that need to be _ the ocean as to the things that need to be done _ the ocean as to the things that need to be done for us carers. we are completely— to be done for us carers. we are completely neglected and at the end of the _ completely neglected and at the end of the day you will all go home and carry— of the day you will all go home and carry on— of the day you will all go home and carry on with your lives but we are left unfortunately to navigator system — left unfortunately to navigator system that is completely broken and not fit _ system that is completely broken and not fit for _ system that is completely broken and not fit for carers.— not fit for carers. couldn't have ut it not fit for carers. couldn't have put it better. — not fit for carers. couldn't have put it better. i _ not fit for carers. couldn't have put it better, i don't _ not fit for carers. couldn't have put it better, i don't think. - not fit for carers. couldn't have i put it better, i don't think. you've done a brilliantjob of explaining exactly what carers are facing at this moment and thank you so much for spending time with us. and emily, thank you so much. let's join mike for the sport.

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