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you're watching the context on bbc news. wanted, labour activist to head to america to campaign for kamala harris. it was posted by labour�*s head of operations on linkedin and has since been deleted. they are there as individiuals. they are there in their own time. at their own expense. if there are accommodation they are also provided by volunteers. this happens in every election. its common place. you can go as - a foreign national. you can campaign, speak, you can do tv interviews. i you can give opinion. all of that is very clear. but you have to pay for it yourself. - you cant be seen to be . funded by anybody else — let alone a british government. remember this. in two weeks�* time keir starmer could be ringing president—elect trump if he wins the election.
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with just under two weeks to go now until polling day in the us first the latest headlines for you. the turkish government says an attack at an arms and aerospace factory has killed five people. gunfire and explosions were heard from the site near the capital, ankara. turkey's interior ministe said two attackers —— turkey's interior ministe said two attackers — a man and a woman — had been killed. three people have died at a care home in swanage in dorset. police have said they are treating their deaths as unexplained. four people have been taken to hospital, and the remaining residents have been moved to safety. an investigation is under way involving gas engineers. a woman at the centre of a mass rape trial that has shocked france has given evidence in court for the first time.
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gisele pelicot said shame was not for the victims of sex attacks — only the perpetrators. geoff capes, who competed for great britain in the shot put at three olympic games, and was twice crowned world's strongest man has died at the age of 75. he remains the british record holder for the men's shot put. let's start with the us election — just two weeks to go until the big day — and the uk government has found itself accused of election interference by the trump campaign. this was the post on linkedin that sparked the row. labour's head of operations writing that she had "ten spots available" for anyone willing to travel to north carolina to campaign for kamala harris. remember, north carolina is a crucial swing state — which could determine the outcome of the election. the trump campaign said: "when representatives
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of the british government previously sought to go ...door—to—door in america, it did not end well for them" — a reference to the us' fight for independence from britain nearly 200 and 50 years ago. and it's lodged an official complaint with election regulators . the labour party has categorically rejected claims of interference — and the uk defence secretary says staff campaigning in their own time isn't unusual. and the individual labour supply orders over in the us being part of the democratic election campaign, there are individuals, they are there in their own time, they are there at their own expense, and if they've got accommodation out there, that will also be provided by volunteers. this happens in every election. the leader of the reform uk party, nigel farage —
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who's campaigned for donald trump — has accused labour of directly interfering in the race. didn't say you are going in yourfair time, didn't say you are going in yourfairtime, didn't have didn't say you are going in yourfair time, didn't have to pay airfare, which of the moment is very, very expensive, so you're going to have free accommodation and come if you look at the wording of that advert, there is little doubt that that is against american electoral law. let's turn out to — american electoral law. let's turn out to our— american electoral law. let's turn out to our guests - american electoral law. let's turn out to our guests this i turn out to our guests this evening. bhaskar sunkara is the president of the nation, the founding editor of jacobin, and the author of the socialist manifesto: the case for radical politics in an era of extreme inequalities. justine greening is a former conservative mp. justine, beginning with you, is this a case of election interference? or is this more about donald trump, well, in the words of a guest earlier on the words of a guest earlier on the programme, who described it as performative process for mr trump campaigning about perceived grievances? well, i
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think it will— perceived grievances? well, i think it will be _ perceived grievances? well, i think it will be for _ perceived grievances? well, i think it will be for the - think it will be for the federal election commission to take the ruling. but it looks like it's just normal volunteering with people chipping in to make sure it doesn't cost any more than it really needs to in terms of providing accommodation, so i think it underlinesjust providing accommodation, so i think it underlines just how close the presidential election will be. it may turn on just a few votes, literally. so i think what you see is the republicans probably trying to use anything they can do to get an advantage, but certainly british politicians going over to be part of that american election campaigning isn't at all unusual. the only thing being questioned here is if you like the funding of it, for me there is a relatively straightforward question to get answers to. in the meantime, if you like some of the proportionality of the news versus what's actually happened seems to be a little out of whack. �* , . ~
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seems to be a little out of whack. �*, ., ~ ., whack. let's talk about proportionality. - whack. let's talk about proportionality. will. whack. let's talk about proportionality. will it | whack. let's talk about - proportionality. will it matter to most voters in the us? this particular point that donald trump, his campaign is talking about? . ~ , , about? yeah, i think this is not a big — about? yeah, i think this is not a big story _ about? yeah, i think this is not a big story in _ about? yeah, i think this is| not a big story in the united states _ not a big story in the united states i_ not a big story in the united states. i don't think it will be — states. i don't think it will be this _ states. i don't think it will be. this is a pretty straightforward attempt by trump _ straightforward attempt by trump to flip the narrative on democratic claims about russia's support for his campaign, particularly in 2016, but rather_ campaign, particularly in 2016, but rather than conservative efforts — but rather than conservative efforts by a foreign power, what's _ efforts by a foreign power, what's being accused here is a few dozen— what's being accused here is a few dozen labour volunteers, volunteers i hate to say volunteers i hate to say volunteers are one of the lee successful major parties in the world — successful major parties in the world over to supposedly tilt an election. i think there's very— an election. i think there's very little material value. a linkedln _ very little material value. a linkedln post it does seem like they— linkedln post it does seem like they were travelling on their own— they were travelling on their own dime. even if they didn't plan — own dime. even if they didn't plan to— own dime. even if they didn't plan to come over on their own dime, — plan to come over on their own dime, it— plan to come over on their own dime, it seems like these
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volunteers flip the united states _ volunteers flip the united states. as far as i can tell. nonetheless, could it ruffle the waters if mr trump is elected as the next us president in the relationship between the usa between him and keir starmer? i between the usa between him and keir starmer?— keir starmer? i think it's possible. _ keir starmer? i think it's possible, but _ keir starmer? i think it's possible, but it - keir starmer? i think it's possible, but it depends| keir starmer? i think it's l possible, but it depends in keir starmer? i think it's - possible, but it depends in a sense where people go from here. i think what we've seen at the moment is reallyjust a political play, and a sense, by the republicans. the big issue is whether it becomes any more substance behind it in terms of how both the uk government and the labour government in the uk handle it and also trump and has a publican party, and of course, what happens and the domestic side of this is well the labour party hasn't had an easy first few months in government, and while lots of voters here, they won't really pay so much attention to the story think it is that relevant to them. i think it's just yet
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another story and coming up with the budget.— another story and coming up with the budget. let's move on from that _ with the budget. let's move on from that talking _ with the budget. let's move on from that talking point - with the budget. let's move on from that talking point now- with the budget. let's move on from that talking point now to l from that talking point now to the news of two people that two people who survived the manchester arena bombing in 2017 have won a harassment case at the high court against a man who claims the attack was staged. 22 people were killed. martin hibbert and his daughter eve were left with severe disabilities. they sued richard hall after he claimed they hadn't been at the concert, and had sustained their injuries elsewhere. here's our social media and disinformation correspondent, marianna spring. several others for manchester arena bombing were targeted by the conspiracy theorist in question who posted online about tracking them down to check whether their injuries were real. soul dvds, made money about promoting these
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conspiracy theories i tracking down to a market stall in wales and questioned him about his actions and he said the bbc were wrong about how he operates. and exposing those tactics where he wanted to take legal action this is the first case of its kind in the uk about conspiracy theorists like this and he's come out to say that this is a really company has a victory, but also that it is an important president that it sets and he hopes that it will mean that other people who been targeted like this on social media can havejustice for what's happened to them and i received dozens of messages today or other survivors perhaps there is accountability in the civil courts taking a case like this which is about
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harassment rather than from social media companies and through law enforcement. let's discuss this _ through law enforcement. let's discuss this now _ through law enforcement. let's discuss this now with _ through law enforcement. let's discuss this now with our - discuss this now with our panel. a really, really interesting case on conspiracy theory and the courts, although i said this was a new talking point, it is very much linked back to politics, doesn't it? and in the context of the us presidential election, do you think that this information is having a big impact on the campaign?— having a big impact on the campaign? yes i think this information _ campaign? yes i think this information of— campaign? yes i think this information of course - campaign? yes i think this information of course hasl campaign? yes i think this - information of course has been having an impact, but i been bare on the side of trust that making informed decisions and quality, media will be rewarded and marketplace of ideas. i think that we have to compare carefully about what policies we draw from the attack on disinformation and a bigger moral hazard. state intervention to a lesser degree, orsimply
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intervention to a lesser degree, or simply more disinformation in the public. i think this sort of ruling is a common—sense middle ground that be broadly supported, the media has a responsibly to the public and should be held accountable for its actions. but i do have some worries and other areas, for instance, as a journalist who has written on both sides, very much behind conditions, journalists and the us, namely some very extensive use of libel laws, so in general with this case, with other cases like in the us, we had alex jones �*s claim against sandy hook school shooting victims in a very similar case, successfully pursued in civil court. i think this is common sense, but i am weary of it it's a slippery slope. aha, it's a slippery slope. a slippery slope, how concerned are you about people actually being able to tell fact from reality if they are bombarded with misinformation. in the
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arena of election.— arena of election. the real problem — arena of election. the real problem i _ arena of election. the real problem i welcome - arena of election. the real| problem i welcome today's judgment. some fantastic reporting by the bbc to really .et reporting by the bbc to really get to— reporting by the bbc to really get to the bottom of how these conspiracy theories and deserve to know— conspiracy theories and deserve to know that there are some standards in the news that are being — standards in the news that are being fed. in deliberately in a sense — being fed. in deliberately in a sense and should be accountability in this case it came — accountability in this case it came withjust a huge amount for people who have already suffered imaginatively in a terrible _ suffered imaginatively in a terrible terrorist attack. the impact _ terrible terrorist attack. the impact on ordinary people, the election — impact on ordinary people, the election. it is even more important. more accountability for people who are putting out stuff _ for people who are putting out stuff that is essentially false
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is what _ stuff that is essentially false is what we need.— stuff that is essentially false is what we need. i'm 'ust going to do a rule h is what we need. i'm 'ust going to do a little promo _ is what we need. i'm just going to do a little promo for - to do a little promo for tomorrow evening context programme, the look at artificial intelligence, we are going to be examining this question of misinformation that is out there. the role of ai in that and how people can actually determine what is factual from what is fiction. our panel will stay with us, but for right now, around the world, and across the uk, this is bbc news.
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let's turn to the middle east now. the world health organization has postponed a planned mass polio vaccination campaign in northern gaza. it's blamed escalating violence and a lack of assured humanitarian pauses.
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dozens of teams were ready with thousands of doses of the vaccine — reaching children for the crucial second round of immunisation. the polio virus was found in waste water in gaza earlier this year, and at least once child became paralysed after being infected. meanwhile, antony blinken has been visiting the region as part of a push for a ceasefire in gaza. today he arrived in saudi arabia — where he held talks with saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman. on tuesday he told israeli leaders that much more needs to be done to get humanitarian aid to civilians in besieged northern gaza, raising possible consequences in us law if action isn t taken. what possible consequences do you think there could be for israel if these pauses, humanitarian pauses are not agreed? we know that the first round of a polio vaccination,
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the north of gaza, though, is really under pressure, the un said this a great pause isn't an assured pauses happening to allow the teams to go in and deliver the second round of the polio vaccine. now, we know that the usa, the white house has given a deadline for israel to actually but what consequences might there be a? that deadline extends beyond the presidential election. there are diplomatic consequences in terms of un resolutions, security council resolutions, security council resolutions, clear international humanitarian law, everybody, whichever country has to stay within that the us essentially provides the arms is really soothing to prosecute the war both in
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