summit in samoa. but this time the discussion needs to be had about the history of this and the ill effects of what happened after slavery was abolished which continue to affect our societies today. turkey hits sites in iraq and syria linked to kurdish separatists — in response to an attack near ankara that left five dead. and workers at the troubled plane—maker boeing reject a new wage offer, extending a financially crippling six—week strike. hello, i'm lucy hockings, welcome to bbc news now, three hours of fast—moving news, interviews and reaction. the bbc has learned that commonwealth leaders are preparing to defy the uk at their summit in samoa by agreeing to examine ways of securing reparatoryjustice for the tra ns—atla ntic slave trade. british prime minister,

sir keir starmer, is now in samoa for the summit. on wednesday, sir keir starmer said that there was "no reparations could cost the uk billions of dollars. on wednesday, sir keir starmer said that there was "no question" slavery was "abhorrent", but he wanted the meeting on the pacific island to focus on the "here and now" downing street had previously said that reparations would not be on the agenda for the meeting. king charles and queen camilla are present for the commonwealth heads of government meeting. the couple will complete a day of engagements before meeting with commonwealth leaders at the end of the week. frederick mitchell is the foreign minister of the bahamas. he says that the time has come to talk about reparations. i think at the moment caricom countries want the conversation to start about it. there appears to be even a reluctance to have the conversation start. many of the institutions in the uk have already conceded the point of apology, the british government isn't quite there.

but at this time the discussion needs to be had about the history of this and the ill effects of what happened after slavery was abolished which continue to affect our societies today. our political editor chris mason gathered the thoughts of sir keir starmer on the way to samoa. the british prime minister emphasising to us on the plane here, the 28—hourjourney from the uk, but as far as the conversation about reparations was concerned he felt that it was too backward—looking, he didn't want conversations to get bogged down over it, and instead he wanted to focus on the future, around trade and climate change, for instance. but now courtesy of this leak to our colleaguejames landale, the bbc�*s diplomatic correspondent, we have seen a draft communique, that is summit speak for the draft conclusions of an event like this, in which there is a specific reference in a couple of paragraphs to a desire from some commonwealth countries, as you say, not least those in the caribbean, for a conversation to properly begin about the question of reparations and the suggestions that some countries, the uk among them,

owe, so goes the argument, a debt to countries that feel they were disproportionately enslaved, and there should be apologies for it and there should be financial compensation for it. as far as the uk is concerned, there is no desire to express any apology or indeed to allocate any money. but it does look like it will come up in the conversation here even if it isn't on the formal agenda. let's speak to professor robert beckford now who is a professor of climate and socialjustice at the university of winchester — he has wrote and studied extensively on the subject. very good habits with this. could you explain what the caribbean nations are calling for. , . ., . , for. there is a nuance between reparations _ for. there is a nuance between reparations and _ for. there is a nuance between reparations and preparatory . reparations and preparatory justice. the best way to

explain it is to think of reparations is more legal process focusing on proving that an injustice has taken place and using legal measures as a way of addressing. in contrast, preparatoryjustice is much more spiritualfor want of a better word. it is not punitive in its outcome, instead it seeks reconciliation. it does involve things like truth and reconciliation, restitution but also there has to be a conversation about compensation. two slightly different but related contacts. it was a conversation that all sides need to be party to. there has to be engagement from everyone. but who should lead the process?— the process? that is quite clear. the process? that is quite clear- in _ the process? that is quite clear. in any _ the process? that is quite clear. in any form - the process? that is quite clear. in any form of- clear. in any form of preparatoryjustice or preparatory justice or reparation, it preparatoryjustice or reparation, it has to be victim led, those who are descendants of enslaved africans have to lead the discussions. perpetrators cannot lead. perpetrators cannot lead. perpetrators justice is really mafia justice, perpetrators justice is really mafiajustice, it perpetrators justice is really mafia justice, it is the wrong

way of looking at it. they are within their rights, within the legal and moral structures of law to be raising these questions. it law to be raising these questions. law to be raising these cuestions. _, . ., , questions. it concluded last ear questions. it concluded last year that — questions. it concluded last year that the _ questions. it concluded last year that the uk _ questions. it concluded last year that the uk owed - questions. it concluded last| year that the uk owed more questions. it concluded last - year that the uk owed more than £18 trillion in reparations for their involvement in slavery in different countries. we are talking about massive figures. do most people involved in the process want to see it start with a talk about financial reparation? ihla with a talk about financial reparation?— with a talk about financial rearation? , ., , reparation? no because that is not the way — reparation? no because that is not the way in _ reparation? no because that is not the way in which _ reparation? no because that is not the way in which we - reparation? no because that is not the way in which we do - not the way in which we do reparations or apparent true justice. they all begin with truth seeking. that's what i was happy to hear keir starmer gesturing towards the need to engage in research around this. we have to make sure that the nation understands what slavery entailed. we don't teach in schools, most people can tell you the difference when it comes to caribbean history. it begins with understanding what takes place. then asking the

fundamental question, how do if you heal the wounds? that is at the core of reparations and preparatoryjustice. how do we bring about healing and reparation.— bring about healing and rearation. ~ . ., reparation. what about keir starmer saying _ reparation. what about keir starmer saying that - reparation. what about keir starmer saying that he - reparation. what about keirl starmer saying that he wants discussions to be about facing forward rather than having, what he called an endless discussion about reparations on the pass? he discussion about reparations on the ass? ., , ., ., discussion about reparations on the ass? ., ., ., , the pass? he has got a faulty historiography _ the pass? he has got a faulty historiography or _ the pass? he has got a faulty historiography or a _ the pass? he has got a faulty historiography or a limited i the pass? he has got a faulty. historiography or a limited one lets say. what i mean by that is in many cultures, especially the people he is going to speak to, the past, the present and future are intimately interrelated. it's impossible to african caribbean culture is to african caribbean culture is to talk about the present and future without reflecting on the past. it's a different way of imagining how the world works. i would say he needs to become a bit more culturally sensitive and understand that people understand the past in different ways towards to what he understands it. history is something that we do fantastically well in this country. sir care needs to be a

bit more egalitarian and afford the caribbean nations the historical luxury that we indulge ourselves in this country. we love the past and how looking at it how it impacts the future, they are asking to be treated the same way. asking to be treated the same wa . ., ~' asking to be treated the same wa . ., ~ , ., asking to be treated the same wa. . ~ asking to be treated the same wa. . . ., way. thank you so much for “oininu way. thank you so much for joining us- _ way. thank you so much for joining us- my _ way. thank you so much for joining us. my pleasure. - president putin has warned against what he called illusory attempts to defeat russia on the battlefield. mr putin made the comments while addressing the summit of brics nations which russia is hosting in the city of kazan. he's expected to meet with the un secretary—general, antonio guterres, who's attending the summit to reiterate his long standing opposition to russia's invasion of ukraine. china's president xijinping told the summit that brics nations should be a stabilising force for peace. let's speak to anna matveeva — senior research fellow at kings college london and former bbc russian commentator. very good to have you with us. we have seen president putin

selling the summit as being a diplomatic triumph, anna, but what do you think it represents at the moment in terms of russia's influence and power? i think it's a very important summit because it is a sign of a shifting global order. we are seeing that the relative power which the us and western led order has been dominant in the world in the last 30 years, at least now it's becoming a bit less certain. there are also other global powers coming up and they are significant. we are seeing the leaders there. we are seeing for example, vladimir putin's dialogue with india and china is happening within brics. we see also the

president who is also saying that we would like to join. there are 30 countries queueing tojoin brics in one way or another. so, yes, we are seeing signs that global order is changing and brics is an important part of that. bi; important part of that. by lookin: important part of that. by looking at live pictures coming from us from the summit, it really is impressive at the gathering. you have mentioned some of the leaders there. you have had the leader of india and south africa saying that there needs to be an end to the war in ukraine. so there is obviously not unified in terms of their messaging. is that significant that we are not getting unified message from this? ., , , .., this? not very significant because _ this? not very significant because if _ this? not very significant because if you _ this? not very significant because if you look - this? not very significant because if you look from | this? not very significant. because if you look from the perspective of brics countries, ukraine isjust perspective of brics countries, ukraine is just another crisis in the series of global crisis

for them, for example the crisis in the middle east is much more of an important matter because some of them... iran is a member of brics. so this is something that is very close to their political and security concerns. the war in ukraine is largely stagnant. people have been reacting to it with a shock but an adaptation to the war has happened. it is not really going one way or another. for brics, the important thing is the threat of the war on ukraine on global markets in the financial equation, that's the important thing. equation, that's the important thin. . ., equation, that's the important thin. ., , equation, that's the important thin. . , . turkey's government says its military has struck sites in iraq and syria linked to the kurdish militant group pkk, which is in the frame for an attack near ankara that killed at least five people.

a statement from the ministry of defence said a total of 32 targets had been destroyed in the ongoing operation. turkish officials said the attack on wednesday on a state— owned arms and aerospace company was carried out by two ragip soylu is the turkey bureau chief for the middle east eye in ankara — he says there's no official confirmation the pkk is responsible. there has been no official claim by the pkk or any other group but the turkish interior ministry said yesterday the initial indications suggest the attack was conducted by the pkk, the identification process is still ongoing, and there's been no official announcement by the government on the specific identities of the attackers. the strikes happened overnight in northern syria and northern iraq and there were also separate strikes by the turkish intelligence agency as well because they have drone capabilities, and as far as i can see in northern syria they mainly targeted the oil infrastructure controlled by the kurdish groups over there.

the turkish intelligence also hit some of the tunnels and the basements and safe—guarded weapons depots but there are also reports on the ground suggesting there had been air strikes in the urban centres as well. this is an important moment in turkey because this week a key member of the turkish government called for talks with the jailed pkk leader abdullah 0calan and after that public announcement this attack occurred. so widely in turkey this was interpreted as a pkk response to the turkish government's call for new talks. and it is really sensitive because at the same time this person, the most turkish nationalist politican that you can ever imagine, took a huge risk for these kind of talks and then this response perceived as basically a war declaration by the pkk. but as you can see there's been no official announcement by the pkk to claim the attack, so we will have to see over the weekend and in the coming days to see where this alleged peace process or this invitation by the government to

hold talks is going. i mean, there is a discussion whether this was a coordinated move by the pkk or some elements within the pkk, because as you know pkk is a large group of subgroups. it has offshoots in syria, it has offshoots in iran, it has manpower on the ground to some degree in turkey as well. in turkey as well. it is really decentralised at this point. it is really decentralised at this point. but there are some groups that but there are some groups that are close to the regional are close to the regional countries, there are countries, there are some groups who are some groups who are basically more open basically more open to talk to the turkish state to talk to the turkish state as well, so at this point as well, so at this point we cannot be really sure we cannot be really sure whether this was coordinated whether this was coordinated or some sort of disagreement or some sort of disagreement within the group itself. within the group itself. the latest from turkey there. the latest from turkey there. if you want more on all of our if you want more on all of our top stories, don't forget you top stories, don't forget you can go to the bbc website. can go to the bbc website. there is a live page as we there is a live page as we countdown to the us countdown to the us presidential elections. presidential elections. around the world around the world and across the uk. and across the uk. this is bbc news. this is bbc news.

welcome back. more than 30,000 factory workers at boeing have rejected a new wage offer, prolonging a strike that's crippling the finances of the troubled plane maker. the company's proposal included a 35% pay increase over four years. let's speak to our international business correspondent theo leggett. just remind us why they are striking and also why they have rejected this particular offer. this involves some 33,000 workers in the pacific northwest of the united states, mainly in the seattle area where there is this cluster of factories where they make these planes. these workers are due a new four—year contract and agreement between the unions representing the workers and bowing over what their pay and conditions will be over the

next four years. what boeing was offering didn't seem to be any near enough for the workforce. six weeks ago they rejected the offer and went on strike. boeing's second offer was an improvement but wasn't enough. this goes back to deep—seated resentment in the workforce at the over a period going back over ten years. boeing was in a position of strength and when it was a go shooting with its workforce, repeating ly trying to rein in their pay. for example, in one unpopular move took away their pensions. they are fighting fire for the number of funds and review its safety and quality and control procedures across the shop floor. it has got problems with its 777 x programme, a new version of the long haul aircraft coming in. the problem with its space programme. all of these problems are coming to bear and

at the moment the workforce has strength so it has been able to play hardball with boeing and refused to take the terms that were offered. the latest offer from boeing, a lot of people thought it would go through but it was still rejected by two thirds of the workforce in that region. thirds of the workforce in that reuion. ., ., ., .,, thirds of the workforce in that reuion. ., ., ., , region. how damaging has this been for boeing? _ region. how damaging has this been for boeing? we - region. how damaging has this been for boeing? we had - region. how damaging has this been for boeing? we had the l been for boeing? we had the latest financial _ been for boeing? we had the latest financial results - latest financial results yesterday, $6.1 billion loss in the three months to the end of september. some of that is simply problems with aircraft programmes, one—off charges but it is also burning through cash and because if you have factories at a standstill, you are not building planes and if you are not building claims they are not being delivered and you are not bringing in cash. boeing has a very full order book, backlog worth some $500 trillion 1533 00:17:50,473 --> 00:1