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voters? trump is interviewed byjoe rogan, who is podcast is popular with young men. and harris will bring beyonce onto stage with her at a rally. what is driving the wedge between male and female voters in female voters in between male and female voters in america? america? hello and welcome to newsnight, hello and welcome to newsnight, your home of interviews and us election insights. your home of interviews on newsnight tonight, on newsnight tonight, former british ambassador former british ambassador in washington, lord kim darroch, in washington, lord kim darroch, playwright bonnie greer, playwright bonnie greer, and we've got a trio of the bbc�*s and we've got a trio of the bbc�*s best us election podcasters. best us election podcasters. america—watcher gabriel gatehouse, america—watcher gabriel gatehouse, and the bbc�*s social media and the bbc�*s social media investigations correspondent investigations correspondent marianna spring. and from houston, texas, marianna spring. and from houston, texas, where kamala harris and beyonce where kamala harris and beyonce will rally tonight, the bbc�*s will rally tonight, the bbc�*s north america correspondent north america correspondent anthony zurcher. anthony zurcher.

welcome to all of you. but before we talk about podcasts, some breaking old media news tonight. one of america's most read newspapers, the washington post,

one of america's most read newspapers, th of iashington post, one of america's most read newspapers, th of amazon, 1 post, one of america's most read newspapers, th of amazon, has st, one of america's most read newspapers, th of amazon, has a , one of america's most read newspapers, th of amazon, has a lot jeff bezos, ceo of amazon, has a lot of government contracts, and they fear that he made this call because he was worried that donald trump if they endorsed kamala harris would use the power of the presidency to punish amazon, and we did here reports also that they were preparing to endorsed kamala harris, we already had an editorial to that effect. �* . , , ., effect. and we have this bizarre situation where _ effect. and we have this bizarre situation where the _ effect. and we have this bizarre situation where the washington effect. and we have this bizarre - situation where the washington post has written a new story quoting anonymous sources from the washington post saying that staff had a meltdown. it is washington post saying that staff had a meltdown.— had a meltdown. it is a funny situation. — had a meltdown. it is a funny situation, and _ had a meltdown. it is a funny situation, and it _ had a meltdown. it is a funny situation, and it plays - had a meltdown. it is a funny situation, and it plays out. had a meltdown. it is a funny - situation, and it plays out similar to what happen with the los angeles times last week, where they were preparing to endorsed kamala harris, and the owner of that paper said that he decided that the paper should not take a stand on this and have either an evenhanded editorial or not do anything. so this is

playing out again in american politics. playing out again in american olitics. �* , ., , politics. and in terms of the news that is unfolding _ politics. and in terms of the news that is unfolding throughout - politics. and in terms of the news that is unfolding throughout the l that is unfolding throughout the rest of today, it is basically unfolding in the state you are in, texas, harris and trump are both are doing different things. it is texas, harris and trump are both are doing different things.— doing different things. it is a remarkable _ doing different things. it is a remarkable development - doing different things. it is a l remarkable development that doing different things. it is a - remarkable development that i'm doing different things. it 3 —. remarkable development that i'm here in texas a week before the election, texasis in texas a week before the election, texas is not an electoral battleground by many a stretch, it will be won by donald trump, harris is here because she wants to talk about the abortion laws that have no exception for rape or incest, and says this will be the future of donald trump wins. i'm donald trump it here becausejoe rogan is here in austin, about two and a half hour drive from here.— austin, about two and a half hour drive from here. thank you, anthony, we hoe drive from here. thank you, anthony, we hepe you — drive from here. thank you, anthony, we hope you have _ drive from here. thank you, anthony, we hope you have some _ drive from here. thank you, anthony, we hope you have some great - drive from here. thank you, anthony, we hope you have some great pod - we hope you have some great pod casting over the next ten days. bonnie, will you be cancelling your washington post subscription tonight? i washington post subscription toniaht? . washington post subscription toniuht? . . washington post subscription toniaht? . ., ., tonight? i cancelled it a long time auo,

tonight? i cancelled it a long time aao, and tonight? i cancelled it a long time ago. and i'm _ tonight? i cancelled it a long time ago. and i'm glad _ tonight? i cancelled it a long time ago, and i'm glad i— tonight? i cancelled it a long time ago, and i'm glad i did. _ tonight? i cancelled it a long time ago, and i'm glad i did. to - tonight? i cancelled it a long time ago, and i'm glad i did. to say - tonight? i cancelled it a long time | ago, and i'm glad i did. to say this about— ago, and i'm glad i did. to say this about the — ago, and i'm glad i did. to say this about the washington post, that they don't endorse. i grew up in the 705, the washington post was the paper. it was _ the washington post was the paper. it was the _ the washington post was the paper. it was the paper that broke watergate, that knew what was happening. that is rubbish, ok? this is corporate — happening. that is rubbish, ok? this is corporate decision. thi5 happening. that is rubbish, ok? this is corporate decision. this is i5 corporate decision. this is outrageous. is corporate decision. this is outrageous— is corporate decision. this is outrareous. ., �* , , outrageous. but aren't they 'ust bein: outrageous. but aren't they 'ust being impartial, i outrageous. but aren't they 'ust being impartial, like i outrageous. but aren't they 'ust being impartial, like the i outrageous. but aren't theyjust being impartial, like the bbc, i outrageous. but aren't they just. being impartial, like the bbc, for example? in being impartial, like the bbc, for examle? �* . ., example? in america, ma'or newspapers endorse. for example? in america, major| newspapers endorse. for the new5paper5 endorse. for the washington post not to do that this statement, and for the la times. this is— statement, and for the la times. this is their— statement, and for the la times. this is their former attorney general, _ this is their former attorney general, this is the former senator from _ general, this is the former senator from the _ general, this is the former senator from the state. this is like, what is this? _ from the state. this is like, what is this? so— from the state. this is like, what is this? so we know what it is. gabriel. — is this? so we know what it is. gabriel, what is your theory? it kind of feels like the atheist deathbed conversion, you know what you mean? if there is no god, then

there is no harm done, butjust in case there is, you know, better get get in their good books. obviously this is a business decision in part, and jeff bezos will be looking at his mate, are not met, elon musk, who is right in there were donald trump and thinking, if my business is going to suffer down the tracks because of this, then best get out. but bonnie, to your point, the washington post didn't endorse anyone until 1976, just after they broke watergate, so there is something to be said for that. well, but ou something to be said for that. well, but you know. _ something to be said for that. well, but you know, we _ something to be said for that. well, but you know, we are _ something to be said for that. well, but you know, we are talking - something to be said for that. well, but you know, we are talking about how _ but you know, we are talking about now. everything changed in 76. that paper— now. everything changed in 76. that paper became a superstar, and it was because _ paper became a superstar, and it was because of— paper became a superstar, and it was because of watergate and everything else, so _ because of watergate and everything else, so people grow up thinking of the washington post in that way, and for them _ the washington post in that way, and for them not to say who we're for, and we _ for them not to say who we're for, and we are — for them not to say who we're for,

and we are neutral. and for them not to say who we're for, and we are neutral.— for them not to say who we're for, and we are neutral. and kim, we are speculating — and we are neutral. and kim, we are speculating on _ and we are neutral. and kim, we are speculating on the _ and we are neutral. and kim, we are speculating on the motives - and we are neutral. and kim, we are speculating on the motives of - and we are neutral. and kim, we arej speculating on the motives of people behind this, but if one of the motives is the fear of donald trump bearing a grudge and coming out against them, you know what it is like to be the victim of that. yes. like to be the victim of that. yes, but look, when _ like to be the victim of that. yes, but look, when i _ like to be the victim of that. yes, but look, when i was _ like to be the victim of that. yes, but look, when i was in _ like to be the victim of that. yes, but look, when i was in washington, jeff bezos— but look, when i was in washington, jeff bezos feuded _ but look, when i was in washington, jeff bezos feuded constantly - but look, when i was in washington, jeff bezos feuded constantly with - jeff bezos feuded constantly with donald _ jeff bezos feuded constantly with donald trump _ jeff bezos feuded constantly with donald trump during _ jeff bezos feuded constantly with donald trump during his - jeff bezos feuded constantly with donald trump during his first - jeff bezos feuded constantly with . donald trump during his first term. he then _ donald trump during his first term. he then celebrated _ donald trump during his first term. he then celebrated joe _ donald trump during his first term. he then celebrated joe biden's - he then celebrated joe biden's election. — he then celebrated joe biden's election, and _ he then celebrated joe biden's election, and i— he then celebrated joe biden's election, and i think— he then celebrated joe biden's election, and i think are - he then celebrated joe biden's election, and i think are than. he then celebrated joe biden'sl election, and i think are than $1 million _ election, and i think are than $1 million to— election, and i think are than $1 million to the _ election, and i think are than $1 million to the harris campaign. | election, and i think are than $1. million to the harris campaign. so this sits _ million to the harris campaign. so this sits a bit _ million to the harris campaign. so this 5it5 a bit oddly _ million to the harris campaign. so this 5it5 a bit oddly with _ million to the harris campaign. so this 5it5 a bit oddly with all- million to the harris campaign. so this 5it5 a bit oddly with all of- this 5it5 a bit oddly with all of that — this 5it5 a bit oddly with all of that it — this 5it5 a bit oddly with all of that. it does _ this 5it5 a bit oddly with all of that. it does feel— this 5it5 a bit oddly with all of that. it does feel to - this 5it5 a bit oddly with all of that. it does feel to me - this 5it5 a bit oddly with all of that. it does feel to me veryl this 5it5 a bit oddly with all of- that. it does feel to me very much like trump — that. it does feel to me very much like trump goes _ that. it does feel to me very much like trump goes after _ that. it does feel to me very much like trump goes after people, - that. it does feel to me very much like trump goes after people, he i like trump goes after people, he believes— like trump goes after people, he believes in— like trump goes after people, he believes in revenge _ like trump goes after people, he believes in revenge and - like trump goes after people, he i believes in revenge and retribution, and very— believes in revenge and retribution, and very close. _ believes in revenge and retribution, and very close. and _ believes in revenge and retribution, and very close, and some _ believes in revenge and retribution, and very close, and some might - believes in revenge and retribution, j and very close, and some might say he has _ and very close, and some might say he has the _ and very close, and some might say he has the likely— and very close, and some might say he has the likely winner _ and very close, and some might say he has the likely winner now. - and very close, and some might say he has the likely winner now. view5| he has the likely winner now. views can differ_ he has the likely winner now. views can differ on — he has the likely winner now. views can differ on that. _ he has the likely winner now. views can differ on that. but _ he has the likely winner now. views can differ on that. but it— he has the likely winner now. views can differ on that. but it does- he has the likely winner now. views can differ on that. but it does feel. can differ on that. but it does feel to me _ can differ on that. but it does feel to me like — can differ on that. but it does feel to me like bezos _ can differ on that. but it does feel to me like bezos i5 _ can differ on that. but it does feel to me like bezos is leaning - can differ on that. but it does feel to me like bezos is leaning off- can differ on that. but it does feel to me like bezos is leaning off on| to me like bezos is leaning off on this and _ to me like bezos is leaning off on this and that he _ to me like bezos is leaning off on this and that he doesn't - to me like bezos is leaning off on this and that he doesn't make - to me like bezos is leaning off on this and that he doesn't make an| this and that he doesn't make an enemy— this and that he doesn't make an enemy of— this and that he doesn't make an enemy of trump _ this and that he doesn't make an enemy of trump if _ this and that he doesn't make an enemy of trump if he _ this and that he doesn't make an enemy of trump if he is - this and that he doesn't make an enemy of trump if he is about i this and that he doesn't make an enemy of trump if he is about toj enemy of trump if he is about to come _ enemy of trump if he is about to come president. _ enemy of trump if he is about to come president.— enemy of trump if he is about to come president. help us understand the ower come president. help us understand the power of — come president. help us understand the power of the _ come president. help us understand the power of the washington - come president. help us understand the power of the washington post i the power of the washington post now. bonnie spelt out its power back

then. as an ambassador, is that the one you would go to? thea;r then. as an ambassador, is that the one you would go to?— one you would go to? they still had a reputation — one you would go to? they still had a reputation for _ one you would go to? they still had a reputation for very _ one you would go to? they still had a reputation for very good - one you would go to? they still had a reputation for very good political. a reputation for very good political journalism, — a reputation for very good political journalism, they— a reputation for very good political journalism, they have _ a reputation for very good political journalism, they have great - journalism, they have great colonists _ journalism, they have great colonists. they _ journalism, they have great colonists. they broke - journalism, they have great colonists. they broke a - journalism, they have great colonists. they broke a loti journalism, they have great. colonists. they broke a lot of stories. — colonists. they broke a lot of stories. they— colonists. they broke a lot of stories, they have _ colonists. they broke a lot of stories, they have some - colonists. they broke a lot ofl stories, they have some great sources — stories, they have some great sources inside _ stories, they have some great sources inside the _ 5torie5, they have some great sources inside the trunk- stories, they have some greatj sources inside the trunk white house, — sources inside the trunk white house, and _ sources inside the trunk white house, and they— sources inside the trunk white house, and they were - sources inside the trunk white house, and they were a - sources inside the trunk white i house, and they were a powerful force _ house, and they were a powerful force there _ house, and they were a powerful force there. they _ house, and they were a powerful force there. they are _ house, and they were a powerful force there. they are alongside l house, and they were a powerful. force there. they are alongside the new york— force there. they are alongside the new york times _ force there. they are alongside the new york times of— force there. they are alongside the new york times of the _ force there. they are alongside the new york times of the two - force there. they are alongside the - new york times of the two newspapers that you _ new york times of the two newspapers that you had _ new york times of the two newspapers that you had to— new york times of the two newspapers that you had to read _ new york times of the two newspapers that you had to read every— new york times of the two newspapers that you had to read every morning. . that you had to read every morning. i that you had to read every morning. i have _ that you had to read every morning. i have just _ that you had to read every morning. i have just got — that you had to read every morning. i have just got a _ that you had to read every morning. i have just got a text _ that you had to read every morning. i have just got a text from _ that you had to read every morning. | i have just got a text from somebody who was— i have just got a text from somebody who was in_ i have just got a text from somebody who was in a — i have just got a text from somebody who was in a position to know, and one source — who was in a position to know, and one source is— who was in a position to know, and one source is saying, it is trump against — one source is saying, it is trump against everyone else.— one source is saying, it is trump against everyone else. yes, they have been _ against everyone else. yes, they have been in _ against everyone else. yes, they have been in revolt _ against everyone else. yes, they have been in revolt for _ against everyone else. yes, they have been in revolt for a - against everyone else. yes, they have been in revolt for a couple l against everyone else. yes, they l have been in revolt for a couple of years, but this is the icing on the cake. �* , ., ., . . , . cake. i'm 'ust going to clarify that ou did cake. i'm just going to clarify that you did use _ cake. i'm just going to clarify that you did use a _ cake. i'm just going to clarify that you did use a swear _ cake. i'm just going to clarify that you did use a swear word - cake. i'm just going to clarify that you did use a swear word then, i cake. i'm just going to clarify that. you did use a swear word then, but it is quite late in the day and it is in context, so it is probably

editoriallyjustified. butjust so that we can, and i don't want to ever your sources, that we can, and i don't want to everyoursources, is that we can, and i don't want to ever your sources, is that quite a senior person, is that person speaking for lots of people? it is somebody who _ speaking for lots of people? it is somebody who is in position to know what the _ somebody who is in position to know what the mood is and what has been going _ what the mood is and what has been going on— what the mood is and what has been going on in— what the mood is and what has been going on in the last few days. and marianna, going on in the last few days. and marianna. i _ going on in the last few days. and marianna, i don't _ going on in the last few days. fific marianna, i don't mean to patronise you, but in case anyone is thinking, the washington what? i you, but in case anyone is thinking, the washington what?— you, but in case anyone is thinking, the washington what? i was thinking that the last time _ the washington what? i was thinking that the last time | _ the washington what? i was thinking that the last time i was _ the washington what? i was thinking that the last time i was on _ that the last time i was on newsnight was just before the uk election and we were having a similar conversation about who the uk papers would endorse on what that meant, and papers endorsing keir starmer here in the uk which you might not have expected to before and stuff like that, and it is so interesting because obviously that is still something that is important in the political world, but in the social media world that i spend way too much of my time investigating, this stuff doesn't really fly. something like this where there is controversy around it and people sharing their opinions, it does pick up sharing their opinions, it does pick up a little bit of traction, but on the whole, it doesn't feel like perhaps, if you are an undecided

voters, will it make a difference? who knows?— voters, will it make a difference? who knows? �* ., . . . , who knows? bonnie, we have already seen two papers doing _ who knows? bonnie, we have already seen two papers doing this, _ who knows? bonnie, we have already seen two papers doing this, will - who knows? bonnie, we have already seen two papers doing this, will we i seen two papers doing this, will we seen two papers doing this, will we see more? hot seen two papers doing this, will we see more? ., , ., , , , see more? not 'ust two papers! it is the la times. — see more? notjust two papers! it is the la times. you _ see more? notjust two papers! it is the la times. you have _ see more? notjust two papers! it is the la times. you have only - see more? notjust two papers! it is the la times. you have only got - the la times. you have only got the la the la times. you have only got the m times, _ the la times. you have only got the la times, the washington post. the new york— la times, the washington post. the new york times, the shah cargo tribune — new york times, the shah cargo tribune -- — new york times, the shah cargo tribune —— the chicago tribune, those _ tribune —— the chicago tribune, those are — tribune —— the chicago tribune, those are the ones who will set the pace, _ those are the ones who will set the pace, and — those are the ones who will set the pace, and a5 those are the ones who will set the pace, and as you say, social media is another— pace, and as you say, social media is another world. but the newspapers still e>

don't have a huge _ than reading newspapers. yes, they don't have a huge newspaper - don't have a huge newspaper circulation. _ don't have a huge newspaper circulation, compared - don't have a huge newspaper circulation, compared to - don't have a huge newspaper circulation, compared to the i don't have a huge newspaper- circulation, compared to the sight of the _ circulation, compared to the sight of the market. _ circulation, compared to the sight of the market, but _ circulation, compared to the sight of the market, but they _ circulation, compared to the sight of the market, but they are - of the market, but they are influential— of the market, but they are influential among - of the market, but they are influential among people i of the market, but they are influential among people in government— influential among people in government and _ influential among people in government and amongst l influential among people in— government and amongst commentators, they still— government and amongst commentators, they still carry — government and amongst commentators, they still carry a _ government and amongst commentators, they still carry a lot — government and amongst commentators, they still carry a lot of— government and amongst commentators, they still carry a lot of clout, _ government and amongst commentators, they still carry a lot of clout, and - they still carry a lot of clout, and they still carry a lot of clout, and the spirit — they still carry a lot of clout, and the spirit of— they still carry a lot of clout, and the spirit of woodward _ they still carry a lot of clout, and the spirit of woodward and - they still carry a lot of clout, and - the spirit of woodward and bernstein lives on. _ the spirit of woodward and bernstein lives on. and — the spirit of woodward and bernstein lives on, and what _ the spirit of woodward and bernstein lives on, and what that _ the spirit of woodward and bernstein lives on, and what that says - the spirit of woodward and bernstein lives on, and what that says about i lives on, and what that says about being _ lives on, and what that says about being an _ lives on, and what that says about being an uproar, _ lives on, and what that says about being an uproar, i_ lives on, and what that says about being an uproar, i absolutely- being an uproar, i absolutely believe — being an uproar, i absolutely believe it _ being an uproar, i absolutely believe it-— believe it. there is a way of lookin: believe it. there is a way of looking at _ believe it. there is a way of looking at this, _ believe it. there is a way of looking at this, a _ believe it. there is a way of i looking at this, a counterpoint believe it. there is a way of - looking at this, a counterpoint to jeff bezos — looking at this, a counterpoint to jeff bezos in the washington post, elon musk i5 jeff bezos in the washington post, elon musk is right in the trump camp, — elon musk is right in the trump camp, he — elon musk is right in the trump camp, he has poured $120 million, in a way— camp, he has poured $120 million, in a way we _ camp, he has poured $120 million, in a way we can— camp, he has poured $120 million, in a way we can say, has america turned into a _ a way we can say, has america turned into a country run by oligarchs? and we have a into a country run by oligarchs? fific we have a tweet here. i don't know what this is going to say. an endorsement of kamala harris was drafted by post staffers but had yet to be published, according t