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donald trump. a rally in new york is attacked as racist and misogynist by democrats and some republicans. will he alienate the all—important swing voters this coin toss rates for the white house? and more budget trails as reports suggest rachel reeves will raise the minimum wage by 6% on wednesday. we have the latest. welcome to newsnight, where each weeknight we're bringing you insight and interviews into the us election. the king of new york is back to
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reclaim — the king of new york is back to reclaim the city that he built. and insight and interviews into the uk budget. let me introduce your panellists this evening — sir alex younger, a man who's had a 30—year career as a british intelligence officer, serving in europe, the middle east and afghanistan. he was the head of mi6 between 2014 and 2020, a period that covered donald trump's presidency. and jonathan ashworth, chief executive of labour together, which is a thinktank already working on how labour can win the next and insight and interviews into the uk budget. general election, and he is close to the labour leadership. and nick, as always. in the us, donald trump is in the battleground state of georgia tonight. mr trump lost georgia — a typically red state for decades — by fewer than 12,000 votes in 2020. last night, the former president hosted a rally in new york's madison square garden. it was his last big pitch
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to undecided voters, and the evening included what have been described as crude and racist remarks, as well as a number of inaccurate and false statements. here's the stand—up comic tony hinchcliffe, who opened the rally. and, before we play you this, here's a fact to keep in your mind — according to newsweek, there are nearly half a million puerto ricans in the crucial swing state of pennslyvania, as well as tens of thousands in every other one of the six swing states. i don't know if you guys know but there is literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. i think it's called puerto rico. 0k, all right. the latinos love making babies. just know that, they do. there is no pulling out. they don't do that. they come inside, just like they did to our country.
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the trump campaign has distanced itself from hinchliffe�*s comments, amid a mounting backlash. next, there was trump loyalist and former fox host tucker carlson on vice—president kamala harris. is going to be pretty hard to look at us _ is going to be pretty hard to look at us and — is going to be pretty hard to look at us and say, you know what, kamala harris, _ at us and say, you know what, kamala harris, she _ at us and say, you know what, kamala harris, she got 85 million votes because — harris, she got 85 million votes because she's so impressive. as the first samoan — because she's so impressive. as the first samoan relation, low iq former california _ first samoan relation, low iq former california prosecutor ever to be elected — california prosecutor ever to be elected president, it was a groundswell of popular support. anyone — groundswell of popular support. anyone who thinks otherwise is a freak— anyone who thinks otherwise is a freak or— anyone who thinks otherwise is a freak or a — anyone who thinks otherwise is a freak or a criminal. kamala harris and her deputy, tim walz, have announced a swing state blitz for the final week before election day, beginning in michigan today. here's what tim walz and colleague alexandria 0casio—cortez said about the comments at the trump rally. there are hundreds of thousands of puerto ricans in battleground states
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and we need to send them a message. i want them to, like, i want everybody in philadelphia to see that clip. it is silly. 0ne everybody in philadelphia to see that clip. it is silly. one should io that clip. it is silly. one should go and — that clip. it is silly. one should go and see _ that clip. it is silly. one should go and see that clip. let's talk to an expert on latino voting patterns, a former republican consultant, mike madrid, and jen kerns, a republican who was at the rally yesterday and is of puerto rican heritage. welcome, both of you. mr madrid, what did that really represent to you? what did that really represent to ou? �* , ., ., , you? it's a reminder of why americans _ you? it's a reminder of why americans voted _ you? it's a reminder of why americans voted for - you? it's a reminder of whyj americans voted for donald you? it's a reminder of why - americans voted for donald trump four years ago, a reminder that he surrounds himself with some of the worst people that are not interested at all in governing and are interested in driving a wedge between americans, and i think when we see the results from the obvious massive backlash they are receiving mail from the puerto massive backlash they are receiving mailfrom the puerto rican community and the less you know community and
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disaffected republicans, determine or stop the battleground states, specifically pennsylvania. harper or stop the battleground states, specifically pennsylvania. how did it feel to you? _ specifically pennsylvania. how did it feel to you? i _ specifically pennsylvania. how did it feel to you? ithink— specifically pennsylvania. how did it feel to you? i think this - specifically pennsylvania. how did it feel to you? i think this is what | it feel to you? i think this is what is really happening _ it feel to you? i think this is what is really happening in _ it feel to you? i think this is what is really happening in america . is really happening in america today, — is really happening in america today, which is a tale of two mcron americas, — today, which is a tale of two mcron americas, he — today, which is a tale of two mcron americas, he left saying this was a nazi rally. — americas, he left saying this was a nazi rally, that's what hillary clinton — nazi rally, that's what hillary clinton said, a hateful rally. i walked — clinton said, a hateful rally. i walked in— clinton said, a hateful rally. i walked in and i could see the unity, the diversity, the most diverse rally— the diversity, the most diverse rally i've — the diversity, the most diverse rally i've ever seen as a republican. 0ne rally i've ever seen as a republican. one of the largest venues — republican. one of the largest venues it could hold and nothing could _ venues it could hold and nothing could have been further from the truth _ could have been further from the truth. regarding the puerto rico comments, i think it's interesting and we _ comments, i think it's interesting and we should all be asking ourselves why it took a comedian to bring _ ourselves why it took a comedian to bring this— ourselves why it took a comedian to bring this issue up, and most camellias— bring this issue up, and most camellias are smarter than they look, _ camellias are smarter than they look. and — camellias are smarter than they look, and it turns out that the
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biden— look, and it turns out that the biden and _ look, and it turns out that the biden and harris eta reached a settlement with this municipality in february— settlement with this municipality in february 2034, and there is a trash issue _ february 2034, and there is a trash issue the — february 2034, and there is a trash issue. the biden—harris eta said, if puerlo— issue. the biden—harris eta said, if puerto rico — issue. the biden—harris eta said, if puerto rico didn't fix this trash pile up— puerto rico didn't fix this trash pile up problem, it would run out of land _ pile up problem, it would run out of land it_ pile up problem, it would run out of land it in— pile up problem, it would run out of land. it in two to four years. it wasn't — land. it in two to four years. it wasn't a — land. it in two to four years. it wasn't a racistjoke. puerto rico literally— wasn't a racistjoke. puerto rico literally has a trash problem. you sa it literally has a trash problem. you say it wasn't _ literally has a trash problem. you say it wasn't a — literally has a trash problem. you say it wasn't a racist _ literally has a trash problem. rm. say it wasn't a racist comment. i mean, the other comments, these latinos, they love to make babies. an african had been carving watermelons for halloween. there was a comment aboutjewish people being stingy, which is an anti—semitic trope. you say it's not racist, a republican congresswoman that she
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was disgusted by those comments, which were racist. why aren't you calling them out if she can? latinos have often said _ calling them out if she can? latinos have often said to _ calling them out if she can? latinos have often said to themselves - calling them out if she can? latinos have often said to themselves they| have often said to themselves they are catholic, they do like to make babies— are catholic, they do like to make babies to — are catholic, they do like to make babies to make babies the most latino _ babies to make babies the most latino families who are catholic for five children, as for the other comments, look, ithink five children, as for the other comments, look, i think we five children, as for the other comments, look, ithink we have five children, as for the other comments, look, i think we have lost all sense _ comments, look, i think we have lost all sense of— comments, look, i think we have lost all sense of humour, or respect for freedom _ all sense of humour, or respect for freedom of— all sense of humour, or respect for freedom of speech in this country. thank— freedom of speech in this country. thank mr— freedom of speech in this country. thank mr madrid, you have lost your sense _ thank mr madrid, you have lost your sense of— thank mr madrid, you have lost your sense of humourand, thank mr madrid, you have lost your sense of humour and, you know, if you don't like — sense of humour and, you know, if you don't like to hear those comments, you are not into freedom of speech _ comments, you are not into freedom of speech. the comments, you are not into freedom of seech. ., , ., of speech. the attempt to hide racism with _ of speech. the attempt to hide racism with humour— of speech. the attempt to hide racism with humour are - of speech. the attempt to hide | racism with humour are beyond of speech. the attempt to hide - racism with humour are beyond the pale of the rick scott, who is running for election in dissent, a
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governor from running for election in dissent, a governorfrom georgia, who pulled out of the rally that was going to be held in georgia with donald trump, it's savage to watch a party i spent 30 years of my life in devolving into racist stereotypes about most mexicans having four or five children. it's untrue and a racist and ridiculous trope. less than 50% of latinos are catholic. this is the imposition of a group of americans who have a very stilted, narrow, ugly view of america, rally and unify among themselves and believe that bubble is what most americans want. you believe that bubble is what most americans want.— believe that bubble is what most americans want. ., ., ., , americans want. you are an expert in latino voting — americans want. you are an expert in latino voting patterns. _ americans want. you are an expert in latino voting patterns. how - americans want. you are an expert in latino voting patterns. how do - americans want. you are an expert in latino voting patterns. how do you i latino voting patterns. how do you think these remarks might affect those in swing states? {line think these remarks might affect those in swing states?— think these remarks might affect those in swing states? one of the ironies is donald _ those in swing states? one of the ironies is donald trump _ those in swing states? one of the ironies is donald trumpjust - those in swing states? one of the ironies is donald trumpjust did i ironies is donald trumpjust did what i think kamala harris and biden were struggling to do, which is to push donald trump support among
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latinos down to drip he did it himself he screwed it down himself. there is no debate as to whether or not this is going to damage the trump campaign, it's how much. a loss of one or 2% of puerto ricans voters in pennsylvania will determine the outcome of the race. i welcome it. do determine the outcome of the race. i welcome it— welcome it. do you accept it is a mistake, because _ welcome it. do you accept it is a mistake, because of _ welcome it. do you accept it is a mistake, because of what - welcome it. do you accept it is a mistake, because of what mike | welcome it. do you accept it is a - mistake, because of what mike madrid has just told us to mock donald trump risks turning off some swing voters, which he simply can't afford to do eight days from the election. well, i do agree that there are unforced — well, i do agree that there are unforced errors in campaigns. the rally yesterday was spectacular to duck the — rally yesterday was spectacular to duck the issue being reported on is about— duck the issue being reported on is about five — duck the issue being reported on is about five minutes out of a five-hour _ about five minutes out of a five—hour rally, so was it necessary to have _ five—hour rally, so was it necessary
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to have a _ five—hour rally, so was it necessary to have a comedian there that would say something that the campaign had to distance themselves from? that's unforced _ to distance themselves from? that's unforced error. it didn't need to happen— unforced error. it didn't need to happen for— unforced error. it didn't need to happen for the. that's what we call an unforced — happen for the. that's what we call an unforced error in politics. but the media — an unforced error in politics. but the media didn't cover other things that happened. 30 latinos stood up and started chanting, send them back, _ and started chanting, send them back, when donald trump started talking _ back, when donald trump started talking about mass deportations. how about the _ talking about mass deportations. how about the defection of robert f kennedy— about the defection of robert f kennedy from the democrat party? the black leadership... a simple mother hassled~ _ black leadership... a simple mother hassled. those things all happened. ithink— hassled. those things all happened. i think america and the media needs to make _ i think america and the media needs to make america laugh again. jerks are ok _ to make america laugh again. jerks are ok even if they are offered. the trump _ are ok even if they are offered. the trump campaign, i don't think they need _ trump campaign, idon't think they need to— trump campaign, idon't think they need to do—
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trump campaign, i don't think they need to do it for the donald trump momentum has been swing in the right direction _ momentum has been swing in the right direction and i don't think the left can count — direction and i don't think the left can count this as a win.| direction and i don't think the left can count this as a win.— can count this as a win. i can see live pictures _ can count this as a win. i can see live pictures of _ can count this as a win. i can see live pictures 0ij _ can count this as a win. i can see live pictures 0ij fonts - live pictures ofjd fonts campaigning and about to introduce donald trump at a rally in georgia. let's talk to sir alex younger and jon ashworth. i'm going to ask you about what you think of a possible second trump presidency fed up you were ahead of mi6 when he first became president, but i want to talk to you first about some breaking news. israel has passed two laws banning the un's palestinian refugee agency from operating in casa. your reaction. because this stems from a catastrophic loss of trust between the netanyahu government and the un, deriving from the suspension of employees in the original attack, so
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i imagine that's why he feels compelled and that he has the political space, compelled and that he has the politicalspace, but compelled and that he has the political space, but i think it's a mistake and a retrograde step because, speaking as a counterterrorist practitioner, i can tell you the military force as a role to play but ultimately this is a politicalforum role to play but ultimately this is a political forum and role to play but ultimately this is a politicalforum and needs role to play but ultimately this is a political forum and needs a political solution. 0rdinary gazans need an alternative to hamas, which
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currently provide a lot of the social services in this now rubble territory. taking away that alternative is going to put an eventual solution even further out of reach. whatever you think about that from a humanitarian perspective, and i think we should breathe it, the reality is it doesn't enhance israeli security,
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for that to continue. liik doesn't enhance israeli security, for that to continue. uk government have expressed _ for that to continue. uk government have expressed grave _ for that to continue. uk government have expressed grave concern - for that to continue. uk government have expressed grave concern over l have expressed grave concern over the fact that essentially the entire human terror in response, which is coming via the un agency, is not going to operate. test the entire humanitarian response. this going to operate. test the entire humanitarian response.- humanitarian response. this is totally unacceptable _ humanitarian response. this is totally unacceptable in - humanitarian response. this is totally unacceptable in the - humanitarian response. this is totally unacceptable in the uk| totally unacceptable in the uk government is right to condemn it. humanitarian assistance is desperately needed into gaza. it's a horrific— desperately needed into gaza. it's a horrific situation. we have seen an intolerable — horrific situation. we have seen an intolerable loss of life. i'd like to see — intolerable loss of life. i'd like to see a — intolerable loss of life. i'd like to see a ceasefire in gaza i voted for a _ to see a ceasefire in gaza i voted for a cessation motion and then supported — for a cessation motion and then supported a ceasefire motion. in the end, supported a ceasefire motion. in the end. we _ supported a ceasefire motion. in the end, we need a political process to -et end, we need a political process to get a _ end, we need a political process to get a two—state solution back on track, _ get a two—state solution back on track, a — get a two—state solution back on track, a viable palestinian state alongside — track, a viable palestinian state a
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