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staying with the cloudy, most of us staying with the cloudy, largely dry theme. that is the picture for the rest of this evening and overnight. we have got clearer skies across scotland and that is allowing a little more mist and fog to form. quite a murky start your saturday morning here. temperatures in our towns and cities between 6-10, a in our towns and cities between 6—10, a few degrees cooler in more rural stops. a chilly start to saturday and we have all of that low cloud, mist and fog. the fog will clear away gradually from scotland to leave a bit more sunshine, especially in the north and the west but for the bulk of the uk, again a blanket of cloud, big enough in places for a spot of drizzle but most of us looking dry. temperatures in the state — ten, a little milder towards the west, 12—11i. into the second half of the weekend, more of the same. mostly dry and cloudy but not everywhere. we have some showers moving across northern ireland and scotland later in the afternoon and some showers into northern england and wales. so eventually something a little brighter moving on from the
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north—west, whereas further south and east, you will keep all of the low cloud for just and east, you will keep all of the low cloud forjust one more day, for remembrance sunday. for most of us it looks like a dry day. temperatures 13—14 at best. then thatis temperatures 13—14 at best. then that is when things will change as we head through into the new working week. we will see this clear air mass working through in time for monday. so eventually we will lose the gloom and see some brighter skies. thank you, sarah. and that's bbc news at ten. on bbc one, it's time tojoin our colleagues for the news where you are — goodnight. next, it's newsnight.
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what happened on the streets
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of amsterdam last night? we speak to an israeli football fan who saw the attacks unfold. and with donald trump looking set for a clean sweep of the senate and house of representatives too, is his power unchecked? hello and welcome to newsnight, a half an hour of insights and interviews with our panel, politics professor ben ansell, who keeps a keen eye on the us election and has been a familiar face on newsnight over the last few weeks. also, giles dilnot, the new editor of conservative home, and observer columnist sonia sodha. but we're going to start with the attacks on maccabi tel aviv
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football fans in amsterdam last night. 60 people have been arrested after the violence. youths on scooters had criss—crossed the dutch capital in what were called "hit—and—run" attacks on fans, who were visiting amsterdam for a europa league match. this footage has been verified by the bbc. and a warning, some of it is upsetting. now you know how it feels. free palestine- _ show your passport, show your passport — show your passport, show your --assort. ~ ., show your passport, show your --assort. ~ . ,, show your passport, show your ”assort . ., y., .,
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the dutch king said the country could not ignore anti—semitic behaviour. israel later advised its citizens not to attend a euro league basketball game in bologna tonight. before last night's football match there were also reports of some of the israeli fans chanting racist slogans about arabs and tearing down palestinian flags. ami shooman is a photographer and fan who travelled to amsterdam to amsterdam with his 13—year—old son for the match and saw the violence unfold. we spoke as they waited at the airport for a rescue flight sent by the israeli government. after the game we went to a train near the stadium, the police took us to a train, and after we have been on the train we get out in the central station in amsterdam. no police, no—one to take care of us because they didn't know what is going to happen.
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and suddenly a lot of people come to attack us, a lot of people, like a hundred, maybe more with the belts and the sticks and rock. they took everything that they can to beat the israelis, thejews. and a lot of people got hurt and injured. i didn't get injured and my son didn't get injured, we got lucky. a lot of people have broken teeth and a lot of scarring in the face and a lot of blood in the face. it was not a nice thing to see. how frightened were you? how frightened did you feel for, if not your life, then other people's lives? i was afraid because of my son's
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life because my son is with me. he is a little bit shocked but this was our adventure in amsterdam. and last night when this was happening, did the police arrive? did anybody come to help you? were people taken to hospital? a little bit policemen was in the scene. i think they didn't get it and they are not used to this kind of situation here in the netherlands, and especially in amsterdam. it took a long time for them to come and to take care of us and to protect us. they didn't do so many things to protect us, only to try to get out all the vandals and all the violent people away from us. they took us to our hotels in the middle of the night, almost in the morning.
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they took every group of people to their hotels and they told us to lock us in the rooms, don't get out, wait until everything will be over. and when you think back now, do you have any understanding of what happened? any explanation for how they knew you would be there? how it happened? we know why and we know the explanation. the situation in the middle east in israel, gaza, lebanon, all this. in our area we are used to it. we are used to all the shouting, free palestine, we know all these kind of things. did it feel organised? did it feel like an organised targeting? we know it was organised. we know, a hundred people coming together, they will know that we would be there, we know this is organised and the...
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the police say no—one was there ready and prepared to this situation. a little bit shame. but i think that the most important thing is that everyone is safe now and we can go back to israel safe. and what do you make of reports that before the game some of the maccabi tel aviv fans were filmed reportedly chanting racist slogans about arabs in palestine and also tearing down a palestinian flag, attacking a taxi? have you heard about that? yes, i saw also the people that were pulling the palestinian flag, waving it in front of us to make a scene. we are used to it and we know all these kind of situations
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all over our place in israel. i think that even if this thing wasn't going to happen, the people waiting for us, we know. so you don't think those things are connected is what you are saying, is it? it's not connected. it is going to happen anyway because we are there, because we came to see football and we are from israel. what does that mean for you in terms of how you feel as an israeli visiting europe? do you feel safe when you come to europe? yes, i feel safe, i feel safe, but i think europe needs to wake up. this is a wake—up call i think in europe, this thing that happened last night. a lot of people in amsterdam told us in the checkout in the hotel,
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here in the airport in the security line, they start to tell us we are sorry, this is not us, this is not the holland people. i hope things like this will never happen again. i am not sure. ami shooman, thank you very much and good luck with your flight back home, thank you very much for speaking to us. thank you. donald trump has won the white house. that's old news. his republican party also took control of the us senate this week. and they're confident that they'll take the house of representatives in the next day or two. so let's assess trump's power in his second term compared to the first. with fewer political or legal restraints, is his power unchecked and is that worrying? our panel are here. ben ansell, professor of comparative democratic institutions at oxford university, observer columnist sonia sodha
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and giles dilnot, editor of conservative home. and joining us from chicago, miles taylor has served in two republican administrations, george w bush's and donald trump's where he was chief of staff in homeland security. he's been vocal in his criticism of trump. welcome to you all and welcome, miles. if we start with you, i was saying there it looks as if there are far fewer political, illegal restraints than they were back in 2016. is this going to be trump unleashed, do you think? well, look, the bi est unleashed, do you think? well, look, the biggest constraint _ unleashed, do you think? well, look, the biggest constraint for _ unleashed, do you think? well, look, the biggest constraint for donald - the biggest constraint for donald trump when he became president wasn't personnel and it wasn't the law, it was himself. he had never served in government before, he didn't have a great deal of familiarity with how the executive branch operated. frankly, a lot of things he wanted to do he suffered
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setbacks over several years because he was trying to figure out how to navigate washington and how to navigate washington and how to navigate bureaucracy. but then he also got in his own way by persistently wanting to push the boundaries of the law to get things done. some of the time donald trump was very well aware he wanted to push the boundaries of the law, but often it was because he didn't fully understand the legal guardrails around specific issue areas. that cost him several years in advancing several things that he wanted to advance as part of his agenda. the biggest guardrail missing this time is that the unfamiliarity with government. donald trump comes in himself and with his team are no more of what he wants to do and how to do it and of course he will focus on bringing in people who are willing to execute that. i have been a progenitor of the notion that it would be second and third—rate players coming in two trump 2.0, and thatis players coming in two trump 2.0, and that is my worry. i think the silver lining is i have been surprised to
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see there is actually a much deeper bench this time around and there are some interesting folks being talked about in key positions that give me and a lot of other conservatives comfort that it may not be asked tumultuous at the outset as some of us have said it would be. and. us have said it would be. and, miles, there _ us have said it would be. and, miles, there are _ us have said it would be. and, miles, there are people - us have said it would be. and, miles, there are people going in there now, but there were people backin there now, but there were people back in 2016 who are saying no to him. you are one of the first chief of staff. john kenny later said donald trump was a fascist. at the time people were saying no to the president. he talked about the personalities now and we said yesterday that the chief of staff, susan wiles, what does her appointment tell us about how trump is going to operate this time? look. is going to operate this time? look, susan wiles — is going to operate this time? look, susan wiles has _ is going to operate this time? look, susan wiles has a _ is going to operate this time? look, susan wiles has a reputation - is going to operate this time? look, susan wiles has a reputation as - is going to operate this time? look, susan wiles has a reputation as a i susan wiles has a reputation as a no—nonsense political operator. she is not a newbie when it comes to government. she served back in the
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reagan administration, she has worked in the executive office of the president, she has worked inside the president, she has worked inside the executive branch and she has worked in the rough—and—tumble of body politics. [30 worked in the rough-and-tumble of body militia-— body politics. do you see her as a check? if you _ body politics. do you see her as a check? if you hone _ body politics. do you see her as a check? if you hone in _ body politics. do you see her as a check? if you hone in on - body politics. do you see her as a check? if you hone in on one - body politics. do you see her as a| check? if you hone in on one thing in particular— check? if you hone in on one thing in particular that _ check? if you hone in on one thing in particular that tells _ check? if you hone in on one thing in particular that tells us - check? if you hone in on one thing in particular that tells us a - check? if you hone in on one thing in particular that tells us a lot - in particular that tells us a lot about how susan wiles is going to operate is if the reporting is true, she indicated she would only take thejob as she indicated she would only take the job as white house chief of staff if she could control access to the president. that is absolutely crucial. the donald trump administration the first time around would go off the rails when unseemly types with bad ideas and often illegal ideas would get to the president and fill his head with things he couldn't do. susan wiles clearly knows this and she wants to run a tight ship. my former boss john kelly wanted to do the same thing. he was a marine general and he was unable to do it and it is unclear if susan wiles will be able to control the access to the oval office and the president and keep the white house more disciplined, but the fact she is trying is a good
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sign. i but the fact she is trying is a good si . n. ., but the fact she is trying is a good si . n. . ., but the fact she is trying is a good si.n_ ., ., , but the fact she is trying is a good siun, ., ., , but the fact she is trying is a good sin. . .,, sign. i want to bring in the panel. ben, i'm sign. i want to bring in the panel. ben. i'm going — sign. i want to bring in the panel. ben. i'm going to _ sign. i want to bring in the panel. ben, i'm going to give _ sign. i want to bring in the panel. ben, i'm going to give you - sign. i want to bring in the panel. ben, i'm going to give you a - sign. i want to bring in the panel. l ben, i'm going to give you a quote. people will remember the dictator quote that trump talked about. he was asked about it by fox news, you are not going to be a dictator? he said no, no, no, otherthan day one we are closing the border and drilling, drilling, and after that i will be a dictator. he said that as a joke, will be a dictator. he said that as ajoke, but will be a dictator. he said that as a joke, but do you think he has more of an ambition for power than previous and how far can he push it? george w bush famously said after 2004. _ george w bush famously said after 2004. we — george w bush famously said after 2004, we have had our accountability moment_ 2004, we have had our accountability moment and the could mean we had the election. _ moment and the could mean we had the election. i_ moment and the could mean we had the election, i want it, i get to do what i want. what donald trump is more _ what i want. what donald trump is more crude — what i want. what donald trump is more crude and may be more unfortunate, but in spirit it is not that different and he does have a mandate, — that different and he does have a mandate, he won the popular vote and he has _ mandate, he won the popular vote and he has probably one of the majority. we can_ he has probably one of the majority. we can argue about the polls but very few — we can argue about the polls but very few people predicted that. he
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will feel— very few people predicted that. he will feel empowered and with the senate _ will feel empowered and with the senate and the house and the republican majority on the same court. _ republican majority on the same court. it— republican majority on the same court. it is— republican majority on the same court, it is not clear who can stop him from — court, it is not clear who can stop him from doing things. we court, it is not clear who can stop him from doing things.— him from doing things. we are talkin: him from doing things. we are talking about _ him from doing things. we are talking about checks _ him from doing things. we are talking about checks in - him from doing things. we are talking about checks in all- him from doing things. we are | talking about checks in all sorts him from doing things. we are - talking about checks in all sorts of places, do you think the international community, including keir starmer, will act as a check on donald trump?— keir starmer, will act as a check on donald trump? probably not when you look at the power _ donald trump? probably not when you look at the power relationship - donald trump? probably not when you look at the power relationship and - look at the power relationship and how it works. i agree with ben, in the american system there is normally a normal kind of grist, a lot more stasis than we get in the uk because you have the separation of powers. it is only every so often we get a president where it is much more like the uk and there are more people to get behind you and you can do what you want. i think the way you look at that sort of power dynamic in international relations, at the moment it looks like there are quite a few people try to suck up are quite a few people try to suck up to donald trump rather than vice versa and that is the nature of being the man in charge of the
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world's riches democracy. he hasjust won he has just won the senate, he hasjust won the senate, he will probably— he hasjust won the senate, he will probably get the house of representatives. some of the constraints aren't there. he won the argument _ constraints aren't there. he won the argument. he's got those. it may not feel like — argument. he's got those. it may not feel like he — argument. he's got those. it may not feel like he needs to fight the system — feel like he needs to fight the system quite so much and also the idea of— system quite so much and also the idea of a _ system quite so much and also the idea of a trump presidency isn't new to people _ idea of a trump presidency isn't new to people who have been looking at america _ to people who have been looking at america. it's only six months ago that kamala harris came into the running — that kamala harris came into the running. people have been thinking about_ running. people have been thinking about the _ running. people have been thinking about the possibility of trent being president— about the possibility of trent being president and how you deal with that as a government or as a political party— as a government or as a political party to— as a government or as a political party to support. —— with the possibility— party to support. —— with the possibility of trump. we know that his unpredictability is predictable. you can— his unpredictability is predictable. you can scenario plan for that. miles. — you can scenario plan for that. miles. to— you can scenario plan for that. miles, to bring you back, it's been reported today that elon musk was on the call that donald trump made to president zelensky. what did you make of that? {line
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president zelensky. what did you make of that?— president zelensky. what did you make of that? , . ., . make of that? one thing is clear. we don't know where _ make of that? one thing is clear. we don't know where elon _ make of that? one thing is clear. we don't know where elon musk- make of that? one thing is clear. we don't know where elon musk will- make of that? one thing is clear. we don't know where elon musk will end “p don't know where elon musk will end up in this administration but that was as good of an anecdote as we could have as any. he will play a very big role. whether it is as the head of the supposed department of government efficiency, whether it is an informal advisor, whether it is a cabinet role, the fact elon musk was one of those people on the call tells you he will play a significant part. some people love elon musk, some people hate elon musk. as someone who is a conservative but has been a trump critic i think there is another silver lining here, which is elon musk�*s association with chubb has opened the door to a whole range of technologies, business leaders, other people who would have otherwise avoided a second chubb administration. many of whom are now very eager to serve in government. —— trump administration. some may not have liked trump in the past but that has actually opened the door to a different and deeper bench of folks to go in. whether or
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not elon musk should be playing the foreign—policy role i don't know but i do think it is encouraging there is a set of folks who wouldn't have gonein is a set of folks who wouldn't have gone in who are now considering doing that. elon's role alongside the seam to be president is a good thing. the seam to be president is a good thin. ., , ., the seam to be president is a good thin. ., y., ., ,, the seam to be president is a good thin. ., ,, . ~ we the seam to be president is a good l thing-_ we know thing. how did you take it? we know that elon musk— thing. how did you take it? we know that elon musk is _ thing. how did you take it? we know that elon musk is erratic. _ thing. how did you take it? we know that elon musk is erratic. i _ thing. how did you take it? we know that elon musk is erratic. i think- that elon musk is erratic. i think he's right, it opened up space for other technologies, to get other financiers involved. the other interesting thing about elon musk as he has lots of interesting ideas himself. would anybody be that surprised if trump announced a mission to mars? that is clearly elon's dream. what he might do is take its own ambitions and plant them into trump's next term. does elon musk mean _ them into trump's next term. does elon musk mean what _ them into trump's next term. does elon musk mean what he _ them into trump's next term. does elon musk mean what he says all the time? does donald trump? people say don't take it that seriously. some ofthe don't take it that seriously. some of the american _ don't take it that seriously. some of the american public _ don't take it that seriously. some of the american public did - don't take it that seriously. some of the american public did that i don't take it that seriously. some of the american public did that and
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they said _ of the american public did that and they said i— of the american public did that and they said i will— of the american public did that and they said i will vote _ of the american public did that and they said i will vote for— of the american public did that and they said i will vote for him - they said i will vote for him because _ they said i will vote for him because the _ they said i will vote for him because the country- they said i will vote for him because the country will. they said i will vote for him because the country will be they said i will vote for him - because the country will be safer and better— because the country will be safer and better off _ because the country will be safer and better off and _ because the country will be safer and better off and he _ because the country will be safer and better off and he says- because the country will be safer and better off and he says crazyl and better off and he says crazy stuff _ and better off and he says crazy stuff you — and better off and he says crazy stuff. you can _ and better off and he says crazy stuff. you can find _ and better off and he says crazy stuff. you can find republican. stuff. you can find republican voters — stuff. you can find republican voters who— stuff. you can find republican voters who turned _ stuff. you can find republican voters who turned around - stuff. you can find republican voters who turned around and stuff. you can find republican- voters who turned around and say, i know _ voters who turned around and say, i know he _ voters who turned around and say, i know he said — voters who turned around and say, i know he said there _ voters who turned around and say, i know he said there but _ voters who turned around and say, i know he said there but i— voters who turned around and say, i know he said there but i don't- voters who turned around and say, i know he said there but i don't think| know he said there but i don't think he will— know he said there but i don't think he will do _ know he said there but i don't think he will do that. _ know he said there but i don't think he will do that.— he will do that. miles, before we let ou he will do that. miles, before we let you go. _ he will do that. miles, before we let you go. the _ he will do that. miles, before we let you go, the us _ he will do that. miles, before we let you go, the us today - he will do that. miles, before we let you go, the us today have i let you go, the us today have charged an iranian man with an alleged plot to assassinate donald trump before the election. how significant you think that is? extraordinarily significant. there is a lot of simmering tension in the us in the wake of an election. whether you are republican or democrat, a foreign government sanctioning the assassination of a former president and soon—to—be president is... you cannot overstate that significance. this is what i will be looking for in the coming days. does the biden administration respond decisively to that beyond
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just a department ofjustice indictment. and also what is the trump team signalling they will do? take trump a's name out of it, his name is charged. in any administration, the attempted assassination of the leader is just shy of an act of war. it is extraordinary. had they attempted the assassination of a sitting president that would be an act of war. i don't think we've seen the tip of the iceberg of this story and we know the iranian regime, because of actions during the trump administration, is hell—bent on going after trump and other officials who are part of the decision at the time to kill the head of the iranian revolutionary guard. that threat is still lingering with us. the iranians have a long memory. we are yet to see the severity of the us response. i will be looking to see what the biden team does in the coming days. so will we. thank you for coming onto the programme. d0 will we. thank you for coming onto the programme-— the programme. do come in the programme _ the programme. do come in the programme again. _ the programme. do come in the programme again. thank i the programme. do come in the
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programme again. thank you. l so what lessons can the uk learn from trump's victory? is this a cautionary tale for labour? inspiration for the conservatives under their new leader, kemi badenoch? let's pick that one up. sonia, what lessons do you think?— let's pick that one up. sonia, what lessons do you think? there are some im ortant lessons do you think? there are some important lessons _ lessons do you think? there are some important lessons for _ lessons do you think? there are some important lessons for labour - lessons do you think? there are some important lessons for labour and i important lessons for labour and they are — important lessons for labour and they are around incumbency and how hard it— they are around incumbency and how hard it is— they are around incumbency and how hard it is to _ they are around incumbency and how hard it is to be an incumbent government at a time when growth isn't great — government at a time when growth isn't great. living standards aren't feeling _ isn't great. living standards aren't feeling great. people aren't feeling better~ _ feeling great. people aren't feeling better. and how hard it is to make that pitch — better. and how hard it is to make that pitch to voters. i think that is something kamala harris found difficult — is something kamala harris found difficult i— is something kamala harris found difficult. i don't think she had a strong — difficult. i don't think she had a strong pitch to voters about the economy — strong pitch to voters about the economy which is at the top of peoples — economy which is at the top of peoples concerns. high levels of inflation — peoples concerns. high levels of inflation. with labour what you've -ot inflation. with labour what you've got is _ inflation. with labour what you've got is a _ inflation. with labour what you've got is a situation where they have 'ust got is a situation where they have just done — got is a situation where they have just done a — got is a situation where they have just done a big budget. personally i think they— just done a big budget. personally i think they were doing some of the film think they were doing some of the right things, they are raising taxes to inject— right things, they are raising taxes to inject some much—needed cash into public— to inject some much—needed cash into public services. they are also borrowing _ public services. they are also borrowing more to invest in the long ternt _ borrowing more to invest in the long ternt public— borrowing more to invest in the long term. public investment. to try and kick-start— term. public investment. to try and kick—start growth. the issue for them _ kick—start growth. the issue for them is — kick—start growth. the issue for them is i — kick—start growth. the issue for them is i think they are doing the
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right— them is i think they are doing the right things but the payoff is a really— right things but the payoff is a really long time on the horizon. that— really long time on the horizon. that investment won't deliver growth — that investment won't deliver growth. you know, before the next election. _ growth. you know, before the next election, really. the danger for them _ election, really. the danger for them is — election, really. the danger for them is they are doing the right things— them is they are doing the right things but it is a long—term plan and in _ things but it is a long—term plan and in four— things but it is a long—term plan and in fouryears things but it is a long—term plan and in four years as we are moving towards _ and in four years as we are moving towards the — and in four years as we are moving towards the next election voters don't _ towards the next election voters don't feel— towards the next election voters don't feel that much better off if you believe the obr forecast. public services, _ you believe the obr forecast. public services, yeah, labour have halted the decline — services, yeah, labour have halted the decline but even if you look at the decline but even if you look at the nhs _ the decline but even if you look at the nhs it— the decline but even if you look at the nhs it is getting extra cash but it isnt— the nhs it is getting extra cash but it isn't that — the nhs it is getting extra cash but it isn't that much extra cash in the grand _ it isn't that much extra cash in the grand scheme of things and the economy, — grand scheme of things and the economy, you know, living standards, people _ economy, you know, living standards, people aren't — economy, you know, living standards, people aren't feeling great from the livin- people aren't feeling great from the living standards perspective. they haven't _ living standards perspective. they haven't had a proper wage increase. that'll_ haven't had a proper wage increase. that'll be _ haven't had a proper wage increase. that'll be a — haven't had a proper wage increase. that'll be a difficult pitch for labour~ _ that'll be a difficult pitch for labour. the message from this american — labour. the message from this american election is you have got to have a _ american election is you have got to have a very— american election is you have got to have a very strong messenger with a strong _ have a very strong messenger with a strong message. kamala harris didn't have that _ strong message. kamala harris didn't have that. can keir starmer have it? thats— have that. can keir starmer have it? that's the _ have that. can keir starmer have it? that's the big question for labour. the economy and immigration, people kept saying those were their two
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issues. how do you read that in terms of here?— issues. how do you read that in terms of here? first, what you've 'ust said terms of here? first, what you've just said about _ terms of here? first, what you've just said about incumbency i terms of here? first, what you've just said about incumbency of i just said about incumbency of government, _ just said about incumbency of government, the _ just said about incumbency of i government, the conservatives just said about incumbency of - government, the conservatives have 'ust government, the conservatives have just learnt _ government, the conservatives have just learnt the — government, the conservatives have just learnt the hard _ government, the conservatives have just learnt the hard way— government, the conservatives have just learnt the hard way very - government, the conservatives have just learnt the hard way very hard i just learnt the hard way very hard indeed _ just learnt the hard way very hard indeed they've _ just learnt the hard way very hard indeed. they've been— just learnt the hard way very hard indeed. they've been listening i just learnt the hard way very hard indeed. they've been listening to| indeed. they've been listening to people _ indeed. they've been listening to people and — indeed. they've been listening to people and saying _ indeed. they've been listening to people and saying on _ indeed. they've been listening to people and saying on the - indeed. they've been listening to. people and saying on the doorsteps we didn't— people and saying on the doorsteps we didn't know— people and saying on the doorsteps we didn't know what _ people and saying on the doorsteps we didn't know what you _ people and saying on the doorsteps we didn't know what you were i people and saying on the doorsteps. we didn't know what you were selling us, we _ we didn't know what you were selling us, we did _ we didn't know what you were selling us, we did not— we didn't know what you were selling us, we did not know— we didn't know what you were selling us, we did not know what _ we didn't know what you were selling us, we did not know what you - us, we did not know what you represented _ us, we did not know what you represented any— us, we did not know what you represented any more - us, we did not know what you represented any more and i us, we did not know what youj represented any more and we us, we did not know what you i represented any more and we got us, we did not know what you - represented any more and we got rid of you _ represented any more and we got rid of you in_ represented any more and we got rid of you in uncertain _ represented any more and we got rid of you in uncertain terms. _ represented any more and we got rid of you in uncertain terms. what i represented any more and we got rid of you in uncertain terms. what they| of you in uncertain terms. what they will look— of you in uncertain terms. what they will look at _ of you in uncertain terms. what they will look at from _ of you in uncertain terms. what they will look at from america _ of you in uncertain terms. what they will look at from america is - will look at from america is concentrate _ will look at from america is concentrate on— will look at from america is concentrate on what - will look at from america is concentrate on what it i will look at from america is concentrate on what it is i will look at from america is i concentrate on what it is people want _ concentrate on what it is people want from — concentrate on what it is people want from you _ concentrate on what it is people want from you and _ concentrate on what it is people want from you and do _ concentrate on what it is people want from you and do not - concentrate on what it is people want from you and do notjudgej concentrate on what it is people i want from you and do not judge what you think— want from you and do not judge what you think they— want from you and do not judge what you think they should _ want from you and do not judge what you think they should want _ want from you and do not judge what you think they should want from i want from you and do notjudge whatj you think they should want from you. i you think they should want from you. ithink— you think they should want from you. i think trump— you think they should want from you. i think trump did _ you think they should want from you. i think trump did that— you think they should want from you. i think trump did that well. _ you think they should want from you. i think trump did that well. if- you think they should want from you. i think trump did that well. [tithe- i think trump did that well. if the conservatives _ i think trump did that well. if the conservatives had _ i think trump did that well. if the conservatives had a _ i think trump did that well. if the conservatives had a better i i think trump did that well.- conservatives had a better message on immigration theyjust started working these things out. from the persoective — working these things out. from the persoective of _ working these things out. from the perspective of kemi _ working these things out. from the perspective of kemi badenoch, i working these things out. from the perspective of kemi badenoch, shej perspective of kemi badenoch, she didn't— perspective of kemi badenoch, she didn't call— perspective of kemi badenoch, she didn't call her— perspective of kemi badenoch, she didn't call her campaign— perspective of kemi badenoch, she didn't call her campaign that, - perspective of kemi badenoch, she didn't call her campaign that, she i didn't call her campaign that, she called _ didn't call her campaign that, she called it— didn't call her campaign that, she called it renewal— didn't call her campaign that, she called it renewal 2030. _ didn't call her campaign that, she called it renewal 2030. she - didn't call her campaign that, she called it renewal 2030. she is- called it renewal 2030. she is looking — called it renewal 2030. she is looking at— called it renewal 2030. she is looking at how _ called it renewal 2030. she is looking at how you _ called it renewal 2030. she is looking at how you drive i called it renewal 2030. she is looking at how you drive thati looking at how you drive that message _ looking at how you drive that message to _ looking at how you drive that message to get _ looking at how you drive that message to get across - looking at how you drive that message to get across to i looking at how you drive that i message to get across to people looking at how you drive that - message to get across to people that your entire _ message to get across to people that your entire party— message to get across to people that your entire party starts _ message to get across to people that your entire party starts to _ message to get across to people that your entire party starts to get - message to get across to people that
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your entire party starts to get it, i your entire party starts to get it, starts _ your entire party starts to get it, starts to — your entire party starts to get it, starts to get _ your entire party starts to get it, starts to get the _ your entire party starts to get it, starts to get the message. - your entire party starts to get it, starts to get the message. whatj your entire party starts to get it, i starts to get the message. what they will read _ starts to get the message. what they will read from — starts to get the message. what they will read from the _ starts to get the message. what they will read from the selection _ starts to get the message. what they will read from the selection from i will read from the selection from the states. — will read from the selection from the states. it _ will read from the selection from the states, it isn't _ will read from the selection from the states, it isn't we _ will read from the selection from the states, it isn't we should i will read from the selection from i the states, it isn't we should copy charm, _ the states, it isn't we should copy charm, we — the states, it isn't we should copy charm, we should _ the states, it isn't we should copy charm, we should concentrate i the states, it isn't we should copy charm, we should concentrate onl the states, it isn't we should copy. charm, we should concentrate on the things— charm, we should concentrate on the things that _ charm, we should concentrate on the things that matter— charm, we should concentrate on the things that matter to _ charm, we should concentrate on the things that matter to people - charm, we should concentrate on the things that matter to people rather. things that matter to people rather than tell— things that matter to people rather than tell them _ things that matter to people rather than tell them what _ things that matter to people rather than tell them what they _ things that matter to people rather than tell them what they want. i things that matter to people rather than tell them what they want. but it is still— than tell them what they want. but it is still the — than tell them what they want. but it is still the economy, _ than tell them what they want. but it is still the economy, stupid. i it is still the economy, stupid. what — it is still the economy, stupid. what about— it is still the economy, stupid. what about nigel— it is still the economy, stupid. what about nigel farage? i it is still the economy, stupid. what about nigel farage? whenever donald trump _ what about nigel farage? whenever donald trump does _ what about nigel farage? whenever donald trump does well _ what about nigel farage? whenever donald trump does well nigel i what about nigel farage? whenever| donald trump does well nigel farage always thinks it'll pay off well for him. nigel farage did well himself and he might look at this and think, thatis and he might look at this and think, that is huge support for me. the poles underestimated donald trump. they didn't underestimate reform. they didn't underestimate reform. they underestimated the conservative party. ultimately there is maybe more room for the conservative party here. i also want to say in response to sonia that labour need to be careful about driving and not looking in the rear—view mirror. and
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thinking we need to respond to kamala harris in 2024 because labour won't be going up for election until 2029. the inflation we had by that time will be seven years ago. and the channel crossings we have now might look different by that point. they don't want to set their whole strategy on a failed american election. ifkla strategy on a failed american election. ., , ~' strategy on a failed american election. ., , ,, , ., election. no but i think there is a clear lesson _ election. no but i think there is a clear lesson which _ election. no but i think there is a clear lesson which is _ election. no but i think there is a clear lesson which is if _ election. no but i think there is a clear lesson which is if people i clear lesson which is if people aren't— clear lesson which is if people aren't feeling good in terms of what is in their— aren't feeling good in terms of what is in their pocket, incumbents pay, and when — is in their pocket, incumbents pay, and when you look at the obr growth and when you look at the obr growth and the _ and when you look at the obr growth and the forecasts we've seen they aren't— and the forecasts we've seen they aren't great for living standards. they— aren't great for living standards. they may — aren't great for living standards. they may get lucky. they may get some _ they may get lucky. they may get some really great economic headwinds. but actually what this jump— headwinds. but actually what this jump election is forecast to do is not i% _ jump election is forecast to do is not i% off— jump election is forecast to do is not 1% off gdp. rachel reeves could be facing _ not 1% off gdp. rachel reeves could be facing the worst economic situation _ be facing the worst economic situation. i totally agree with you but i _ situation. i totally agree with you but i think— situation. i totally agree with you but i think the economy will be a massive, — but i think the economy will be a massive, massive factor. and such volatile politics. _ massive, massive factor. and such volatile politics. the _ massive, massive factor. and such volatile politics. the interesting i volatile politics. the interesting thin . volatile politics. the interesting thin is in volatile politics. the interesting thing is in the _ volatile politics. the interesting thing is in the 21st-century i volatile politics. the interesting thing is in the 21st-century the l thing is in the 21st—century the
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fact immigration— thing is in the 21st—century the fact immigration has— thing is in the 21st—century the fact immigration has moved i thing is in the 21st—century the| fact immigration has moved up thing is in the 21st—century the i fact immigration has moved up the agenda _ fact immigration has moved up the agenda everywhere, _ fact immigration has moved up the agenda everywhere, and _ fact immigration has moved up the agenda everywhere, and every- agenda everywhere, and every politician — agenda everywhere, and every politician across _ agenda everywhere, and every politician across the _ agenda everywhere, and every politician across the world. it i politician across the world. it doesn't — politician across the world. it doesn't matter— politician across the world. it doesn't matter what - politician across the world. it doesn't matter what your i politician across the world. it i doesn't matter what your politics are left _ doesn't matter what your politics are left or — doesn't matter what your politics are left or right— doesn't matter what your politics are left or right this _ doesn't matter what your politics are left or right this is _ doesn't matter what your politics are left or right this is now- doesn't matter what your politics are left or right this is now a i are left or right this is now a serious _ are left or right this is now a serious problem. _ are left or right this is now a serious problem. and - are left or right this is now a serious problem. and it- are left or right this is now a serious problem. and it is. are left or right this is now a. serious problem. and it is the management— serious problem. and it is the management of— serious problem. and it is the management of the _ serious problem. and it is the management of the problem i serious problem. and it is the i management of the problem rather than a _ management of the problem rather than a dislike _ management of the problem rather than a dislike. anti— management of the problem rather than a dislike.— than a dislike. and lessons for pollsters _ than a dislike. and lessons for pollsters. the _ than a dislike. and lessons for pollsters. the poles, - than a dislike. and lessons for pollsters. the poles, let's- than a dislike. and lessons for| pollsters. the poles, let's face than a dislike. and lessons for i pollsters. the poles, let's face it, really didn't get this one right. you made a few predictions over the past few weeks, ben, and you said the most likely scenario is kamala harris would win. lots of people got this wrong, notjust you. i said harris would win. lots of people got this wrong, not just you.— this wrong, not 'ust you. i said it was a — this wrong, not 'ust you. i said it was a coin flip i this wrong, notjust you. i said it was a coin flip the _ this wrong, notjust you. i said it was a coin flip the last _ this wrong, notjust you. i said it was a coin flip the last time i i this wrong, notjust you. i said it| was a coin flip the last time i was on tv but if you go back you will see that i thought right at the end may be the poles were leaning towards harris. the reason i made this poor prediction was because ann seltzer, the only famous american pollster, she polled iowa which had gone to donald trump by about nine
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points the last two elections and she found with a simple random digit dialling old school polling harris three ahead. suddenly everybody in the american polling panicked because all of the pollsters were waiting by this that and the other. they had all been herding. so lots of people including me... it wasn't 'ust ou! of people including me... it wasn't just you! we _ of people including me... it wasn't just you! we shouldn't _ of people including me... it wasn't just you! we shouldn't have i of people including me... it wasn't just you! we shouldn't have drunk| just you! we shouldn't have drunk the seltzer- _ just you! we shouldn't have drunk the seltzer. very _ just you! we shouldn't have drunk the seltzer. very good. _ just you! we shouldn't have drunk the seltzer. very good. with i just you! we shouldn't have drunk the seltzer. very good. with a i the seltzer. very good. with a ollster the seltzer. very good. with a pollster still _ the seltzer. very good. with a pollster still underestimated l the seltzer. very good. with a i pollster still underestimated trump. is there something fundamentally wrong with polling? and if you want to carry on watching newsnight, please turn over to bbc two, or watch on iplayer. do stay with us here on bbc news for all the latest headlines in the us and around the world, from the team here in washington. i'm sumi somaskanda in washington
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and this is bbc world news america. the us charges three men in connection with an alleged iranian plot to assassinate president—elect donald trump. majority control of the us house of representatives hangs in the balance as ballot counting continues. world leaders condemn anti—semitic attacks on israeli football fans in amsterdam. the us government has charged an iranian man in connection with an alleged plot to assassinate president—elect donald trump, before the presidential election. the justice department unsealed criminal charges on friday that allege — an unnamed official in iran's paramilitary revolutionary guard instructed the man to create a plan to surveil and kill trump. this was back in september. officials added that the man has not been arrested and is believed to still be in iran. the department says,
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it also charged two others — who were allegedly recruited to kill an american journalist.

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