in this dangerous moment? it's incredibly important. russia's neighbours anxiously watch trump's attitude to ukraine. we'll hearfrom estonia's prime minister. but who'll cough up? we ask the chief secretary to the treasury, darrenjones, and the new shadow foreign secretary, priti patel. and superstar damian lewis is here on history's bad boy — his role in wolf hall as henry viii. take yourself out of the council chamber before i have you taken out! my patience is not infinite — neither with you nor my daughter!

morning, morning — and on this special remembrance sunday we'll be hearing from sophie raworth at the cenotaph who'll be talking to an afghan veteran. we can show you the live pictures of people getting together for the moving ceremony. to our panel this week — legendaryjournalist tina brown, lord peter mandelson and historian and tory peer lord andrew roberts. let's start by looking at what's making the news. the sunday times splashes with a billion pound warning for tescos tax bill — after the government's hike to national insurance. the observer suggests the chancellor would oppose any trump tariffs. and the sunday mirror and the sun on sunday mark the princess of wales being back at work — attending the remembrance event last night, as she makes a gradual return after being treated for cancer. and the bbc�*s leading on donald trump moving closer

to a clean sweep of swing states. after several days of counting, he's set to win arizona too. that victory, stronger than anybody had expected. so much to talk about. the world has changed in the last seven days. i wonder where all three of you were when you realise the news, and what you made of it? there was a kind of— news, and what you made of it? there was a kind of delayed _ news, and what you made of it? there was a kind of delayed reaction - news, and what you made of it? ti” was a kind of delayed reaction to the whole thing. i mean, there had been a flurry that kamala might have all of these women rushing out, and “p all of these women rushing out, and up until that moment i thought nobody thought it would be anything but a squeaker. and what was absolutely stunning was this massive blow out, essentially, for trump. nobody saw that one coming. what blow out, essentially, for trump. nobody saw that one coming. what did ou think? i nobody saw that one coming. what did you think? i got _ nobody saw that one coming. what did you think? i got no _ nobody saw that one coming. what did you think? i got up early _ you think? i got up early and watched it — you think? i got up early and watched it on _ you think? i got up early and watched it on my _ you think? i got up early and watched it on my computer. | you think? i got up early and | watched it on my computer. i you think? i got up early and - watched it on my computer. i was delighted. — watched it on my computer. i was delighted, because i had taken £100 off my— delighted, because i had taken £100 off my wife on a bet. my first

feeling — off my wife on a bet. my first feeling was that a positive one. my sense _ feeling was that a positive one. my sense was— feeling was that a positive one. my sense was that she to have been... kamala _ sense was that she to have been... kamala harris, not my wife... at least _ kamala harris, not my wife... at least four— kamala harris, not my wife... at least four or _ kamala harris, not my wife... at least four or five points ahead in most _ least four or five points ahead in most of— least four or five points ahead in most of the swing states to have won and she _ most of the swing states to have won and she wasn't. is most of the swing states to have won and she wasn't-— and she wasn't. is at the right result, and she wasn't. is at the right result. do _ and she wasn't. is at the right result, do you _ and she wasn't. is at the right result, do you think? - and she wasn't. is at the right result, do you think? apart i and she wasn't. is at the right i result, do you think? apart from oor result, do you think? apart from poor president _ result, do you think? apart from poor president zelensky - result, do you think? apart from poor president zelensky and - result, do you think? apart from | poor president zelensky and what result, do you think? apart from - poor president zelensky and what he might— poor president zelensky and what he might do— poor president zelensky and what he might do in— poor president zelensky and what he might do in ukraine, yes, i think it is the_ might do in ukraine, yes, i think it is the right— might do in ukraine, yes, i think it is the right result. i don't think kamala — is the right result. i don't think kamala harris would have made a great _ kamala harris would have made a great president and i don't think he's going — great president and i don't think he's going to make an historically great _ he's going to make an historically great president. but he is going to be much _ great president. but he is going to be much better for america. | be much better for america. thought be much better for america. i thought we were facing a clean sween — thought we were facing a clean swee -. ~ ~ thought we were facing a clean swee -. ~ . ._ thought we were facing a clean swee.~ . ., thought we were facing a clean sweep-— forl thought we were facing a clean i sweep-— for mr sweep. which way round? for mr trum - , sweep. which way round? for mr trump. and _ sweep. which way round? for mr trump, and that _ sweep. which way round? for mr trump, and that is _ sweep. which way round? for mr trump, and that is what - sweep. which way round? for mr trump, and that is what we - sweep. which way round? for mr trump, and that is what we got. | sweep. which way round? for mr l trump, and that is what we got. of course, _ trump, and that is what we got. of course, being — trump, and that is what we got. of course, being peter, _ trump, and that is what we got. of course, being peter, i— trump, and that is what we got. of course, being peter, i immediatelyi course, being peter, i immediately thought. _ course, being peter, i immediately thought. what_ course, being peter, i immediately thought, what does _ course, being peter, i immediately thought, what does this _ course, being peter, i immediately thought, what does this mean - course, being peter, i immediately thought, what does this mean for. thought, what does this mean for britain, _ thought, what does this mean for britain, frankly? _ thought, what does this mean for britain, frankly? and _ thought, what does this mean for britain, frankly? and i— thought, what does this mean for britain, frankly? and i thought. thought, what does this mean for| britain, frankly? and i thought we were _ britain, frankly? and i thought we were going — britain, frankly? and i thought we were going to— britain, frankly? and i thought we were going to he _ britain, frankly? and i thought we were going to be in— britain, frankly? and i thought we were going to be in for— britain, frankly? and i thought we were going to be in for a - britain, frankly? and i thought we were going to be in for a fairly- were going to be in for a fairly transactional— were going to be in for a fairly transactional roller—coaster. were going to be in for a fairly. transactional roller—coaster ride.

but we _ transactional roller—coaster ride. but we have _ transactional roller—coaster ride. but we have to _ transactional roller—coaster ride. but we have to decide _ transactional roller—coaster ride. but we have to decide how - transactional roller—coaster ride. but we have to decide how we i transactional roller—coaster ride. i but we have to decide how we are going _ but we have to decide how we are going to _ but we have to decide how we are going to influence _ but we have to decide how we are going to influence this _ but we have to decide how we are| going to influence this presidency, what we _ going to influence this presidency, what we are — going to influence this presidency, what we are going _ going to influence this presidency, what we are going to _ going to influence this presidency, what we are going to put - going to influence this presidency, what we are going to put into i going to influence this presidency, what we are going to put into it. going to influence this presidency, | what we are going to put into it and what we are going to put into it and what we _ what we are going to put into it and what we are — what we are going to put into it and what we are going _ what we are going to put into it and what we are going to _ what we are going to put into it and what we are going to get _ what we are going to put into it and what we are going to get back i what we are going to put into it and what we are going to get back from i what we are going to get back from it. what we are going to get back from it and _ what we are going to get back from it and that — what we are going to get back from it and that is — what we are going to get back from it. and that is what _ what we are going to get back from it. and that is what we _ what we are going to get back from it. and that is what we have - what we are going to get back from it. and that is what we have to i it. and that is what we have to address — it. and that is what we have to address it— it. and that is what we have to address. , ., ., ., address. it is the art of the deal? it reall address. it is the art of the deal? it really is- _ address. it is the art of the deal? it really is. the _ address. it is the art of the deal? it really is. the title _ address. it is the art of the deal? it really is. the title of— address. it is the art of the deal? it really is. the title of trump's . it really is. the title of trump's famous book. _ it really is. the title of trump's famous book. tina, _ it really is. the title of trump's famous book. tina, you - it really is. the title of trump's famous book. tina, you spend | it really is. the title of trump's| famous book. tina, you spend a it really is. the title of trump's i famous book. tina, you spend a lot of time in america. how do you think you will approach this, second time round? should we believe what he said on the campaign trail? the huge difference is — said on the campaign trail? the huge difference is that _ said on the campaign trail? the huge difference is that completely - difference is that completely unfettered. he has every single branch of government. he has learned not to have people who push back. so he has now got this tight grip of pure trump loyalists, who are going in there very ready. they have been preparing for the last four years. in that sense, it's going to be much less chaotic, i think. but perhaps a slightly more alarming. because a lot of the things that trump says, the wild words on the stump, he

actually has people who are true believers now. there is nothing more dangerous than true believers. this new idea of deporting 10 million immigrants, i mean, it feels insane. unless elon musk is going to send them all to mars, in an intergalactic australia. i don't know how they will pull that off. andrew, you believe it is the right result, but should we be alarmed by how trump looks at the world? we will talk a lot about defence spending and the applications for ukraine, butare spending and the applications for ukraine, but are you concerned about that? i ukraine, but are you concerned about that? 4' .,. ukraine, but are you concerned about that? 4' .. ., ukraine, but are you concerned about that? ~ .,. ., , that? i think the fact that he is president means _ that? i think the fact that he is president means that - that? i think the fact that he is president means that we i that? i think the fact that he is president means that we are i that? l think the fact that he is - president means that we are going that? i think the fact that he is - president means that we are going to be all_ president means that we are going to be all putting up defence spending acrose— be all putting up defence spending across europe. it happened last time when _ across europe. it happened last time when he _ across europe. it happened last time when he was president, and it didn't happen— when he was president, and it didn't happen enough when biden was president, despite the ukrainian nightmare. and now, if there is a real scare — nightmare. and now, if there is a real scare of— nightmare. and now, if there is a real scare of american isolationism, there _ real scare of american isolationism, there is— real scare of american isolationism, there is no— real scare of american isolationism, there is no alternative than to put up there is no alternative than to put up defence — there is no alternative than to put up defence spending, which is a good

thing _ up defence spending, which is a good thing the— up defence spending, which is a good thin. . , ., ., ., thing. the administration of where trum is thing. the administration of where trump is not _ thing. the administration of where trump is not always _ thing. the administration of where trump is not always wrong, i thing. the administration of where trump is not always wrong, he i thing. the administration of where| trump is not always wrong, he was right— trump is not always wrong, he was right about — trump is not always wrong, he was right about britain _ trump is not always wrong, he was right about britain and _ trump is not always wrong, he was right about britain and europe, i trump is not always wrong, he wasi right about britain and europe, and our defence — right about britain and europe, and our defence spending, _ right about britain and europe, and our defence spending, and - right about britain and europe, and our defence spending, and how- right about britain and europe, and our defence spending, and how we| our defence spending, and how we were _ our defence spending, and how we were going — our defence spending, and how we were going to— our defence spending, and how we were going to secure _ our defence spending, and how we were going to secure ourselves. i our defence spending, and how we| were going to secure ourselves. we need _ were going to secure ourselves. we need to— were going to secure ourselves. we need to step — were going to secure ourselves. we need to step up _ were going to secure ourselves. we need to step up then— were going to secure ourselves. we need to step up then and _ were going to secure ourselves. we need to step up then and we - need to step up then and we certainly— need to step up then and we certainly need _ need to step up then and we certainly need to _ need to step up then and we certainly need to do - need to step up then and we certainly need to do so - need to step up then and we certainly need to do so now. i need to step up then and we i certainly need to do so now. we need to step up then and we certainly need to do so now. we will talk a lot about _ certainly need to do so now. we will talk a lot about that _ certainly need to do so now. we will talk a lot about that this _ certainly need to do so now. we will talk a lot about that this morning. i talk a lot about that this morning. you have put that on the agenda right at the beginning of the programme. trump's return comes at a time when we've had politician after politician coming into this studio and telling us that the world is becoming a more dangerous place. during the election, labour promised to spend 2.5% of gdp, the size of the economy, on defence to protect us. but will they tell us when they'll keep that vow? keep watching. this remembrance sunday, the military is foremost in many minds for reasons past and present. the head of our armed forces, admiral sir tony radakin, stopped by. i think there are two aspects, really. one is the the scale and the significance and reflecting as a nation.

so the fact that the king is there, the prime minister is there, the former prime ministers. but you know that this is an event being replicated all across the country, in villages, in towns, in cities, in all of our nations. and just reflecting on the significance of it in terms of the sacrifice that others have made on our behalf. and then the other aspect for me is responsibility — that their sacrifice was not made in vain. and i think as a military, that's the other act of remembrance that we pay to them every day. and we have over 10,000 people abroad, on over 50 operations, in over 50 countries and around the globe. and each of those are doing their own act of remembrance by keeping our nation safe. but reflecting that the great sacrifices that were made and what those people achieved, that we protect their achievements every day.

it's a daily tribute in real life, being carried out by thousands of people around the world. absolutely. and this has been a very significant year, notjust in terms of our one national remembrance weekend. there'll be the huge d—day commemoration and the anniversary of nato. there are many different events that you will have attended. is there one particular moment that sticks in your mind? so, particularly with remembrance, it's d—day and i'm really proud in terms of, again, how the nation came together. and the memory for me is at portsmouth, and it's those veterans and them telling their tales and then reflecting that they survived and quite often their best mate didn't. and how they want us to know again, that the sacrifice of their best mate and why they all did this. and then the other piece is that it's notjust things in the past. at remembrance this weekend, we're commemorating ten years from afghanistan.

we will have a particular unit marching past the cenotaph, where people aren't with their regiment or their affiliation. they are veterans of the afghanistan campaign, and they're marching togetherfor the first time as a formed unit reflective of that campaign. let's talk then about the here and now. you are the top military figure that oversees the defence for our nation, separate to politics, as you've just said. but since you were last with us here in the studio, the world has got more complicated. the ukraine war continues. there's conflict raging in the middle east. donald trump has just been re—elected, and many of our leaders, many of our politicians, have sat in that chair and told us we are in the most dangerous moment, perhaps for many decades. are they right, in your view? yes, i think they are right. they... it's the complexity of what's going on. it's the fact that we've got a war in europe. we very much got effectively

a war in the middle east. we've got the risk of instability in the indo—pacific, and you're seeing a struggle with countries like ourselves that want to adhere to an international system and to an international order and other countries like russia challenging that international order. and then much of the world either hedging or not wanting to get involved in that tussle. what, then, should our priorities be? because many people would listen to that kind of explanation. they read how dangerous things are, and many people in the defence world think we are simply not spending enough. and even our defence secretary, john healey, who you'll be working closely with now, has admitted we wouldn't be ready to fight a war. now, that's a pretty startling admission and doesn't give us much confidence. well... particularly on remembrance weekend, our servicemen and women will always be ready to fulfil their duty and to serve their country for whatever they're asked to do.

what i think we've been clear about is that the world is getting more dangerous and more complex since the end of the cold war. plenty of people who have followed this closely, whether it's ben wallace, the former defence secretary... lord sedwill used to be the security adviser. there does seem to be a consensus that right now our military has been hollowed out. there is a lot of investment, a lot of armaments that have gone to ukraine. that means there are shortages here, there aren't enough people being recruited. you acknowledge, as things stand, that our capacity is under real pressure? i think what is clear is that we have been honest in saying that we want to strengthen our armed forces. how important is that, that they need to be strengthened in this dangerous moment? incredibly important- _ dangerous moment? incredibly important. but _ dangerous moment? incredibly important. but it's _ dangerous moment? incredibly important. but it's in _ dangerous moment? incredibly important. but it's in lots i dangerous moment? incredibly important. but it's in lots of i important. but it's in lots of different ways. when you think you are in an era which is a little bit

more peaceful, you might take risks on your stockpiles. and that might be a sensible thing to do. as it gets more dangerous, you clearly need deeper stockpiles. that is something that we need to do, and we are investing in. we also need to learn the lessons of what is happening around the world. if you look at ukraine, we need to be better off taking technology and getting it into our armed forces, and into the hands of our sailors, soldiers, aviators, so they can use it on the front line, in a much more effective and quicker way than we can currently do. that means you also need to have a stronger relationship with industry, and you need to have the capacity in industry to be able to respond. and then the other piece, which is absolutely crucial, is how you blend all of that with your allies and partners. all of that with your allies and artners. , , ., all of that with your allies and artners., , ., i.

partners. just to give you the opportunity _ partners. just to give you the opportunity to _ partners. just to give you the opportunity to give _ partners. just to give you the opportunity to give a - partners. just to give you the l opportunity to give a message partners. just to give you the i opportunity to give a message to partners. just to give you the - opportunity to give a message to the treasury chief chief bean counter, you want more money? it treasury chief chief bean counter, you want more money?— treasury chief chief bean counter, you want more money? it will not be a surrise you want more money? it will not be a surprise that _ you want more money? it will not be a surprise that the _ you want more money? it will not be a surprise that the chief— you want more money? it will not be a surprise that the chief of _ you want more money? it will not be a surprise that the chief of defence l a surprise that the chief of defence staff will always want more money for defence. what i could say to the chief secretary is that we really want to invest in the mechanism that the government has got, to address these issues. that is a defence review, alongside a spending review, and the crucial thing for people like me and the other chiefs is that we get things into balance. the ambition of the nation and the prime minister, against the resources to match that ambition. i5 minister, against the resources to match that ambition.— minister, against the resources to match that ambition. is 2.596 enough? that is for the — match that ambition. is 2.596 enough? that is for the review _ match that ambition. is 2.596 enough? that is for the review to _ match that ambition. is 2.596 enough? that is for the review to assess, i that is for the review to assess, and to do that in a much more significant way than the usual ding—dong of every year, how much money have you got? we want longer term stability, longer term clarity.

lets talk about ukraine. russia is well known of being coy and secretive about the true cost in terms of war dead and people that have been injured. in your view, what is the status quo of what is happening to russian troops? edit what is the status quo of what is happening to russian troops? of the tactical level. _ happening to russian troops? of the tactical level, russia _ happening to russian troops? of the tactical level, russia is _ happening to russian troops? of the tactical level, russia is paying i happening to russian troops? of the tactical level, russia is paying an i tactical level, russia is paying an extraordinary price for putin's illegal invasion. so, octoberwas the worst casualty figures for russia so far. on average, over 1500 people either killed or wounded every single day. people either killed or wounded every single day-— people either killed or wounded i every single day._ every every single day. everyday? every sinale every single day. everyday? every single day. _ every single day. everyday? every single day. for— every single day. everyday? every single day, for tiny _ every single day. everyday? every single day, for tiny increments i every single day. everyday? every single day, for tiny increments of | single day, for tiny increments of land. there is no doubt that russia is making tactical, territorial gains. that is putting pressure on ukraine, because ukraine is having to put more people to the front line. and ukraine is also under pressure from the airborne attacks on the long—range missiles that are

impacting on their energy infrastructure, which, again, hits the morale of the nation. but, at a higher level, you need to come back to russia. russia is spending over 40% of its public expenditure on defence and security. that is more thanit defence and security. that is more than it spends on education defence and securit