all the way from castleford. tell me about the gear you need. you've obviously come prepared. yep, so, bins because it's obviously in those trees behind us, and without them, you're not gonna see it, and then scopes if you can try and get pictures and cameras. it all adds up to cul—de—sac congestion, but at least one neighbour had found a way to wing it — charging £10 for twitchers to stand in his garden with all proceeds going to children in need. just shy of £300 for children in need. it's a bit of fun, it's not usual for this area. it's usually a quiet private road. but maybe for the sake of the residents, they will take flight in due course. if you want to continue watching the bbc news at ten please turn over to bbc news at ten please turn over to bbc one or you can watch on iplayer. next, it's newsnight.

over the abuse scandal, we ask a leading bishop whether others in the church should now follow. we scrutinise the assisted dying bill with one of the mp5 supporting that proposal. and chef heston blumentahl on being sectioned, working 120 hours a week and why the hit tv series the bear is �*triggering' for him. welcome to newsnight, live each weeknight with interviews and insight. this time last night we asked how long the archbishop of canterbury could stay in his post as thejohn smyth abuse scandal swirled around him.

today around 2pm justin welby announced he'd decided to resign. last thursday he told channel 4 news he wouldn't be quitting, because he claimed he didn't know about the smyth abuse allegations of beating as many as 130 boys and young men, until 2013, when mr welby became the head of the church of england. because of a scathing report published last week, we now know that at the point, he didn't formally report smyth to the police, nor did he follow up with colleagues who said they had — they hadn't. if they had done that, smyth may not have gone on to abuse more boys in south africa and zimbabwe. on last night's programme a survivor of smyth, mark stibbe, told us this. he led me up, literally up his garden path at his house

outside winchester, to a shed which had been especially soundproofed and built for his abuses, and he subjected me to a terrible assault. he basically caned me so many times that i thought i was going to die. i honestly don't believe that justin welby can continue. i don't believe that his position is tenable. and i would also apply that to the bishops that knew and did nothing. and the senior clergy of the church of england that knew and did nothing. i think their positions are also untenable. i think there needs to be a clean sweep. let's talk to the bishop of winchester, philip mountstephen, who's been in this post since last year. winchester was a place where smyth carried out abuse in the �*705 and �*805 — in the form of beatings he subjected boys and young men to. bishop philip is chair of the redress board that is tasked with putting in place a scheme to provide financial and otherforms of support for survivors.

thank you for talking to us. he was shaking her head in horror as mark was describing his abuse. what was your reaction tojustin welby�*s resignation? i your reaction to justin welby's resignation?— resignation? i want to start by sa in: resignation? i want to start by saying that — resignation? i want to start by saying that i — resignation? i want to start by saying that i think _ resignation? i want to start by saying that i think first - resignation? i want to start by saying that i think first we - resignation? i want to start by i saying that i think first we should be thinking about the survivors of abuse, those who were appallingly traumatised byjohn smyth, who have borne not only the physical but emotional scars of that abuse for so many years. it is very easy to get into the politics and personalities but there are real people at the heart of those who have been deeply hurt and traumatised and whatever we think about the position of the archbishop or anyone else, i think her thoughts and certainly my prayers first and foremost with those people. has prayers first and foremost with those maple-— prayers first and foremost with those people. prayers first and foremost with

those ”eole. , . ,y ., those people. has justin welby made the riaht those people. has justin welby made the right decision? _ those people. has justin welby made the right decision? i _ those people. has justin welby made the right decision? i think— those people. has justin welby made the right decision? i think he - those people. has justin welby made the right decision? i think he has - the right decision? i think he has made a very _ the right decision? i think he has made a very difficult _ the right decision? i think he has made a very difficult decision - the right decision? i think he has| made a very difficult decision and the right decision? i think he has i made a very difficult decision and i think it is the right one. he has a very strong sense of duty and responsibility. he has a great desire to address fundamental issues. i think that has been his track record throughout his time as archbishop. he once in simplistic terms to put things right and he felt he could do that until we reached a point in all this when he became the story rather than the solution and i think at that point he felt he had to go and he took a difficult but right decision. the mean difficult but right decision. the megan review— difficult but right decision. the megan review pointed out there are four current serving bishops in the church of england who knew about the behaviour ofjohn smyth and the bishop of lincoln stephen conway who was then the bishop of ely when he

was then the bishop of ely when he was told in 2013 thejohn smyth's abuse appeared to be very little, should he resign? i abuse appeared to be very little, should he resign?— abuse appeared to be very little, should he resign? i think one of the really important _ should he resign? i think one of the really important thing _ should he resign? i think one of the really important thing is _ should he resign? i think one of the really important thing is the - really important thing is the archbishop has said as he takes personalised institutional responsibility for all this and that puts him in a different place and category. he leads the church of england, it has failed and he has taken institutional responsibility. ta ken institutional responsibility. my taken institutional responsibility. my expectation in terms of safeguarding practice in the church of england is that where there have been periods in safeguarding practice, those should be investigated appropriate and proportionate action should be taken with anyone who has failed in safeguarding terms.- with anyone who has failed in safeguarding terms. those four current serving _

safeguarding terms. those four current serving bishops, - safeguarding terms. those four current serving bishops, we - safeguarding terms. those four. current serving bishops, we know from the report that the bishop of ely as was back then and it says other senior leaders, the makin t report said there was a distinct lack of curiosity shown by the seniorfigures and a lack of curiosity shown by the senior figures and a tendency towards minimisation of the matter so should the bishop of lincoln and others resign? it is so should the bishop of lincoln and others resign?— others resign? it is important to save the makin _ others resign? it is important to save the makin report _ others resign? it is important to save the makin report lists - others resign? it is important to | save the makin report lists many people. i save the makin report lists many --eole. . save the makin report lists many ”eole. ., ., save the makin report lists many ”eole. ., save the makin report lists many aneole, ., ., people. i am asking you about the bisho s. people. i am asking you about the bishos. i people. i am asking you about the bishops. i know— people. i am asking you about the bishops. i know you _ people. i am asking you about the bishops. i know you are _ people. i am asking you about the bishops. i know you are but - people. i am asking you about the bishops. i know you are but one . people. i am asking you about the | bishops. i know you are but one of the thins bishops. i know you are but one of the things we _ bishops. i know you are but one of the things we want _ bishops. i know you are but one of the things we want to _ bishops. i know you are but one of the things we want to say - bishops. i know you are but one of the things we want to say in - bishops. i know you are but one of the things we want to say in the i the things we want to say in the church of england, we consistently say is safeguarding is everybody�*s business. i would stress again that we need a consistent appropriate and proportionate response to safeguarding feelings whether it is for bishops or of everyone else. we say this is just a problem and we

deal with the bishops, we will leave other feelings that happened elsewhere. we need a consistent approach and i know it is the approach and i know it is the approach the national safeguarding team and the lead bishop safeguarding taking at the moment. they will continue to go through the makin report and ensure appropriate action is taken wherever that is required. action is taken wherever that is reuuired. ~ ., ., , ., required. what about listening to survivors like _ required. what about listening to survivors like mark _ required. what about listening to survivors like mark stibbe, - required. what about listening to i survivors like mark stibbe, he says they should all go. i survivors like mark stibbe, he says they should all go.— they should all go. i think there is an appropriate — they should all go. i think there is an appropriate process _ they should all go. i think there is an appropriate process to - they should all go. i think there is an appropriate process to be to i an appropriate process to be to determine the nature of failings. irate determine the nature of failings. we have got it in the makin report. that was thorough. have you read that. ., u, that was thorough. have you read that. ., _, ., _, that was thorough. have you read that. ., ., ., that. from cover to cover and the appendices- _ that. from cover to cover and the appendices. there _ that. from cover to cover and the appendices. there is _ that. from cover to cover and the appendices. there is an _ that. from cover to cover and the l appendices. there is an appropriate process to go through, of risk assessment and i would fully expect those to be gone through. [30 assessment and i would fully expect those to be gone through.— those to be gone through. do you believe justin _ those to be gone through. do you believe justin welby _ those to be gone through. do you believe justin welby when - those to be gone through. do you believe justin welby when he - those to be gone through. do you |

believe justin welby when he says those to be gone through. do you . believe justin welby when he says he believejustin welby when he says he knew nothing of the john believejustin welby when he says he knew nothing of thejohn smyth allegations until 2013? i do. when allegations until2013? i do. when did ou allegations until2013? i do. when did you first _ allegations until2013? i do. when did you first hear— allegations until 2013? i if when did you first hear about the allegations? i did you first hear about the allegations?— did you first hear about the alleaations? , , ,.,, ., ., allegations? i suppose it would have been around — allegations? i suppose it would have been around the _ allegations? i suppose it would have been around the time _ allegations? i suppose it would have been around the time of _ allegations? i suppose it would have been around the time of the - allegations? i suppose it would havej been around the time of the channel four documentary in 2017. i wasn't aware of the story before then. the neighbouring desires desire staff to it talks of others of the cause being aware i desires desire staff to you is guildford. they described a neighbouring desires desire staff to you is guildford. they described a shocking beating at the hands of shocking beating at the hands of john smyth. i wondered if he had john smyth. i wondered if he had ever spoken to you about that. i ever spoken to you about that. i have been aware he has been through have been aware he has been through that. we have touched on it that. we have touched on it occasionally in conversation. but i occasionally in conversation. but i can't as a friend and i have deepest can't as a friend and i have deepest sympathy for him as a survivor and sympathy for him as a survivor and victim of abuse. i victim of abuse. i sympathy for him as a survivor and victim of abuse.— sympathy for him as a survivor and victim of abuse.— victim of abuse. i want to ask you aaain victim of abuse. i want to ask you again from _ victim of abuse. i want to ask you victim of abuse. i want to ask you aaain victim of abuse. i want to ask you again from _ victim of abuse. i want to ask you again from the — victim of abuse. i want to ask you again from the makin _ victim of abuse. i want to ask you again from the makin report, - victim of abuse. i want to ask you | again from the makin report, talks again from the — victim of abuse. i want to ask you again from the makin _ victim of abuse. i want to ask you again from the makin report, - victim of abuse. i want to ask you | again from the makin report, talks aboutjohn smyth making visits to aboutjohn smyth making visits to wyclif hall, a theological college wyclif hall, a theological college around the same time you there and around the same time you there and

it talks of others of the cause it talks of others of the cause being aware of being aware of the abuse. did you hear anything back then? nothing. no whisers at hear anything back then? nothing. no whispers at all? _ hear anything back then? nothing. no whispers at all? none _ hear anything back then? nothing. no whispers at all? none at _ hear anything back then? nothing. no whispers at all? none at all. - hear anything back then? nothing. no whispers at all? none at all. i - whispers at all? none at all. i didn't move — whispers at all? none at all. i didn't move in _ whispers at all? none at all. i didn't move in those - whispers at all? none at all. i didn't move in those kind - whispers at all? none at all. i didn't move in those kind of. didn't move in those kind of circles. , , ., ., ., circles. did you ever hear of the existence _ circles. did you ever hear of the existence of _ circles. did you ever hear of the existence of the _ circles. did you ever hear of the existence of the night _ circles. did you ever hear of the existence of the night you - circles. did you ever hear of the existence of the night you need| circles. did you ever hear of the i existence of the night you need to do report intojohn smyth which was covered up by the church of england? no. do covered up by the church of england? no. , ., , covered up by the church of england? no. , , ., no. do you entrust complaints that re ort in no. do you entrust complaints that report in 1982. _ no. do you entrust complaints that report in 1982. it— no. do you entrust complaints that report in 1982, it is _ no. do you entrust complaints that report in 1982, it is linked - no. do you entrust complaints that report in 1982, it is linked to - report in 1982, it is linked to wyclif old. report in 1982, it is linked to wyclif old-— wyclif old. only in the most informal — wyclif old. only in the most informal way. _ wyclif old. only in the most informalway. i— wyclif old. only in the most informalway. i trained - wyclif old. only in the most | informal way. i trained there wyclif old. only in the most - informalway. i trained there but i informal way. i trained there but i never went to the... informalway. i trained there but i never went to the. . ._ informalway. i trained there but i never went to the... there was no charter? none _ never went to the... there was no charter? none whatsoever. - never went to the... there was no charter? none whatsoever. the i never went to the... there was no - charter? none whatsoever. the church of en . land charter? none whatsoever. the church of england covered _ charter? none whatsoever. the church of england covered up _ charter? none whatsoever. the church of england covered up this _ charter? none whatsoever. the church of england covered up this abuse - charter? none whatsoever. the church of england covered up this abuse for. of england covered up this abuse for 50 years, you are chair of a redress board tasked with putting in place a scheme to provide financial and bespoke forms of redress for survivors, there is £150 million set aside to help with that, how will you help survivors going forward?

the redress scheme is being very carefully developed. it is really now in its final stages. the point of it is to provide an appropriate form of redress to survivors of abuse that will take both the financial burden but very importantly will take other forms as well and a form of therapy anthropology, and forms of survivors themselves might want. it is very important to say we as a board of survivor representatives on that board and we have been working very closely with survivors. i hope to put in place a scheme that can at least in some way express a measure of the church's deep regret for the abuse survivors have undergone. do you support a mandatory reporting

bill? i you support a mandatory reporting bill? ~' you support a mandatory reporting bill? ~ , ., , , ., bill? i think there is a very strong moral obligation _ bill? i think there is a very strong moral obligation on _ bill? i think there is a very strong moral obligation on all _ bill? i think there is a very strong moral obligation on all of - bill? i think there is a very strong moral obligation on all of us - bill? i think there is a very strong moral obligation on all of us to i moral obligation on all of us to report abuse. moral obligation on all of us to report abuse-— moral obligation on all of us to report abuse. moral obligation on all of us to reort abuse. , ., , report abuse. does it need to be in legislation? _ report abuse. does it need to be in legislation? i _ report abuse. does it need to be in legislation? i suspect _ report abuse. does it need to be in legislation? i suspect it _ report abuse. does it need to be in legislation? i suspect it may - report abuse. does it need to be in legislation? i suspect it may be - report abuse. does it need to be in | legislation? i suspect it may be but i think the technicalities _ legislation? i suspect it may be but i think the technicalities of - i think the technicalities of legislation will go on to talk about the assisted dying bill, getting the wording right but the attention has to be absolutely clear that there can be no hiding, that abuse thrives on secrecy, in the dark, and in the church we are supposed to be about bringing things into light and helping people flourish and blossom in the fullness of life and abuse of the complete denial of that and we can have no truck with it.— can have no truck with it. thank ou. the bishop of lincoln said in a statement that when he was bishop of ely he received a disclosure aboutjohn smyth, and made a detailed disclosure to lambeth palace, as well as contacting the relevant diocese in south africa to alert

them to the issue. he said that it was his understanding that this information was passed on to the police, and that he did everything within his authority as a bishop. he added that he did not rigorously pursue lambeth palace about that communication, and for this he is deeply sorry. and if you've been affected by abuse or violence, and would like some advice or support do contact bbc.co.uk/actionline, or you can call for free,

bbc.co.uk/actionline, oryou can call forfree, members' most consequential private members' bill since the abortion act of 1967. what this bill is designed to do is obviously change the law but do it in a way that offers reassurance for people who believed this is an absolutely monumental step to take. let's just look at how this bill aims to do that. firstly the eligibility. y