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welcome to bbc news. this is bbc news, the headlines: a backlash after donald trump nominates the vaccine sceptic and conspiracy theorist robert f kenneder, to be his health secretary. he read bbc verify we have been checking some of the things that robert f kennedy checking some of the things that robert f kenneder has been saying about health issues. here, in bristol, a group of teenagers, and a man have been found guilty of murdering two best friends in a case of mistaken identity. fight or fiasco — all eyes on mike tyson as the former heayweight champion takes on the youtuber jake paul.
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we will hear a reaction. and the fourth and final supermoon of the year lights up the night sky. we will see the pictures and talk to an astronomer. all of that in a moment or two. i'm going to take you live to north well is because the uk prime ministers sir keir starmer is that an aerospace facility during a 0&a that an aerospace facility during a q&a session with workers there. let's put a microphone up and hear it. what investors see — microphone up and hear it. what investors see is _ microphone up and hear it. what investors see is the _ microphone up and hear it. wiat investors see is the certainty that it investors see is the certainty thatitis investors see is the certainty that it is safe to put my money and in that is the most important thing in the jobs of the future. it is notjust the jobs but also the technology. you know you have to change technology all the time because competitors are out there and thatis competitors are out there and that is the aerodynamics... the
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to come in to speak to you today. we hope we can. to come in to speak to you . today. we hope we can keep to come in to speak to you - today. we hope we can keep the dialogue — today. we hope we can keep the dialogue going _ today. we hope we can keep the dialogue going i_ today. we hope we can keep the dialogue going. i came - today. we hope we can keep the dialogue going. i came to - today. we hope we can keep the dialogue going. i came to speakl dialogue going. i came to speak to you _ dialogue going. i came to speak to you in — dialogue going. i came to speak to you in august... _ dialogue going. i came to speak to you in august... this - to you in august... this session _ to you in august... this session is _ to you in august... this session is clearly - to you in august... thisl session is clearly coming to you in august... this - session is clearly coming to an end. we cut keir starmer singly key for this government is
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translate that improvements in economics into people's packets. he said you must feel it, must feel better off and it is fascinating hearing because it is the key takeaway uk government after watching the us government election after improvements in their economy that it was an expense to them that it was an expense to them that they would feel improvements in the next coming while so it is interesting the way keir starmer has just way keir starmer hasjust phased way keir starmer has just phased the debate there as he talked to workers in north wales. let's get a bit more on our main story now. the backlash over donald trump's nomination as secretary for health. bbc verify�*s merlyn thomas looks now at the controversial claims he has made in the past. as donald trump prepares to enter the white house, those he chooses to bring with him will have an impact on millions of americans. robert f kenneder has been nominated as
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donald trump's health secretary in his second presidential term. this is what trump said about rfkjr in his victory speech. robert f kennedy jr, he came in...and he's going to help make i america healthy again. cheering rfkjr is an environmental lawyer and part of the kennedy dynasty. he's been a vaccine sceptic for nearly two decades and has shared misinformation on a range of public health issues. now, one of his main false claims, repeated in a 2023 interview with fox news, was that autism comes from vaccines. multiple studies across many countries haveconcluded there is no link between vaccines and autism. rfkjr has denied on several occasions that he is anti—vaccination and says he has had his children vaccinated. i have never been an anti—vax. i have never told anybody... i have never told the public, avoid vaccination. and in an interview
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after the election, he said he didn't want to take vaccines away, but that people should have the best information so they can make informed choices. during the pandemic, rfkjr was also a critic of restrictions to limit the spread of covid—19. he also spread misinformation by telling media that covid—19 is targeted to attack caucasians and black people. these claims are false. health specialists have said the virus didn't target any specific ethnic group, and the number of covid cases had more to do with larger or intergenerational households. rfkjr has also long campaigned against fluoride, a naturally occurring mineral, is added to water supplies in many countries, and it's long been recognised to protect teeth against decay. in his post on x, rfkjr said fluoride is associated with several health issues, including arthritis, bone cancer and neurodevelopmental disorders. but experts we spoke to say the research he cites doesn't relate to the very low levels of fluoride in drinking water. now, the big question
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is whether his appointment will be approved by the senate, and if so, how will rfk jr govern? ambassador ivo daalder, who served as the us permanent representative to nato under president obama, and is the president of the chicago council on global affairs gave me his analysis of donald trump's appointments so far. well, basically he said what he was going to do and he's now doing it. he said he was going to appoint people who would eliminate any guardrails that were existing in the first term that would oppose what he's trying to do. he would only appoint people who are loyal to him and to him alone. and then he would use those people to basically remake the american government, to go after what he calls the deep state, to make sure that the instruments of government are used not to better the lives of the american
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people, but to ensure that he gets what he wants, whether that is justice, in quotation marks for his enemies, a military that only does what he wants to do, whether that is to fight not only abroad, but maybe be deployed inside of the united states itself, and an intelligence apparatus that reaffirms his views of the world, as opposed to telling him what's really going on. and the appointments are all designed for that very purpose. you mentioned the military, and of course, he is replacing the defence secretary, a four star general, with a fox news host with no experience in government. you mentioned the domestic aspect of the military. what are your principal concerns there? well, one of my big concerns is that donald trump, who said during the campaign that he thought the enemies within were the much bigger challenge and threat to the united states, that he would use the us military to go
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after the enemies within. he's also mentioned the importance of starting a massive deportation programme, and has intimated that the us military can be used for that purpose, as well. so the question before us is, first, will he order the us military to engage in law enforcement and immigration enforcement actions, which he could do if he invokes the insurrection act or the alien enemies act of 1798, which he has also talked about. and then secondly, the important question is will the military follow suit? and one of the worries you have about this fox news commentator is he's already said he was going to get rid of the kind of generals and admirals who did not fit what he believes, a it needs to be done, which is undying loyalty not to the constitution, but to the president of the united states. tell me more about... so, iam
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so, i am worried. tell me more about that concern, because i was going to actually ask you exactly that, because those at the top of the military, they've pledged their allegiance to the constitution. isn't that the safeguard that protects from all of the things that you were most concerned about? well, yes. and one could hope that the military would oppose the orders of the commander in chief. but that creates other problems, big constitutional problems. what does it mean to have civilian control over the military? if the military itself decides what is right and what is wrong? so in most of these instances, if there is this conflict for an individual, they resign rather than because they refuse to follow what they believe to be an illegal order. is the entire military leadership going to resign? indeed. is the entire military going to resign, or are some of the people in the military, including in senior positions, actually quite comfortable with executing the orders that they get from the commander in chief? and this could be,
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and likely will be one of the biggest crises in civil military relations this country has ever seen. let's turn to foreign affairs, another of your real areas of expertise. what do you expect when it comes to foreign policy? ukraine, for example, after what has been said in recent weeks and months, both by donald trump and, of course, tulsi gabbard, who is the intelligence chief? yeah. and even marco rubio, who privately the new designate for the for secretary of state, who privately has indicated support for ukraine, of course, publicly voted against the ukraine aid package last april. i think that donald trump likes to make deals. that is what his entire view is of international politics, of life in general. he is a transactional person, and he's looking to make big deals that he can claim will end both the war in ukraine and, frankly, the conflicts in the middle east. so i think he's going to push... as it stands, president zelensky doesn't want
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a deal because he fears a deal would mean that the status quo is imposed upon him. and that means another big chunk of ukraine simply goes into russian control. exactly. so the question is, what kind of deal could he get the two sides to agree to? it's not one that ends this war, but it might be a ceasefire, particularly if donald trump makes very clear that unless there is a ceasefire, there won't be any more assistance to ukraine. both the ukrainians and the russians have now been fighting for almost three years. they have lost massive numbers of people and of material. and both sides might well decide that, at least for now, they're willing to either lower the temperature, the tempo of fighting, or indeed have a ceasefire. that doesn't end the war, but allows donald trump to claim that he has a win. let me ask you about iran. another red flag that is flashing there. elon musk, what did you make of that news that's emerged, that he's ended up meeting with the iranian ambassador to the un?
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well, i mean, one it means that we're privatising ourforeign policy. elon musk has no role in the us government. right now, the president of the united states is not donald trump, butjoe biden. so there is a real question why individuals are meeting with foreign leaders, particularly when it comes about national security and foreign policy issues. so that's one very worrisome indication. but the second, i think is interesting if we ignore sort of the legality of it all. clearly trump, through musk, is trying to figure out whether there is a deal to be made with iran. and it won't be going back to the nuclear agreement of 2015, the worst agreement in history, as donald trump called it. but i can see something very similar. i can see an agreement that that trump would sign on to that would lift sanctions on iran and cap, if not eliminate, the nuclear weapons programme, in fact, not very different from the deal agreed to in 2015. the real question in my mind
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is, are the iranians prepared to do this? after all, this is the same government that the us government has accused of trying to assassinate donald trump. and under those circumstances, are they really willing to make a deal with trump? the economic situation in iran suggests, perhaps. on the other hand, realpolitik suggests perhaps not. we spoke earlier on today's programme. more and washington later in our problem. around the world and across the uk you are watching bbc news.
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this you are watching bbc news. it's the fight that making headlines — that purists describe as a insult to the sport. former world heavyweight boxing champion mike tyson is set to take onjake paul, a youtuber turned
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professional boxer. tyson — well we don't need to explain his boxing credentials. as always there were the usual shenaogans at the weigh in. i have been speaking to a former professional boxer and analyst and i asked him how crazy the notion was of this fight. it crazy the notion was of this fi . ht. , crazy the notion was of this fiuht. , . ., fight. it is creating curiosity, - fight. it is creating curiosity, did - fight. it is creating| curiosity, did they, fight. it is creating _ curiosity, did they, curiosity. you have got a young man and i think tyson is old enough to be his father. he is when you're older than me and you are thinking, old school boxer like me, this is mike tyson. you are getting lost in the nostalgia of the highs that tyson reached. then you have this young gun injake paul, they call him the trouble child. why? because he can cause trouble in an empty room. the problem is mike tyson as well as jake paul will not stick to any script that is put in front of them because that is why they are who they are. jake
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paul is in one stage of his life and mike tyson has been there and done that. but tyson still has that flick on him. what you mean stick to a script? do you think this is simply a stunt?— script? do you think this is simply a stunt? no, no, no. i think additionally _ simply a stunt? no, no, no. i think additionally when - simply a stunt? no, no, no. i think additionally when i - think additionally when i pushed this fight came across as an exhibition. i think it will be farfrom as an exhibition. i think it will be far from an exhibition with these two guys. their egos are far too big. their instinct, chip on the shoulder is far too raw for them to play at boxing. it is the only spot you can play... it at boxing. it is the only spot you can play-"— at boxing. it is the only spot you can play... it is certainly the case _ you can play... it is certainly the case with _ you can play... it is certainly the case with mike - you can play... it is certainly the case with mike tyson - you can play... it is certainly the case with mike tyson as| you can play... it is certainly. the case with mike tyson as we know all about him like the air by then, the legend he has. we are looking at paul and screen and what happened at the weigh in. a basic question— is this potentially dangerous if tyson lads one of his huge punches?
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it is dangerous for both fighters. for mike tyson because it is 58 years old and he does not have the pace of a young man— he does not have the pace of a young man and for paul he has never been _ young man and for paul he has never been in _ young man and for paul he has never been in the _ young man and for paul he has never been in the ring - young man and for paul he has never been in the ring with - never been in the ring with anyone with mike tyson's credentials but he is 58 years old. we can forget he is an older man and you cannot buy attack. �* ., ., ., ., attack. but he looks in amazing time... attack. but he looks in amazing time- -- you _ attack. but he looks in amazing time... you cannot _ attack. but he looks in amazing time... you cannot buy - attack. but he looks in amazing time... you cannot buy time. i attack. but he looks in amazing| time... you cannot buy time. of course he is but colin sense tells me that jake paul will try it make tired and then jump will try it make tired and then jump on him later on. that is common—sense, human nature. what are they getting paid? ridiculously a lot of money and i think it is anything that mike tyson would want to risk
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his legacy and this young down and the great mike tyson getting in the ring with jake paul and risking getting beaten. he wouldn't do that for very little. we are reportedly talking 70 mil.— talking 70 mil. netflix streaming _ talking 70 mil. netflix streaming alive - talking 70 mil. netflix streaming alive so - talking 70 mil. netflix streaming alive so we | talking 70 mil. netflix . streaming alive so we are talking 70 mil. netflix - streaming alive so we are in a new territory of blurring lines with a youtube and former boxer being screened.— being screened. yes. traditional _ being screened. yes. traditional fighters . being screened. yes. l traditional fighters like myself... who is talking about it? they are talking about mike tyson against a youtube. i'm not going to write jake paul off, he can fight on a domestic level but he has to pick his opponents wisely. to level but he has to pick his opponents wisely.- opponents wisely. to stay with us here in _ opponents wisely. to stay with us here in bbc— opponents wisely. to stay with us here in bbc news. - opponents wisely. to stay with us here in bbc news. we - opponents wisely. to stay with us here in bbc news. we have| us here in bbc news. we have the latest from washington
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coming up. we will be talking live to doctor tom who was the head of the centers for disease control who is adi talking about his concerns about rfkjr being appointed as donald trump's new secretary of health. we will have that for you later and bbc news. let's turn to fabulous pictures because the last of four consecutive super—moons of the year will be visible in the sky tonight. it's already been seen in vietnam, pakistan and dubai — and is due to rise in the uk this afternoon. it's called the beaver moon and while it's not expected to be quite as bright as last month's supermoon, it should still be an impressive spectacle for sky gazers. well, joining me now to talk about this supermoon
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is ben marshall who's an astronomer at grassholme observatory. welcome to the programme. we were showing a few of the pictures. they are already so beautiful. explain to people watching why the moon appears so large as we see it in this super moon version. the so large as we see it in this super moon version. the moon is not on a circular _ super moon version. the moon is not on a circular orbit _ super moon version. the moon is not on a circular orbit but - super moon version. the moon is not on a circular orbit but an - not on a circular orbit but an elliptical orbit so there are times when it is slightly closer and further away. we call the poi when it is closest... at the minute it call the poi when it is
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