it was as if there was only news monday to friday. so, president putin has spoken by phone to olaf scholz. yes. the russians say the germans initiated it. and now president zelensky has made an absolutely chapter changing intervention himself. he has. and since donald trump's victory, so much of the commentary has been dominated by, what does it mean for ukraine, because he has made all sorts of noises about not really being up for continuing the backing of it. he promised on the stump that he could end the war in a day. today, president zelensky has done an interview with a ukrainian outfit saying it is certain the war will end sooner with the policies of the team that will now lead to the white house. the white house. this is their approach, their promise to their citizens. now look, of course, all of this is part of sort of megaphone diplomacy, right? the people involved in these incredibly sensitive, important, diplomatic and public conversations know that they are haggling in public, right? they are not just saying, oh, this is the truth

and nothing but the truth. they're also sending very, very loud messages. so part of this clearly is president zelensky, i don't want to use the word cosying up in such a serious situation, that seems too glib, but clearly at this point he needs america's help. clearly it's not going to be productive for him to say president trump is a terrible person. however, it is notable how sort of solid this statement seems to be. totally. and very definitive this statement seems to be. and also the us and germany are the number one and number two bank rollers in ukraine's self—defence efforts, and all the munitions. that's not to say that other nations aren't helping. so it's very significant. it's a reminder of what happens when the pieces change. the election of the us president is on the scale where everyone is going to have to pay attention. and the germans have said they called zelensky first to tell him they were going to do it. but olaf scholz met

president putin face to face just before the war started, as did liz truss, and that was when the russians were saying, you know, you're all hysterical in the west, we're not in the west, we're not going to go to war. going to go to war. and then of course and then of course launched the war. launched the war. so the intervention so the intervention is kind of book ended just is kind of book ended just as donald trump has said, as donald trump has said, this war will end this war will end at my inauguration, at my inauguration, by the inauguration injanuary. by the inauguration injanuary. i don't think any newscasters i don't think any newscasters listening to this today can, listening to this today can, however, be confident that any however, be confident that any of that will actually happen. of that will actually happen. zelensky can't speak zelensky can't speak to trump under us law to trump under us law until he is president. that's right. until he is president. that's right. so we can't be confident that so we can't be confident that any of this will come to pass. any of this will come to pass. what we do know at this stage what we do know at this stage is that zelensky appears to be on support for war is that zelensky appears to be making overtures to trump making overtures to trump saying, i can work with saying, i can work with you and i get what you have you and i get what you have been signalling to me, been signalling to me, that you want this to end. that you want this to end. and also we can take and also we can take from this that germany also from this that germany also is at least in the place of, is at least in the place of, we can conjecture, we can't be we can conjecture, we can't be sure, but i think we can sure, but i think we can conjecture that germany appears conjecture that germany appears to be in a place of looking to be in a place of looking for possible ways to bring for possible ways to bring an end to this conflict. an end to this conflict. and that's significant and that's significant because in germany, we've talked about it before because in germany, we've talked about it before and we will probably and we will probably talk about it again, talk about it again, there is particular pressure there is particular pressure on olaf scholz because on olaf scholz because

the german political the german political establishment is not united establishment is not united on support for war in ukraine in the same way that you are in uk.

the calls about any potential diplomatic solutions or any compromise, those are all for president zelensky to make. we completely support him when he says he will not cede an inch of territory. that's on him, we will support him all the way because russia's invasion was illegal. however, the fact that zelensky has now said we must do everything so this war ends next year, it ends through diplomatic means, thatjust does, by implication, not spelling out, but by implication, itjust opens the door to a next phase. what does that phase look like? we don't know, but as you say, most wars end in negotiation rather than complete wipe—out. and the person who is sat on this chair on our sister podcast ukrainecast,

former nato chiefjens stoltenberg, do you remember about nine months ago he said to us in an interview for a sunday that in the end there might have to be some kind of compromise? he was very clearly also saying, i'm not going to tell president zelensky that he has to compromise now, but he used that phrase. and even by using that phrase he was, i think, just inching forwards a little bit. yeah, because it's the front line between their way. president putin has been in power for about 25 years and most of his opponents die. they fall out of windows, their planes explode, they go to prison. over in the west, our way, we have disputed elections, we are very rude in our national debate about our one opponent or the other. the polarised united states has proven how bad the well has been poisoned, of political debate in the united states, but oddly the election of trump, is, with there being a fouryear gap in the middle of biden, it means a lot of years have gone by. and donald trump himself was impeached partly because of funny business to do with ukraine, president zelensky.

he was said, donald trump, was he not, to have christened he was said, donald trump, was he not, to have pressured zelensky to get dirt on the biden family. in terms of things being suddenly simple, they are not suddenly simple but they are suddenly new. and here is something that is simple. we are at the binning of a new phase in all of this. and the new phase might not end up looking very different to the old phase but it is a new phase. which in and of itself, maybe that's a statement of the blindingly obvious because there will be a new president who happens to be an old president, but there is a new boss on his way back. there is an old boss on his way back to a new look trump white house. and that does change the dial in so many ways. it's really, really interesting, though, also, for politicians here. how are our politicians going to respond to this because they have all lined up, not all of them, nigel farage being somebody who has charted a different line... don't poke the bear, he said. but the vast majority

of our politicians have lined up completely united... as you said it, you said, the policy on ukraine had handed seamlessly from rishi sunak to keir starmer. yeah. although they have been sort of rumblings and people like the former defence secretary ben wallace has said the uk has already lost its role at the tip of the spear in terms of supporting ukraine. it's not quite as proactive as the conservatives were. that's a matter of debate and labour would dispute that but broadly if we move into a phase that looks very different, it'll be fascinating to see how uk politicians tiptoe their way through that. not least because, as we talked about a lot last weekend, the issue around defence spending and how much everybody should be spending on defence is something that's very vexed, rising up the political agenda, rather than going away. and what should we say in closing about this, is thatjust at the time this talk is making our top news on this episode, russia overnight fired at least 50 plus drones into ukraine and is working on new technology.

and the reason olaf scholz called president putin was to warn that the use of troops from north korea is a serious escalation. so we are still at this very dangerous point in europe, a war in europe. but this weekend we report both the president—elect of the united states and the president of ukraine saying there will be an end to this war in 2025. and that on its own is a big deal and it will colour a lot of the conversations that will be getting under way at g20. the prime minister is going to be back on a plane. he has been in wales with a load of farmers in llandudno, on a train and then back from there back to london, and then he's going to be on a plane on his way to g20. it's interesting, actually, quite a lot of people in and around his circle are not that happy about the fact he has been doing so much foreign travel. yes, he has. not necessarily that he had any choice. yeah.

but there is a bit of a kind of, ugh, this makes things a bit difficult, doesn't necessarily look great at home because actually you want to see the prime minister out and about meeting people or doing visits to hospitals and those things. actually, photocalls with foreign leaders chew up an awful lot of time. he's had a lot of time on a plane, and off he goes to g20. but the election of trump will have a very, very, very big impact on the shape of conversations at g20. not because he will be there but because every leader will be scratching his head thinking, oh, my goodness, ok, how are we going to deal with this new era? and also the way in which all these things are so interlinked now. jens stoltenberg, everybody will be talking about the axis of countries who work together now. will keir starmer have a chat with president xi, he would be the first uk prime minister to have a meeting with the chinese leader at g20. that's something that might definitely happen. so we will see how these conversations progress. but expect there to be a lot of high fibre international news coming out in the next few days, i think. ok, so we have done

a switcheroo. we've said what's happening with ukraine news today. you're previewing the g20. let's just say to newscasters, it's a club of rich nations, decreasingly rich, it's not the same as the g7, which is the richest in the world. the g20 was sort of born of this international order which, since the war, was sort of bossed by the us. the uk has always had this role, do we side with the united states, do we side with europe? and, oh, did we have a referendum about what our links with europe should be? and now you've got the interview in whichjens stoltenberg, when he ran nato, was saying the world order is changing. so there is a new version for countries around the world, which is the us system might be being replaced as we speak by china, russia, a sino—russian world order. that's the way it looks. so, the g20 is going to be held in rio, brazil. and you know better than i. so here we have keir starmer, a member of that club, but there are big domestic rumblings post budget and when

you are the prime minister, with a farmers protest which could come this week, the threat of withholding food from the food supply, and you are on an aeroplane, it is not the best thing, although he has serious prime ministerial work to do. it is interesting, isn't it, that whole balance of foreign policy, domestic policy, is interesting. no prime minister, certainly not keir starmer, you wouldn't have thought keir starmer was going to choose to be a foreign policy prime minister. it wasn't the way the election was fought. not at all. i remember you saying, actually, isn't it obvious that foreign policy has been nowhere in this election campaign even though it has been completely massive and we have talked about it a lot in the few months before the election campaign but lo and behold he is spending a huge amount of time on foreign policy. and that doesn't take away from the fact there are all sorts of things

going on at home that are incredibly serious and real dilemmas. newscast. — newscast, from the bbc. so, we know that labour promised a national care service in their manifesto. what we haven't learned since they won the election, five months since they won the election, we haven't learned anything about what on earth that's going to look like. and what i've been told in the last couple of weeks is that there have been a series of conversations that have ended up in what i'm told is a genuine impasse, to quote somebody who is familiar with the talks. between the treasury and department of health. and number ten. so this sort of triangle where essentially, and it has happened again and again and again over the years with the health department saying we absolutely have to get on with reforming this because around 500,000 people are waiting for care. that's having a terrible effect on the nhs, people stuck in hospital who should be at home. local councils are teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, some of them. everybody knows the system is basically broken. you have to get on with reform. the question then comes twofold, what should the shape of a new system be? number two, how on earth are we

actually going to pay for it? the treasury says, ugh, there's not much cash around. we see that we should fix it but we are reluctant to get into anything big without knowing what the price tag might be. and also, mr next door neighbour, if the price tag is a really big, are you from a political point of view really actually going to give us cover to say, we can raise more taxes, or we can borrow more money or we can do something to stump up for a new system? there's a meeting coming a week on monday between wes streeting, keir starmer and rachel reeves to try to make some progress on this. but as i understand it, somebody involved even said to me that it is dither, dither, dither. theyjust can't make their minds up on this. so the new scoop, the lk scoop, is that you've got the fact there is an impasse between those three gatekeepers, effectively, to the cash? yeah, and there is a meeting in ten days coming where they hope to make some progress. it doesn't mean they are going to make a decision but i know there were some talks around it before the budget.

then it got too near the budget and it kind of all went on the back burner. now, you will be shocked — shocked — to know, it depends who you talk to... i'm shocked to know that. ..about how they describe this. i've talked to a lot of people involved in this process in various different parts of the firmament and there is a sense where, you know, as i said, somebody said to me it is dither, dither, dither. they have to get on, they have got to make a decision. do they want to have a royal commission, do they want to have an independent review? what do they want to do? somebody else, several other people, have said actually this is a situation where there are genuinely differing views. everybody brings something else to the table. the department of health brings an urgent problem to the table, the treasury brings a real concern about money. number ten brings a desire to do the right thing but also a political bent to it. and genuinely the three big players haven't found an accommodation on it.

but what someone said to me is, think about the context here. there is a huge big spending review coming in march that will set out the government's spending priorities for the next few years. if this doesn't get sorted one way or another, evenjust very broad contours of it, very soon, there is no chance that they are going to have anything ready in time for the spending review. there is no chance they are going to have, here is a blueprint for the system, a price tag and spending review. it can get its own chapter heading. it can get its own chapter heading, you can get it going. if you leave it even longer, say for example you had a royal commission, which is one of the ideas, because it would be formal, it would be nonparty political, so that everyone basically has their hands dipped in it and all politicians have to sign up to it theoretically because nobody wants to offend the king, that then reports, oh, in the year, i don't know, before a general election. and then which political party

is going to say, vote for us because we are going to put 2p on income tax to pay for social care? so there are sort of problems everywhere you look. the reality, though, for this government is they promised they were going to fix this and they accused previous governments of promising it, then ditching it, then promising it, then ditching it and so on and so on and so on. on that, what happened to borisjohnson�*s plan that passed parliament? that's what happened. he made a big hullabaloo about getting a social care deal. of course, we could go into the people who didn't like his deal but that did happen, we reported on it. what happened to it? two things happened. one, the first chunk of the money went into the nhs and it was only ever designed to going to social care after the first couple of years. two, the pandemic and political chaos and disaster and then liz truss. so it kind of was there and then was blown off course by events and events and events, but it is well worth remembering that that plan, which was originally

a borisjohnson and sajid javid deal was that, and that the money that was earmarked would have first of all, to begin with, would have gone to the nhs and then would go into social care. so even at the time people went, you know what, social care is never going to see that. so actually, just for the newscasters, i'm thinking, the royal commission business, where has that come from? because sometimes it is just too difficult for politicians to fix the issues that outlast governments, in the past the administrations have turned to the royal commission as an effort to get all the people in the room to say, look, guess what, i may not even be the prime minister... that's right. ..by the time this is sorted out. that's right. it's what you do if something has been put back by successive governments into the too hard to fix pile. and this has certainly been put into the too hard to fix pile.

but because of demographics, because of years of stretched council budgets, more and more people are coming up with this problem, and the pain and dilemma of these problems in theirfamilies. and the longer you wait to try to fix it, the worse the problem gets. and so i think we have probably become a bit obsessed with it, every time wes streeting comes on the programme he promises he will come back with a plan. he hasn't. and now we know a bit more about what's going on behind the scenes in government, which i think it's really important we know, it's important to newscasters, it's important to your listeners on a sunday and our viewers on a sunday, this is a massive issue and is not straightforward. interestingly this week in scotland, the snp just this week has shelved their plans for a national care service again. so even when you see governments who have tried tried to take it on, and there are different provisions around social care in scotland already, but they were planning a national care service and they have ditched it. i got one of the most wonderful, yes, minister style of quotes about what might happen at this meeting in ten days and it was they might decide to decide, decide to delay deciding, or decide not to decide. marvellous! the thing is, we are often accused, this is a scoop, but we are often accused

of being process obsessed. if you go back to what it's like in a hospital, that you can't release people because they have nowhere for that person to go, an elderly person has not got a care package at home can't be released because they might fall over again, some of the waiting list problem is caused by the lack of social care provision. and the word some is doing a lot of lifting there. when you do get wes streeting on, a good question i suggest is, how much of the glued up hospital waiting list problem is down, as a proportion, is down to social care? he will be happy to give you a number. there were about, the last time i checked and it has been quite stable, there were about 13,000 people in hospital in england who could be at home but can't get home because there isn't help for them to do so. so it's very significant. and if you ask, it's a good question to ask what that proportion is. i don't know what the up—to—date proportion is or the up—to—date numbers, but we have checked that number a few times and it's more than 10,000 people who are stuck in hospitals

who could be at home if there was good social care. that's why it seems to me that it can't be the new labour government's plan not to include it, not to have any decision about it. and i don't think it is. a number ten source said to me that keir starmer is animated by this issue and is keen to proceed. what we are reporting today is not, oh, they are about to give up, not that at all. you're reporting live, active discussions. it's that they haven't been able yet to agree, and it's an incredibly difficult problem, not least because you'll remember the government has promised again and again that they are not going to put up the main rates of tax. think how much trouble they are getting into over putting up national insurance. but in this regard, i talked to one social care provider this week who told me that some providers might go under because of the national insurance increase which hits them. they said even the discussion about long—term reform, that's a second—order issue for us because so many providers are actually what they emergency. in what they call emergency. so it's a tricky, tricky,

tricky area for this government but we are not reporting that they are about to ditch it or they don't care about it but it's very, very tricky indeed for them to work out how to go. it seems like a long time ago now... what, that we started? laughter. that's true. certainly that. and incidentally, newscasters are listening, and you've got an idea for the questions that have been raised about this, but interestingly, in the general election campaign, which seems like a long time ago, there were political parties like the greens and the liberal democrats saying, oh, here's an idea. some public services do need more money spent on them. and the way you get the money is to put up tax. oh, sorry, british public. oh, sounds amazing, doesn't it? you may have to put up... oh, no. so you can see a new battle line forming in this parliament where keir starmer is facing opponents from the lib dems and the greens who say, why don't you put up tax, love? because that's a perfectly respectable thing to be hearing this parliament. i can see there being

some really interesting discussions about this. the size of this bill, meeting the pledge not to pull the main levers — national insurance, income tax, vat — that's a perfectly legitimate political fault line to be having. if you've got one part of the labour government saying, this is a massive problem, social care has never been handled. and then alongside, oh, we mustn't put up, we can't put up... it's very, very difficult. we have ed davey from the lib dems and carla denyer on tomorrow so we have the lib dems and greens tomorrow, both of whom may be making that interesting argument, paddy. i didn't even know that. people will think i'm doing your work for you. again. every week. why do you think i've missed you so much? what are you doing tomorrow? i've been to a turkey farm in essex. you've got your christmas shopping in early. what's on your menu? well, the thing is, protests, there's been some protests in llandudno today. there are more farming protests coming. and the turkey farmer i spoke to, his dad is 94 and has

made a bad taste joke against himself that it would be better for his children if he died before the iht, inheritance tax changes, come in on farming in two years�* time. so the farming world is abuzz. did you meet nice turkeys? absolutely beautiful birds. kellybronze? kellybronze they were. other turkeys are available. i mean, people will think, what do i know? i worked as a farmer... did you?! poultry farm is in one branch of my family in fact. this business was really easy for me to understand the pain that farmers say they are feeling because they feel that the rest of us don't get it. we go to the supermarket and we don't actually know a lot about farming. that's part of the anger of farmers.

it's a cultural thing. it's a cultural thing and labour versus the farmer is becoming a bit of a bubble on placards was that is becoming a bit of a bubble on placards. i would say that it's an issue that needs to be stopped before it gets bigger if you are advising labour because you will see people looking at it like the government don't get it. and tractors descending on whitehall and blocking the gates of downing street will not be a good look. there has been a whole hoo—ha about what kind of protest you can have or anyway. we are never short of a hoo—ha. one farmer said to me if this was france it would be a tractor car park. the french farmers have also been very muscular about it. obviously everyone hopes there will be a resolution in a very british way but at the moment i think it's getting quite bad—tempered. very interesting. did you interview any turkeys? well, funny enough i was doing a recording for my programme and i had to stop because certain words that i said

seemed to agitate the turkeys. i had to stop and then start again. i was intrigued. i think we should draw a veil. yes, let's say thank you very much for your lovely welcome to be back. please write to us telling us how to improve this offering. god knows we need it. god knows we need advice. there has been lots of news and now we have scampered to the end. thank you very much for listening. talk to you tomorrow. newscast. — newscast, from the bbc. hello again. up to now it's been a very mild november, but all that is changing. it's going to be getting colder over the week ahead for all of us. and that means frosts more widely. and for northern parts of the uk in particular, the risk of some snow and some ice. and it's all because this deep area of low pressure is moving away into scandinavia. and following on from that, the winds are coming down from the north, from the arctic, pushing down into the uk. and those colder winds have arrived already in scotland. the winds are easing overnight, but we'll see more wintry showers over the hills in the north of the country. some clear spells elsewhere as that cloud and rain clears away from southern parts of england and wales — will still be a few showers too. where we have the lighter winds

and clearer skies in eastern scotland and north east england there'll be a frost. temperatures could be as low as —3 celsius, but it should start bright and sunny here. it won't be as windy in scotland as it's been today, but we'll see showers developing and, again, they'll be wintry over the hills in the north. cloud probably building across other parts of the uk. most of the rain affecting northern ireland, moving into wales and the northwest of england. temperature—wise, probably going to be a couple of degrees lower than today. quite a significant and noticeable change for the midlands in particular. we've still got double figure temperatures, though, in the far southwest in that milder air mass. but it's colder air elsewhere. and along the boundary between those two, you get a weather front. and this deepening area of low pressure — that's going to run into the colder air, and bring the risk of snow later on monday and monday night. but, during the day, more wintry showers continuing across northern scotland, cloud tending to build elsewhere, bringing with it some outbreaks of rain, wetter weather arriving in northern ireland as that area of low pressure approaches, and it bumps

into that colder air. so as we head into monday evening, we're going to find the rain turning to snow across some parts of northern ireland, but more especially overnight, into southern scotland and northern england. this is where we've got the greater risk of disruption. there is a yellow weather warning at the moment with the heavier snow over the hills, of course. we've also got that snow across the far north of scotland. snow in northern england, southern scotland could continue into tuesday morning before that. low pressure then moves away. but we're still left with this northerly wind well into next week, bringing colder air and some more wintry showers.

newscast from the bbc. live from london. this is bbc news president xi promises china will be an open country, ahead of meeting joe biden for the last time as us president. more criticism for azerbaijan's cop 29 — as activists say their voices are not being heard at the climate summit. farmers in wales stage a protest outside the welsh labour conference in opposition to government plans to change an inheritence tax. a super typhoon has made landfall in the philippines with wind speeds of almost 200 kilometres per hour. and — the former world heavyweight boxing champion, mike tyson, loses his fight against the youtuber,

jake paul. us presidentjoe biden has a right in lima where he and his chinese counterpart xi jinping will hold their last meeting. it comes a day after both leaders warned of turbulent times ahead as donald trump returns to the white house. mr xijinping has told delegates at the asia—pacific delegate summit taking place in peru that china will be in increasingly open country at a time mr xi has told delegates at the asia—pacific economic summit taking place in peru that china will be an increasingly open country, at a time where he said some were closing in, and pulling towards unilateralism. the comments seemed to mark how china will try to position

itself once donald trump takes office as us