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ukraine's president zelenksy says russia has launched around 120 missiles and 90 drones in what he calls a "massive" combined air strike on his country's energy structure. the foreign minister andriy sybiha says: "russia launched one of the largest air attacks: drones and missiles against peaceful cities, sleeping civilians, critical infrastructure. " ukraine's energy operator announced "emergency power cuts" in the kyiv region. the bombardment also forced power cuts in two other regions in the east. people in kyiv made their way to underground stations to shelter from the assault. russia's defence ministry claimed it attacked facilities that support ukraine's defence industry. further south, the black sea port of odesa experienced a city—wide power cut. and neigbouring poland says it's scrambled fighter jets. in a statement, warsaw confirmed that operations by polish and allied aircraft were under way.
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our correspondent paul adams joined us from dnipro. we had sirens in the early hours, and the latest information from the city was that two railway workers were killed, among five people killed across the country overnight, in what seems to have been the largest concerted russian drone and missile attack, certainly since early september. and it does seem as though the principal targets were once again ukraine's energy infrastructure. i was speaking to someone from one of the largest energy companies just a short time ago who said, it looks like they're starting again. in other words, as winter arrives and we have had the first snow here in the last few days, once again russia turns its attention to ukraine's energy infrastructure in an attempt
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to plunge this country into darkness during the most difficult months. so whether that is the beginning of such a campaign, we don't know. but it certainly looks that way. and from one end of the country to the other, we have had interruptions to power and a number of significant energy infrastructure targets hit, although we're not being told which ones. and paul, just to bring you up to date, the russian defence ministry is saying, and this is coming to us via the reuters news agency, that these energy infrastructure facilities, they're accusing them of supporting defence industry and military enterprises, which is why arguably they're saying that's why they targeted them. but arguably we're also hearing from russia's foreign minister saying that civilians were targeted, that people were sleeping in their beds, they were targeted. so an ongoing escalation of what is a conflict already at crisis point. yes. i mean, what keeps a country going? it's the energy generating facilities and that
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keeps people warm. and it also, of course, enables the country's industries, including their military industries, to keep functioning. so you attack the power infrastructure, you affect the entire country. and it is inevitable when these attacks are launched, that civilians do end up being caught in it, either by direct strikes from missiles and drones, or by fragments of both missiles and drones being intercepted overhead. none of this would be happening if russian attacks on ukraine's infrastructure were not happening. it is part of what one senses is an effort by both sides to try and maximise their positions ahead of what is widely anticipated to be some change in us policy once donald trump takes office early next year. we're seeing the russians gradually edging forward along the eastern front, and we're seeing the ukrainians clinging on to that tiny fragment of russian territory in the kursk region.
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everyone knows that the policy that the biden administration has pursued over the past few years could be about to change, and change quite dramatically. president zelensky himself said just the other night that the war could be over next year. there's a feeling that things are going to change. no—one quite knows how. paul adams whojoined paul adams who joined us earlier on paul adams whojoined us earlier on from the east of ukraine. we can go to warsaw now. professor katarzyna pisarska from the warsaw security forum. when it comes to what we are seeing, 120 missile strikes across ukraine from russia, 90 drone strikes. what's your reading into this escalation from russia?—
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reading into this escalation from russia? hello, it's great to be here- — from russia? hello, it's great to be here. first— from russia? hello, it's great to be here. first and - from russia? hello, it's great. to be here. first and foremost, ijust came back to be here. first and foremost, i just came back from to be here. first and foremost, ijust came back from ukraine after almost two weeks spent there for that i'm a regular to ukraine and i have to say that the situation in terms of air raids has really deteriorated. it's not only tonight. actually on an average in kyiv you have to go down two or three times to go down two or three times to shelter. and some of these strikes are strikes on critical infrastructure but the majority are actually on civilian objects. the thing is, what russia is trying to do in ukraine, it is trying to break the spirit of the ukrainians, it is trying to exhaust the ukrainians before the winter. and of course these strikes, we look here from poland and from warsaw with great worry. we, as you know, have had already four situations in which missiles from russia have hit polish territory, including one that flew over 400 kilometres into the central parts of poland. so
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we not only have to put our debts up every time this happens but we are also trying to find some kind of common nato response to start hitting these missiles also over, as we were asked by the ukrainians, ukrainian territory. so we are in a situation today where definitely much more has to be done together as an alliance nato. poland is ready to act but in order to act we need to have a number of green lights coming from the united states and other nato member states. professor, poland's operational commander of polish armed forces says poland has activated all available resources and has scrambled those jets. resources and has scrambled thosejets. tell us resources and has scrambled those jets. tell us a little more about how that works, not least given that poland is, as you mention, a nato member. 50 you mention, a nato member. so of you mention, a nato member. sr of course we have a large monitoring mission of our airspace but so far we have not
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been shooting these missiles down. as you know, we have been speaking the entire year with president zelensky�*s administration, talking about different ideas, how we can aid the situation and at least partly protect at least western parts of ukrainian territory. that would of course involved using our batteries and missile defence systems. and when russian missiles are approaching polish territory we would want to shoot them down if possible. the second thing we are trying to do to help the ukrainians is actually to send almost probably 14 mig jets that we have but these migs today are protecting polish skies. we can only send them to ukraine if we have some
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security guarantees from nato member states that they in turn will protect our skies if these migs are actually transferred to ukraine. you can see there is a lot of goodwill here to change the situation in ukraine. i have personally been advocating for protecting ukrainian sky since the beginning of the invasion and i think this is truly critical. the russians have a free hand in bombing every single day cities, civilians, and we are doing definitely not enough, providing ukraine with a limited amount of air missile defence, patriot batteries, iris batteries, it's not enough. we should definitely be looking at other options. but as you see, we are not all there and i feel with the change in the united states, the situation will only worsen. professor, chair of the warsaw security forum, thank you for your time. and we do have a live page on
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those missiles landing in ukraine on our website. here in the uk, the government has announced it will deliver a £1 billion boost to buses nationwide to deliver a london—style system, but it could also mean a rise in single fare prices outside of the capital. with more on that, our political correspondent, damian grammaticas. this is a big investment in transport and a bit of a shift. london has always had a very integrated and reasonably well functioning system compared to other parts of the country. what the government says is that it what the government says is thatitis what the government says is that it is shifting and putting money in to the rest of the country, £1 billion into bus services. so that they can be improved right across the country. transport secretary louise haigh was on the sunday talk shows this morning and she explained how that's going to work and how they will target it. , , . . ., , it. this settlement crucially is a record _ it. this settlement crucially is a record level _ it. this settlement crucially is a record level of - is a record level of investment, particularly for rural— investment, particularly for rural areas, investment, particularly for ruralareas, places investment, particularly for rural areas, places like devon, kent _ rural areas, places like devon, kent and — rural areas, places like devon, kent and essex that have very little — kent and essex that have very little under the previous government because of the way they designed their funding settlements. they pitted areas
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against — settlements. they pitted areas against each other, insisted on competition, and they rewarded those _ competition, and they rewarded those areas who frankly invested in the best beat writers _ invested in the best beat writers rather than based on need — writers rather than based on need we _ writers rather than based on need. we have designed a formula _ need. we have designed a formula that allocates funding based — formula that allocates funding based on need, deprivation and bus mileage in the area so we can truly— bus mileage in the area so we can truly improve bus services for every— can truly improve bus services for every corner of the countrx _ for every corner of the country-— for every corner of the count . ., ., ,., country. now at the same time what is also — country. now at the same time what is also happening - country. now at the same time what is also happening is - country. now at the same time what is also happening is that i what is also happening is that the fair is that you pay outside london are going up. so people will see increases in that. the government says that what it is looking at is a system from next year on, she said this morning, where in a year's time almost, where perhaps younger people might get discounts but those fares could rise further. 50 get discounts but those fares could rise further. so another issue doing — could rise further. so another issue doing the _ could rise further. so another issue doing the rounds - could rise further. so another issue doing the rounds on - could rise further. so anotherj issue doing the rounds on the sunday morning politics shows was social care. what have we heard? , , . , , was social care. what have we heard? , , ., ,, ., heard? this is a huge issue and has been for — heard? this is a huge issue and has been for a _ heard? this is a huge issue and has been for a very _ heard? this is a huge issue and has been for a very long - heard? this is a huge issue and has been for a very long time. | has been for a very long time. what you do about elderly people needing care either in their homes or in a care setting so in a proper care home. how that is funded. past
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governments have grappled with this, the current government is grappling with it. the issue there is that they haven't yet decided how to go ahead. there are huge costs involved. some talk about difficulties that the government have to decide, do they go with some huge, big royal commission consultation? liberal democrat leader sir ed davey made a big pitch, this was central to his pitch in the election, they did very well there and he was expressing his view this morning about the way forward and this is what he said. ., ., , said. the government does need to talk cross-party, _ said. the government does need to talk cross-party, we - said. the government does need to talk cross-party, we are - to talk cross—party, we are willing _ to talk cross—party, we are willing and ready to go into those — willing and ready to go into those negotiations. we said that— those negotiations. we said that in— those negotiations. we said that in the general election. i think— that in the general election. i think there are things they need — think there are things they need to— think there are things they need to do straightaway that are actually obvious. louise haigh— are actually obvious. louise haighjust then was are actually obvious. louise haigh just then was talking about— haigh just then was talking about a _ haigh just then was talking about a part of them, which is sorting — about a part of them, which is sorting out— about a part of them, which is sorting out the vacancies, because _ sorting out the vacancies, because whatever the long term solution — because whatever the long term solution is, we will need more carers — solution is, we will need more carers i— solution is, we will need more carers. i think they need to be more — carers. i think they need to be more ambitious about that. we talked —
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more ambitious about that. we talked about a minimum wage for carers _ talked about a minimum wage for carers for— talked about a minimum wage for carers for example. we need to professionalise this, give it a real— professionalise this, give it a real status because it is so criticat _ real status because it is so critical. there are things they need — critical. there are things they need to— critical. there are things they need to do right up front, now, but let's— need to do right up front, now, but let's get round the table and let _ but let's get round the table and let all parties come and talk — and let all parties come and talk. ~ ., ., ~' and let all parties come and talk. ~ ., .,~ ., talk. would it make a difference _ talk. would it make a difference to - talk. would it make a difference to you - talk. would it make a - difference to you whether it has the _ difference to you whether it has the badge _ difference to you whether it has the badge of _ difference to you whether it has the badge of being - difference to you whether it has the badge of being a i difference to you whether it. has the badge of being a royal commission— has the badge of being a royal commission or— has the badge of being a royal commission or whether- has the badge of being a royal commission or whether it - has the badge of being a royal commission or whether it is i has the badge of being a royal commission or whether it is an independent _ commission or whether it is an independent review? - commission or whether it is an independent review? i- commission or whether it is an| independent review? i wonder, have _ independent review? i wonder, have you — independent review? i wonder, have you had _ independent review? i wonder, have you had a _ independent review? i wonder, have you had a call _ independent review? i wonder, have you had a call yet - independent review? i wonder, have you had a call yet from i have you had a call yet from wes — have you had a call yet from wes streeting _ have you had a call yet from wes streeting to _ have you had a call yet from wes streeting to get - have you had a call yet from wes streeting to get round i have you had a call yet from i wes streeting to get round the table? — wes streeting to get round the table? ., ., �* ., ., table? no, we haven't had a call, table? no, we haven't had a call. laura- _ table? no, we haven't had a call, laura. the _ table? no, we haven't had a call, laura. the cross-party| call, laura. the cross—party talks— call, laura. the cross—party tatks can _ call, laura. the cross—party talks can take many forms. my only— talks can take many forms. my only concern about a royal commission, we would back it, but we — commission, we would back it, but we need immediate measures first and _ but we need immediate measures first and it — but we need immediate measures first and it mustn't be an excuse _ first and it mustn't be an excuse for long grassing this. it excuse for long grassing this. it needs— excuse for long grassing this. it needs to happen, even long—term reforms could happen more _ long—term reforms could happen more quickly. for this reason there — more quickly. for this reason there are _ more quickly. for this reason there are immediate things to be done — there are immediate things to be done that i think are no—brainers but it is still urgent _ no—brainers but it is still urgent to fix it. you can't have _ urgent to fix it. you can't have a _ urgent to fix it. you can't have a ten year plan for the nhs — have a ten year plan for the nhs unless you have a real serious _ nhs unless you have a real serious plan for social care. and — serious plan for social care. and it's _ serious plan for social care. and it's worth saying the government agrees. transport
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secretary louise haigh says it's urgent it needs to be fixed but they are also tackling some of those issues for the top he set about putting money into or trying to raise the pay that carers get. social care is obviously a very personal subject for sir ed davey, the leader of the liberal democrats. he is also very vocal about assisted dying, the bill that is going through, orwill dying, the bill that is going through, or will be going through, or will be going through the commons. they have been talking about that as well. , ., , well. the question is, will it no well. the question is, will it go through _ well. the question is, will it go through the _ well. the question is, will it go through the commons i well. the question is, will it - go through the commons because the commons has mps who will have a vote on this for the first time in about a decade. that vote coming at the end of november, as their first attempt november, as theirfirst attempt to november, as their first attempt to try to november, as theirfirst attempt to try to consider this. should they 15
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