officials in gaza say an israeli strike on a residential of a car in east london at least 46 people. as harshita brella from northamptonshire. the east midlands special operations major crime unit say china's president has bid they believe she was attacked farewell tojoe biden by someone known to her. xijinping has pledged to work with the incoming now on bbc news, between the two countries is critical. path to the presidency. police name a woman found dead in the boot from northamptonshire. hello and welcome to the east midlands special the path to the presidency. operations major crime unit say they believe she was attacked well, we know who the next president will be now — donald trump. but we're going to be here charting his path to the presidency onjanuary 20th for a little bit longer. by someone known to her. and all that happens between now and then. we'rejoined by our colleague brian de guzman today, who has dashed fresh from the white house into studio. what is the mood like hello and welcome to at the white house? the path to the presidency. i mean, we're transitioning well, we know who the next

donald trump in whilejoe biden 00:01:01,798 --> 4294966103:13:29,429 is transitioning out. president will be now — donald trump. but we're going to be here charting his path to the presidency onjanuary 20th for a little bit longer. and all that happens between now and then. we'rejoined by our colleague brian de guzman today, who has dashed fresh from the white house into studio. what is the mood like at the white house? i mean, we're transitioning donald trump in whilejoe biden is transitioning out. well, yesterday, when the two men had their meeting, which was the first time the two men have been in the same room since that debate, which arguably kind of led to biden withdrawing his candidacy. it was...it was busier than i've ever seen it. it was probably 150 reporters there, which, you know, even on days where things have been very, very busy, for example, when there's been escalations in terms of the middle east, it's been nowhere near that busy. i was speaking to some reporters that have been doing this for 20 or 30 years, and they said there's just nothing. they hadn't seen anything like that again, because they think it's kind of indicative of the amount of interest — not

only here but around the world in terms of donald trump making what no matter what anyone else says about him, it's kind of a remarkable political comeback, given all the issues that he's had, all the controversy over the last four years, that he's back very much

position in the future, it's still a kind of a remarkable moment in us history. it's a nervy moment for a lot of people, i think, in federal agencies and in the administration wondering where their nextjobs will be. where their nextjobs will be. but i was really looking at the but i was really looking at the body language betweenjoe biden body language betweenjoe biden and donald trump. and donald trump. ifound it so interesting. ifound it so interesting. of course, you know, of course, you know, a lot talked about that a lot talked about that roaring fire between them roaring fire between them that was like crackling that was like crackling and making so much noise. and making so much noise. it was a cold day. it was a cold day. it looked divine. it looked divine. you could feel the heat you could feel the heat coming out of the screen. coming out of the screen. it was so hot chocolate it was so hot chocolate there or something. there or something. but, you know, it was very but, you know, it was very cordial, very friendly. cordial, very friendly. and joe biden in points, and joe biden in points, you know, had this you know, had this big grin on his face. big grin on his face. and afterwards we saw the images that were released, the photos as well. and the former and future and the former and future first lady melania first lady melania trump did not attend trump did not attend for a scheduling reason, for a scheduling reason, from what we understand from what we understand from her team. from her team. but you had these pictures then but you had these pictures then

of donald trump, joe biden of donald trump, joe biden andjill biden, doctor jill biden, the current andjill biden, doctor jill biden, the current first lady and, you know, first lady and, you know, all smiles and different all smiles and different poses in the white house. poses in the white house. for all of the talk for all of the talk of what we saw on the campaign of what we saw on the campaign trail whenjoe biden was facing trail whenjoe biden was facing off against donald trump. off against donald trump. and up until election and up until election day, ijust thought day, ijust thought that was such a stark that was such a stark contrast to the smiles contrast to the smiles and the relatively affable and the relatively affable environment that we saw environment that we saw at the white house. at the white house. i mean, both men are pledging a peaceful transition of power, so they have to walk the walk and talk the talk, don't they? i mean, their meeting went on for nearly two hours or something. and, i mean, we didn't get a tremendous readout of what they of what they discussed. state secrets aside. the white house was pretty clear in that their view is quite a substantive discussion, which i think, you know, frankly, _ a lot of the american public probably had questions about what that meeting was going to be like, given what they've both said about each other in the last year or so. and i think also on biden's part, it's kind of, you know, he wants things to return to a certain sense of normalcy. that was the case in the past,

you know, in 2020. that meeting didn't happen. donald trump wanted no part of it. so i think perhaps it's almost kind of a legacy thing that biden wants to return a certain sense of civility to the to the whole campaign and transition process that kind of skipped an election last time.

i think in other circumstances, it would have been a much bigger deal that he's going to go meet, and he'll see xi jinping in peru. it went very quietly, frankly. i mean, there was kind ofjust happened. i think it's really interesting that he's going to meet president xi of china on that trip, because if we see the appointments that donald trump has made so far or the nominations, many of them still have to be senate confirmed, particularly marco rubio, the florida senator who's been tapped as secretary of state, takes a very hard line against china, as does donald trump. and first time round in trump's national defence strategy, they named interstate competition, specifically

china, as kind of the biggest national security threat to the us. security threat to the us. and we've seen him and we've seen him on the campaign trail as well. on the campaign trail as well. take a really hard take a really hard line with china. line with china. so i think it's so i think it's really interesting. really interesting. i mean, this meeting i mean, this meeting with president xi was only with president xi was only added, ithink, maybe added, ithink, maybe on wednesday of this week on wednesday of this week or at least was made or at least was made public at that point. public at that point. so, you know, what isjoe biden so, you know, what isjoe biden going to be saying to him going to be saying to him as the outgoing president? as the outgoing president? in many ways, a lame duck president. in many ways, a lame duck president. how much attention is president how much attention is president xi going to pay to anything xi going to pay to anything that he says? that he says? i mean, to your point, i mean, to your point, he was asked or the white he was asked or the white house press secretary house press secretary was asked this why is was asked this why is president biden holding president biden holding a meeting a meeting with xi jinping when obviously with xi jinping when obviously he's the outgoing president? he's the outgoing president? donald trump is coming in. here on the programmes donald trump is coming in. and i was at apec the previous and i was at apec the previous year when president year when president biden and xijinping biden and xijinping met there as well. met there as well. and of course, to much fanfare. and of course, to much fanfare. and there was a lot of talk and there was a lot of talk about some of the common ground about some of the common ground that they could strike. that they could strike. and the images of them walking in a garden together obviously made international news.

you know, they talked about kerbing fentanyl ingredients and climate change agreements. you know, i actually haven't really followed up on where some of those agenda items actually landed. but i'm sure if you look at where things actually stand in the current biden administration, they kept the trump tariffs on china, right. and we were speaking

he spent so much of his career committed to the middle east, committed to israel. you know, we saw the kind of... it wasn't quite an ultimatum, but the the threat, if you want to use that word that was issued to prime minister netanyahu by the secretaries of state and defence a month ago, saying if they didn't meet that deadline this week to improve humanitarian situation in gaza, that there would be conditions attached to the aid, and then you see the us state department coming out and saying, "oh, no, it's fine.

"israel is making progress," which has been disputed by all of the ngos in the area. i mean, we've spoken to many of them on our programmes here. and, you know, the perceived wisdom from experts in this field at this point is that the deal will not be done now that joe biden is the officially the outgoing president, the democrats are the outgoing administration and that there won't i mean, notwithstanding a miracle. and everyone hopes forthat, right. but that there won't be a return of hostages or an improvement in that situation. so i think that will be something that he personally will be disappointed about. i do think, i wonder at the end of his presidency, usually, you know, there'll be kind of an outgoing news conference. i imagine someone will ask him, what do you think was the low point or the, you know, a failing of your presidency? and i'd be surprised if that wasn't it, because, i mean, he did deal with a lot of factors outside of us control. but, i mean, us aid to israel is something that the government could have controlled, and it left many people unhappy. i think we saw that

in the election. even in michigan, for example, there was so much dissatisfaction with how he handled it. and i mean, at the end of the day, over more than a year now, there was very little movement in the direction they repeatedly said they wanted to go. i wonder if that's, you know, perhaps will ultimately be seen as kind of a stain on his legacy by people within his own administration. well, and things are moving so quickly now with these appointments, as you said, if we look at who donald trump plans to appoint as the ambassador to israel, former governor of arkansas, governor huckabee. and if we look at the appointment for ambassador to the united nations, elise stefanik, congresswoman, these are two staunch supporters of israel. and it gives us a sense of where this policy could be going from the next trump administration. yeah. and i think in a way, that's kind of the trump administration fulfilling its promises. i mean, trump was very clear that he's a very, very pro staunch israel supporter on the campaign trail. and i think, as is the case with some of his other appointments so far, you know, by appointing those people, he's kind of living up to what he promised his supporters in terms

of israel going forward. i don't think, you know, many of the people within the trump camp would be surprised by those particular appointments, for example. and for me, with trump in 2016 being elected in those four years, he actually delivered on a lot of things he promised on the campaign trail during that administration. and from what we're seeing now in the nominations, he looks set to do the same, doesn't he? i mean, in those nominations. but also if we talk about immigration, which, you know, is kind of his signature campaign pledge in many ways, wasn't it? there's mass deportations and to be starting on it on day one. and you've obviously covered a lot on this, but appointing... i mean, he's calling him an immigration tsar. tom homan, he doesn't have a more official title than that. but i mean, that's someone who's worked in law enforcement under, i think, six presidents or something. very, very familiar with border patrol and law enforcement. he's very much kind of a hardliner of the kind that, you know, he's he's been very vocal about pushing the sort of policies that trump, you know, over, over the whole

campaign, almost every rally i went to. trump made the same promises in terms of mass deportations and stuff. and homan is very much the person he sees as kind of the enforcer of those. i mean, and and also kristi noem as head of homeland security, which is, you know, a very broad position, but also has responsibility over customs and immigration to a certain extent. what has homan actually said, though, about how he plans to implement this? this is something we've asked quite a few guests who have, come on, you know, who are surrogates for donald trump. you know how they envision actually implementing such a mass deportation plan, which is quite difficult financially and logistically. what is homan saying about this? well, i think they're aware that, i mean, deporting millions of people isn't, like you said, really difficult logistically and financially. it'd be enormously expensive. so, i mean, what he said is that, you know, initially they'll focus on people they see as public safety threats and national security threats. but, you know, that's quite a small pool of people. so if they really want

to live up to their promises of deporting more people, i think ultimately, and he's also said, you know, ultimately they'll have to look at workplace... he doesn't use the term raids, but enforcement operations, which was a feature of the previous trump administration. very unpopular. biden did away with it almost immediately when he was president because it was so unpopular. that's probably kind of the next step. and i think homan has started alluding to that fact that you know, we'll start to see a return to that. for me, the thing that we haven't seen in the detail of this and, you know, aware that it's only been a week or so since donald trump was re—elected again, but the logistics of mass deportations, that's the part that we have really no information on. i mean, if you're talking millions of people, first of all, you have to find them, right? which is difficult because by their very nature, they don't have paperwork and they, you know, live, as some would say, in the shadows. some cities have said they wouldn't cooperate with local police. exactly. either those who do

have driver's licences and, you know, in the sanctuary cities and so on. so how do you find people and then how do you extricate them from the lives that they have and the children that they have, and particularly people are here for decades and decades and decades, and then how do you physically send them to other countries? i mean, who's paying for those flights or buses? yeah. i mean, you know... there's a cost to all of that. trump is, ithink, he's aware of that cost. he said, you know, it's going to be expensive. but as far as he sees, there's no cost too high for this. but i think, you know, for example, family deportations, that's another thing homan has been very hard line about recently. he said, you know, he was asked how would you deal with, let's say a child is a us citizen and the mother is not. well, you deport them together. i mean, he was very clear about his view on that. and, you know, but there are still a lot of questions. for example, there's nowhere as things stand even now, there's nowhere near the detention facilities you would need to house a bunch of people. a lot of countries,

for example, venezuela, nicaragua, cuba. there might be less than cooperative in terms of taking people back. yeah. and if you haven't lived there for decades as well, that's even harder, isn't it? you know. it is. i mean, even now, i wasjust actually on the phone with a dreamer who's, you know, at the moment protected from deportation because they came as a child. but in theory, i mean, they're worried that if this happens and their status is revoked and ultimately they're deported, they'll be going back to a country they've not been in 35 years. this is a 37—year—old person. so i think that's, you know, kind of high on the mind of a lot of these people. i know you did a lot of reporting on the latino vote in the election as well. and ifound it so interesting in the aftermath and some of the numbers that were combing through to see how people voted. and we did see this shift, particularly among latino men, but in general, in the latino vote towards republicans, towards donald trump, despite the announcement that there would be this mass deportation. i mean, what is the sense you're getting from undocumented people

in that community? because i know you've been speaking with them as well. well, it was a lot more, frankly, a lot more nuanced than i expected it to be. i've had quite a few that told me that, for example, they don't think they will be deported because they're not criminals. they're law abiding, taxpaying citizens whose only crime in their eyes was crossing the border without checking in at some point or without doing the visa process. so there's a lot of that, and some of them are, quite frankly, kind of, as i think we saw with the broader latino vote, kind of excited by the prospect, maybe the economy gets better, maybe there's more work for them, but others are really quite terrified. i mean, they're terrified that that's how it starts. but, you know, if trump wants to deport a million people or 2 million people, uh, you know, eventually they have to move beyond criminals to, you know, work... i mean, there's a lot of fearof being kind of a collateral... of being collateral damage in sort of those sorts of enforcement operations, which is something even the trump

last term, they used the term, you know, collateral enforcement to a certain extent. people get caught up in sweeps. and we also saw under the last trump administration and withjohn homan, family separations, didn't we, where children were separated. now, donald trump did put a stop to that in 2018 with an executive action. and then whenjoe biden came into office, he fully reversed that policy. but i was checking some of the numbers a bit earlier and the most recent statistics from the department of homeland security, which do come from march of this year, found that there were 1360 children who had been separated, still — are still separated from theirfamilies, you know, kind of four, six, eight years later, and some of whom theyjust have no contact information for the families. so will never be kind of reunified. i mean, i think the fact that donald trump stopped that the last time around, we probably won't see that. but it's just another thing when you're speaking about concern and communities.

and i mean, ithink it also kind of shows the fact that how difficult it is to track these people and these families that are in many cases, completely off the grid. i mean, and once someone is deported, if you want to reunite that person with someone who's still in the states, that's almost impossible in a lot of these people might be in rural central america, for example. it would be very hard for someone in the states to kind of bring those families back together. i also want to ask you guys about the department of government efficiency and the appointments that we saw there of elon musk. doge. exactly. aptly named doge — elon musk and vivek ramaswamy. and of course, this isn't actually a government agency. we should say. it's kind of like an advisory body, as i understand it. but i mean, we are hearing elon musk talk about cutting down the number of federal agencies down to 99, i think, he said recently on social media. i mean, do we have a sense or do either of you have a sense of how they would go about actually not only cutting the numbers of federal employees, but also entire agencies? i'm just wondering, you know,

how they're going to go about doing it. i mean, on one hand, you canjust do it like, you canjust stop the funding and and shut things down. but it's the practicalities of how you unwind that and all the people who are employed. i mean, this city will be... here in washington will be transformed dramatically if these agencies are closed and federal workers are, you know, laid off and huge, huge numbers. and this concept of, you know, elon musk has posted the other day on x saying he'd put some of these suggestions up on x, what they were targeting, and take feedback. in the comments, essentially. yeah, i mean, that's remarkable. like, a whole new way of of doing business. you know, and we're speaking here... we're recording this on thursday evening in washington, dc and us eastern time, and these names are still trickling out. and the latest one, we haven't heard it at the point of speaking from donald trump's mouth directly, but it does seem like rfk jr will be tapped for the health

department, which is something he had asked for for months, hadn't he? i mean, that's been in the realm since he gave up his own campaign and agreed to endorse donald trump. even though trump has said on the campaign trail he doesn't fully agree with certain things that rfk jr stands for. so it's going to be really interesting to see if he is appointed to that. like, what parts of his own platform go in and what parts of the trump platform go into his mandate if that's confirmed? you know, no matter what he does, the fact is it'll still be deeply, deeply unpopular with a huge swath of the population that didn't resonate much with him on the campaign trail, and is now going to have him in a cabinet position, if that's confirmed. he talked about taking fluoride out of water. he's obviously a vaccine sceptic as well, which is one of the issues that has caused some concern. and this all raises the question, of course, of whether he can get confirmed. and we've been talking really over several days now as these appointments keep coming out. can some of these nominations

actually get confirmed in the senate? and, you know, we were talking just before this, even if some republican senators have expressed concern over people like congressman matt gaetz to be the attorney general, or pete hegseth of fox news host, to be defence secretary, or robert f kenneder, to be the head of health and human services. will they get the support that they need in the senate? i mean, there is the possibility that donald trump could go around them with recess appointments. but we've heard these rumblings on x and social media that there are a number of republican senators that they wouldn't vote for him at the end of the day, would they would they cross donald trump and not vote for his specific picks for cabinet positions? it's kind of the million dollar question. i thought you might know. if we knew the answer to that, we'd be very rich people. ithink, i mean, i think some will see more resistance than others. i mean, matt gaetz comes to mind. i think people were a little more outspoken about him. but i mean, broadly speaking, ithink, you know, lawmakers,

you know, they're kind of on the same page. i mean, from what i can tell, some of them are very keen on, even if they don't necessarily agree with the picks, they're very keen on pushing these people through as quickly as possible and getting to work on that agenda that he and the republican party promised voters. i think we'll see some horse trading, which is par for the course. and these things where somebody maybe has an objection to one nominee, another colleague has an objection to the other nominee. and it's kind of, well, i'll vote for your guy if you vote for my guy sort of thing. and ultimately, for republicans, regardless of what they think of donald trump, he has delivered tremendous electoral success. i mean, absolutely tremendous victory for the republican party. and if you're a republican, if you're a conservative, you're facing into this very attractive prospect where they have now the house, they have the senate, and they have the white house. so it's a majority. in the supreme court, conservative majority. you know, it's a great opportunity for republicans of any particular persuasion to get their legislative agenda through, to get the things that

they've promised their voters through, and to do that as quickly as possible before... i mean, as we know, the electoral process in this country is so long and so long compared to my part of the world anyway. but, you know, before they all have to start thinking about re—election again, right? so they have a few months really where they can get to work. and i think it's probably in all of their interests ultimately to do that quickly. isn't it? in some ways, it's kind of kind of a once in a lifetime opportunity for a lot of these people. i mean, and the time frame, i mean, they have two years until the midterms too. so, i mean, if they want to do things quickly, i mean, now is kind of the time because the clock starts ticking onjanuary 20th until the midterms and then in the midterms, who knows what happens? so i think you'll see, especially now that there's a majority in both houses of congress. you'll see people try to push things as quickly and as hard as possible from day one. yeah. and as a footnote to all of this, we can say now that

donald trump has put on truth social that he's thrilled to announce robert f kenneder as the secretary of health and human services. so there you go. there you go. we were ahead of it. well, on that note, we'll have to bring our chat to a close for today. great chatting as always. we'll be here again next week and every week on the path to the presidency until donald trump is on those steps. swearing in on the 20th of january. hello there. up until this weekend it had been a very mild november but all that is changing now. through the week ahead it will be feeling much, much colder. we have the risk of some snow and some icy conditions and the frost overnight will be turning more widespread. temperatures this afternoon not quite as high as they were yesterday.

still making double figures perhaps in the far south but it is much colder in scotland. through this evening and overnight we will find more snow falling over the hills in the north of the country. there is some rain around elsewhere but that rain is going to sink southwards overnight allowing the clearer skies to follow from the north. and monday morning could start frosty in northern england, northern ireland and particularly scotland, temperatures could be as low as —8 degrees here, the coldest night of the autumn so far. but these areas will start bright and sunny in the morning. there will be fewer wintry showers in northern scotland tomorrow. but for many other areas cloud will increase through the day, we will see rain coming in from the atlantic and turning particularly wet through the day across northern ireland. that wetter weather is running into the cold air, temperatures in the midlands only 6 degrees. the last of the mild air is clinging to the far south—west but it's cold air that we've got elsewhere. and along the boundary between those two different air masses you find a weather front. not only that, a deepening area of low pressure which is bringing wetter weather in from the west. and that rain could be turning to sleet and snow during monday

evening in northern ireland. but the greater risk of snow is going to be in the far south of scotland, into northern england, with the higher falls over the hills. there is the risk of some snow to lower levels as well, which could be a bit more disruptive. that snow will continue into monday morning, leaving behind icy conditions and into parts of wales. could be a mixture of rain, sleet and snow moving down into the midlands and some other eastern parts of england around that area of low pressure, which is also bringing windy conditions in the morning in through the english channel. as the low moves away, though, we are left with a northerly wind, more wintry showers for northern scotland, down the eastern side of england, where the winds are really picking up through tuesday afternoon. a significant wind chill, it really will feel cold out there as the day progresses. and it will get colder overnight on tuesday night because that northerly wind will feed cold air down across the whole of the country. so by the time we get to wednesday morning we've got a widespread frost and the first frost of the week in southern parts of the uk.

live from london. this is bbc news. at least 10 people have been killed as russia hits ukraine's power infrastructure. president zylensky says his country was targeted by more than 200 drones and missiles. officials in northern gaza say the latest israeli airstrikes have killed

at least 46 people. the deadliest strike was on a residential building in beit lahiya. police name a woman found dead in the boot of a car in east london as harshita brella from northamptonshire. and china's president xi holds his final meeting withjoe biden and pledges to work with incoming us president donald trump. hello, welcome to this hour. russia has launched a massive attack on ukraine's energy infrastructure — the worst in months. with drones and missiles targeting several regions across the country. in kyiv, people sought refuge in underground train stations, as air strikes hit the capital and caused power cuts. there were blackouts in the central region of dnipropetrovsk, where attacks on railways and rail depots killed two rail workers and injured three.

air strikes also cut power in the eastern region of donetsk — and to the west, in the region of lviv, a woman was killed. in mykolaiv, in southern ukraine, two women were killed by drone strikes. six were injured, including two children. the port city of odesa was also targeted — and power cuts were imposed in the wider region. and strikes also hit the vinnytsia and volyn regions with explosions were also heard in these locations,