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doubles since the start of covid and glasses, jugs, ideas for sketches, the british comedy legend eric morecambe�*s lifetime of showbiz memorabilia is up for auction. hello and welcome to bbc news. leaders of the world's 20 most powerful nations have gathered in brazil for a summit — set to be dominated by the conficts in ukraine and the middle east, and the imminent return to the white house of donald trump. this is the scene live in rio dejaneiro, where brazil's president has welcomed the us and chinese presidents — along with the leaders of britain, australia, france, germany, india, japan, saudi arabia and other countries. joe biden�*s decision to give kyiv the green light to use us long—range missiles, to strike inside russia. it means ukraine can now use army tactical missile systems to defend its forces in russia's kursk region,
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on ukraine's north—east border. washington had previously refused to agree to the request — fearing it would escalate the war. let's start with this report in rio. another night, another round of russian air strikes on ukraine. in sumi, 11 people were killed including two children. many more were injured. a relentless bombardment in a war that's almost 1,000 days old. but now perhaps a chance for ukraine to fight back in a new way, with permission to use these american long—range missiles known as atacms against targets in russia. translation: strikes i are not made with words. such things are not announced. the missiles will speak for themselves, definitely. the us decision means britain and france may now allow ukraine to use their own storm shadow missiles
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and also long—range, also able to hit deep into russia, although there is no confirmation yet. all this means that the world leaders arriving in brazil for the 6205 summit, the war in ukraine will once again figure highly in their discussions. all eyes will be on russia's foreign minister, sergei lavrov, here in place of president putin who is facing arrest by an international court for alleged war crimes in ukraine. president biden here visiting brazil's rainforests long resisted allowing kyiv to use us missiles in russia, fearing escalation. but he's changed his mind, perhaps aware of what his successor plans. for donald trump may not be here in brazil but he wants the war in ukraine to end soon and his presence hangs heavy over the summit as the world prepares for his presidency. that uncertainty is one reason
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why sir keir starmer met president xi of china, the first british prime minister to do so for more than six years, seeking what he called a sensible and pragmatic relationship to boost trade and the economy at home. the international community isn't something of a holding pattern, until donald trump takes office. so this summit is a chance for world leaders to compare notes and prepare for whatever is coming their way injanuary. they face a tough choice, do theyjust accept mr trump's agenda or try to set one of their own? president lula of brazil once his summit to discuss global poverty and climate finance and reform of international institutions. but once again the focus will be on ukraine, the middle east and, yes, donald trump. james landale, bbc news, in rio dejaneiro. moscow has quickly condemned the move — the kremlin describing the decision as adding fuel
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to the fire of the conflict. 0ur russia editor, steve rosenberg, is in moscow. well, most russians know the sort of the picture, the story that is told by state television. and it's a very different picture, a very different story to the one that is told in the west. remember, there is this sort of parallel reality going on here. russians are told that their army are liberators. russia is a victim, not the aggressor in this war. russians are told that the west is waging a war against russia on the territory of ukraine. and at the moment, russians are being told that the war is going russia's way. and you can see the growing confidence, i think, with vladimir putin, he seems to be emboldened at the moment. he's emboldened by recent military success on the battlefield in eastern ukraine. things seem to be going his way there. i think he's been emboldened by the result of the us presidential election.
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now, in a couple of months�* time, donald trump will be returning to the white house. someone who has publicly expressed scepticism about continuing us military assistance for kyiv. for those reasons alone, i think he's been quite confident. it will be interesting to see how he reacts now tojoe biden�*s decision to allow ukraine to use us—supplied long—range missiles against russia, because he knows that donald trump, in a couple of months, will be in the white house, and i wonder whether he'll factor that in when he tries to work out his response now. let me bring you the latest from the summit in brazil from joe biden, who has said we have to work to end the complex eroding progress to improve security. 0n ukraine, he said the us strongly support ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. everyone
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in the table in my view should as well. those are the latest comments from joe biden from the 620. let's speak to shasahank joshi, defence editor at the economist. thank you for being on the programme. what is your assessment of this change to american policy in terms of how their missiles are use? it is american policy in terms of how their missiles are use?- their missiles are use? it is a really consequential - their missiles are use? it is a really consequential change i really consequential change because ukraine has had the launch is capable of firing for over two years. it is hard then that over one year, and yet it has taken this long, the final days ofjoe biden�*s day, for it to be changed. 0ne, days ofjoe biden�*s day, for it to be changed. one, this appears to be about north korea sending messages to troops, and the second important thing is that this will shape the way that this will shape the way that ukraine goes into negotiations with russia next year, if that is what donald trump chooses to do. it will strengthen ukraine's hand in
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any talks that do unfold after january the 20th. i any talks that do unfold after january the 20th.— january the 20th. i will come back to that _ january the 20th. i will come back to that in _ january the 20th. i will come back to that in a _ january the 20th. i will come back to that in a moment, i january the 20th. i will come | back to that in a moment, but how much does it change things on the battlefield? it how much does it change things on the battlefield?— on the battlefield? it depends on the battlefield? it depends on which bitumen. _ on the battlefield? it depends on which bitumen. it - on the battlefield? it depends on which bitumen. it changes| on which bitumen. it changes not at all on the front lines in the next days and weeks because this has not been the purpose of the weapons, striking deep high in the front lines at command post, depots, railway herbs, logistics site, all those important things. it is not as if it was rusher�*s advances or give ukraine the ability to go back on the front foot. what it does do is any war of attrition, where relative rate of attrition are so important, perhaps the most important thing, if it is used correctly it will breakdown russia's stockpiles of our munitions, make it harderfor them to command the forces, break up north korean forces and attack some of russia's
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helicopters and aircraft at airfields within range. all of it won't reverse butterfield fortunes for ukraine, but it will steadily improve their hand going into next year —— battlefield. hand going into next year -- battlefield.— battlefield. there also talk the russians _ battlefield. there also talk the russians are _ battlefield. there also talk the russians are due - battlefield. there also talk the russians are due to i battlefield. there also talk - the russians are due to launch an offensive to take back the territory they lost. how important will it be in terms of repelling that? i important will it be in terms of repelling that?— important will it be in terms of repelling that? i think very important — of repelling that? i think very important. it _ of repelling that? i think very important. it seems - of repelling that? i think very important. it seems to - of repelling that? i think very important. it seems to be - of repelling that? i think very| important. it seems to be the principal reason joe important. it seems to be the principal reasonjoe biden has changed his mind authorised the use of atacams, to slow down russia's counteroffensive and to show north korea if they commit more troops forward, it will be extremely bloody and difficult. north korea has provided 10,000 troops so far. the big concern among western officials as it becomes a steady supply, which would make life difficult for ukraine. if
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they can be used to blunt those offensives, that could have a disproportionate impact on north korea. that will be the hope. north korea. that will be the ho e. . north korea. that will be the hoe. . ~ ., ., , north korea. that will be the hoe. ., ~ ., ., , hope. can ukrainians offer these systems _ hope. can ukrainians offer these systems on - hope. can ukrainians offer these systems on their - hope. can ukrainians offer. these systems on their own, hope. can ukrainians offer- these systems on their own, or do they need western support to do they need western support to do that. in terms of a similar decision from uk and france, do you expected to be imminent? i do expect france on the uk to follow suit, although we may not get formal announcement. as for as the announcement of the weapons, the details are secretive, but i understand while ukraine could theoretically fire the systems into russia, if they want to be confident of hitting something, particularly the high—priority targets you want to hit with these systems and very scarce, you need a degree of western involvement with intelligence,
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with a mission support, and so in practice the answer is yes, ukraine does need assistance in using these systems.— ukraine does need assistance in using these systems. going back to the point _ using these systems. going back to the point earlier _ using these systems. going back to the point earlier and - to the point earlier and looking ahead to incoming donald trump presidency, we know what he said about the war and his son was saying similar things about perhaps another step towards a third world war with this move from joe biden. do you think in a sense it gives leveraged to donald trump with moscow? we know the pressure he will put on president zelensky, but does it give him more leveraged on the other side? give him more leveraged on the otherside? it give him more leveraged on the other side?— other side? it should do if he rives it other side? it should do if he gives it properly. _ other side? it should do if he gives it properly. if— other side? it should do if he gives it properly. if his - gives it properly. if his intention is to signer deal, it doesn't give him leveraged. but if he signs an honourable deal, he must bring to bear some pressure on the kremlin. the fact he hasn't appreciated just
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yet, and said this decision by weakening russian forces in the two months until he becomes president can be predictably used by donald trump to his own diplomatic ants. that depends on whether he really wishes to sign a serious deal, depending on the debates on the ideological complexion of the people he appoints to the remaining roles in his cabinet. can you see a situation where nato has a different strategy to washington? we have heard keir starmer in the last day talk about his commitment to ukraine, as long as it takes, all the things we have heard in the last two years. can you see any divergences likely to last for any considerable period of time postjanuary? i for any considerable period of time post january?— time post january? i will say to things. — time post january? i will say to things, donald _ time post january? i will say to things, donald trump - time post january? i will say | to things, donald trump may time post january? i will say - to things, donald trump may ask europeans to deploy troops into ukraine, and i suspect they aren't ready to face the full
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ramifications of it. the second point is donald trump may well ask europeans to increase the level of aid to ukraine if they want america to remain engaged. we haven't fully appreciated the fiscal cost of either ukrainian collapse donald trump cuts aid entirely, or the physical demands of backfilling the tens of billions of dollars of military aid that donald trump may withdraw. that will involve significant increases involve significant increases in defence spending in all of europe's major economies. 0ur european leaders preparing the public for it? with very few exceptions, i see little sign of it at present. we exceptions, i see little sign of it at present.— exceptions, i see little sign of it at present. we have to leave it. — of it at present. we have to leave it, but _ of it at present. we have to leave it, but always - of it at present. we have to leave it, but always a - of it at present. we have to i leave it, but always a pleasure to speak to you. thank you joining us live on bbc news. let's speak to maria eeonova — a ukrainian mp and member of ukraine's foreign affairs committee. thank you for your time on bbc
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news. your reaction to what we have heard from the american president in the last 2a hours, the change of decision on how missiles can be used?- missiles can be used? your thoughts — missiles can be used? your thoughts on _ missiles can be used? your thoughts on that. - missiles can be used? your thoughts on that. thank . missiles can be used? your| thoughts on that. thank you missiles can be used? your- thoughts on that. thank you so much for the invitation and we appreciate all the support which we have got from our friends and alliances. but such permission, missiles on the silver bullet against our common enemies. because you see today that unfortunately missiles attacked, killed dozens of ukrainians and wounded a lot of people today. phone calls to putin won't help. he responded brutally. first massive strikes against energy. sorry, my first massive strikes against enefqy- sorry, my connection wasn't good because energy. sorry, my connection wasn't good because we have this energy problems and that
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is why we have the cell phones, mobile connections, some problems. that is why yesterday missiles hit residential sector in sumi, and buildings, more than ten people have been killed including children. that is why it is half measures and half missions won't help. what do ou half missions won't help. what do you mean — half missions won't help. what do you mean by _ half missions won't help. what do you mean by half— half missions won't help. what do you mean by half measuresj do you mean by half measures and half permissions? i do you mean by half measures and half permissions?- do you mean by half measures and half permissions? i mean we need a strategy _ and half permissions? i mean we need a strategy altogether- and half permissions? i mean we need a strategy altogether to - need a strategy altogether to stand and the strategy is to defeat putin. that is why more weaponry, more training for our military guys, more ammunition. more sanctions, secondary sanctions against russia. that is why i think we have to be more decisive, to have more leadership and be creative, do not exclude anything i do not
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postpone. unfortunately, we still have a lack of ammunition and missiles and minds and drones, because russian army, on strategic level, they put their military industry together with north korea, china, and unfortunately still a lot of european crisis supplying some chips to the military machine.— military machine. those decisions _ military machine. those decisions you _ military machine. those decisions you are - military machine. those | decisions you are talking about, how important is that they are made now, given we are only eight weeks away from donald trump coming into the white house? everybody knows what he said about ending the war and everybody in ukraine will understand the potential of perhaps being forced to the table and forced to accept things that perhaps they don't want to do.
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things that perhaps they don't want to do-— want to do. again, we appreciate _ want to do. again, we appreciate this, - want to do. again, we appreciate this, we i want to do. again, we i appreciate this, we were advocating this permission over the world for a long time. that is why it is better now than never. but again, our reaction should be more adequate because putin should be more ad
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