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from the early alarm call and start a new chapter. the mantle will be taken up by scott mills, who moves and if you want to continue watching the bbc news at ten, please turn over to bbc one or you can watch on iplayer. next, it's newsnight. farmers descend on westminster to beg the government to change its mind about plans to make some farmers pay inheritance tax.

we speak tojeremy clarkson, and a treasury minister will be with us live. and the government's own figures says winter fuel payment cuts will push more pensioners into poverty. is this issue splitting labour? welcome to newsnight with insight and interviews. tonight we'll speak live to the exchequer secretary to the treasury about today's farmers�* protests, and a new development in their decision to means—test winter fuel payments for pensioners. first, farmers came to westminster to try and persuade the government to ditch its plan to make some farmers pay inheritance tax of 20% on farms worth over £1 million. some told me it would mean they'd be forced to sell their farms because they wouldn't be able to afford to pay it. farmers were a mixture of furious and anguished and bewildered. jeremy clarkson was amongst them. so why are you here, mr clarkson? well, because... i'm here to support farmers. right. are you angry?

it's difficult to be angry om somebody else�*s behalf. that's like being... yes, no, i'm notangry on someone else�*s behalf. right, so it's not about you? no. it's not about your farm and the fact that you bought a farm to avoid inheritance tax? classic bbc, there. classic. is it? oh, yeah. it's not the fact that... the fact that i bought a farm to avoid inheritance tax. the fact. you told the sunday times in 2021 that's why you bought it. you people. sorry? bbc. ok, let's start from the beginning. sure. i wanted to shoot, 0k? that's even worse to the bbc. i wanted to shoot, which comes with the benefit of not having to pay inheritance tax. now i do. but people like me will simply put it in a trust, and so long as i live for seven years, that's fine, and as my daughter says, you will live for seven years. you might be in a deep freeze by the end of it, but you will live for seven years. but it's incredibly time—consuming

to have to do that. and why should all these people have to do that? why should they? so one of the reasons rachel reeves says she has brought this in is to stop wealthy people using it as a way... no, that was the only reason she did it. no, the other reason was to raise money for public services. are you listening to this? have you tried to get a gp appointment lately? yes, ijust recently had a heart attack. ok, so you know it's tough. yes. so where should they get the money from if it's not from farmers...? from farmers. did you hear that, everyone? the bbc thinks you should be paying for everything. mr clarkson, you know it's not the bbc�*s view... do you know how many people pay inheritance tax in this country? it's 4% of estates. what? 4% of estates. 4% pay inheritance tax. 96% of the population of the uk does not pay inheritance tax. sure. after this becomes law, 96% of farmers will. where have you got that figure from? who here, can ijust ask, who here is going to be unaffected by these changes?

no—one. right, but where have you got the 96% figure? well, you've got... 96%... well, the same place that rachel reeves does, from the middle of her head, from the sixth form debating society that she was no doubt a member of. 0k. which formed her opinions, and yours. i am not expressing opinions, i am literally asking you questions. you know that, mr clarkson. right. so what is your message to this government? please back down. please. and get the money from where? well, they've got a0 billion. i'll tell you where you get the... walk into any of the offices around here. if you don't understand what somebody�*s job is, fire them. and how...? the civil service... horns honk. the civil service is two—top. you know that. how...? i must get on. with us, sirjake berry, former tory chair and a minority

shareholder in company which owns a small farm in wales, which wouldn't be affected by the inheritance tax changes because it's worth less than £im. andjim murphy, former labour sec of state for scotland and close to the starmer team. i know i am in iknowiam ina i know i am in a minority, that is the first time i have seen him on television. i don't watch as programmes. i think the farmers are pretty ill served by him being one of their spokespeople.— pretty ill served by him being one of their spokespeople. why? i think it is rude, i — of their spokespeople. why? i think it is rude, i think— of their spokespeople. why? i think it is rude, i think he _ of their spokespeople. why? i think it is rude, i think he is _ it is rude, i think he is aggressive. from what i have read, he invested in a farm for inheritance tax reasons. i think it is a disservice to be hard—working hundreds of thousands of farmers in the country. but the more substantial point is that the new labour government has had a budget thatis labour government has had a budget that is really pretty consequential, and i know there are some people

unnerve that we are still debating at three weeks later, but i don't think the labour party will be that unnerved by it. you think the labour party will be that unnerved by it— unnerved by it. you don't think it will be unnerved _ unnerved by it. you don't think it will be unnerved by— unnerved by it. you don't think it will be unnerved by today? - unnerved by it. you don't think it will be unnerved by today? did i will be unnerved by today? did today go well for the labour party? i don't think there will be a nervousness about a continuing debate about how we have to reset the economy, because they were elected at a time when personal income tax is at the highest in history. i am income tax is at the highest in history. iam not income tax is at the highest in history. i am not here to make a case for the labour party, but it is a fact that personal taxes are higher than they have ever been, and labour could not increase personal taxes, so they faced a choice — cut the nhs pretty drastically or introduce a set of taxes around assets, and that is what they have done. and on this particular point, on and tax, the butcher, baker, and the candlestick maker are going to have to pay inheritance tax if they pass the businesses on, and labour is seen from us should not be exempt from that. but there are exemptions, they will pay half the rate that everyone else pays. that they will pay half the rate that everyone else pays.— they will pay half the rate that everyone else pays. that is not

correct. everyone else pays. that is not correct we _ everyone else pays. that is not correct. we have _ everyone else pays. that is not correct. we have two _ everyone else pays. that is not correct. we have two systems, i everyone else pays. that is not - correct. we have two systems, and both are _ correct. we have two systems, and both are an— correct. we have two systems, and both are an acknowledgement that if you have _ both are an acknowledgement that if you have a _ both are an acknowledgement that if you have a butcher, baker, candlestick maker, or a small family farm, _ candlestick maker, or a small family farm. if_ candlestick maker, or a small family farm. if you — candlestick maker, or a small family farm, if you have to split that business _ farm, if you have to split that business up because of the death of a proprietor, whoever he or she may be, then_ a proprietor, whoever he or she may be, then you — a proprietor, whoever he or she may be, then you will have no business after— be, then you will have no business after it. _ be, then you will have no business after it, which is why for decades we have — after it, which is why for decades we have had business property relief and agricultural property relief, both— and agricultural property relief, both of— and agricultural property relief, both of which the labour party has sought— both of which the labour party has sought to — both of which the labour party has sought to reduce in this budget. and the are sought to reduce in this budget. situc they are going sought to reduce in this budget. fific they are going to sought to reduce in this budget. elic they are going to hear sought to reduce in this budget. el"ic they are going to hear from sought to reduce in this budget. e.ic they are going to hear from many farmers about that. i they are going to hear from many farmers about that.— farmers about that. i was at the rotests farmers about that. i was at the protests today _ farmers about that. i was at the protests today as _ farmers about that. i was at the protests today as well, - farmers about that. i was at the protests today as well, and - farmers about that. i was at the protests today as well, and i - farmers about that. i was at the i protests today as well, and i think you are _ protests today as well, and i think you are right, i thinkjeremy clarkson— you are right, i thinkjeremy clarkson is warmly regarded by the farming _ clarkson is warmly regarded by the farming community, because whether you like _ farming community, because whether you like what he stands for what he says. _ you like what he stands for what he says. he _ you like what he stands for what he says, he draws public attention to the plight — says, he draws public attention to the plight of farmers. and if you look— the plight of farmers. and if you took at — the plight of farmers. and if you look at cereal farmers, they have had a _ look at cereal farmers, they have had a huge — look at cereal farmers, they have had a huge drop in their income because — had a huge drop in their income because of— had a huge drop in their income because of the adverse weather we have had, — because of the adverse weather we have had, so it is a sector under massive — have had, so it is a sector under massive pressure. what people are asking, _ massive pressure. what people are asking, what people are really concerned about, as it doesn't feel like the _ concerned about, as it doesn't feel like the labour party has a real -rip like the labour party has a real grip on— like the labour party has a real grip on the _

like the labour party has a real grip on the number of people who are going _ grip on the number of people who are going to _ grip on the number of people who are going to be _ grip on the number of people who are going to be affected by this. it feels — going to be affected by this. it feels like a stab in the dark. i saw you having — feels like a stab in the dark. i saw you having a — feels like a stab in the dark. i saw you having a bit of a debate with jeremy— you having a bit of a debate with jeremy about how many people will be affected _ jeremy about how many people will be affected. defra says that 66% of farms _ affected. defra says that 66% of farms are — affected. defra says that 66% of farms are worth over £1 million. the treasury— farms are worth over £1 million. the treasury says — farms are worth over £1 million. the treasury says that only a third of farmers— treasury says that only a third of farmers will be affected by this. i io farmers will be affected by this. go on the farmers will be affected by this. i go on the hmrc figures. farmers will be affected by this. i | go on the hmrc figures. they are wron: , go on the hmrc figures. they are wrong. you _ go on the hmrc figures. they are wrong. you are — go on the hmrc figures. they are wrong, you are wrong _ go on the hmrc figures. they are wrong, you are wrong to - go on the hmrc figures. they are wrong, you are wrong to go - go on the hmrc figures. they are wrong, you are wrong to go on i go on the hmrc figures. they are - wrong, you are wrong to go on them. iwiti— wrong, you are wrong to go on them. iwitt tell— wrong, you are wrong to go on them. iwitt tell you _ wrong, you are wrong to go on them. i will tell you why they are wrong. the hmrc— i will tell you why they are wrong. the hmrc figures only deal with farms _ the hmrc figures only deal with farms that would have benefited from agricultural property relief. that is not _ agricultural property relief. that is not how — agricultural property relief. that is not how farms work. farms also use business— is not how farms work. farms also use business property relief for non-fixed — use business property relief for non—fixed assets, cattle, combine harvesters, — non—fixed assets, cattle, combine harvesters, grain in the grain silo, it is all— harvesters, grain in the grain silo, it is all deait — harvesters, grain in the grain silo, it is all dealt with business property relief, and actually most farms _ property relief, and actually most farms would use both, that is why this is— farms would use both, that is why this is a _ farms would use both, that is why this is a perfect storm for farming, because _ this is a perfect storm for farming, because they are both reliefs, stopping — because they are both reliefs, stopping people from passing the farms _ stopping people from passing the farms onto the next generation. the leaders of

farms onto the next generation. i"is: leaders of the farms onto the next generation. t"is: leaders of the conservatives, farms onto the next generation. t"i2 leaders of the conservatives, reform uk, the liberal democrats, they were all there today, they see this as a chance to win the farming vote. how the tories grew to fight off reform for this rural vote, or how can they when their leaders were advocates of brexit, which is damaged farmers? that is a very different debate than brexit. _ that is a very different debate than brexit. the — that is a very different debate than brexit, the main thing...— brexit, the main thing... butterly inheritance _ brexit, the main thing... butterly inheritance changes _ brexit, the main thing... butterly inheritance changes -- _ brexit, the main thing... butterly inheritance changes -- but - brexit, the main thing... butterly inheritance changes -- but the i inheritance changes —— but the inheritance changes —— but the inheritance tax change is like the straw that broke the camel's back. i am asking you how reform uk... i don't think brexit has affected farming — don't think brexit has affected farming in the way you say, because actually— farming in the way you say, because actually most farms in the uk are sold to _ actually most farms in the uk are sold to our— actually most farms in the uk are sold to our domestic market, that is the first— sold to our domestic market, that is the first thing to say about brexit -- most— the first thing to say about brexit —— most farm produce in the uk. farm -- most farm produce in the uk. farm subsidies have — -- most farm produce in the uk. farm subsidies have fallen _ -- most farm produce in the uk. farm subsidies have fallen by up _ -- most farm produce in the uk. fawn subsidies have fallen by up to 37% since brexit. subsidies have fallen by up to 3796 since brexit.— since brexit. let's look at what happened- _ since brexit. let's look at what happened. farmers _ since brexit. let's look at what happened. farmers had - since brexit. let's look at what happened. farmers had a - happened. farmers had a transition period _

happened. farmers had a transition period untit— happened. farmers had a transition period until 2028 to deal with something called the basic farm payment — something called the basic farm payment scheme, which is the acreage scheme _ payment scheme, which is the acreage scheme they got paid. they were told that wiii— scheme they got paid. they were told that will be _ scheme they got paid. they were told that will be until 2028, that has been _ that will be until 2028, that has been brought into 2025, some fans are seeing — been brought into 2025, some fans are seeing a 60% drop in their income — are seeing a 60% drop in their income. that is nothing to do with brexit. _ income. that is nothing to do with brexit. that — income. that is nothing to do with brexit, that is a decision by the labour— brexit, that is a decision by the labour government. the tax on farm vehicles _ labour government. the tax on farm vehicles has — labour government. the tax on farm vehicles has gone up by 211%. look at the _ vehicles has gone up by 211%. look at the loss— vehicles has gone up by 211%. look at the loss on doubling of business property— at the loss on doubling of business property relief and inheritance tax relief. that is why farmers were protesting — relief. that is why farmers were protesting on the street today saying — protesting on the street today saying this is a perfect storm for farming — saying this is a perfect storm for farming is — saying this is a perfect storm for farmina. , , . saying this is a perfect storm for farmina. , _, , farming. is this a problem for labour? people _ farming. is this a problem for labour? people are _ farming. is this a problem for labour? people are saying i farming. is this a problem for. labour? people are saying they farming. is this a problem for- labour? people are saying they don't get rural britain. i labour? people are saying they don't get rural britain.— get rural britain. i don't think that is fair, i get rural britain. i don't think that is fair, but i i get rural britain. i don't think that is fair, but i understand | get rural britain. i don't think. that is fair, but i understand why people say it. but no matter who you introduce a tax on, there are going to be protests, and what the labour party has to do strategically as it has to balance the books, it has to get the public finances in equilibrium. i noticed that kemi badenoch was there today. i am not

here to give her advice, but... but ou are here to give her advice, but... but you are about _ here to give her advice, but... but you are about to. i i here to give her advice, but... but you are about to. i think i here to give her advice, but... but you are about to. i think she i here to give her advice, but... but you are about to. i think she has l you are about to. i think she has not to be you are about to. i think she has got to be careful, i you are about to. i think she has got to be careful, because i you are about to. i think she has got to be careful, because the l you are about to. i think she has l got to be careful, because the few weeks she has been in office, she has already adopted two pretty extensive spending commitments, one is to reverse the vat on private education and the second is to reverse this inheritance tax, and if she is not careful, i think she will end up getting to a point at the next election where she will have required so many expense of spending commitments that she will be all opposition and no leadership —— she will have acquired. brute opposition and no leadership -- she will have acquired.— will have acquired. we will see. before that. — will have acquired. we will see. before that, let's i will have acquired. we will see. before that, let's hear- will have acquired. we will see. before that, let's hear from i before that, let's hearfrom more farmers i spoke to today. i've got £3 million worth of cattle stood in the shed. that's my livestock. that's where i store my assets. but we've got no money. every penny we make is ploughed back into the farm for the next generation. if that's gone, that's gone. these young people here, they've got no future.

if this goes on, they're finished. we work all the hours god sends to put food on everybody's tables. and to think that my grandfather has passed this down to my mother, to my brother, and we could end up losing this. we've always worked to farm. we were never going to do anything else. and, yeah, it really, it's so upsetting. it's heartbreaking. i fear many families... i mean, we can relate, but around the country, will end up losing theirfarms. do you think this labour government understands the countryside? i mean, they won a number of seats in rural constituencies. yeah. — they wouldn't... their heart's not in it. you know, ijust can't see it, ijust... whatever they've done at the moment has been destroying the people of the country. the government cannot assume that we have these, we just want to sell these assets. they're not, they're ours. we want to hold on to them. it's because it's our land, it's ourfarm. and this will be the end of family farms. do you really think that's the case? in many cases, yes. small farms will have to be forced to sell to larger landowners and the small family businesses, they're gone. it's completely unfair. now back to our panel.

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