putin has claimed again that this missile is invincible and that the western forces will not have any ways and means to intercept it. we believe that he's launched a kind of game — i believe that he's launched a kind of game — who's going to blame the first one? so, he wants to outwit, to outman and to outgun and to scare the west. there is a lot. of rhetoric here. russia has escalated its nuclear threats. i it has always done that when putin felt that. he has been feeling - that he is under threat. i think russia has now supplied north korea with, as you say, over 1 million barrels of oil, which is in violation of un sanctions. joining me tonight are leon emirali, former aide to the environment secretary steve barclay, and democratic strategist kurt bardella.

first, the latest headlines. thejudge in donald trump's criminal hush money case has ordered that sentencing be delayed indefinitely following mr trump's reelection. he was due to be sentenced next tuesday. mr trump's lawyers argued the case would cause "unconstitutional impediments" to his ability to govern. the hungarian leader says he's invited benjamin netanyahu the rapper and music producer is appearing in court in new york to make a new request for bail. he is awaiting trial on sex trafficking and racketeering charges which he denies. combs has been detained at a new yorkjail for more than two months. a woman who accuse the irish mixed martial arts fighter conor mcgregor of raping her in a dublin hotel six years ago has won her claim against him for damages in a high court civil case. the mma fighter has been

ordered to pay nikita hand a quarter of1 million euros in damages. lava continues to flow from a volcano on iceland's reykjanes peninsula. it's erupting for the seventh time in less than a year. prior to 2021, the area had not seen volcanic activity in 800 years. seismologists say a long—dormant fault lying under the has reawakened. we begin this hour in europe, and a renewed warning of a very real and serious risk of global conflict developing from russia's ongoing war against ukraine. that warning came on friday from one of kyiv�*s top allies, polish prime minister donald tusk. the conflict, he added, was entering a decisive stage. moscow's strike on the ukrainian city of dnipro, which involved a new experimental ballistic missile with multiple warheads, has been widely condemned. nato says it won't be deterred from its support for ukraine,

and next week, there'll be an emergency nato—ukraine meeting in brussels. ukraine's foreign minister says his country will be looking for concrete outcomes. translation: the recent massive terrorist missile attacks, _ shelling of ukraine, the involvement of north korean troops and new threats demonstrate that only russia is interested in continuing the war and expanding it. the world must respond decisively to russia's threats, nuclear blackmail and the involvement of foreign military to its aggression. ukraine president volodymyr zelensky said russia's use of the hypersonic and intermediate—range missile is a "clear and severe escalation" which the world must respond to. the level of technology could pose a risk beyond ukraine's order. with a range of 3,000 miles, it's a weapon that would be capable of reaching targets across europe. the hungarian prime minister, viktor 0rban,

president putin threatened further retaliation. he says he has a stock of new missiles ready to use. the hungarian prime minister, viktor 0rban, said the west should take the warnings seriously. translation: i believe the next two months. _ translation: i believe the next two months, we _ translation: i believe the next two months, we should - translation: i believe the next two months, we should not- translation: i believe the next two months, we should not base| two months, we should not base our approach on the rules of western_ our approach on the rules of western european style communication policies, but rather— communication policies, but rather on _ communication policies, but rather on a wartime logic. we must — rather on a wartime logic. we must proceed carefully, weighing every sentence and word — weighing every sentence and word according to the principles of common sense. otherwise, we'll see what happens a. let's talk to our panel. the entrepreneur and former aide to steve barclay, leon emirali, and democratic strategist kurt bardella. leon and kurt, thank you forjoining me tonight. beginning with ukraine, wejust

heard that message from viktor 0rban. meanwhile, germany's foreign minister, said playing with fear is a recipe which vladimir putin use already. kurt, how seriously should the us to take these warnings from the russian president? i us to take these warnings from the russian president?- the russian president? i think we're going — the russian president? i think we're going to _ the russian president? i think we're going to have _ the russian president? i think we're going to have a - the russian president? i think we're going to have a heavy i we're going to have a heavy dose of posturing. all of these as signals right now are really meant to dissuade the current biden administration from doing anything that could strengthen ukraine's hand. it's been no secret that trump has laid out a very different agenda. he has made a big promise that he is going to bring an end to the conflicts as well as the middle east in ukraine and russia. i just think you're going to see

a lot of posturing right now. i don't think anybody has any question that it's not in vladimir putin's best interest. we'll see why that is when trump takes power.- we'll see why that is when trump takes power. leon, his fords minister _ trump takes power. leon, his fords minister was _ trump takes power. leon, his fords minister was talking - fords minister was talking about —— what could that look like? i about -- what could that look like? ~' about -- what could that look like? ~ ., ., ~ like? i think it looks like much of _ like? ithink it looks like much of the _ like? ithink it looks like much of the same, - like? i think it looks like - much of the same, ultimately the use — much of the same, ultimately the use of— much of the same, ultimately the use of a western supplied weapon, _ the use of a western supplied weapon, potentially hitting russia _ weapon, potentially hitting russia within their own borders. ultimately, what does that lead — borders. ultimately, what does that lead to? it leads to a further— that lead to? it leads to a further escalation that we're already— further escalation that we're already seeing. i think kurt's point — already seeing. i think kurt's point about donald trump and the world is waiting with bated breath— the world is waiting with bated breath as to what this deal is

going — breath as to what this deal is going to _ breath as to what this deal is going to be that he puts between russia and ukraine, but there's— between russia and ukraine, but there's no— between russia and ukraine, but there's no guarantees that either— there's no guarantees that either party is going to accept both— either party is going to accept both proposals for the incoming us president. we are going to see a — us president. we are going to see a prolonging of this conflict, and we've got the splits _ conflict, and we've got the splits at _ conflict, and we've got the splits at the moment between nato — splits at the moment between nato and european allies and between incoming us administration, i think that plays— administration, i think that plays into vladimir putin's hahds _ plays into vladimir putin's hands as— plays into vladimir putin's hands as being able to so the division — hands as being able to so the division that means the war is going — division that means the war is going to — division that means the war is going to continue rolling on —— sew— going to continue rolling on —— sew the — going to continue rolling on —— sew the division. going to continue rolling on -- sew the division.— sew the division. kurt, do you think the _ sew the division. kurt, do you think the use _ sew the division. kurt, do you think the use of _ sew the division. kurt, do you think the use of this _ sew the division. kurt, do you think the use of this missile i think the use of this missile is as much of message for donald trump as it is the current president and other nato countries closer to ukraine?— nato countries closer to ukraine? ., ~ ukraine? yeah, i think putin wants to _ ukraine? yeah, i think putin wants to try _ ukraine? yeah, i think putin wants to try to _ ukraine? yeah, i think putin wants to try to project - ukraine? yeah, i think putin wants to try to project a - ukraine? yeah, i think putinl wants to try to project a show of strength, of force, reminding donald trump who he's dealing with once he assumes power. if you're the

ukrainians, you have to understand there is a window thatis understand there is a window that is rapidly closing on what the type of support you have had it is going to look like. that's going to end. republicans have taken power have unilateral power coming up in 2025. they've made it very clear that there will be no new money. they will not fund another dollar of spending. the ukrainians have between now and the moment that donald trump assumes the oval office to try to make as much advancement as possible before those resources will dry up. it’ll possible before those resources will dry urn— will dry up. it'll be interesting - will dry up. it'll be interesting to - will dry up. it'll be interesting to see | will dry up. it'll be - interesting to see how developments might influence what donald trump does or doesn't do depending on the situation when he returns to the white house. this decisive moment in the conflict comes at big shifts globally.

the prime minister said the war could end today of food and stopped being aggressive. he also told the g20 summit that russia's irresponsible rhetoric and his words, wouldn't affect uk support for ukraine. in parliament, there is this pledge. russia could roll back their forces _ russia could roll back their forces and _ russia could roll back their forces and end _ russia could roll back their forces and end this - russia could roll back their forces and end this war- forces and end this war tomorrow. _ forces and end this war tomorrow, but - forces and end this war tomorrow, but until- forces and end this war. tomorrow, but until then, forces and end this war- tomorrow, but until then, we will stand _ tomorrow, but until then, we will stand up— tomorrow, but until then, we will stand up for— tomorrow, but until then, we will stand up for what - tomorrow, but until then, we will stand up for what we - tomorrow, but until then, we. will stand up for what we know is right, — will stand up for what we know is right, for— will stand up for what we know is right, for ukraine's - is right, for ukraine's security— is right, for ukraine's security and - is right, for ukraine's security and for- is right, for ukraine's security and for our. is right, for ukraine's i security and for our own security, _ security and for our own security, and _ security and for our own security, and we - security and for our own security, and we will. security and for our own i security, and we will back ukraine _ security, and we will back ukraine with _ security, and we will back ukraine with what - security, and we will back ukraine with what is - security, and we will back . ukraine with what is needed security, and we will back - ukraine with what is needed for as long — ukraine with what is needed for as long as— ukraine with what is needed for as long as it's _ ukraine with what is needed for as long as it's needed. - ukraine with what is needed for as long as it's needed. talk- ukraine with what is needed for as long as it's needed.- as long as it's needed. talk to professor _ as long as it's needed. talk to professor at _ as long as it's needed. talk to professor at king's _ as long as it's needed. talk to professor at king's college - professor at king's college london. good to see you on the programme. that seems like a pretty clear—cut commitment from the uk to ukraine. could

anything change?— from the uk to ukraine. could anything change? well, as your two panelists — anything change? well, as your two panelists said, _ anything change? well, as your two panelists said, the - anything change? well, as your two panelists said, the crucial. two panelists said, the crucial thing will be to see what happens when trump takes office. if it is the case, that poses a real challenge to ukraine and i'm not convinced that europeans are fully committed to that. we won't really know until they're confronted with that. if the uk wants a good economic and security relationship with the us under the second trump administration, that begs the question that what happens if the us takes a very different position on ukraine? as you mentioned, european leaders find that difficult. does the uk think they have to go their own way, a different way from

america on ukraine. we would actually like to be closer to america on economic matters, could that happen? i america on economic matters, could that happen?— america on economic matters, could that happen? i think they could that happen? i think they could happen. _ could that happen? i think they could happen, but _ could that happen? i think they could happen, but i _ could that happen? i think they could happen, but i think- could that happen? i think they could happen, but i think the l could happen, but i think the real problem that a trump presidency poses for the united kingdom is it puts us in the position of doing what we've never liked doing, which is choosing between europe and america. if the trump administration said to our government, "we can make a deal whereby you are not subject to these ten or 20% tariffs on imports that we're planning to levy on all exporters to the us, we want you to open your market to products," that causes problem to the government �*s. i don't think there's a great amount of support for public opinion and that would rule out the key point of his reset with the european union. there is a presidential that the trump administration, imposes really

tricky choices.— tricky choices. and one of those could _ tricky choices. and one of those could be _ tricky choices. and one of those could be a - tricky choices. and one of those could be a move i tricky choices. and one of. those could be a move closer tricky choices. and one of - those could be a move closer to the eu, which politically may be trickier in terms of the optics for this labour government. how likely do you think that option is? iimagine i imagine they will argue that should be maintained regardless of the implication in a way for our ties with the european union. there are some people for whom that is absolutely top of the list of priorities. the other thing to be said is for all keir starmer�*s talk of a reset, negotiations haven't started yet and we don't really know how far those talks will go. but we do know is there will be a greater sense of urgency because of the challenge that trump poses to all europeans.—

challenge that trump poses to all europeans. how do you think other countries _ all europeans. how do you think other countries are _ all europeans. how do you think other countries are looking - all europeans. how do you think other countries are looking at i other countries are looking at the uk now and figuring out what it's the uk now and figuring out what its position will be, or are they too busy talking thinking about their own positions to worry about that, frankly? i positions to worry about that, frankl ? ~' , ., �* frankly? i think you're right, we're not — frankly? i think you're right, we're not a _ frankly? i think you're right, we're not a priority - frankly? i think you're right, we're not a priority for- frankly? i think you're right, we're not a priority for eu i we're not a priority for eu member states because they've got more than enough other problems to think about. so far in thinking about us, i think they'll watch carefully to see how we react to a president trump. they'll see if we try to negotiate special deals for ourselves when it comes to things like tariffs. the look to see if there is a negotiation with the us on standards, and they will be calibrating how to deal with this partly as a function of what we do with regard to the us. . ~ , ., , . let's bring back our panelists, leon emirali and kurt bardella.

a really interesting conversation they are, and i just wonder first of all, leon, what you think the uk priority will be as we have this new administration coming in? is it going to be security or the economy in terms of that relationship with the us? first and foremost, _ relationship with the us? first and foremost, it _ relationship with the us? first and foremost, it has _ relationship with the us? first and foremost, it has to - relationship with the us? first and foremost, it has to be security~ _ and foremost, it has to be security i_ and foremost, it has to be security. i think it will be reckless _ security. i think it will be reckless of the government to choose — reckless of the government to choose anything other than that and i_ choose anything other than that and i think we are seeing that direction _ and i think we are seeing that direction being adopted by keir starmer— direction being adopted by keir starmer over the last few weeks _ starmer over the last few weeks. he does seem to be edging _ weeks. he does seem to be edging slightly towards the european union as opposed to donald trump. it is that choice _ to donald trump. it is that choice that menon mentioned. do you ultimately

have to give away some of the security— have to give away some of the security and defence of ukraine? it's a really difficult spot for the prime minister to be difficult spot for the prime ministerto be in. i do difficult spot for the prime minister to be in. i do think he is— minister to be in. i do think he is going to decide on the security— he is going to decide on the security point and i do think that's— security point and i do think that's going to be one of the bil that's going to be one of the big priorities. ultimately, the united — big priorities. ultimately, the united kingdom in the european union _ united kingdom in the european union and allies are not enough to end — union and allies are not enough to end the — union and allies are not enough to end the war favourably f