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but first, there are reports today that sir keir starmer is trying to rush through a treaty to give away the chagos islands before donald trump's inauguration. in october, the british government announced a preliminary deal to cede sovereignty of the islands to mauritius. there are 60 islands in the archipelago, but it is the largest of the islands, diego garcia, and the military base upon it — leased to the united states — that concerns the white house. american planes flew sorties from diego garcia during both gulf wars and the war in afghanistan. it gives them an important foothold in the indian ocean, but in 2019, the international court ofjustice ruled the islands belonged to mauritius. and since then, the chagos have been a diplomatic irritant to the uk government as it tries to put its colonial past behind it. according to the terms of the agreement, the base will remain in british hands under american control under a 99—year renewable lease. britain will pay mauritius to build infrastructure and resettle some of the smaller islands, but according to nigel farage, that doesn't appear

to have the support of the incoming us administration. i never disclose private conversations i have with donald trump. that's why he likes me and trusts me, but i have spoken to very senior members of his incoming cabinet team... so marco rubio, people like that? they are horrified. horrified? horrified. why? because they know that china has extraordinary naval ambitions. we see that literally every month in the south china sea as they encroach on new territories, they try and reclaim atolls, and the trouble with this deal is, well, number one it's totally unnecessary and there is no basis in international law that we have to do this that stands up. but the worry is that it's a 99—year lease, sounds great, but we had a 50—year deal with china over hong kong. that unraveled. what's more, the new mauritian prime minister, navinchandra ramgoolam, set the hares running this week

by expressing his reservations about the deal he's inheriting. the concern for america is that the real beneficiary of all this will be china. mauritius already has substantial investment and trade links with the government in beijing. is it totally necessary, nigel farage says it is in. there are no international laws of some of the scrutiny, he says, that suggests we have to hand it back. . , , back. yeah, i guess when keir starmer became _ back. yeah, i guess when keir starmer became prime - back. yeah, i guess when keir. starmer became prime minister of all— starmer became prime minister of all the — starmer became prime minister of all the foreign policy ideas that he — of all the foreign policy ideas that he was going to have to deal— that he was going to have to deal with him at this was not one — deal with him at this was not one of— deal with him at this was not one of them. it did seem to go smoothly— one of them. it did seem to go smoothly who is now the national security adviser negotiated the deal. but now donald — negotiated the deal. but now donald trump and if people don't — donald trump and if people don't like it and the new prime minister— don't like it and the new prime minister in _ don't like it and the new prime minister in mauritius does it like — minister in mauritius does it like it — minister in mauritius does it like it. this treaty has not been _ like it. this treaty has not been signed yet and yes there are reports that he wants to -et are reports that he wants to get it — are reports that he wants to

get it done, before the chamber the 20th. — get it done, before the chamber the 20th, but i think the feeling _ the 20th, but i think the feeling from dentistry actually today— feeling from dentistry actually today is— feeling from dentistry actually today is that it probably won't -et today is that it probably won't get done _ today is that it probably won't get done in that time. they do have _ get done in that time. they do have other issues to deal with, and so — have other issues to deal with, and so we _ have other issues to deal with, and so we may have a real problem _ and so we may have a real problem. one of the issues that keir starmer have to deal with with— keir starmer have to deal with with the — keir starmer have to deal with with the incoming demonstration, this probably should — demonstration, this probably should not be one of them but it will— should not be one of them but it will he _ should not be one of them but it will be— it will be. because it's been politcised- _ it will be. because it's been politcised. marco _ it will be. because it's been politcised. marco rubio - it will be. because it's been politcised. marco rubio asl politcised. marco rubio as victoria was just suggesting sit a few weeks ago the deal poses a serious threat to us national security. poses a serious threat to us nationalsecurity. he poses a serious threat to us national security. he suggested if china's fishing fleet is in the same waters, than vessels with sipping a limit will be on the base. ., ,., with sipping a limit will be on the base-— the base. the reason it's politcised _ the base. the reason it's politcised is _ the base. the reason it's politcised is because - the base. the reason it's - politcised is because military experts _ politcised is because military experts say— politcised is because military experts say it _ politcised is because military experts say it correctly - politcised is because military experts say it correctly that i experts say it correctly that the indo—pacific_ experts say it correctly that the indo—pacific is - experts say it correctly that the indo—pacific is going. experts say it correctly that the indo—pacific is going to| experts say it correctly that. the indo—pacific is going to be the indo—pacific is going to be the key— the indo—pacific is going to be the key region— the indo—pacific is going to be the key region of— the indo—pacific is going to be the key region of potential - the key region of potential conflict _ the key region of potential conflict and _ the key region of potential conflict and contestation . conflict and contestation between _ conflict and contestation between the _ conflict and contestation between the west - conflict and contestation between the west and l conflict and contestationl between the west and an conflict and contestation - between the west and an ever more — between the west and an ever more cohesive. _ between the west and an ever more cohesive, autocratic- between the west and an everj more cohesive, autocratic axis led by— more cohesive, autocratic axis led by china _ more cohesive, autocratic axis led by china. and _ more cohesive, autocratic axis led by china. and diego - more cohesive, autocratic axis led by china. and diego garcia is absolutely _ led by china. and diego garcia is absolutely critical. - led by china. and diego garcia is absolutely critical. when - is absolutely critical. when military _ is absolutely critical. when military expert _ is absolutely critical. when military expert described l is absolutely critical. whenj military expert described it is absolutely critical. when i

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violating it. and american. taxpayers are sick and tired violating it. and american- taxpayers are sick and tired of having — taxpayers are sick and tired of having to _ taxpayers are sick and tired of having to pay— taxpayers are sick and tired of having to pay effectively - taxpayers are sick and tired of having to pay effectively for. having to pay effectively for western _ having to pay effectively for western european - having to pay effectively for western european welfare . western european welfare states _ western european welfare states and _ western european welfare states. and with - western european welfare states. and with a - western european welfare states. and with a the - western european welfare - states. and with a the muted, atrophied _ states. and with a the muted, atrophied military— states. and with a the muted, atrophied military capability . atrophied military capability to do— atrophied military capability to do what _ atrophied military capability to do what i— atrophied military capability to do what i think— atrophied military capability to do what i think the - atrophied military capability to do what i think the data . to do what i think the data from — to do what i think the data from administration - to do what i think the data from administration would to do what i think the data - from administration would feel is a betrayal— from administration would feel is a betrayal in _ from administration would feel is a betrayal in the _ from administration would feel is a betrayal in the garcia - is a betrayal in the garcia would _ is a betrayal in the garcia would be _ is a betrayal in the garcia would be a _ is a betrayal in the garcia would be a strategic- is a betrayal in the garcia - would be a strategic mistake of historic— would be a strategic mistake of historic proportions, _ would be a strategic mistake of historic proportions, so - would be a strategic mistake of historic proportions, so i- would be a strategic mistake of historic proportions, so i hopel historic proportions, so i hope very— historic proportions, so i hope very nfuch— historic proportions, so i hope very much that _ historic proportions, so i hope very much that keir— historic proportions, so i hope very much that keir starmer. historic proportions, so i hope . very much that keir starmer and is for— very much that keir starmer and is for secretary— very much that keir starmer and is for secretary took _ very much that keir starmer and is for secretary took a _ very much that keir starmer and is for secretary took a step - 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whitehall dogma enough. and yeah. — whitehall dogma enough. and yeah. i— whitehall dogma enough. and yeah, i think as matthew says, what _ yeah, i think as matthew says, what does _ yeah, i think as matthew says, what does it say about keir starmer's global strategic priority. he's very focused on things— priority. he's very focused on things like ukraine and the middle _ things like ukraine and the middle east but he is not really— middle east but he is not really looking at the indo—pacific. david lemi went to china — indo—pacific. david lemi went to china last month and talk about— to china last month and talk about this progressive realism doctrine — about this progressive realism doctrine that is it realistic enough _ doctrine that is it realistic enough about the threat that china — enough about the threat that china poses and i think that's a question he has to answer. a quick a question he has to answer. quick one if there is the issue of the people of the chagos islands who were uprooted quite brutally, matthew, international court ofjustice dance with them and keir starmer would say an acid at the top it's become a double medic irritant for british governments trying to rebuild bridges with particularly african country. if there's some truth to that? welcome of the chagos _ some truth to that? welcome of the chagos islands _ some truth to that? welcome of the chagos islands incident, - the chagos islands incident, the chagos islands incident, the one _ the chagos islands incident, the one it's _ the chagos islands incident, the one it's been _ the chagos islands incident, the one it's been proposed . the chagos islands incident, . the one it's been proposed by keir— the one it's been proposed by keir starmer— the one it's been proposed by keir starmer can— the one it's been proposed by keir starmer can be— the one it's been proposed by keir starmer can be the - keir starmer can be the majority— keir starmer can be the majority of— keir starmer can be the majority of them - keir starmer can be the majority of them as - keir starmer can be the majority of them as i. majority of them as i understand - majority of them as i understand it - majority of them as i understand it so - majority of them as i understand it so i. majority of them as i. understand it so i think majority of them as i- understand it so i think in of this— understand it so i think in of this is— understand it so i think in of this is something _ understand it so i think in of this is something that's- understand it so i think in of. this is something that's going to benefit— this is something that's going to benefit them. _ this is something that's going to benefit them. but - this is something that's going to benefit them. but what - this is something that's going | to benefit them. but what will

not the — to benefit them. but what will not the entire _ to benefit them. but what will not the entire world _ to benefit them. but what will not the entire world is - to benefit them. but what will not the entire world is if- to benefit them. but what will not the entire world is if the l not the entire world is if the west— not the entire world is if the west is— not the entire world is if the west is sufficiently - not the entire world is if the west is sufficiently weak - not the entire world is if thel west is sufficiently weak that an axis— west is sufficiently weak that an axis that _ west is sufficiently weak that an axis that is _ west is sufficiently weak that an axis that is driving - an axis that is driving totalitarianism - an axis that is driving totalitarianism and l an axis that is driving - totalitarianism and genocide in china, — totalitarianism and genocide in china, massive _ totalitarianism and genocide in china, massive barbarism - totalitarianism and genocide in china, massive barbarism in i china, massive barbarism in europe _ china, massive barbarism in europe perpetrated - 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china said to get ready forl war, they are building their military— war, they are building their military abilities— war, they are building their military abilities with - war, they are building their military abilities with that i war, they are building theiri military abilities with that in mind — military abilities with that in mind he _ military abilities with that in mind. he sees— military abilities with that in mind. he sees taiwan - military abilities with that in mind. he sees taiwan as . military abilities with that in| mind. he sees taiwan as his great — mind. he sees taiwan as his great legacy. _ mind. he sees taiwan as his great legacy. a _ mind. he sees taiwan as his great legacy, a blockade - mind. he sees taiwan as his . great legacy, a blockade could be relatively— great legacy, a blockade could be relatively immanent - great legacy, a blockade could be relatively immanent in- be relatively immanent in geopolitical— be relatively immanent in geopolitical terms. - be relatively immanent in geopolitical terms. it - 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media for children under the age of 16. the bill, which passed the final hurdle this morning, puts in place some of the most comprehensive measures anywhere aimed at safeguarding young people from online hate and bullying. some of the detail, how it will be enforced, what platforms will be covered are still to be worked out, though it will almost certainly apply to tiktok, facebook, instagram and x. from now on, the onus will be on the social media platforms to take "reasonable steps" to prevent children having an account. fines of up to $32 million for any "systemic" failure to implement these age requirements. parents and children will not be subject to any fines if they find a way past the restrictions. people will applaud this, won't they? l people will applaud this, won't the ? ~ �* people will applaud this, won't the ? ~' �* ., ., they? i think i'm one of them. i have they? i think i'm one of them. i have two _ they? i think i'm one of them. i have two children, _ they? i think i'm one of them. i have two children, 12 - they? i think i'm one of them. i have two children, 12 and - i have two children, 12 and ten, _ i have two children, 12 and ten, and— i have two children, 12 and ten, and i— i have two children, 12 and ten, and i really— i have two children, 12 and ten, and i really did- i have two children, 12 and ten, and i really did not. i have two children, 12 and . ten, and i really did not want to give — ten, and i really did not want to give my— ten, and i really did not want to give my daughter- ten, and i really did not want to give my daughter a - to give my daughter a smartphone, - to give my daughter a smartphone, access. to give my daughter al smartphone, access to to give my daughter a - smartphone, access to social

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pathetic... my son's school has l begun an experiment in london, and any smartphones from school and any smartphones from school and he does not miss it. i really to say we got him the nokia brick and he does not take them to school either. he

actually gets on ok. the only element actually which is interesting as an anecdote is i don't want to go on school trips away from home because they will be able to amuse themselves on the coach ride there and get in touch with us on the way back. but that's immaterial. 0ne on the way back. but that's immaterial. one thing i wanted to talk about is this coincided today with the media regulator publishing its annual report in which we are told once again that children lie about their age online. so around a third of 8-12 age online. so around a third of 8—12 —year—old 78 an edge profile over 16 and about a fifth ave and a profile over 18 came even if the platforms are age rating their content, surely children are still exposed to it.- surely children are still exposed to it. yeah, and i think what's _ exposed to it. yeah, and i think what's interesting i exposed to it. yeah, and i- think what's interesting about this australian law is it saying _ this australian law is it saying the children won't be penalised but it will be the companies. i have a 14—year—old daughter— companies. i have a 14—year—old daughter and i don't allow her to have — daughter and i don't allow her to have tiktok and her phone but she — to have tiktok and her phone but she does have other apps and i'm — but she does have other apps and i'm now feeling guilty that you have — and i'm now feeling guilty that you have your child with the nokia — you have your child with the

nokia brick. but i think children will have ways to get around — children will have ways to get around this and they will lie about— around this and they will lie about their age isjust around this and they will lie about their age is just a fact. so i — about their age is just a fact. so i think— about their age is just a fact. so i think as matthew says we need — so i think as matthew says we need to— so i think as matthew says we need to have the law that is there. — need to have the law that is there, that is at least sort of a threshold that even if there is a sort _ a threshold that even if there is a sort of light around the edges. _ is a sort of light around the edges, at least there is that sort — edges, at least there is that sort of— edges, at least there is that sort of line in the sand that's being — sort of line in the sand that's being dropped because i know that my— being dropped because i know that my daughter spends too long — that my daughter spends too long and her phone. within likewise _ long and her phone. within likewise i spent too long on my phone, — likewise i spent too long on my phone, so— likewise i spent too long on my phone, so probably a terrible role — phone, so probably a terrible role model for her. 1511 00: