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just before the break the game was level again. rasmus hojlund with the clever finish... ..much to the delight of the new man in the dugout. early in the second half hojlund with his second — the home side back in front. united had several chances to extend their lead but 3—2 is how the game finished. a first win for ruben amorim, the start of a new era. still a long way from the glory days, but the first step of any journey is the most important. nestor mcgregor, bbc news. time for a look at the weather. and if you want to continue watching the bbc news at ten, please turn over to bbc one or you can watch on iplayer. next, it's newsnight.
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tonight — cabinet minister louise haigh says she was convicted of a criminal offence a decade ago — can she survive as transport secretary, and what did keir starmer know and when? on the eve of an historic life and death decision, scores of mps are agonising tonight over how to vote. we speak to two terminally ill patients on different
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sides of the debate. welcome to newsnight, for live late night interviews and debate. the wheels are wobbling in downing street tonight, as questions swirl over the transport secretary. louise haigh has admitted pleading guilty to a criminal offence some years ago. the conservatives say there are serious questions. the mp kit malthouse is here, along with labour's ruthjones. first, newsnight political editor nick watt. what on earth is going on? paddy as you said, that louise haigh a decade ago pleaded guilty to that criminal
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offence, it is relating to a police investigation over a mobile phone that she claimed was stolen. we have a statement from the transport secretary, this dates back to 2013 she said she was mugged on a night out. she was only 26 and described it as terrifying, she reported the incident to police and gave them a list of items she believed had been taken, including a work mobile phone, and then she said, later on she discovered that this had not been taken, she had been given another phone by her office, it was the triggering of that phone, that kindle kindle the police interest, they questioned her and she says her advice was not to comment. she regrets that. she appeared before southwark magistrates and again under the advice of her solicitor, she pleaded guilty, even though she said it was a genuine mistake from which i did not make any gain, she said the magistrate accepted those arguments and gave her the lowest
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possible outcome a discharge. right. 0bviously, possible outcome a discharge. right. obviously, it is horrible to hear of any one being mugged so that is an awful peels of information to get, but, this beings the keir starmer era he has updated the ministerial code, he has come in as mr clean, this looks a bit muddled. i am not following. this looks a bit muddled. i am not followinu. ,, , ., , ., following. questions for the prime minister, following. questions for the prime minister. and _ following. questions for the prime minister, and indeed _ following. questions for the prime minister, and indeed questions - following. questions for the prime minister, and indeed questions for the transport secretary, so louise haigh when she was appointed to the shadow cabinet, she told him about this. so, he knew about it. so the questions that are not being answered tonight is did she tell her permanent secretary when she was appointed to the cabinet and did the prime minister tell the cabinet secretary? the conviction was spent, so, issues there, but why don't we take a look whether this is within the spirit of the ministerial code, which as you say the prime minister updated only earlier this month and why don't we look at how the ministerial code begin, so it talks
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about restoring trust in politics, is the great test of our era. the british people have lost faith in its ability to change their lives for the better. then the code talks about how all ministers are committed to the seven principles in public life. the committed to the seven principles in ublic life. ., ., , . , , public life. the nolan principles. weeks into _ public life. the nolan principles. weeks into this _ public life. the nolan principles. weeks into this government - public life. the nolan principles. weeks into this government we | public life. the nolan principles. i weeks into this government we are talking about the nolan principles which there you are are on the screen. that is openness. holders of public office should act and take decisions in an open and transparent manner. fik. information should not manner. 0k. information should not be with held from the public, you can imagine the conservatives who tonight are describing these as concerning revelations. may well be all over that. kit concerning revelations. may well be all overthat-— all over that. kit malthouse, questions — all over that. kit malthouse, questions for _ all over that. kit malthouse, questions for the _ all over that. kit malthouse, questions for the prime - all over that. kit malthouse, - questions for the prime minister in the morning? it is questions for the prime minister in the morning?— questions for the prime minister in the morning? it is mysterious, like ou i the morning? it is mysterious, like you i can't— the morning? it is mysterious, like you i can't make — the morning? it is mysterious, like you i can't make out _ the morning? it is mysterious, like you i can't make out the _ the morning? it is mysterious, like you i can't make out the story - the morning? it is mysterious, like you i can't make out the story and| you i can't make out the story and it doesn't— you i can't make out the story and it doesn't seem to me realistic, to say that_ it doesn't seem to me realistic, to say that a — it doesn't seem to me realistic, to say that a genuine error was made,
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yet a _ say that a genuine error was made, yet a conviction was secured. and, as i say. _ yet a conviction was secured. and, as i say. it — yet a conviction was secured. and, as i say, it doesn't seem logical. she pleaded guilty? | as i say, it doesn't seem logical. she pleaded guilty?— as i say, it doesn't seem logical. she pleaded guilty? i don't see why she would, finding _ she pleaded guilty? i don't see why she would, finding the _ she pleaded guilty? i don't see why she would, finding the phone - she pleaded guilty? i don't see why she would, finding the phone is - she would, finding the phone is explicable. that quite often happens. so i don't understand why it would _ happens. so i don't understand why it would have proceeded to a prosecution.— it would have proceeded to a prosecution. it would have proceeded to a rosecution. ~ ., ., ~ ., prosecution. well what we do know she said she _ prosecution. well what we do know she said she regrets _ prosecution. well what we do know she said she regrets taking - prosecution. well what we do know she said she regrets taking legal i she said she regrets taking legal advice, but i think you are saying there a sniff in the air, do you think this is bad for keir starmer, it is going to be asked in the morning, do you have confidence in your transport secretary? and what should he say he your transport secretary? and what should he sa— should he say he is going to say absolutely. _ should he say he is going to say absolutely, this _ should he say he is going to say absolutely, this is _ should he say he is going to say absolutely, this is an _ should he say he is going to say absolutely, this is an old - absolutely, this is an old conviction, _ absolutely, this is an old conviction, 2014, - absolutely, this is an old conviction, 2014, she - absolutely, this is an old | conviction, 2014, she was absolutely, this is an old i conviction, 2014, she was a absolutely, this is an old - conviction, 2014, she was a young woman. she — conviction, 2014, she was a young woman, she was mugged. - conviction, 2014, she was a young woman, she was mugged. now. conviction, 2014, she was a young | woman, she was mugged. now the police _ woman, she was mugged. now the police are _ woman, she was mugged. now the police are more _ woman, she was mugged. now the police are more interested - woman, she was mugged. now the police are more interested in - woman, she was mugged. now the police are more interested in the l police are more interested in the phone _ police are more interested in the phone thau— police are more interested in the phone than they _ police are more interested in the phone than they were _ police are more interested in the phone than they were in - police are more interested in the phone than they were in the - police are more interested in the - phone than they were in the mugger, the mugger— phone than they were in the mugger, the mugger i — phone than they were in the mugger, the mugger i don't _ phone than they were in the mugger, the mugger i don't think— phone than they were in the mugger, the mugger i don't think has been. the mugger i don't think has been brought— the mugger i don't think has been brought to — the mugger i don't think has been brought tojustice, _ the mugger i don't think has been brought to justice, this _ the mugger i don't think has been brought to justice, this was - the mugger i don't think has been brought to justice, this was an - brought to justice, this was an issue — brought to justice, this was an issue at— brought to justice, this was an issue at the _ brought to justice, this was an issue at the time, _ brought to justice, this was an issue at the time, yes, - brought to justice, this was an issue at the time, yes, she . brought to justice, this was an. issue at the time, yes, she said brought to justice, this was an i issue at the time, yes, she said i think— issue at the time, yes, she said i think she — issue at the time, yes, she said i think she was _ issue at the time, yes, she said i think she was given _ issue at the time, yes, she said i think she was given bad - issue at the time, yes, she said i think she was given bad advice, i issue at the time, yes, she said i. think she was given bad advice, she said she _ think she was given bad advice, she said she was —
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think she was given bad advice, she said she was for— think she was given bad advice, she said she was for and _ think she was given bad advice, she said she was for and so _ think she was given bad advice, she said she was for and so she - think she was given bad advice, shej said she was for and so she pleaded guilty. _ said she was for and so she pleaded guilty. maybe — said she was for and so she pleaded guilty. mayhe she _ said she was for and so she pleaded guilty, maybe she shouldn't- said she was for and so she pleaded guilty, maybe she shouldn't have i said she was for and so she pleaded i guilty, maybe she shouldn't have but it is a _ guilty, maybe she shouldn't have but it is a spent— guilty, maybe she shouldn't have but it is a spent conviction _ guilty, maybe she shouldn't have but it is a spent conviction and _ guilty, maybe she shouldn't have but it is a spent conviction and she - it is a spent conviction and she dead _ it is a spent conviction and she dead declare _ it is a spent conviction and she dead declare to _ it is a spent conviction and she dead declare to it _ it is a spent conviction and she dead declare to it keir. - it is a spent conviction and she dead declare to it keir. so- it is a spent conviction and she i dead declare to it keir. so things were _ dead declare to it keir. so things were held — dead declare to it keir. so things were held in _ dead declare to it keir. so things were held in...— dead declare to it keir. so things were held in... ~ . ,, ., , were held in... what we know in, she declared it to — were held in... what we know in, she declared it to keir _ were held in... what we know in, she declared it to keir starmer _ were held in... what we know in, she declared it to keir starmer on - declared it to keir starmer on admission to the shadow cabinet but we have not had an answer to the question did she declare it on admission to the cabinet? we haven't had an answer to that.— had an answer to that. these are the auestions had an answer to that. these are the questions that _ had an answer to that. these are the questions that will _ had an answer to that. these are the questions that will be _ had an answer to that. these are the questions that will be swirling i questions that will be swirling round — questions that will be swirling round. �* questions that will be swirling round. . , ., questions that will be swirling round. . ., , _ questions that will be swirling round. . i. ., , _ questions that will be swirling round. . ., , _ m round. are you happy with this? as i sa , i am round. are you happy with this? as i say. i am really _ round. are you happy with this? as i say, i am really struggling _ round. are you happy with this? as i say, i am really struggling to - say, i am really struggling to understand the logic of the as its is, i understand the logic of the as its is. i mean — understand the logic of the as its is, i mean it is a bit ofa understand the logic of the as its is, i mean it is a bit of a test, i is, i mean it is a bit ofa test, i have— is, i mean it is a bit ofa test, i have to— is, i mean it is a bit ofa test, i have to saym _ is, i mean it is a bit of a test, i have to say- - -_ is, i mean it is a bit of a test, i have to say. . .- yes i is, i mean it is a bit of a test, i l have to say. . .- yes and is, i mean it is a bit of a test, i i have to say. . .- yes and a have to say... for him? yes and a handfina have to say... for him? yes and a handling test. _ have to say... for him? yes and a handling test, it _ have to say... for him? yes and a handling test, it is _ have to say... for him? yes and a handling test, it is not _ have to say... for him? yes and a handling test, it is not always i have to say... for him? yes and a handling test, it is not always the | handling test, it is not always the case that— handling test, it is not always the case that governments handle this particularly well, and my recommendation would be total transparency, complete open sea, you know, _ transparency, complete open sea, you know. open— transparency, complete open sea, you know, open sea, does that exist as a word _ know, open sea, does that exist as a word. . . . know, open sea, does that exist as a word-_ she _ know, open sea, does that exist as a word-_ she was. _ know, open sea, does that exist as a word._ she was, she i know, open sea, does that exist as a word._ she was, she has l word. openness. she was, she has told keir as— word. openness. she was, she has told keir as a _ word. openness. she was, she has
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told keir as a shadow _ word. openness. she was, she has told keir as a shadow minister, i word. openness. she was, she has| told keir as a shadow minister, how many— told keir as a shadow minister, how many times— told keir as a shadow minister, how many times do _ told keir as a shadow minister, how many times do you _ told keir as a shadow minister, how many times do you have _ told keir as a shadow minister, how many times do you have to - told keir as a shadow minister, how many times do you have to tell- many times do you have to tell somebody? _ many times do you have to tell somebody? it— many times do you have to tell somebody? it is— many times do you have to tell somebody? it is a _ many times do you have to tell somebody? it is a spent- many times do you have to tell- somebody? it is a spent conviction. what _ somebody? it is a spent conviction. what is _ somebody? it is a spent conviction. what is the — somebody? it is a spent conviction. what is the problem _ somebody? it is a spent conviction. what is the problem here? - somebody? it is a spent conviction. what is the problem here? we i somebody? it is a spent conviction. what is the problem here? we talk| what is the problem here? we talk about— what is the problem here? we talk about you — what is the problem here? we talk about you know— what is the problem here? we talk about you know rehabilitation i what is the problem here? we talk about you know rehabilitation of. about you know rehabilitation of offenders — about you know rehabilitation of offenders and _ about you know rehabilitation of offenders and we _ about you know rehabilitation of offenders and we don't - about you know rehabilitation of offenders and we don't have i about you know rehabilitation of offenders and we don't have toi about you know rehabilitation of- offenders and we don't have to keep going _ offenders and we don't have to keep going on— offenders and we don't have to keep going on and — offenders and we don't have to keep going on and on— offenders and we don't have to keep going on and on about _ offenders and we don't have to keep going on and on about something i offenders and we don't have to keep. going on and on about something that happened _ going on and on about something that happened in_ going on and on about something that happened in the — going on and on about something that happened in the past. _ going on and on about something that happened in the past. you _ going on and on about something that happened in the past.— happened in the past. you are allowed under _ happened in the past. you are allowed under the _ happened in the past. you are i allowed under the rehabilitation of offenders act to say no in answer to the question do you have convictions but there are distinction, midwives, people involved in law enforcement, but any way what we are all predicting here is more to come torment and in tonight's papers but i want to ask you before we move on, about the mood of mps, before this news broke, on the eve of the historic vote on assisted dying. i spent hours talking to mps about in the last few weeks and i am there for the late—night votes, they see me, so what i am finding is when i talk to mps they say nick what is going to happen? if mps are asking me what is going to happen, that means it is very difficult to
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devine. what i would say is talking to mps on the side that is in favour, if they say even who has pledged to them, sticks by they and turns up they they will win, on the anti—side, what they are saying is they think they are behind, by figures in the low single figures but their hope of getting this across the line is that the don't knows, they think that means you are uncertain, and if you are encertain on such a monumental decision they think the uncertains will turn into noes. some of these are very new labour mps, this is the biggest test of their life. some will wait to see what the boss does,— of their life. some will wait to see what the boss does, there is 170 mps who have asked _ what the boss does, there is 170 mps who have asked to _ what the boss does, there is 170 mps who have asked to speak— what the boss does, there is 170 mps who have asked to speak tomorrow, i who have asked to speak tomorrow, which is a huge number, the debate could last a maximum of five hours which means they don't get very long, the speaker is making it very clear that the country is going to
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be watching parliament very carefully, so respect should be shown, is as i understand it the view of the speaker. the view from downing street has been the prime minister won't say what he is going to do, and you will only find out when he does his vote in the house of commons, but interestingly, the prime minister was asked about this as a press conference, and he referred back to his time as director of public prosecutions when he spent five years looking into this, and interestingly, that was when he changed the guideline, he said that if you acted in the interest of a family member, no convict should be, if you acted to coerce you would face the full force of law and it was that approach that prompted the prime minister to give a lengthy speech when this was last debated on, in 2015, and the fact that he is references that, means that he is references that, means that many people, we don't know, think that what the prime minister said today, they think that means he is preparing the ground for explaining a yes vote. why don't we listen to what he had to say. why don't we listen
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to what he had to say. in relation to assisted dying, look, the vote is coming up tomorrow, obviously. the government is neutral on this, and it is a genuinely free vote for all members of parliament, and i don't want to put pressure on them. i have honestly got a huge amount of interest and experience in this, having looked at every single case for five years that was ever investigated, and, you know, i wi
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