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redress is coercion and the only redress is after_ coercion and the only redress is after they— coercion and the only redress is after they have ended their life that are — after they have ended their life that are relative might be prosecuted. that might be in relative — prosecuted. that might be in relative who is in highly innocent or they— relative who is in highly innocent or they might be malevolent. the bill actually offers more protection on that— bill actually offers more protection on that not less. . the reaction from andy slaughter. you're going to bring some views from people on the other side of this argument. there are some very real concerns been aired early in the chamber. as you can see from the closeness of that right back, 330 in favour, 275 against. this was not a slam dunk for mp5 managed to stretch. there are those who clearly do have concerns about this bill and we will be speaking some of them about what he next steps offer them are too the afternoon. l about what he next steps offer them are too the afternoon.— are too the afternoon. i swear to brin: in are too the afternoon. i swear to bring in the _ are too the afternoon. i swear to bring in the statement _ are too the afternoon. i swear to bring in the statement from - are too the afternoon. i swear to bring in the statement from the | are too the afternoon. i swear to - bring in the statement from the ceo from the uk toby porto who says mps today have abundantly clear that
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palliative and end—of—life care in the uk is currently not efficient and people are not getting the care they need. this must change. he says that we have said before that it is intolerable that anyone might choose an assisted death because of a fear that they were not to get the care they need. that three at present is real and justified. the government must act now and in the long term to changes. —— that fear is real and justified. the ceo goes on to say that today's vote has monumental ramifications and in their further stages of the parliamentary process that will follow, it is absolutely critical. the mp seeks to understand and engage with the detail of the very significant challenges that have been raised with the draft bill. you will have had if you are watching the debate earlier, some mps say that after the last vote on assisted dying in 2015 which was not passed by mps, they felt that the
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conversation around end—of—life care, palliative care had somewhat been forgotten. so, the ceo of hospice uk is concluding his statement by saying that mps have approved the bill is presented in principle but approval in principle and implementation in practice are very different things. let me just regulate how you just to remind you that a couple of mps, eight of what happens next, when very clear that because they have voted in some instances for this bill, it does not necessarily mean that the bill maintains their support from their own depending on how discussions go. let's go outside the houses of parliament to my colleague. hello, i need to. parliament to my colleague. hello, i need t0- we — parliament to my colleague. hello, i need to. we are _ parliament to my colleague. hello, i need to. we are at _ parliament to my colleague. hello, i need to. we are at the _ parliament to my colleague. hello, i need to. we are at the road - parliament to my colleague. hello, i need to. we are at the road where i need to. we are at the road where those against the bill have been protesting. it has been very quiet and there are a lot of very emotional people around here who had
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these a few minutes ago and it did for silent. there's lots of chanting again and a passionate feeling that this is wrong. it now it is very quiet and subdued. let's get a couple of people's reactions. pauline, first of all, what was your reaction when you have the votes? deeply disappointed. what reaction when you have the votes? deeply disappointed.— deeply disappointed. what was it that ou deeply disappointed. what was it that you most — deeply disappointed. what was it that you most felt _ deeply disappointed. what was it that you most felt most - deeply disappointed. what was it that you most felt most strongly| that you most felt most strongly about is why this should not go three? , ., , ., about is why this should not go three? , ., . ., about is why this should not go three? , . ., , three? this has a impact on people who are vulnerable _ three? this has a impact on people who are vulnerable who _ three? this has a impact on people who are vulnerable who will- three? this has a impact on people who are vulnerable who will very i who are vulnerable who will very quickly _ who are vulnerable who will very quickly from going to having a right to doubt— quickly from going to having a right to doubt you have no duty to die for fear of— to doubt you have no duty to die for fear of of— to doubt you have no duty to die for fear of of becoming a a birdie we need _ fear of of becoming a a birdie we need to— fear of of becoming a a birdie we need to continue to care for them and love — need to continue to care for them and love them. this is not the answer— and love them. this is not the answer to— and love them. this is not the answer to it. and love them. this is not the answerto it. —— and love them. this is not the answer to it. —— for fear of becoming _ answer to it. —— for fear of becoming a burden. today, i heard a story— becoming a burden. today, i heard a story from _ becoming a burden. today, i heard a story from someone else here. he said that _ story from someone else here. he said that the son of his friend had
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said that the son of his friend had said that — said that the son of his friend had said that this is my last christmas. wheh _ said that this is my last christmas. when asked why, he said, i am disabled, — when asked why, he said, i am disabled, i_ when asked why, he said, i am disabled, iam in when asked why, he said, i am disabled, i am in a care when asked why, he said, i am disabled, iam in a care home when asked why, he said, i am disabled, i am in a care home and when asked why, he said, i am disabled, iam in a care home and i need— disabled, iam in a care home and i need care — disabled, iam in a care home and i need care i— disabled, iam in a care home and i need care. i have a duty to die now. i do need care. i have a duty to die now. i do not _ need care. i have a duty to die now. i do not feel— need care. i have a duty to die now. i do not feel that this bill has enough safeguards in it to stop that, that feeling of creep that this is now going to go down a slippery slope? this is now going to go down a slippery shape?— this is now going to go down a slippery slope? absolutely. it is auoin to slippery slope? absolutely. it is going to go _ slippery slope? absolutely. it is going to go further. _ slippery slope? absolutely. it is going to go further. you - slippery slope? absolutely. it is going to go further. you cannot| going to go further. you cannot safeguard — going to go further. you cannot safeguard against what starts off been _ safeguard against what starts off been a _ safeguard against what starts off been a choice and ends up becoming a duty _ been a choice and ends up becoming a duty what _ been a choice and ends up becoming a duty. what starts off as being limited — duty. what starts off as being limited is seen then as discriminatory and the scope will be widened _ discriminatory and the scope will be widened. , ., ,, , ., �* ., widened. john smith, you're not in our widened. john smith, you're not in your head- — widened. john smith, you're not in your head. what _ widened. john smith, you're not in your head. what is _ widened. john smith, you're not in your head. what is your _ widened. john smith, you're not in your head. what is your reaction, l your head. what is your reaction, john? �* . your head. what is your reaction, john? . . , . john? anger and disappointment that the did not john? anger and disappointment that they did not listen _ john? anger and disappointment that they did not listen to _ john? anger and disappointment that they did not listen to our— they did not listen to our arguments _ they did not listen to our arguments. the - they did not listen to our arguments. the social. they did not listen to our.
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arguments. the social care they did not listen to our- arguments. the social care system they did not listen to our— arguments. the social care system is broken _ arguments. the social care system is broken the — arguments. the social care system is broken the nhs— arguments. the social care system is broken. the nhs is— arguments. the social care system is broken. the nhs is underfunded, - broken. the nhs is underfunded, palliative — broken. the nhs is underfunded, palliative care, _ broken. the nhs is underfunded, palliative care, hospices, - broken. the nhs is underfunded, palliative care, hospices, it - broken. the nhs is underfunded, palliative care, hospices, it is - broken. the nhs is underfunded, palliative care, hospices, it is a l palliative care, hospices, it is a postcode — palliative care, hospices, it is a postcode lottery _ palliative care, hospices, it is a postcode lottery for _ palliative care, hospices, it is a postcode lottery for people. . palliative care, hospices, it is aj postcode lottery for people. on palliative care, hospices, it is a - postcode lottery for people. on top of it now. _ postcode lottery for people. on top of it now, they've _ postcode lottery for people. on top of it now, they've put _ postcode lottery for people. on top of it now, they've put what - postcode lottery for people. on top of it now, they've put what they- of it now, they've put what they have _ of it now, they've put what they have got — of it now, they've put what they have got their _ of it now, they've put what they have got their choice _ of it now, they've put what they have got their choice for - of it now, they've put what they. have got their choice for assisted dying _ have got their choice for assisted dying when _ have got their choice for assisted dying. when you've _ have got their choice for assisted dying. when you've got - have got their choice for assisted dying. when you've got social- have got their choice for assisted i dying. when you've got social care and all _ dying. when you've got social care and all of — dying. when you've got social care and all of these _ dying. when you've got social care and all of these other— dying. when you've got social care and all of these other services - dying. when you've got social care and all of these other services are | and all of these other services are in disarray. — and all of these other services are in disarray. how— and all of these other services are in disarray, how is— and all of these other services are in disarray, how is that _ and all of these other services are in disarray, how is that a - and all of these other services are in disarray, how is that a choice? i in disarray, how is that a choice? coercion, — in disarray, how is that a choice? coercion, they— in disarray, how is that a choice? coercion, they said _ in disarray, how is that a choice? coercion, they said that - in disarray, how is that a choice? coercion, they said that coercion| coercion, they said that coercion you would — coercion, they said that coercion you would just _ coercion, they said that coercion you would just ask— coercion, they said that coercion you would just ask the _ coercion, they said that coercion you would just ask the person i coercion, they said that coercion| you would just ask the person do they feel— you would just ask the person do they feel coerced? _ you would just ask the person do they feel coerced? if— you would just ask the person do they feel coerced? if you - you would just ask the person do they feel coerced? if you are - you would just ask the person do i they feel coerced? if you are living in dire _ they feel coerced? if you are living in dire straits _ they feel coerced? if you are living in dire straits and _ they feel coerced? if you are living in dire straits and a _ they feel coerced? if you are living in dire straits and a hat— they feel coerced? if you are living in dire straits and a hat you - they feel coerced? if you are living in dire straits and a hat you are - in dire straits and a hat you are terminally— in dire straits and a hat you are terminally ill— in dire straits and a hat you are terminally ill and _ in dire straits and a hat you are terminally ill and your- in dire straits and a hat you are terminally ill and your supporti in dire straits and a hat you are. terminally ill and your support is being _ terminally ill and your support is being taken— terminally ill and your support is being taken away— terminally ill and your support is being taken away and _ terminally ill and your support is being taken away and you're - terminally ill and your support is. being taken away and you're being assessed, — being taken away and you're being assessed, that _ being taken away and you're being assessed, that is _ being taken away and you're being assessed, that is coercion. - being taken away and you're being assessed, that is coercion. this. assessed, that is coercion. this government— assessed, that is coercion. this government is— assessed, that is coercion. this government is supporting - assessed, that is coercion. this- government is supporting coercion. i am angry— government is supporting coercion. i am angry and — government is supporting coercion. i am angryand it— government is supporting coercion. i am angryand it is— government is supporting coercion. i am angry and it is not _ government is supporting coercion. i am angry and it is not over. - government is supporting coercion. i am angry and it is not over.- am angry and it is not over. thank ou ve am angry and it is not over. thank you very much. — am angry and it is not over. thank you very much, johnson _ am angry and it is not over. thank you very much, johnson smith - am angry and it is not over. thank| you very much, johnson smith and pauling. we really appreciate your time. as you can see here, we are strong arguments. we'll be hearing voices from the other strikes of the street and the other side of the arguments. and also from those who
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celebrating the retention of the common law. —— mark the other side of the street. common law. -- mark the other side of the street-— of the street. let's head straight back into the _ of the street. let's head straight back into the other— of the street. let's head straight back into the other the - of the street. let's head straight back into the other the houses i of the street. let's head straight| back into the other the houses of parliament. back into the other the houses of parliament-— back into the other the houses of parliament. ., , ., ., . parliament. how you feeling now that has passed? — parliament. how you feeling now that has passed? a _ parliament. how you feeling now that has passed? a bit _ parliament. how you feeling now that has passed? a bit overwhelmed, - parliament. how you feeling now that has passed? a bit overwhelmed, to i parliament. how you feeling now that | has passed? a bit overwhelmed, to be honest. has passed? a bit overwhelmed, to be honest- every — has passed? a bit overwhelmed, to be honest. every emotional— has passed? a bit overwhelmed, to be honest. every emotional day _ has passed? a bit overwhelmed, to be honest. every emotional day on - has passed? a bit overwhelmed, to be honest. every emotional day on top i honest. every emotional day on top of an— honest. every emotional day on top of an emotion number of months. i never— of an emotion number of months. i never even — of an emotion number of months. i never even wanted to be an mp, but to look. _ never even wanted to be an mp, but to look. we — never even wanted to be an mp, but to look, we seen parliamentary is best let _ to look, we seen parliamentary is best let to— to look, we seen parliamentary is best let to net —— like today, very compassionate and respectful irrespective of the view is that people — irrespective of the view is that people hold. we take the bill to the next eight _ people hold. we take the bill to the next eight and continue the process and it— next eight and continue the process and it will— next eight and continue the process and it will be a very thorough process _ and it will be a very thorough process. it will beginning to champing or issues spoken about today, _ champing or issues spoken about today, rather it is the right to palliative _ today, rather it is the right to palliative care comments i would people — palliative care comments i would people i— palliative care comments i would people. i look forward to working with colleagues to achieve the many things— with colleagues to achieve the many things that we have discussed today. what is _ things that we have discussed today. what is the _ things that we have discussed today. what is the next step for you as it goes through committee stage? you've
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already asked that that committee is able to take evidence for example but what else are you going to do to try one of the commons with you? it is a pretty split vote today. absolutely. i want to help everybody for that _ absolutely. i want to help everybody for that i_ absolutely. i want to help everybody for that i believe the bill is in a very— for that i believe the bill is in a very good _ for that i believe the bill is in a very good place but if there are many _ very good place but if there are many ways i need to be put forward. let's _ many ways i need to be put forward. let's have _ many ways i need to be put forward. let's have a — many ways i need to be put forward. let's have a conversation i would take _ let's have a conversation i would take written and oral evidence and -et take written and oral evidence and get a _ take written and oral evidence and get a very— take written and oral evidence and get a very robust build committee to scrutinise _ get a very robust build committee to scrutinise the bill and make it the best that — scrutinise the bill and make it the best that it possibly can be. it will be — best that it possibly can be. it will be long and could be another six months for them as i said in my speech, _ six months for them as i said in my speech, there is a two—year limitation— speech, there is a two—year limitation period so there is plenty of time _ limitation period so there is plenty of time to— limitation period so there is plenty of time to get this right and i understand that people in the media has been _ understand that people in the media has been a _ understand that people in the media has been a bit concerned about process— has been a bit concerned about process and how it all works but we've _ process and how it all works but we've got — process and how it all works but we've got to pass a second reading and it— we've got to pass a second reading and it is— we've got to pass a second reading and it is our— we've got to pass a second reading and it is ourjob to make this happen— and it is ourjob to make this happen for the many people that i know— happen for the many people that i know that — happen for the many people that i know that it means so much to. canl know that it means so much to. can i ask it was anything _ know that it means so much to. can i ask it was anything that _ know that it means so much to. (1521 i ask it was anything that you had
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from credits that give you pause or thought on this and when you think that may be that changing? there is nothin: that may be that changing? there is nothing specific. _ that may be that changing? there is nothing specific. but _ that may be that changing? there is nothing specific. but all— that may be that changing? there is nothing specific. but all the - that may be that changing? there is nothing specific. but all the voices i nothing specific. but all the voices need _ nothing specific. but all the voices need to— nothing specific. but all the voices need to be — nothing specific. but all the voices need to be had. whether it is around the nhs _ need to be had. whether it is around the nhs palliative care. all those things. _ the nhs palliative care. all those things, let us do it well and holistically. also, let us to listen to terminally ill people and several has come — to terminally ill people and several has come down today and people have lost loved _ has come down today and people have lost loved ones in harrowing circumstances. parliament has continued _ circumstances. parliament has continued doing itsjob i will continue _ continued doing itsjob i will continue to do so as it has done today — continue to do so as it has done toda . continue to do so as it has done toda _ ., continue to do so as it has done toda . ., , ., . i. today. some of the store that you have told today. _ today. some of the store that you have told today. that _ today. some of the store that you have told today. that meant - today. some of the store that you have told today. that meant they| have told today. that meant they were pretty harrowing. you must have had to listen to some pretty harrowing stories over the past few months for does it mean to you to you to go back to their families and say that i've got this far? it you to go back to their families and say that i've got this far?— say that i've got this far? it means a hue say that i've got this far? it means a huge amount- — say that i've got this far? it means a huge amount. i _ say that i've got this far? it means a huge amount. i spend _ say that i've got this far? it means a huge amount. i spend 90% - say that i've got this far? it means a huge amount. i spend 90% of i say that i've got this far? it means| a huge amount. i spend 9096 of my a huge amount. i spend 90% of my time _ a huge amount. i spend 90% of my time talking about death which a huge
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