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from harm, and yet we stand on the brink of abandoning that role. relief for supporters outside as mp5 back their cause. but deep disappointment for opponents. we'll bring you all the reaction after this landmark vote that could enshrine the right for terminally ill people to choose the time of their own death. also on the programme... louise haigh resigns as transport secretary after revelations she'd pleaded guilty to a criminal offence involving a mobile phone. more people come forward with allegations that tv host gregg wallace made inappropriate sexual comments. and the gleaming interior of paris's notre dame cathedral, fully restored after a devastating fire. and on bbc london, a busy black
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friday, but there is a desperate plea from small shops to use them or lose them in the lead up to christmas. good evening from westminster, where mps have taken a historic step towards legalising assisted dying in england and wales. there were five hours of highly impassioned and emotional debate among mps in parliamentjust behind me, and the result could mark one of the biggest social changes this country has seen for decades. it represents the first step in giving terminally ill people the right to choose to end their own life. and in recognition of the magnitude of their decision, the result was met by mps not with cheers of approval but with complete silence. it was a free vote, meaning that mps could vote with their conscience as opposed to following party orders. and here's what the numbers looked like. 330 mp5 voted in favour of the bill.
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275 voted against it. that's a majority of 55. and here's what the bill contains. it says that those over the age of 18 who want to end their own life must be expected to die within six months. they must have two doctors and a high courtjudge to approve the decision. and then a patient would have to wait 1a days before administering the medication themselves to end their life. but there are still many months of parliamentary activity to go before the bill can become law. in a moment we'll talk to our medical editor fergus walsh and to our political editor chris mason about what happens next. but first, here's vicki young on how the day unfolded. our voice, our choice. they came to westminster to have their say. to make their final pleas to mp5.
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assista nce assistance to live, not to die. powerful voices and personal experiences on both sides of this debate. don't do this. it is the wrong way to go. they are playing roulette with our lives in the future, and they should stop. but for others, it's about choosing the way they'll die. jenny has terminal cancer. changing the law to find a more humane way to die, to allow my children to see me in a peaceful state, would be so much betterfor them. order! this isn't a government bill. it's been introduced by labour mp kim leadbeater, so mps have no party orders to follow. any one of us or our loved ones could be unfortunate or unlucky enough to receive a terminal diagnosis. and i struggle to see how it is fair orjust to deny anyone the autonomy, dignity and personal choice that we might want to take control of our final weeks. i agree with the honourable gentleman... but many
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mps worry that some terminally ill patients will be pressured into taking this path. people do not generally write letters to sick relatives urging them to consider assisted suicide, and then put the letter on file. and coercion in the family context can be about not what you say, but about what you don't say. mary kelly foy spoke about maria, her late disabled daughter. i am filled with dread and fear- for those other people like maria, who are nonverbal and don't have that capacity. - and what might happen to to others like maria if they aren't _ loved and cared for. and there are limits 0 palliative care... others focused on terminally ill patients whose pain can't be alleviated. currently for these patients, we can offer no agency
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over their end, no alternative to this terrifying death. can we truly say that's compassionate if we don't pass the bill today we are cornering all those people. we are trapping them with the law against their disease and consigning them to an end of torture and degradation which they do not wish to go through. but whatever happens today, terminal people will still take their own lives. all we are deciding today is how. the patchy provision of end—of—life care was a concern for several mps. you can be certain, and i mean absolutely certain, that those nhs trusts with the weakest palliative care offer will be those with the highest incidence of people choosing to die. in other words, it was not really their choice at all. when i was six years old... as a child, marie tidball was in hospital and in pain. she recalls telling her parents she wanted to die. that moment made it clear to me that if this bill was about intolerable suffering,
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i would not be voting for it. but that moment also gave me a glimpse of how i would want to live my death, just as i've lived my life empowered by choices available to me, living that death with the dignity and respect. this was the kind of debate that doesn't happen often here — personal, emotional, and with repercussions for millions. order! the result was heard in silence by mps crammed into the commons. the ayes to the right, 330. the noes to the left, 275. for the mp behind the bill, there was a sense of relief. a bit overwhelmed, to be honest. that's been a really emotional day, on top of an emotional number of months. um, and i never even wanted to be an mp. but look, we've shown parliament in its best light today. very respectful, very compassionate debate. irrespective of the different views that people hold. this bill has passed
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its first hurdle. but there will now be several months of debate as mp5 pore over the details. it heralds a huge societal change in the way that the terminally ill approach their final days. today, mps approved the principle of assisted dying. now parliament and the government must find a way to make it work in practice. vicki young, bbc news, westminster. as we saw in vicki's report there, crowds of campaigners both for and against the bill gathered outside parliament during the debate. our medical editor fergus walsh has been getting their reaction to the vote. a truly historic moment. during cheering and look what it means to campaigners for assisted dying. among them, luiz who is terminally ill with advanced breast cancer. i am in complete shock. what -
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ill with advanced breast cancer. i - am in complete shock. what does this mean for you — am in complete shock. what does this mean for you personally? _ am in complete shock. what does this mean for you personally? it _ am in complete shock. what does this mean for you personally? it is - am in complete shock. what does this mean for you personally? it is going l mean for you personally? it is going to take a couple of years, so it is unlikely i will get to die at home. but it means the world that people i love and thousands of people will get to choose. christie, who also has advanced breast cancer, was here with her husband. i am has advanced breast cancer, was here with her husband.— with her husband. i am so 'oyous. i believe we — with her husband. i am so 'oyous. i believe we are i with her husband. i am so 'oyous. i believe we are on the _ with her husband. i am so joyous. i believe we are on the path - with her husband. i am so joyous. i believe we are on the path to - believe we are on the path to something compassionate and caring, and something that so many people will benefit from. find and something that so many people will benefit from.— will benefit from. and what about for ou will benefit from. and what about for you personally? _ will benefit from. and what about for you personally? for _ will benefit from. and what about for you personally? for me, - will benefit from. and what about for you personally? for me, i- will benefit from. and what about for you personally? for me, i for| for you personally? for me, i for the first time _ for you personally? for me, i for the first time have _ for you personally? for me, i for the first time have a _ for you personally? for me, i for the first time have a little - for you personally? for me, i for the first time have a little bit - for you personally? for me, i for the first time have a little bit ofl the first time have a little bit of hope _ the first time have a little bit of hope i— the first time have a little bit of hope i might make it in time to actually— hope i might make it in time to actually use this. i dare to dream that that — actually use this. i dare to dream that that might be the case. this is a hu:el that that might be the case. this is a hugely important _ that that might be the case. this is a hugely important moment - that that might be the case. this is a hugely important moment for - that that might be the case. this is| a hugely important moment for the terminally ill, theirfamilies
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a hugely important moment for the terminally ill, their families and for society. terminally ill, their families and forsociety. it terminally ill, their families and for society. it sets england and wales on a path to join countries like australia, new zealand and some us states which offer a choice at the end of life. for supporters, it is about compassion, autonomy and dignity. for opponents, it is a dangerous step which will undermine the rights of the vulnerable. the a es to the rights of the vulnerable. the ayes to the _ the rights of the vulnerable. iie: ayes to the right, 330... disability activist liz carr says the fight to stop the bill goes on. of course i'm gutted. i'm exhausted. i think— of course i'm gutted. i'm exhausted. i think everybody is. and we just know_ i think everybody is. and we just know we — i think everybody is. and we just know we have to fight ahead. yes, they have — know we have to fight ahead. yes, they have spoken today. it is not they have spoken today. it is not the end — they have spoken today. it is not the end of— they have spoken today. it is not the end of the road, doesn't mean it is teqatised. — the end of the road, doesn't mean it is legalised, so we still have chances _ is legalised, so we still have chances to go, listen, these are the very real— chances to go, listen, these are the very real concerns.— very real concerns. daniel's mum died of breast _ very real concerns. daniel's mum died of breast cancer— very real concerns. daniel's mum died of breast cancer two - very real concerns. daniel's mum died of breast cancer two years i very real concerns. daniel's mum i died of breast cancer two years ago. from what i saw with my mother, when
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she was— from what i saw with my mother, when she was in_ from what i saw with my mother, when she was in her— from what i saw with my mother, when she was in her last _ from what i saw with my mother, when she was in her last six _ from what i saw with my mother, when she was in her last six months - from what i saw with my mother, when she was in her last six months to- she was in her last six months to live, _ she was in her last six months to live, she — she was in her last six months to live, she was _ she was in her last six months to live, she was exceedingly - live, she was exceedingly vulnerable. _ live, she was exceedingly vulnerable. every- live, she was exceedingly vulnerable. every time i live, she was exceedingly. vulnerable. every time she live, she was exceedingly - vulnerable. every time she went to see her— vulnerable. every time she went to see her oncologist, _ vulnerable. every time she went to see her oncologist, she _ vulnerable. every time she went to see her oncologist, she found - vulnerable. every time she went to see her oncologist, she found out. see her oncologist, she found out how long — see her oncologist, she found out how long she had _ see her oncologist, she found out how long she had left— see her oncologist, she found out how long she had left to - see her oncologist, she found out how long she had left to live, - see her oncologist, she found out how long she had left to live, andj how long she had left to live, and in that— how long she had left to live, and in that most— how long she had left to live, and in that most vulnerable _ how long she had left to live, and in that most vulnerable moment, j how long she had left to live, and i in that most vulnerable moment, for a doctor— in that most vulnerable moment, for a doctor to _ in that most vulnerable moment, for a doctor to say— in that most vulnerable moment, for a doctor to say to— in that most vulnerable moment, for a doctor to say to you, _ in that most vulnerable moment, for a doctor to say to you, why- in that most vulnerable moment, for a doctor to say to you, why don't - a doctor to say to you, why don't you consider— a doctor to say to you, why don't you consider killing _ a doctor to say to you, why don't you consider killing yourself- a doctor to say to you, why don't you consider killing yourself is i a doctor to say to you, why don't. you consider killing yourself is not something — you consider killing yourself is not something that _ you consider killing yourself is not something that i _ you consider killing yourself is not something that i think— you consider killing yourself is not something that i think should - you consider killing yourself is not something that i think should be i you consider killing yourself is not i something that i think should be on the statute — something that i think should be on the statute books— something that i think should be on the statute books of— something that i think should be on the statute books of this _ something that i think should be on the statute books of this country. . the statute books of this country. the placards— the statute books of this country. the placards are _ the statute books of this country. the placards are being _ the statute books of this country. the placards are being packed . the statute books of this country. . the placards are being packed away for now, but the passionate debate will continue. if the bill becomes law, it could be another two to three years before the first assisted death in england and wales. fergus walsh, bbc news, westminster. one of the most prominent supporters pushing for a change to the law is television presenter esther rantzen, who was suffering from terminal cancer. she told the bbc the change in the law is unlikely to come in time for her to have an assisted death at home, but she welcomed what it may bring for others.— it may bring for others. people will make their — it may bring for others. people will make their own _ it may bring for others. people will
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make their own choice, _ it may bring for others. people will make their own choice, and - it may bring for others. people will make their own choice, and if- it may bring for others. people will make their own choice, and if it's l make their own choice, and if it's available to them and they choose an assisted death, and they're six months away from dying in any case, i think it's right, i think it's fair, i think it'sjust. i think it's right, i think it's fair, i think it's just. whatever their background, whatever their income, whatever their ethnic group, whatever their belief, i think everybody should have the choice. well, fergus walsh is with me now, as is chris. chris, first of all to you. what sort of thing have mps been saying to you privately? i sort of thing have mps been saying to you privately?— sort of thing have mps been saying to you privately? i spent most of my working life — to you privately? i spent most of my working life reporting _ to you privately? i spent most of my working life reporting on _ working life reporting on parliament, and today felt like a standout moment, a moment where parliament collectively rose with a sense of self—awareness to the magnitude of the occasion. it wasn't the normal partisan party politics. you heard expansive, passionate arguments for five consecutive hours, and speaking to mp5 immediately afterwards privately,
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firstly they on both sides were drawn to that moment of silence immediately after the result was read out, a deafening silence, because normally after a vote it is incredibly noisy. those who had backed the change felt it was a respectful nod to the potential magnitude of what is coming. those on the other side felt it was a collective sense of gosh, what have we done here. the other thing that i noted speaking to some of those who had backed this change today is they were saying they wouldn't necessarily back it at later stages, so there are some on both sides of the argument with passionate and very set views, and some who would see themselves in the middle who are still open to persuasion either way, and it still underlines that central point that this is the start of a debate to come rather than the end of it. , ., ., , , of it. fergus, what might happen next? for what _ of it. fergus, what might happen next? for what is _ of it. fergus, what might happen next? for what is arguably - of it. fergus, what might happen next? for what is arguably the i next? for what is arguably the bi est next? for what is arguably the biggest social _ next? for what is arguably the biggest social change - next? for what is arguably the biggest social change since - next? for what is arguably the | biggest social change since the abortion— biggest social change since the abortion act in 1967, there is a lot
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to abortion act in1967, there is a lot to sort— abortion act in 1967, there is a lot to sort out, — abortion act in 1967, there is a lot to sort out, and the government, which _ to sort out, and the government, which has — to sort out, and the government, which has been neutral on this issue. — which has been neutral on this issue. is— which has been neutral on this issue, is going to have to look at the impact _ issue, is going to have to look at the impact. the impact on the nhs, on hospices. — the impact. the impact on the nhs, on hospices, on the health care service — on hospices, on the health care service and _ on hospices, on the health care service and the judiciary. health care workers can opt out of being involved. — care workers can opt out of being involved, but it will take two doctors _ involved, but it will take two doctors to approve each application, plus a _ doctors to approve each application, plus a high — doctors to approve each application, plus a high courtjudge. it is part of a growing trend since 2015 when mps last— of a growing trend since 2015 when mps last voted and rejected it, more and more _ mps last voted and rejected it, more and more jurisdictions around the world _ and more jurisdictions around the world have — and more jurisdictions around the world have grappled with this issue and introduced a right to die. california, _ and introduced a right to die. california, new zealand, spain, austria. — california, new zealand, spain, austria, new zealand. so it is a huge _ austria, new zealand. so it is a huge moment, but as chris and others have said. _ huge moment, but as chris and others have said. it's— huge moment, but as chris and others have said, it's not law yet, and there _ have said, it's not law yet, and there is— have said, it's not law yet, and there is a — have said, it's not law yet, and there is a long way to go.- have said, it's not law yet, and there is a long way to go. chris and fer us, there is a long way to go. chris and fergus. thank _ there is a long way to go. chris and fergus, thank you _ there is a long way to go. chris and fergus, thank you both _ there is a long way to go. chris and fergus, thank you both very - there is a long way to go. chris and fergus, thank you both very much l fergus, thank you both very much indeed. now, in a separate development here in westminster, downing street has said the prime minister accepted
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the former transport secretary louise haigh's resignation after "further information" emerged relating to a criminal offence to which she pleaded guilty a decade ago. writing to sir keir starmer, louise haigh said she did not want to be a distraction. the prime minister's official spokesman refused to respond to questions about what sir keir starmer had known about louise haigh's conviction before yesterday. here's iain watson. this is how the fate of a mobile phone — this is how the fate of a mobile phone a — this is how the fate of a mobile phone a decade ago called time on louise _ phone a decade ago called time on louise haigh's cabinet career today. keir starmer accepted the resignation of the news of a spent conviction became public. 15 years ago, she was a special constable, but the roots of her resignation can be traced back to when she contacted police in 2013. she was the victim of a mugging and told police something was missing.
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they say he knew the full story of her conviction before he appointed her conviction before he appointed her to the shadow cabinet, never mind the actual cabinet. and they accused him of not being willing to spend political capital defending her. it spend political capital defending her. , ., spend political capital defending her. ,, spend political capital defending her. «i her. it feels at least like he has anicked her. it feels at least like he has panicked in _ her. it feels at least like he has panicked in the _ her. it feels at least like he has panicked in the face _ her. it feels at least like he has panicked in the face of- her. it feels at least like he has panicked in the face of some i her. it feels at least like he has - panicked in the face of some media attack on one of the most effective cabinet ministers he has got. she has already steered through legislation to bring the railways into public ownership. but legislation to bring the railways into public ownership.— legislation to bring the railways into public ownership. but now her fraud conviction _ into public ownership. but now her fraud conviction has _ into public ownership. but now her fraud conviction has come - into public ownership. but now her fraud conviction has come to - into public ownership. but now her fraud conviction has come to light, the conservatives are questioning why keir starmer appointed her in the first place. why keir starmer appointed her in the first place-— the first place. sounds like keir starmer appointed _ the first place. sounds like keir starmer appointed her - the first place. sounds like keir starmer appointed her in - the first place. sounds like keir starmer appointed her in full. starmer appointed her in full knowledge of this background so was that the right decision? i think most of my constituents would think that was a questionable decision. but downing street say the prime minister only accepted her resignation when further information emerged, they won't specify what this is. we do know she didn't
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inform the relevant civil servants of her events when she became a cabinet minister. she had resigned from aviva when the work phone went missing and told it had been carrying out an internal investigation though the company won't comment. louise haigh didn't always see eye to eye with keir starmer but it was a past events and not current performance that derailed her cabinet career. i will have more on today's historic vote later in the programme but now it is back to jane in the studio with the rest of today's news. thanks, reeta. more people have come forward with allegations that the tv presenter gregg wallace made inappropriate sexual comments while working on a number of different programmes. yesterday, following a bbc news investigation, the production company which makes masterchef said gregg wallace would step away from the show while the claims are investigated. his lawyers have called the accusations entirely false. noor nanji reports. he's the colourful host of some
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of britain's most loved shows. best known as the face of masterchef. chefs, we havejust three minutes. last night, he was on our screens. right, chefs, you've got a job to do. you... but earlier in the day, it had been decided by the programme bosses that gregg wallace would step away from further filming after bbc news approached him with allegations from 13 people about inappropriate comments across 17 years. you are professional masterchef semi—finalist. masterchef semi—finalists. one of them was james, not his real name. he worked on masterchef back in 2005. during a tasting of one of the contestant's dishes, john torode is struggling to describe the dish. he says, you know, "i can't...can't think of what this dish reminds me of. " and gregg suddenly comes in and says, "i know what this reminds me of. it's my aunt's expletive.�* and what did everyone say? people we
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