ready to go... an evening that could define history in wales. their women's side desperate to grab the occasion by the horns and take a huge step towards their first major tournament. the republic of ireland, though, equally determined to reach a maiden euros. on a nervy night, it was wales who struck first. lily woodham finding herself on the end of a well—worked piece. a huge moment in front of theirfans. but they were pegged back before the break. ruesha littlejohn with a big vision. a shot from 35 yards that was always dipping, but olivia clark will feel she should have done better here. as time ticked on, tempers flared. ireland came closest to a late winner, but this time there was no way past clark. 1—1 the final score, both teams�* hopes of qualifying still very much alive. the team with the trickiest task on the night was northern ireland. hosting norway, they were on the end of a crushing 4—0 defeat that all but ends their hopes

of reaching switzerland next summer. while scotland were underwhelming at home to finland, neither side doing enough to find the net as it finished goalless. they will hope to sign off on a win on tuesday. jo currie, bbc news. and if you want to continue watching the bbc news at ten, please turn over to bbc one or you can watch on iplayer. next, it's newsnight. seismic — one of the most historic pieces of legislation in the modern era. the assisted dying bill lives on. but is this the fight labour wanted so early into their tenure? the fight the prime minister did not want was a protracted focus on his transport secretary. did he push her out? and why so quickly?

welcome to newsnight for live late night interviews and debate. maybe we don't talk about death enough. how it ends, when it ends. but that changed for ever today. the assisted dying bill is the biggest societal change in half a century — and make no mistake, it will change forever how we talk about our end of life care. kim leadbeater�*s bill passed with a majority of 55. this was a free vote, the mps tethered only to their conscience, but the division list showed the prime minister backed the proposal, as did the chancellor, so did a majority of the labour mps. it was opposed by a majority of conservatives.

it is only the first hurdle — the debate will continue, both inside and outside the palace of westminster, where i was watching the vote. the ayes have it. how do you feel? oh, it's going to be months of fighting, isn't it? months of fighting for disabled people's continued right to exist. how about you ? um... well, we'll protest more. this won't be the end of it. disabled people against cuts will fight on, and see you on the streets. i'm over the moon. i'm in shock, but i'm so happy. why is it so personal for you? i lost my father in 2019. he took his own life. um, third attempt. it was a really traumatic, . lonely and dangerous death. and today's vote means that.

the future is considerably safer and more compassionate . and fairer for dying people. we have to be vigilant in ensuring that it doesn't broaden in its scope to include those who, as many people out here today, want to be free to live their lives as they live them. so for you, the battle is on now. absolutely. it has to continue to be. my dad was dead before he died, and i don't feel... i've got no closure with my dad because he suffered. we don't. the fact is, it takes a lot- of people in this country two years to get a wheelchair. and now we're looking at being able to die in less than two weeks? - that's not a choice, _ that's coercion, that's making us feel like burdens and like society doesn't want us and pushing us i to suicide rather- than supporting us to live. i shed a few tears when the result came through. um, but there is a great relief that... i don't know, sometimes, recently it's seemed like everything is going backwards.

it's nice to know that as a society, we can move forward, and this is long overdue, in my opinion. plenty to discuss this evening. our panel with me in the studio — the former lord chancellor and secretary of state forjustice lord charlie falconer. from pod save the uk, the journalist coco khan. guto harri is here, borisjohnsons former director of communications briefly, if you please, your thoughts, lord falconer, on this extraordinary day we witnessed in parliament. i was there all day in the gallery, it was absolutely evidence that the commons knew they were debating one of the most important things those individual mps would debate. the? mps would debate. they spectacularly rose to the occasion. _ mps would debate. they spectacularly rose to the occasion. the _ rose to the occasion. the debate ebbed and flowed for five hours and when the result came through, there was almost complete silence in the commons because everybody in the

chamber realised that the future is in the gravity of what they have done, it was up to the dutch market was an absolutely remarkable occasion which will unquestionably define this parliament. find occasion which will unquestionably define this parliament.— define this parliament. and all the balance right _ define this parliament. and all the balance right to the _ define this parliament. and all the balance right to the very _ define this parliament. and all the balance right to the very end, did l balance right to the very end, did you pull out any polling to the way people voted quickly i saw something social media which is not on the left, separated the progressives from the socialists. i don't know if that is true _ from the socialists. i don't know if that is true but _ from the socialists. i don't know if that is true but i _ from the socialists. i don't know if that is true but i think _ from the socialists. i don't know if that is true but i think there - from the socialists. i don't know if that is true but i think there was l that is true but i think there was certainly. — that is true but i think there was certainly, my personal feeling about it was_ certainly, my personal feeling about it was i was— certainly, my personal feeling about it was i was worried about health inequalities and economic inequalities and economic inequalities and how that unfairness could be _ inequalities and how that unfairness could be replicated the assisted dying _ could be replicated the assisted dying~ i— could be replicated the assisted dying. i expected those politics of the economy to inform you a lot, maybe _ the economy to inform you a lot, maybe that — the economy to inform you a lot, maybe that was shared, perhaps there is an insight— maybe that was shared, perhaps there is an insight there. i would also add that— is an insight there. i would also add that i— is an insight there. i would also add that i noticed in the cabinet how they— add that i noticed in the cabinet how they voted, this is me being a bit how they voted, this is me being a hit cheeky— how they voted, this is me being a bit cheeky but i noticed the ones

who came — bit cheeky but i noticed the ones who came from more humble backgrounds or more homogenous communities were more likely to go against, _ communities were more likely to go against, perhaps from experience of health inequality. we against, perhaps from experience of health inequality.— health inequality. we will talk about how — health inequality. we will talk about how the cabinet - health inequality. we will talk about how the cabinet split i health inequality. we will talk- about how the cabinet split shortly. guto, do you agree with the premise that this was the biggest societal change we have seen maybe 50 years? yes, it's a big one. you are going back— yes, it's a big one. you are going back to the — yes, it's a big one. you are going back to the abolition of _ yes, it's a big one. you are going back to the abolition of the - yes, it's a big one. you are going back to the abolition of the deathj back to the abolition of the death penalty— back to the abolition of the death penalty i would _ back to the abolition of the death penalty i would put it _ back to the abolition of the death penalty i would put it roughly the same _ penalty i would put it roughly the same period~ _ penalty i would put it roughly the same period. legalising - penalty i would put it roughly the same period. legalising divorce, | same period. legalising divorce, legalising — same period. legalising divorce, legalising homosexuality, - same period. legalising divorce, legalising homosexuality, it's i same period. legalising divorce, . legalising homosexuality, it's a big moment— legalising homosexuality, it's a big moment and — legalising homosexuality, it's a big moment and will— legalising homosexuality, it's a big moment and will mean a _ legalising homosexuality, it's a big moment and will mean a lot. - legalising homosexuality, it's a big moment and will mean a lot. i- legalising homosexuality, it's a bigi moment and will mean a lot. i think parliament has— moment and will mean a lot. i think parliament has shown _ moment and will mean a lot. i think parliament has shown itself - moment and will mean a lot. i think parliament has shown itself at - moment and will mean a lot. i think parliament has shown itself at its i parliament has shown itself at its best, _ parliament has shown itself at its best. people _ parliament has shown itself at its best. people -- _ parliament has shown itself at its best. people -- my— parliament has shown itself at its best, people —— my people - parliament has shown itself at its l best, people —— my people actually arguing _ best, people —— my people actually arguing seriously, introducing - arguing seriously, introducing new ones. _ arguing seriously, introducing new ones. not — arguing seriously, introducing new ones, not splitting _ arguing seriously, introducing new ones, not splitting along - ones, not splitting along party lines _ ones, not splitting along party lines and they— ones, not splitting along party lines and they have _ ones, not splitting along party lines and they have caught - ones, not splitting along party lines and they have caught up| ones, not splitting along party- lines and they have caught up with where _ lines and they have caught up with where i_ lines and they have caught up with where i think— lines and they have caught up with where i think society _ lines and they have caught up with where i think society has been. - where i think society has been. nobody— where i think society has been. nobody wants _ where i think society has been. nobody wants to _ where i think society has been. nobody wants to go _ where i think society has been. nobody wants to go out - where i think society has been. i nobody wants to go out there and start killing — nobody wants to go out there and start killing people _ nobody wants to go out there and start killing people actively - nobody wants to go out there and start killing people actively but i start killing people actively but most _ start killing people actively but most people _ start killing people actively but most people i_ start killing people actively but most people i think— start killing people actively but most people i think feel- start killing people actively but i most people i think feel there are certain— most people i think feel there are certain occasions— most people i think feel there are certain occasions when _ most people i think feel there are certain occasions when you - most people i think feel there are certain occasions when you need i certain occasions when you need dignity— certain occasions when you need dignity and — certain occasions when you need dignity and something _ certain occasions when you need dignity and something to - certain occasions when you need | dignity and something to address the chronic— dignity and something to address the chronic pain — dignity and something to address the chronic pain in— dignity and something to address the chronic pain in a _ dignity and something to address the chronic pain in a health _ dignity and something to address the chronic pain in a health situation. - chronic pain in a health situation. we are on— chronic pain in a health situation. we are on the _ chronic pain in a health situation. we are on the road to _ chronic pain in a health situation. we are on the road to that. -

chronic pain in a health situation. i we are on the road to that. sitting next to you is nick watt. you were watching on the inside. yes. next to you is nick watt. you were watching on the inside. yes, i have to say that — watching on the inside. yes, i have to say that it _ watching on the inside. yes, i have to say that it was _ watching on the inside. yes, i have to say that it was a pretty - watching on the inside. yes, i have to say that it was a pretty solemn i to say that it was a pretty solemn day, some mps were in tears as they were speaking, and in tears on the corners afterwards but i would say it was also a day of purpose, a purpose for the bill sponsor kim leadbeater who wants to make this the law of the land and the opponent of the bill danny kruger but it was also at a powerful speeches and one of speeches was made by a recently elected labour mp who talked of the journey she's been on. she has a disability which meant she missed three years of school because of the surgery. she is supporting this bill, a decision she thought she would never make. it was a difficult decision, the hardest decision that i've ever had to make. i've spent my career looking at how we make life better for disabled people, not on debates about whether we should be born and whether we should die.

but i had to reflect on my own childhood and the moment of extreme pain that i was in, in body plaster post—hip surgery, when my skin was itching with morphine and i asked to die. and reflecting back on that moment meant that i knew i could never vote for suffering and a bill that was framed around suffering. but that moment also gave me a sense of how i'd want to live my own death. and that would have to be where i had control over that decision, and i could live that death in the way that i've tried to live my life, with dignity and respect. when she asked today she was just six years old. she told me today that this will will need to be amended in the next parliamentary stages. i caught up with one of the main opponents, danny kruger, who told me he thinks the bill could fail unless there are changes made when it is considered as committee stage. if mps who said they were only. supporting it on condition that it

improves are not satisfied that it has improved by the end - of the process, then i would expect them to vote it down. _ the bill does not have a majority for the text that's _ in the current bill. i'm confident of that. everybody recognises _ there need to be improvements. if there are not improvements, - then we must vote it down and i hope the house will do that. welcome after i spoke to danny kruger i caught up with kim leadbeater, who is the main sponsor of the bill, and i put that point to her, there there is a majority in parliament for the bill to pass it to its next stage, but not a majority for the actual text. there's a lot of work to do. yeah, there's absolutely still a lot of work to do. i mean, i'm very happy with the bill or i wouldn't have proposed it. and it was excellently drafted by someone who is an expert in doing such things. but if people feel there are slight changes that we need to make and amendments that they want to put forward, that's what parliament does. that's part of the process, in the same way with any other piece of legislation. so let's get going on that.

kim leadbeater there who still has a prominent role to play in committee stage. before we came on air, i spoke to dame esther rantzen who has been at the forefront of the campaign for this bill. she is being treated for stage four lung cancer. i asked her what she made of a debate she didn't think she would live long enough to see. well, it was extremely impressive. the house was full to the brim, which i gather is quite unusual for private members' bills, and the speeches were respectful and passionate and clearly deeply felt, and lots of contributions from people's constituents who told them stories from their own lives and the deaths of people they loved. and the vote when it came was out of the blue. i mean, i was astonished, because everything seemed in the balance up to then. and as it turned out, there was a majority in favour of the bill. so in some respects, then, it is a bittersweet moment, because i know you've talked about going to switzerland, to dignitas. will it not benefit you at all?

because i know you've spoken in one interview today about maybe taking the family. well, that is the thing. it occurs to me thatjust possibly this big majority in the house of commons and the fact that the committee report will be happening, it might mean that i can say to my family, "will you come with me to support me and say goodbye?" i do not know what they will say. my doctor never gave me a timescale, still hasn't, won't, won't put a figure on it. but i do know, because he's told me, that once the drug i'm on stops working and the cancer starts to spread again, it happens quite quickly, but in any case, as i say, i don't think the law will change in time for me to use the provisions of this new bill. i spoke to a lot of people, disabled people down at westminster this afternoon,

and they're terrified. and you campaigned for so...over many years for disabled people and their rights. can you understand the fear that there is? because we live in such a coercive society. i think there's a lack of trust that their interests would be put first. it's terrible, because the law doesn't apply to them in any way unless they become so ill they've only got six months left. no. i find it so tragic that any disabled person would think that for some reason they would be coerced into assisted dying. i think the opposite is true. i think that they will only qualify for assisted dying if they are terminally ill in the last six months of life. this bill does not apply to disability. it does not apply to mental health issues.

it does not apply to old age. it applies only to physical illness for adults over 18 who are diagnosed with a terminal illness and are in their last six months. just a final thought. you are one of the great campaigners in our country and here you are towards the end, involved in what is surely one of the biggest campaigns you've fought. have you reflected on that and are you happy with that to be perhaps the footnote? well, it's better than some i can think of. i mean, people could remember me for my teeth, forjumping around in the studio, making people laugh, sometimes inappropriately, for vegetables, we won't go into that. but i don't think i should be remembered for this. i think people to be remembered forthis are, a, kim leadbeater, and all those amazing families

who relived some of their most painful memories of loved ones dying in agony. they're the people that should have the credit. should be remembered for it. and i don't mind in the end if i'm remembered for a talking dog. dame esther, a pleasure to talk to you. thank you very much. thank you. dame esther ra ntzen. she still has that sense of humour in spite of it all. can we talk about process, where we go from here? let's pick this up from danny kruger that mps only lent their vote to this second reading of the bill so they could hear the committee stage. it is still all to play for. thea;r it is still all to play for. they were voting _ it is still all to play for. they were voting on _ it is still all to play for. they were voting on the - it is still all to play for. they were voting on the principle | were voting on the principle of whether or not they were in favour of assisted dying with safeguards. there might well depend on the safeguards, the safeguards will be considered in detail that the

committee stage, which will take some weeks, not day after day after day, but there will be regular hearings in the committee room for a period of time, then a report stage, than a third reading in the commons. what sort of timeline? hot than a third reading in the commons. what sort of timeline?— what sort of timeline? not out of the commons until— what sort of timeline? not out of the commons until april, - what sort of timeline? not out of the commons until april, then i the commons until april, then it goes to the lords. or maybe notjune orjuly, then go to the lords, finish in the lords may be in october or november. has to be finished by november because although it's not confirmed, it is thought there will be another queen's speech in november and the queen's speech in november and the queen's speech marks the end of it. do you think it will get out of the lords? i do you think it will get out of the lords? ., , .., , do you think it will get out of the lords? ., , .. , ., , lords? i do because the lords will take the view, _ lords? i do because the lords will take the view, rightly, _ lords? i do because the lords will take the view, rightly, that - lords? i do because the lords will take the view, rightly, that if the l take the view, rightly, that if the elected house has decided they want this bill, it has the support of the

elected members. there was a motion that passed the committee this afternoon which will give the committee the powers to take evidence from other jurisdictions?— take evidence from other jurisdictions? take evidence from other “urisdictions? �* , , , jurisdictions? anybody the dues but resumabl jurisdictions? anybody the dues but presumably peeple _ jurisdictions? anybody the dues but presumably people with _ jurisdictions? anybody the dues but presumably people with expertise l jurisdictions? anybody the dues but| presumably people with expertise in relation to how otherjurisdictions have done it, expertise on medical matters or legal matters. there was bogus during the course of the debate as to how the nhs and courts would manage and i think the committee would want to hear from evidence. . , ., . evidence. kim leadbeater will decide who is not committee? _ evidence. kim leadbeater will decide who is not committee? she - evidence. kim leadbeater will decide who is not committee? she will - evidence. kim leadbeater will decide who is not committee? she will do i evidence. kim leadbeater will decide who is not committee? she will do it| who is not committee? she will do it fairl , i who is not committee? she will do it fairly. i am — who is not committee? she will do it fairly. i am sure _ who is not committee? she will do it fairly, i am sure she _ who is not committee? she will do it fairly, i am sure she will— who is not committee? she will do it fairly, i am sure she will because - fairly, i am sure she will because one of the things that came across one of the things that came across on this very purposeful debate was the admiration for kim and a consensual way she had done it. her character and the way she did it was one of the main thing is to transform the atmosphere. koko, can we talk about — transform the atmosphere. koko, can we talk about this _ transform the atmosphere. koko, can we talk about this surreal— transform the atmosphere. koko, can we talk about this surreal moment. we talk about this surreal moment today where you have the prime minister and the chancellor in the aye lobby and his health and justice secretary is in the no lobby who

will have to enact this bill if it is past? it will have to enact this bill if it is ast? , , ., ., will have to enact this bill if it is ast? , , . ., ., is past? it is surreal and as a casual observer _ is past? it is surreal and as a casual observer it _ is past? it is surreal and as a casual observer it is - is past? it is surreal and as a casual observer it is hard - is past? it is surreal and as a casual observer it is hard to l is past? it is surreal and as a - casual observer it is hard to take confidence — casual observer it is hard to take confidence from that if the two people — confidence from that if the two people who are most involved with administering it are having doubts and i_ administering it are having doubts and lam — administering it are having doubts and i am not sure how confident it would _ and i am not sure how confident it would make you feel as an average person who — would make you feel as an average person who has i believe rightful concerns — person who has i believe rightful concerns about how this would be implemented and whether it would be fair. having said that, there is a long _ fair. having said that, there is a long way— fair. having said that, there is a long way to _ fair. having said that, there is a long way to go and i think if there is one _ long way to go and i think if there is one thing we can all agree on, this is— is one thing we can all agree on, this is finally giving us a healthy conversation on death and dignity in death— conversation on death and dignity in death foot _ conversation on death and dignity in death foot stop a conversation we need _ death foot stop a conversation we need to— death foot stop a conversation we need to have a long time and i hope it keeps— need to have a long time and i hope it keeps going. need to have a long time and i hope it keeps going-— need to have a long time and i hope it keeps going. societal members -- chances it keeps going. societal members -- changes happen _ it keeps going. societal members -- changes happen through _ it keeps going. societal members -- changes happen through private - changes happen through private members' bill which means a governing party is always divided and it has always been effectively developed. wes streeting who himself was a guest at the said explicitly he will now get in to a mode where he will now get in to a mode where he makes it happen and he has said

as well, he has appointed stephen kinnock within his department to do the detail of it. he kinnock within his department to do the detail of it.— the detail of it. he delegates because he _ the detail of it. he delegates because he has _ the detail of it. he delegates because he has an _ the detail of it. he delegates| because he has an interesting the detail of it. he delegates - because he has an interesting role to play. he has to decide what evidence they presented, the health department, how they resources, he directs to give evidence, which doctors appear. he has a lot of power. in doctors appear. he has a lot of ower. ., doctors appear. he has a lot of ower. . ., , ., _, ., ~ power. in that detail you could make a comfy case — power. in that detail you could make a comfy case that — power. in that detail you could make a comfy case that it _ power. in that detail you could make a comfy case that it could _ power. in that detail you could make a comfy case that it could make - power. in that detail you could make| a comfy case that it could make some people _ a comfy case that it could make some people switch — a comfy case that it could make some people switch their _ a comfy case that it could make some people switch their minds. _ a comfy case that it could make some people switch their minds. hopefullyl people switch their minds. hopefully he do _ people switch their minds. hopefully he do that _ people switch their minds. hopefully he do that~ i— people switch their minds. hopefully he do that. ithink— people switch their minds. hopefully he do that. i think he _ people switch their minds. hopefully he do that. i think he is— people switch their minds. hopefully he do that. i think he is one - people switch their minds. hopefully he do that. i think he is one of- people switch their minds. hopefully he do that. i think he is one of the l he do that. i think he is one of the better— he do that. i think he is one of the better people _ he do that. i think he is one of the better people in _ he do that. i think he is one of the better people in the _ he do that. i think he is one of the better people in the cabinet. - he do that. i think he is one of the better people in the cabinet. but. better people in the cabinet. but there _ better people in the cabinet. but there are — better people in the cabinet. but there are big _ better people in the cabinet. but there are big issues— better people in the cabinet. but there are big issues and - better people in the cabinet. but there are big issues and it - better people in the cabinet. but| there are big issues and it should be very— there are big issues and it should be very clear _ there are big issues and it should be very clear that _ there are big issues and it should be very clear that no _ there are big issues and it should be very clear that no doctor - there are big issues and it should. be very clear that no doctor should feel obliged — be very clear that no doctor should feel obliged to _ be very clear that no doctor should feel obliged to do _ be very clear that no doctor should feel obliged to do something - be very clear that no doctor should feel obliged to do something thatl be very clear that no doctor shouldl feel obliged to do something that is against _ feel obliged to do something that is against their— feel obliged to do something that is against their personal— feel obliged to do something that is against their personal conscience. l against their personal conscience. nojudge — against their personal conscience. nojudge should _ against their personal conscience. nojudge should be _ against their personal conscience. nojudge should be dragged - against their personal conscience. nojudge should be dragged into i nojudge should be dragged into this. nojudge should be dragged into this lli— no judge should be dragged into this. ., , no judge should be dragged into this. ., , ., ., this. if doctors have a conscientious - this. if doctors have a l conscientious objection this. if doctors have a - conscientious objection because explicitly, notjudges. they have to do their own. for explicitly, not 'udges. they have to do their own.— do their own. for doctors this is certainly important _ do their own. for doctors this is certainly important but - do their own. for doctors this is| certainly important but hopefully now the — certainly important but hopefully now the matter _ certainly important but hopefully now the matter of _ certainly important but hopefully now the matter of principle - certainly important but hopefully now the matter of principle has i certainly important but hopefully- now the matter of principle has been decided _ now the matter of principle has been decided and — now the matter of principle has been decided and everybody _ 1437 00:19: