hello, i'm kasia madera. you're watching the context on bbc news. this may sound like a movie plot — developers behind chatgpt say, in testing, the ai programme attempted to prevent itself from being shut down when it was led to believe it might be replaced. no kidding. that coming up injust a moment, but now let's turn to the situation in ukraine. as the war in ukraine grinds on, president putin has pledged to deploy his new intermediate—range hypersonic missile to neighbouring belarus. the announcement came during a summit in minsk with long—time ally alexander lukashenko, where the two leaders signed

a mutual defence agreement. the russian leader has boasted that the oreshnik, or "hazel tree", is impossible to intercept and is comparable to the force of a nuclear weapon. it was first fired at the ukrainian city of dnipro last month. during the talk, putin stressed that the new security deal includes the potential use of russian tactical nuclear weapons being deployed in response to any aggression. translation: it defines mutual allied obligations| to ensure defence, protection of sovereignty, independence and constitutional order of russia and belarus. this includes russian tactical nuclear weapons located, at the suggestion of the president of belarus, on the territory of the republic of belarus. for his part, lukashenko approved the idea of his country — which borders nato members poland, latvia and lithuania — hosting the weapons.

translation: i would like to publicly ask- you to deploy new weapons systems to the territory of belarus. it will seriously help calm some heads that are ready to fight against belarus. it comes as russia's foreign minister, sergei lavrov, told the american journalist tucker carlson that moscow's firing of the oreshnik was a signal the west must take it seriously. so the message which we wanted to sell by testing in real- action this hypersonic system is that we will... _ ..we will be ready to do anything to defend ourl legitimate interests. we hate even to think about war with the united states, - which will take, you know, nuclear character. - lavrov there talking to tucker

carlson. meanwhile, ukraine showed off a new locally produced "rocket drone" which it said could reach targets 700 kilometres away, about twice the longest range attributed to missiles supplied by western allies. the unmanned craft, called peklo, which means "hell" in ukrainian, is the second rocket drone unveiled by kyiv as it tries to increase its ability to strike deep into russia. the ukrainian president said they'd be sure to use them on the battlefield. translation: it is very - important the consignments are ready and people can see that we have a lot of missiles and that our armed forces will have them on the battlefield. it is very important that we not simply test them, but also use them. we'll use them on a big scale. let's bring in jessica let's bring injessica and robert because it feels like, jessica, then rather than focus on some kind of negotiation, that's orderly what donald trump would want to see, russia ratcheting up rhetoric and also you've got ukraine showing off its weaponry as well. this is

escalating rather than de—escalating. it escalating rather than de-escalating. escalating rather than de-escalatinu. , ~ de-escalating. it feels like we are in a very _ de-escalating. it feels like we are in a very dangerous - de-escalating. it feels like we are in a very dangerous placel are in a very dangerous place while — are in a very dangerous place while we _ are in a very dangerous place while we are in this transition period — while we are in this transition period in— while we are in this transition period in between the departure ofjoe _ period in between the departure ofjoe biden and the reappearance of donald trump in january. — reappearance of donald trump in january. we know that trump's aim is— january. we know that trump's aim is to — january. we know that trump's aim is to have this negotiated peace — aim is to have this negotiated peace deal, even very recently appointing this new retired army— appointing this new retired army general as an envoy. but, you know, — army general as an envoy. but, you know, the view to look at the rhetoric between moscow and kyiv. _ the rhetoric between moscow and kyiv. you — the rhetoric between moscow and kyiv, you would not think that any of— kyiv, you would not think that any of those talks and any prospect of even starting let alone — prospect of even starting let alone succeeding. both of them kind of— alone succeeding. both of them kind of escalating that rhetoric, the firing by ukraine of those — rhetoric, the firing by ukraine of those long—range missiles into— of those long—range missiles into russia and that response that_ into russia and that response that we — into russia and that response that we have just been discussing on the programme by putih _ discussing on the programme by putih and — discussing on the programme by putin. and especially sergey lavrov — putin. and especially sergey lavrov sitting down with her carlson, _

lavrov sitting down with her carlson, with an american host, you can — carlson, with an american host, you can see _ carlson, with an american host, you can see who his comments are squarely aimed at, an american _ are squarely aimed at, an american audience to be heard by american audience to be heard iiy ohe — american audience to be heard by one of— american audience to be heard by one of donald trump's favourite hosts. so it still feels _ favourite hosts. so it still feels like we are in a very, very— feels like we are in a very, very dangerous place in this transition where no one quite knows — transition where no one quite knows what the next step will be. �* , ., ., , be. and i 'ust wonder, robert, how be. and ijust wonder, robert, how helpful — be. and ijust wonder, robert, how helpful is _ be. and ijust wonder, robert, how helpful is that _ be. and ijust wonder, robert, how helpful is that you - be. and ijust wonder, robert, how helpful is that you have i how helpful is that you have somebody like tucker carlson sitting down, he is on it before, but sitting down with someone like lavrov?- before, but sitting down with someone like lavrov? well, it's helful, someone like lavrov? well, it's helpful. but _ someone like lavrov? well, it's helpful, but helpful— someone like lavrov? well, it's helpful, but helpful to - someone like lavrov? well, it's helpful, but helpful to whom i i helpful, but helpful to whom i thihk— helpful, but helpful to whom i think if— helpful, but helpful to whom i think if the _ helpful, but helpful to whom i think if the question. - helpful, but helpful to whom i think if the question. that's . think if the question. that's what's _ think if the question. that's what's being _ think if the question. that's what's being asked - think if the question. that's what's being asked there. l think if the question. that's what's being asked there. i| what's being asked there. i think— what's being asked there. i think i_ what's being asked there. i think i have _ what's being asked there. i think i have to— what's being asked there. i think i have to fully - what's being asked there. i think i have to fully and - think i have to fully and completely_ think i have to fully and completely agree - think i have to fully and completely agree that i think i have to fully and . completely agree that the think i have to fully and - completely agree that the plans that donald _ completely agree that the plans that donald trump _ completely agree that the plans that donald trump has- completely agree that the plans that donald trump has two, - completely agree that the plansj that donald trump has two, you know, _ that donald trump has two, you know. fix — that donald trump has two, you know, fix this _ that donald trump has two, you know, fix this war, _ that donald trump has two, you know, fix this war, in _ that donald trump has two, you know, fix this war, in this - know, fix this war, in this war within— know, fix this war, in this war within the _ know, fix this war, in this war within the first _ know, fix this war, in this war within the first few— know, fix this war, in this war within the first few weeks - know, fix this war, in this war within the first few weeks of. within the first few weeks of taking — within the first few weeks of taking office, _ within the first few weeks of taking office, i— within the first few weeks of taking office, i think- within the first few weeks of taking office, i think are - taking office, i think are going _ taking office, i think are

going to _ taking office, i think are going to be _ taking office, i think are going to be increasinglyj taking office, i think are - going to be increasingly naive. 0bviously— going to be increasingly naive. obviously not _ going to be increasingly naive. obviously notjust_ going to be increasingly naive. obviously not just because - going to be increasingly naive. obviously notjust because of, j obviously notjust because of, as you — obviously notjust because of, as you put _ obviously notjust because of, as you put it. _ obviously notjust because of, as you put it, the _ obviously notjust because of, as you put it, the escalation . as you put it, the escalation both— as you put it, the escalation both in— as you put it, the escalation both in rhetoric— as you put it, the escalation both in rhetoric and - as you put it, the escalation both in rhetoric and in- as you put it, the escalationl both in rhetoric and in actual arms— both in rhetoric and in actual arms usage _ both in rhetoric and in actual arms usage coming - both in rhetoric and in actual arms usage coming from - both in rhetoric and in actual. arms usage coming from both sides. — arms usage coming from both sides. but— arms usage coming from both sides. but as— arms usage coming from both sides, but as we _ arms usage coming from both sides, but as we are - arms usage coming from both sides, but as we are also - sides, but as we are also seeing, _ sides, but as we are also seeing, you _ sides, but as we are also seeing, you know, - sides, but as we are also seeing, you know, there| sides, but as we are also i seeing, you know, there is destabilisation _ seeing, you know, there is destabilisation going - seeing, you know, there isl destabilisation going across europe, _ destabilisation going across europe. into— destabilisation going across europe, into the _ destabilisation going across europe, into the middle - destabilisation going acrossl europe, into the middle east destabilisation going across - europe, into the middle east as well, _ europe, into the middle east as well, and — europe, into the middle east as well, and the _ europe, into the middle east as well, and the number— europe, into the middle east as well, and the number of- europe, into the middle east as well, and the number of these i well, and the number of these things— well, and the number of these things have _ well, and the number of these things have some _ well, and the number of these things have some of— well, and the number of these things have some of the - well, and the number of these things have some of the same| things have some of the same similar— things have some of the same similar characters _ things have some of the same similar characters involved. i things have some of the same| similar characters involved. so ithink— similar characters involved. so i think that _ similar characters involved. so i think that this _ similar characters involved. so i think that this is— similar characters involved. so i think that this is going - similar characters involved. so i think that this is going to i i think that this is going to be a — i think that this is going to be a nruch _ i think that this is going to be a much more _ i think that this is going to i be a much more complicated situation _ be a much more complicated situation than _ be a much more complicated situation than the _ be a much more complicated situation than the former- situation than the former president. _ situation than the former president, the _ situation than the former president, the future i situation than the former- president, the future president is going — president, the future president is going to _ president, the future president is going to be _ president, the future president is going to be coming - president, the future president is going to be coming into, i president, the future president is going to be coming into, and we are— is going to be coming into, and we are in. _ is going to be coming into, and we are in. as— is going to be coming into, and we are in, as they— is going to be coming into, and we are in, as they say, - is going to be coming into, and we are in, as they say, for- is going to be coming into, and we are in, as they say, for a i we are in, as they say, for a bumpy ride _ we are in, as they say, for a bumpy ride-— we are in, as they say, for a bumpy ride. we certainly are, and, bumpy ride. we certainly are, and. robert. _ bumpy ride. we certainly are, and, robert, we _ bumpy ride. we certainly are, and, robert, we also - bumpy ride. we certainly are, and, robert, we also have i bumpy ride. we certainly are, | and, robert, we also have the shot of notre dame there, any excuse to share this because it is incredible the restoration the french have done following that fire five years ago but we know that on the sidelines of

this, all the world leaders will be attending this, including president—elect donald trump and zelensky himself. there is arguably, we believed emma going to be a meeting there. how, the positioning of donald trump right now, president—elect and yet he is speaking to lots of different world leaders. in terms of the etiquette of that, that should be orchestrated. is he coming from your understanding, just doing that on his own accord? that seems to be the _ on his own accord? that seems to be the case. _ on his own accord? that seems to be the case. i _ on his own accord? that seems to be the case. i mean, - on his own accord? that seems to be the case. i mean, we i on his own accord? that seems to be the case. i mean, we are| to be the case. i mean, we are inan— to be the case. i mean, we are in an unprecedented _ to be the case. i mean, we are in an unprecedented time i to be the case. i mean, we are in an unprecedented time in. to be the case. i mean, we are| in an unprecedented time in the sense _ in an unprecedented time in the sense of— in an unprecedented time in the sense of a — in an unprecedented time in the sense of a us _ in an unprecedented time in the sense of a us president- in an unprecedented time in the sense of a us president who i in an unprecedented time in thel sense of a us president who had lost reelection _ sense of a us president who had lost reelection coming _ sense of a us president who had lost reelection coming back, i lost reelection coming back, you know. _ lost reelection coming back, you know. i'm _ lost reelection coming back, you know, i'm coming - lost reelection coming back, you know, i'm coming backl lost reelection coming back, i you know, i'm coming back four years— you know, i'm coming back four years later _ you know, i'm coming back four years later. and _ you know, i'm coming back four years later. and obviously - you know, i'm coming back four years later. and obviously he i years later. and obviously he does. — years later. and obviously he does. while _ years later. and obviously he does, while he _ years later. and obviously he does, while he has _ years later. and obviously he does, while he has an- does, while he has an unorthodox— does, while he has an unorthodox way- does, while he has an unorthodox way of. does, while he has an- unorthodox way of dealing with these _ unorthodox way of dealing with these things. _ unorthodox way of dealing with these things, he _ unorthodox way of dealing with these things, he does- unorthodox way of dealing with these things, he does have i unorthodox way of dealing with these things, he does have his| these things, he does have his now— these things, he does have his

now own — these things, he does have his now own lines _ these things, he does have his now own lines of _ these things, he does have his. now own lines of communication to a number— now own lines of communication to a number of— now own lines of communication to a number of individuals. i now own lines of communication to a number of individuals. and i to a number of individuals. and he has — to a number of individuals. and he has basically— to a number of individuals. and he has basically been _ to a number of individuals. and he has basically been holding . he has basically been holding court — he has basically been holding court down _ he has basically been holding court down in _ he has basically been holding court down in mara _ he has basically been holding court down in mara lago. i he has basically been holding . court down in mara lago. justin trudeau — court down in mara lago. justin trudeau was _ court down in mara lago. justin trudeau wasjust_ court down in mara lago. justin trudeau was just down - court down in mara lago. justin trudeau was just down there i trudeau was just down there this week— trudeau was just down there this week as— trudeau was just down there this week as well. _ trudeau was just down there this week as well. and - trudeau was just down there this week as well. and so i trudeau was just down there this week as well. and so hej trudeau was just down there . this week as well. and so he is obviously— this week as well. and so he is obviously exerting _ this week as well. and so he is obviously exerting a _ obviously exerting a certain amount— obviously exerting a certain amount of— obviously exerting a certain amount of influence, - obviously exerting a certain amount of influence, and i obviously exerting a certain. amount of influence, and it's maximising~ _ amount of influence, and it's maximising. but— amount of influence, and it's maximising. but by- amount of influence, and it's maximising. but by the i amount of influence, and it's maximising. but by the way, j amount of influence, and it's- maximising. but by the way, one more _ maximising. but by the way, one more point, _ maximising. but by the way, one more point, to— maximising. but by the way, one more point, to the _ maximising. but by the way, one more point, to the point- maximising. but by the way, one more point, to the point of- maximising. but by the way, one more point, to the point of the i more point, to the point of the unsafe — more point, to the point of the unsafe area _ more point, to the point of the unsafe area that _ more point, to the point of the unsafe area that we _ more point, to the point of the unsafe area that we are - more point, to the point of the unsafe area that we are in i unsafe area that we are in right— unsafe area that we are in right now. _ unsafe area that we are in right now. you _ unsafe area that we are in right now, you know, i unsafe area that we are in i right now, you know, talking about— right now, you know, talking about notre _ right now, you know, talking about notre dame, - right now, you know, talking about notre dame, france's| about notre dame, france's government— about notre dame, france's governmentjust _ about notre dame, france's governmentjust fell- about notre dame, france's governmentjust fell as- about notre dame, france'sl government just fell as well. so we've _ government just fell as well. so we've got _ government just fell as well. so we've got instability - government just fell as well. so we've got instability in i so we've got instability in europe, _ so we've got instability in europe. and _ so we've got instability in europe, and one - so we've got instability in europe, and one of- so we've got instability in europe, and one of the i so we've got instability in i europe, and one of the major powers— europe, and one of the major powers there _ europe, and one of the major powers there as _ europe, and one of the major powers there as well, - europe, and one of the major powers there as well, so... . europe, and one of the major. powers there as well, so... blot powers there as well, so... not lost on us _ powers there as well, so... not lost on us that _ powers there as well, so... not lost on us that you _ powers there as well, so... lost on us that you have notre dame there risen from the ashes but then you have emmanuelle macron in clinical terminal with prime minister barney a thing on until a new prime

minister is named. all eyes on paris this weekend. now let's turn to the uk. large parts of the uk are braced for storm darragh, with amber weather warnings meaning widespread disruption in place along the west coast from southern scotland to cornwall and northern ireland. storm darragh is expected to bring heavy rain over the weekend across the uk. the most serious threat is to south wales and the bristol channel, where a rare red warning for strong winds has been issued meaning a danger to life. gusts of around 90 mph are expected starting in the early hours of tomorrow morning. that is the kind of alarm people were receiving on their phones, that red alarm. the government says around 3 million people living in the area covered by the red warning have received a siren like alert on their phones warning them of the expected high winds. people especially in those

parts of wells who have already suffered so much following storm macron —— bert and now more devastation, your heart goes out. i more devastation, your heart goes out-— more devastation, your heart goes out. i was me back from oxfordshire _ goes out. i was me back from oxfordshire today _ goes out. i was me back from oxfordshire today he - goes out. i was me back from oxfordshire today he could i oxfordshire today he could still see the flooded fields, someplace places waterlogged and now people to face this again and the rest of the country. this is the largest use now of this new warning system. this to be sent to their phones when these red weather warnings come in. and it's a real shock when you get the men. you get this kind of loud siren delivered to the device, which shows you how serious the warnings are. you can feel the wind already heating up even over here in london. so hopefully there will be too much damage and disruption overnight. irate be too much damage and

disruption overnight. we hope for. disruption overnight. we hope for- through _ disruption overnight. we hope for. through some _ disruption overnight. we hope for. through some three-manj for. through some three—man people in wales in southwest england receiving those red alerts. much more coming up. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news.

do you remember the ai computer hal from the movie 2001: a space odyssey? he didn't want to be shut down, and now it seems he's not alone. openai have released the latest version of their chat bot chatgpt. the update came yesterday, but today it was revealed that, in testing, the programme attempted to prevent itself from being shut down when it was led to believe it might be replaced. the revelation has fuelled fears about al technology at a time when the uk government is taking steps to become a world leader in al safety. the company has been dealing with a lot of concerns about safety this year and has acknowledged the risks associated with the increased reasoning abilities.

openai said in a paper... it's just mind—boggling, absolutely mind—boggling where we are with this, robert. it just seems to me with every iteration of ai came just seems to me that every single warning that science fiction stories have told us over the last 40-50 have told us over the last 40—50 years, it seems like we have decided to just toss them outside. how was exact me what i was thinking of when i saw this story. . they say, what is it, fiction is becoming reality, reality is becoming fiction. this is where we are.

and, i mean, isay it fiction. this is where we are. and, i mean, i say it kind of amusingly, but i think it is a little bit worrisome and we should be concerned about some of these things.— of these things. jessica, if anybody — of these things. jessica, if anybody has _ of these things. jessica, if anybody has not _ of these things. jessica, if anybody has not seen i of these things. jessica, if anybody has not seen the | of these things. jessica, if i anybody has not seen the film, i have to say you've got to watch it with a list of what age you are because it is an eye—opener and hal is so sinister in it. just your reflections on this because also we know that when it comes to generative ai came just perpetuates bias. we should be open to it. we can have our eyes open to this.— eyes open to this. yeah, absolutely. _ eyes open to this. yeah, absolutely. one - eyes open to this. yeah, absolutely. one of i eyes open to this. yeah, absolutely. one of the i eyes open to this. yeah, i absolutely. one of the things you can — absolutely. one of the things you can see is you read the stories. _ you can see is you read the stories, people say one of the things— stories, people say one of the things about humans is so noticeable is if want to give it a name _ noticeable is if want to give it a name can be can really start— it a name can be can really start to _ it a name can be can really start to empathise with it, which _ start to empathise with it, which is _ start to empathise with it, which is why sometimes soldiers io which is why sometimes soldiers go over— which is why sometimes soldiers go over and risk their life to -et go over and risk their life to get bomb disposal robots who they've — get bomb disposal robots who they've given names to and we hear— they've given names to and we hear about this poor chap but hear about this poor chap but he does — hear about this poor chap but he does not want to be shut down — he does not want to be shut down and _ he does not want to be shut down and is almost like we can kind _ down and is almost like we can

kind of— down and is almost like we can kind of get a human empathy for this bot~ — kind of get a human empathy for this bot~ in— kind of get a human empathy for this bot. in all of that kind of opens— this bot. in all of that kind of opens up a whole new question about how we treat ai models — question about how we treat ai models. but of course we are seeing — models. but of course we are seeing those kind of human biases. _ seeing those kind of human biases, humanity in these bots all the — biases, humanity in these bots all the time and at the guardian we have just been writing _ guardian we have just been writing this week about in the department for work and pensions, the kind of biases that— pensions, the kind of biases that were found when artificial intelligence systems were looking at welfare fraud. the kind — looking at welfare fraud. the kind of— looking at welfare fraud. the kind of biases that were found in those — kind of biases that were found in those systems according to sort _ in those systems according to sort of— in those systems according to sort of disability, marital status. _ sort of disability, marital status, and it had to be rewritten because of this fairness analysis. so the systems could be absolutely transformative and positive in many— transformative and positive in many ways, but we definitely have — many ways, but we definitely have to — many ways, but we definitely have to keep our eyes open to some — have to keep our eyes open to some of— have to keep our eyes open to some of the risks. | have to keep our eyes open to some of the risks.— some of the risks. i want to make sure _ some of the risks. i want to make sure you _ some of the risks. i want to make sure you are - some of the risks. i want to make sure you are writing l some of the risks. i want to i make sure you are writing these things come as is not an ai written think i? irate things come as is not an ai written think i?— written think i? we worry about and are very — written think i? we worry about and are very worried _ written think i? we worry about and are very worried about i

written think i? we worry about and are very worried about if i and are very worried about if that's— and are very worried about if that's possibly coming for all of our— that's possibly coming for all of ourjobs. that's possibly coming for all of ourjobs-_ of our “obs. that's a point, eah, of ourjobs. that's a point, yeah, exactly. _ of ourjobs. that's a point, yeah, exactly. it _ of ourjobs. that's a point, yeah, exactly. it sure i of ourjobs. that's a point, yeah, exactly. it sure is, i| yeah, exactly. it sure is, i know it's _ yeah, exactly. it sure is, i know it's after _ yeah, exactly. it sure is, i know it's after mine, i yeah, exactly. it sure is, i know it's after mine, no l yeah, exactly. it sure is, i- know it's after mine, no doubt. now is a moment that you guys get let loose in the programme. now it's time for the panel. so the section of the programme where our panelists have their say on what they would like to speak to us about, and can be jessica, i know that when it comes to your story, it's one that we have spoken about, certainly with younger people in certainly with you