yes for think that if you said yes for a sexual interaction that you are ok for any sexual interaction. a lot of men think that if they are your boyfriend or husband then they have the right to do whatever they want with your body, for example. so consent is really not clear and it is not clear for sexual matters but also in all kinds of other areas. just see the way we treat children, for example. a lot of adults think they have the right to do whatever they want with children, like they have two, they can kiss kids, even if the kids don't want it. a lot of people in france still think it is ok to beat your children. so we have a massive problem about consent and about education to consent and about education to consent and about education to consent and are very concrete way. and one solution would be

to ply the law and the law in france is that we are supposed to receive lessons every year on sexual education, emotional education, and we don't have these lessons. most students, most students in france don't receive this because once again there is no... french lawyers have greeted her, _ french lawyers have greeted her, which i did, and we have spent — her, which i did, and we have spent four_ her, which i did, and we have spent four months in adversarial discussion. this affair— adversarial discussion. this affair is_ adversarial discussion. this affair is ending. i wish you a good — affair is ending. i wish you a good afternoon.

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trial, verdict and sentencing of dominique pelicot who is jailed for 20 years after drugging his ex—wife gisele and recruiting strangers to rape herfor recruiting strangers to rape her for years. recruiting strangers to rape herfor years. 50 other men have also been sentenced alongside him and we arejust monitoring that live shot in the court. i am going to hand you back to my colleague who is outside the court in avignon in the south of france.— outside the court in avignon in the south of france. thank you so much for — the south of france. thank you so much for that. _ the south of france. thank you so much for that. apologies i the south of france. thank you so much for that. apologies - l so much for that. apologies — we momentarily lost our line from avignon to the london studio and it is obviously clear that things are starting to move within that court room. we are expecting, at any moment

now, gisele pelicot to leave the court room with her legal team and to give some sort of statement. we can go back if we can to victoire. we were talking about consent and what it means in terms of french society and you were talking about teaching about consent within schools and to younger people. let me ask you a little bit about french society as a whole, if i may. 0ne bit about french society as a whole, if i may. one of the things that has come out of this trial is that it is not just about consent. it is also about the use of drugs in this case. that is one of the things that has come to the fore. the

use of these drugs to put gisele pelicot to sleep. it is notjust gisele pelicot to sleep. it is not just about drugs gisele pelicot to sleep. it is notjust about drugs in nightclubs being used against younger women. this is something that is a very worrying element that has come out. , ., ., out. yes, and also quite ordinary- _ out. yes, and also quite ordinary. drugs - out. yes, and also quite ordinary. drugs and - out. yes, and also quite i ordinary. drugs and drugs out. yes, and also quite - ordinary. drugs and drugs on prescription is something that is widely— prescription is something that is widely used in all kinds of rape — is widely used in all kinds of rape. that is something that we only start — rape. that is something that we only start to realise as a society _ only start to realise as a society. we as feminists know it very — society. we as feminists know it very well. the most ordinary one is— it very well. the most ordinary one is alcohol and we can see that_ one is alcohol and we can see that the — one is alcohol and we can see that the rate culture is also something that there is the un—courageous use of drugs. this— un—courageous use of drugs. this is— un—courageous use of drugs. this is a _ un—courageous use of drugs. this is a particular technique and — this is a particular technique and look_ this is a particular technique and look scary but is actually quite — and look scary but is actually quite ordinary. there are a lot of women, _ quite ordinary. there are a lot

of women, but also children, who— of women, but also children, who are _ of women, but also children, who are drugged to be raped and used~ _ who are drugged to be raped and used~ it— who are drugged to be raped and used~ it is— who are drugged to be raped and used. it is something quite common _ used. it is something quite common-— used. it is something quite common. . ., , common. victoire, this case has been going _ common. victoire, this case has been going on — common. victoire, this case has been going on for— common. victoire, this case has been going on for three - common. victoire, this case has| been going on for three months. i am already feeling, within french society, there is a readiness now to hold a mirror up readiness now to hold a mirror up to france and to think a little bit more about what this case means. do you think without this case we would be anywhere near that point now? how important has this case been? it how important has this case been? ., ., ~ how important has this case been? ~ ., been? it looks like from the olls in been? it looks like from the polls in this _ been? it looks like from the polls in this case _ been? it looks like from the polls in this case it - been? it looks like from the polls in this case it looks . polls in this case it looks like _ polls in this case it looks like a _ polls in this case it looks like a lot— polls in this case it looks like a lot of french people heard _ like a lot of french people heard about the case. it is only— heard about the case. it is only a _ heard about the case. it is only a third who know it quite well— only a third who know it quite well but — only a third who know it quite well but at least nine out of ten people in france heard about— ten people in france heard about it _ ten people in france heard about it. it is really a big case _ about it. it is really a big case. what we know is that

women _ case. what we know is that women are much more interested in the _ women are much more interested in the case — women are much more interested in the case than men are because _ in the case than men are because men think that this does — because men think that this does not _ because men think that this does not concern them as they are not— does not concern them as they are not like these men on trial _ are not like these men on trial and _ are not like these men on trial. and so they think of them _ trial. and so they think of them as— trial. and so they think of them as monsters, as deviant men: — them as monsters, as deviant men. but _ them as monsters, as deviant men, but what is interesting is that— men, but what is interesting is that the — men, but what is interesting is that the younger people are and when _ that the younger people are and when they are women, or young women, — when they are women, or young women, they don't believe that. they— women, they don't believe that. they see — women, they don't believe that. they see that these men are ordinary— they see that these men are ordinary and that it tells a lot about ordinary masculinity. it is lot about ordinary masculinity. it is not — lot about ordinary masculinity. it is not only about sexual violence. _ it is not only about sexual violence, it is about relationships between men and women — relationships between men and women and it is about just general— women and it is about just general violence and about the culture — general violence and about the culture that allows that that encourages that. we have to face — encourages that. we have to face the _ encourages that. we have to face the question — how can so many— face the question — how can so many men _ face the question — how can so many men are so excited at the idea _ many men are so excited at the idea of— many men are so excited at the idea of penetrating and

unconscious woman, and unconscious woman, and unconscious body? why? we as feminists— unconscious body? why? we as feminists never talk about about _ feminists never talk about about nature. we have social explanations and the social explanations and the social explanation for it is patriarch e. explanation for it is patriarch 5 that— explanation for it is patriarch 5 that is— explanation for it is patriarch e. that is what we have to fight — e. that is what we have to fight and _ e. that is what we have to fight and that is what we have to fight — fight and that is what we have to fight. more and more people in france — to fight. more and more people in france now realise that, that— in france now realise that, that rape _ in france now realise that, that rape and sexual crimes, it's not— that rape and sexual crimes, it's not about monsters and it is not — it's not about monsters and it is not about... it is really about— is not about... it is really about violence. for example a lot of— about violence. for example a lot of the _ about violence. for example a lot of the people, a lot of the men — lot of the people, a lot of the men in — lot of the people, a lot of the men in this case, they wear themselves victims of sexual violence _ themselves victims of sexual violence or other violence when they _ violence or other violence when they were — violence or other violence when they were kids. so we have to connect — they were kids. so we have to connect the dots. we have to tackle — connect the dots. we have to tackle this huge issue of violence against women but also against — violence against women but also against children. if we want to fight _ against children. if we want to fight against this, it is hard.

also— fight against this, it is hard. also important to underline that dominique pelicot himself said he had witnessed the rape of a woman at age ia. and also to point out that most of these men lived in this area with a 60 kilometre radius of the village where they lived. six had previous convictions for domestic violence will stop to have convictions for sexual violence and 23 have a criminal record for offences such as drink—driving and possession of drugs. although they were in many ways ordinary men, some of them did have previous convictions for varying degrees of crime. talk to me a little bit more about how this case has affected you personally. i know you have kept across it and it is hard to listen to. some of the evidence was very hard to listen to. i some of the evidence was very hard to listen to.— hard to listen to. i did not listen to _ hard to listen to. i did not listen to any _ hard to listen to. i did not listen to any of— hard to listen to. i did not listen to any of the - hard to listen to. i did not i listen to any of the evidence actually _ listen to any of the evidence actually but i read the whole

transcript and all the stories i transcript and all the stories i could — transcript and all the stories i could about it because, as a lot of— i could about it because, as a lot of women, because once again _ lot of women, because once again... there was some kind of catharsis — again... there was some kind of catharsis because what we know is that _ catharsis because what we know is that in— catharsis because what we know is that in a — catharsis because what we know is that in a lot of rape cases you — is that in a lot of rape cases you don't— is that in a lot of rape cases you don't have evidence. people are always — you don't have evidence. people are always doubting of the victims' _ are always doubting of the victims' version. and the victims _ victims' version. and the victims themselves sometimes are doubting themselves. so what — are doubting themselves. so what happens in that case it was — what happens in that case it was perfect because we had the evidence — was perfect because we had the evidence. we had many different man two— evidence. we had many different man two men, so what i believe happened — man two men, so what i believe happened for many victims of sexual— happened for many victims of sexual assault is that you could _ sexual assault is that you could relive your own case through _ could relive your own case through this case. we identified a lot with the victim _ identified a lot with the victim. also because there were so many— victim. also because there were so many different types of men that one — so many different types of men that one of them, probably look

like the — that one of them, probably look like the one who assaulted you. ithink— like the one who assaulted you. i think that what a lot of girls— i think that what a lot of girls and women felt without really — girls and women felt without really saying it like this. the catharsis _ really saying it like this. the catharsis was really important. also _ catharsis was really important. also to — catharsis was really important. also to watch this man and to listen — also to watch this man and to listen to— also to watch this man and to listen to them and to see. we were — listen to them and to see. we were all— listen to them and to see. we were all curious to hear what they— were all curious to hear what they had _ were all curious to hear what they had to say, how they justified _ they had to say, how they justified themselves. and that was in — justified themselves. and that was in many cases really infuriating because they don't have — infuriating because they don't have any— infuriating because they don't have any rational explanation or they— have any rational explanation or they don't respect the victim _ or they don't respect the victim and a lot of them don't recognise _ victim and a lot of them don't recognise or take responsibility for what they did — responsibility for what they did. that is also something we have _ did. that is also something we have to — did. that is also something we have to do... did. that is also something we have to do. . ._ have to do... victoire, thank ou. if have to do... victoire, thank you- if we — have to do... victoire, thank you. if we can _ have to do... victoire, thank you. if we can just _ have to do... victoire, thank you. if we can just stop - have to do... victoire, thank you. if we can just stop you | you. if we can just stop you right there. gisele pelicot is coming out of court. let's have a listen. gisele pelicot.

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allthe otherfamilies. i children. i think also about all the other families. i think to the — all the other families. i think to the victims of the storage which — to the victims of the storage which are _ to the victims of the storage which are often in the shadows and we — which are often in the shadows and we had the same struggle. i want _ and we had the same struggle. i want to— and we had the same struggle. i want to express my gratitude to all the _ want to express my gratitude to all the people who supported me during _ all the people who supported me during this difficult time. your— during this difficult time. your statements have really moved — your statements have really moved me and they have given me the strength to come back every day from — the strength to come back every day from these long days of the trial _ day from these long days of the trial i_ day from these long days of the trial. i would like to also thank— trial. i would like to also thank the association of victims _ thank the association of victims who have really helped me without fail and to all the journalists who have followed me and — journalists who have followed me and followed this affair from — me and followed this affair from the beginning. i would like — from the beginning. i would like to— from the beginning. i would like to express my gratitude for the — like to express my gratitude for the treatment, faithful and respectful, that you have, on a daily— respectful, that you have, on a daily basis— respectful, that you have, on a daily basis followed the proceedings. to my lawyers, finally. — proceedings. to my lawyers, finally. i— proceedings. to my lawyers, finally, i would like to express my recognition and the esteem — express my recognition and the esteem i— express my recognition and the esteem i have to them

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