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tv   The Context  BBC News  January 2, 2025 9:00pm-9:30pm GMT

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hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. he was just flying down and we weren't paying attention, and he was going really fast and everything happened so, so quickly. let me be very clear about this point. this was an act of terrorism. it was premeditated and an evil act. this is a lone actor. therefore, we are confident - that we can open bourbon street and the rest of our city. we're going to continue to relentlessly pursue isis and other terror organisations where they are, and they'll find no safe harbour here.
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the next few days. snow and ice is forecast over the weekend. it comes as people are still working to clear up the damage
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caused by widespread flooding across much of the north—west of england. 12 people were killed in a shooting in montenegro on new year's day — in a series of shootings by a single gunman. authorities said the man — a 45—year—old — had been drinking heavily, before getting into an altercation with a guest at a restaurant in the southern city of cetinje. he later returned to the restaurant with a gun, before killing several customers. and the rapper stormzy has been banned from driving for nine months after an off—duty police officer caught him using a mobile phone behind the wheel of a rolls—royce in london in march last year. welcome to the programme. many of those who died on bourbon street on new year's eve, were in new orleans to celebrate the promise of the year to come — among the 1a killed was ni'kyra cheyenne dedeaux, a young woman who was about to
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begin a major to become a nurse, reggie hunter a father of two who was celebrating the new year with his cousin and martin tiger bech, a former football player at princeton university. our colleague sumi somiskanda has been speaking in the last hour to his brotherjack, himself a football player at texas christian university. jack, thank you forjoining us. i am so sorry for your loss. how are you and your family doing today? we how are you and your family doing today?— how are you and your family doing today? we are doing all riuht. doing today? we are doing all right. obviously _ doing today? we are doing all right. obviously it's _ doing today? we are doing all right. obviously it's pretty - right. obviously it's pretty tough, you know, losing somebody like my brother. he was such a great person. he had so many friends. if i were to put an announcer, if i were to ask who was his best friend, many people would stand up. he was my best friend, i looked up
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for to him for everything. all i ever wanted to do was make him proud. he was so selfless and kind, resilient, and my parents and my sisters have been pretty emotional as you could think and i'm just trying to be the rock for them. it's been pretty tough, though. i been pretty tough, though. i can't imagine how devastating this moment is for you and your family, jack. your family is from louisiana. i understand that tiger was living in new york, so tell us what he was doing over the holidays, why was he in new orleans? yeah, he came home _ was he in new orleans? yeah, he came home for— was he in new orleans? yeah, he came home for the _ was he in new orleans? yeah, he came home for the christmas - came home for the christmas holidays and new years for new york for a couple of weeks, and he was working from home. me and him, we were hunting, he was with my family every day. we hunted, we fished, he ate
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more gumbo than anyone could possibly eat. he was cooking for us. taking naps with all of us. just hanging out. he was seeing all his friends, people he hasn't seen in so long. and there's just, he hasn't seen in so long. and there'sjust, i think he hasn't seen in so long. and there's just, i think god was preparing us for this moment, the way he was just going about it. it was just different, the way he was just going about it. it wasjust different, it was the best christmas me and my family have ever had. and you can watch the rest of that interview in full from ”pm gmt, in around two hours, here on bbc news. it's so difficult to listen to that, young people in the prime of their lives snatched away in such a selfish and senseless act. how do you square that with the identity of this man who was involved, someone who himself had given part of his life to service. 13 years in the military, eight on active duty, honourable discharge and then
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this. �* , , honourable discharge and then this. 3 , honourable discharge and then this. �*, , ., ., this. it'sjust really hard to understand. _ this. it'sjust really hard to understand. these - this. it'sjust really hard to understand. these kinds i this. it'sjust really hard to | understand. these kinds of activities. people do very strange things for a very strange things for a very strange reasons and sometimes they do horrible things like we saw just a day they do horrible things like we sawjust a day ago. here in new orleans. it's difficult to square this, it clearly was a link to islamic ideology and extreme islamic ideology, there are indications that president biden and others have pointed out that there was an influence of isis on, or the islamic state on his thinking and his social media profile, so that may have been one of the reasons. we should concern that in a world in which too many people are feeling lost and unanchored and unmoored from society or from unanchored and unmoored from society orfrom family unanchored and unmoored from society or from family or other structures that they can take
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these kind of activities and we have an internet which enables you to find out exactly what it is you need to do to plan for it, as this seemed to be meticulously planned. and act in this incredible, horrific way. it doesn't help the people who lost their loved ones and who lost their loved ones and who were affected by this, and it just who were affected by this, and itjust means we have to be more and more careful and find ways to both counter the ideology and importantly to enhance the security of large gatherings of people. justine, the character _ gatherings of people. justine, the character of _ gatherings of people. justine, the character of this _ gatherings of people. justine, the character of this man - gatherings of people. justine, the character of this man is i the character of this man is familiar to me. the character of this man is familiarto me. i've the character of this man is familiar to me. i've covered so many of these kind of incidents, the driving in niece that killed many people across the front in niece. i can think of many others. the profile is very similar. you have someone who suddenly has a collapse in
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their life and in their livelihood, i mean, this man was divorced, he has a driving conviction, driving under the influence conviction in north carolina, he then goes to this painful divorce and now this. is there anything we can do as society to spot this early and perhaps we have in these instances? i perhaps we have in these instances?— perhaps we have in these instances? i think it is very difficult. — instances? i think it is very difficult, certainly - instances? i think it is very difficult, certainly we've i instances? i think it is very. difficult, certainly we've had similar— difficult, certainly we've had similar attacks in the sense as you've — similar attacks in the sense as you've talked about, christian, and the — you've talked about, christian, and the uk, and i think when you talk_ and the uk, and i think when you talk to intelligence services about the kind of psychological profiles of these people. — psychological profiles of these people, they often are for various_ people, they often are for various reasons steadily detached perhaps from friends and family and in a sense what were_ and family and in a sense what were places that is a sense of purpose — were places that is a sense of purpose that as we've seen goes in a direction that leads them to take — in a direction that leads them to take terrible steps and commit _ to take terrible steps and commit acts of terrorism. so we can understand more of that profile, _ can understand more of that profile, but when you have these _
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profile, but when you have these so—called lone wolf actors _ these so—called lone wolf actors who are essentially radicalising themselves throughout —— perhaps to the internet. _ throughout —— perhaps to the internet, is extremely hard for the authorities to track these people — the authorities to track these people. it's almost impossible to know— people. it's almost impossible to know which one of these people _ to know which one of these people will necessarily take these — people will necessarily take these next steps. it underlines these next steps. it underlines the challenges that we face in europe — the challenges that we face in europe and i think certainly the information sharing in terms _ the information sharing in terms of— the information sharing in terms of us and europe and uk, is absolutely crucial to help our american friends get more on top — our american friends get more on top of— our american friends get more on top of these sorts of threats _ on top of these sorts of threats. i think thus far we havent— threats. i think thus far we haven't really seen america face — haven't really seen america face as_ haven't really seen america face as many of as europe. but as ou face as many of as europe. but as you rightly _ face as many of as europe. but as you rightly say, _ face as many of as europe. emit as you rightly say, they have to be right 100% of the time. let'sjust bring you to be right 100% of the time. let's just bring you up to speed with what we've heard. we know of course tonight that the sugar bowl, the quarterfinal which was postponed yesterday, itjust kicked off at the superdome.
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that is just a mile from the french quarter where the 1a people lost their lives yesterday. the security perimeter around that stadium extended tonight to reassure those who had to postpone their arrangements yesterday. the question the fbi is seeking to anwer, is why the man involved, shamsud—dinjabbar, a veteran who had served 13 years in the us military, eight of them on active duty, was declaring his support for islamic state militants. at a press conference earlier, investigators say they have been busy building up a better picture of events, which they do now believe to be a premeditated act of terrorism. but on the information they currently have, they do not believe jabbar was working with anyone else. at this point, currently, and this is another position, another factor want to be clear on. we do not assess at this point that anyone else was involved in this attack except for shamsud—dinjabbar, the subject you've already been briefed on. jabbar had rented the truck on the turo app two days before the attack. he drove it from texas to new orleans, and in the early
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hours of new year's day before the attack he recorded five videos in which he said he had joined isis in the summer. two improvised explosive devises were identified by the fbi which jabber had placed in coolers in the area just a few hours before the attack. joining me now is director of the national counterterrorism innovation, technology, and education centre for the us department of homeland security, gina ligon. did i pronounce that right, is it? ., y ., did i pronounce that right, is it?_ thank i did i pronounce that right, is i it?_ thank you it? you did, you did. thank you for being _ it? you did, you did. thank you for being with _ it? you did, you did. thank you for being with us. _ it? you did, you did. thank you for being with us. can - it? you did, you did. thank you for being with us. can we - it? you did, you did. thank you for being with us. can we talk l for being with us. can we talk about the threat level in the united states at the moment? because obviously the fbi has been warning for some time but there was an elevated risk from this lone wolf style attack. do you think that the threat level has to change in line with what has happened in the last few days? has happened in the last few da s? p, has happened in the last few da s? . , ., �* has happened in the last few das? . , days? yeah, you're absolutely riuht. days? yeah, you're absolutely right- the _ days? yeah, you're absolutely right. the department - days? yeah, you're absolutely right. the department of-
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right. the department of homeland security also took out national threat advisories before the national holidays specifically about vehicle ranks. they've been picking up on english based channels, ices supporting channels that i was being encouraged over the holidays, so i think we are at a heightened alert right now and the intelligence community is on a higher alert right now then perhaps we were december 31. i then perhaps we were december 31. 4' .., then perhaps we were december 31. 4' .. ., then perhaps we were december 31. i think we can all accept that social _ 31. i think we can all accept that social media _ 31. i think we can all accept that social media at - 31. i think we can all accept that social media at the - 31. i think we can all accept - that social media at the moment is pretty much like the wild west, for all the assurances we are given there are videos you can find that people might be inspired by, might turn to at times of crisis as we've discussed. do we need to do more, at limiting access to this sort of extremist material this sort of extremist material this man might�*ve been looking at? this man might've been looking at? p, this man might've been looking at? . . �*, . this man might've been looking at? . ., �*, ., . at? yeah, that's an excellent question- _ at? yeah, that's an excellent question. it's _ at? yeah, that's an excellent question. it's so _ at? yeah, that's an excellent question. it's so different - question. it's so different here in the united states because of our first amendment, freedom of press, you know, in
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being able to... we do show features of the attacker and assailant, we do show videos on social media. it would be very difficult here to pass any kind of a legislation that would prohibit that. i think for us, what i get concerned about is the specifics around the operational guidance that people might be taking that's one thing to be inspired by it but it's another to feel enabled and emboldened that you might be able to do something like that yourself.— like that yourself. there's a very distinct _ like that yourself. there's a very distinct difference - like that yourself. there's a l very distinct difference which you just put your finger on there, isis inspired or isis directed, i was making this point the last hour. there are two very different things but an important part of the investigation.— an important part of the investigation. an important part of the investiration. . �* , investigation. yeah, we've been trackina investigation. yeah, we've been tracking isis _ investigation. yeah, we've been tracking isis adjudicated - investigation. yeah, we've been tracking isis adjudicated cases l tracking isis adjudicated cases in the us federal system for the past ten years and about 250 cases have made it through the us federal courts so yes, this was a successful attempt at an attack but there have
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been many others that have been thwarted or foiled been many others that have been thwarted orfoiled if you thwarted or foiled if you will, the majority of those have been what we call inspired or enabled. enabled is where they do have some general guidance in the form of operational manuals or pretty specific attack guidance, but not necessarily from a person overseas. and that would be directed, which are more sophisticated.— directed, which are more sohisticated. , . sophisticated. gina, stay with us if ou sophisticated. gina, stay with us if you would. _ sophisticated. gina, stay with us if you would. i _ sophisticated. gina, stay with us if you would. i want - sophisticated. gina, stay with us if you would. i want to - sophisticated. gina, stay with| us if you would. i want to play for our viewers some of the warnings that we've had in recent months from the intelligence community. we have discussed the loan worlds terror attacks. that would be individuals acting alone as well as attacks from small groups. the fbi director christopher wray has warned previously of the recruitment efforts by isis and the afghanistan based branch of the group isis—k especially since the us withdrawal. and that warning that has been echoed here in the uk by the m15 chief ken mccullum. you've seen a veritable rogue's gallery of foreign terrorist organisations calling for terrorist attacks against us in a way that we haven't seen in a long, long time.
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we are very concerned about the risk of inspired attacks. lone actors here, inspired by some of those same calls for violence from over in the middle east. today's islamic state is not the force it was a decade ago, but after a few years of being pinned well back, they have resumed efforts to export terrorism. we and many european partners are detecting is connectivity are detecting is connectivity in our homelands, which we're moving early to disrupt. i'm watching, chris for ray there, and i'm bound to think he is the retiring fbi director, there is an income or, cash patel who has been nominated. the patel who has been nomin
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