in terms of your reflections of this presidency, what is foremost in your mind? the 19705 were _ foremost in your mind? the 1970s were a _ foremost in your mind? the 1970s were a very _ foremost in your mind? iie: 19705 were a very difficult 1970s were a very difficult time for america economically and otherwise and carter's administration wound up being very identified with that. he left office with a reputation of having become very unpopular with the public, and that has gradually been eclipsed by not only the things he did afterwards but also a re—evaluation of how successful his term was. we know a lot of the things experienced by him during his term was inflation, theissue during his term was inflation, the issue on which the public

threw him out. but carter laid the foundation. you can say that about a number of the economic woes of this period. it was deftly a period of slow growth, unemployment and yet the reforms carter were making are widely credited as having been very important in the rise of the us economy since then. those who knew him well talk about a hugely intelligent man, but also someone who worked incredibly hard, but someone who was absolutely to his core fundamentally decent. it is fascinating _ fundamentally decent. it is fascinating because - fundamentally decent. it is fascinating because it - fundamentally decent. it 3 fascinating because it is hard to think of any president who

is moral in office, while in the most powerful position in the most powerful position in the world. that had its effects, good and bad, good in the sense we can look back in admiration, bad in the sense that they hurt his popularity or effectiveness in the eyes of his critics. among the examples, on a foreign policy, he was above all, putting human rights is an element in us foreign policy. and people were appalled that he seemed to be picking fights are countries because of the human rights violations. but it set the tone, where as his opponent said this is one of the reasons why iran went bad and a number of other countries. on the

domestic side as well, he came, and especially in a non—parliamentary section, and evenin non—parliamentary section, and even in the numbers of his own parties, carter came in and was the first thing he did was to identify in the budget a lot of things that were there just because they helped the five members of parliament and he declared against those projects. as a policy analyst and moralist, i have to admire that. he was acting on behalf of the interest of the american public. but you can imagine what happened next is it got off on a bad fit and he never recovered. it was one of the reasons ted kennedy was able to challenge him at the primary.

it is one of the reasons why many members of his own party winner out there campaigning for him. so many of the areas, or is perhaps be not as unscrupulous as peasants usually are.— unscrupulous as peasants usually are. thank you for bein: usually are. thank you for being here _ usually are. thank you for being here with _ usually are. thank you for being here with us. -- - being here with us. -- presidents. _ being here with us. -- presidents. i'm - being here with us. -- presidents. i'm goingl being here with us. -- i presidents. i'm going to being here with us. -- - presidents. i'm going to put my ictures presidents. i'm going to put my pictures on _ presidents. i'm going to put my pictures on the _ presidents. i'm going to put my pictures on the scene. - presidents. i'm going to put my pictures on the scene. we - presidents. i'm going to put my pictures on the scene. we saw| pictures on the scene. we saw the hearse move. these are the live pictures that we are getting from dobbins air reserve base, just a short distance away, as the next part of the journey, they prepare for. because that quotation will arrive there in the next few moments, head of the coffin

being picked there on to that aircraft, and it has been described as the special air mission 39, and of course president carter was the 39th us president, and his family will escort the coffin to washington to the rotunda, where gary o'donoghue was talking to us earlier on. we will talk to him again any moment or two. butjimmy carter because my four children will because my four children will be on board that flight, that carries the former president from georgia to washington. we will continue with these live pictures as i bring gary o'donoghue back into the conversation. gary, it has been interesting listening to a variety of contributors talking aboutjimmy carter, and we have heard this through the course of the last seven or eight days, where there has been so much re—evaluation ofjimmy carter's presidency, a

reflection of the long arc of work, over a lifetime of public service, and perhaps a more complicated picture than the immediate aftermath of those months when he left office. i think the sheer length of time since he left the white house means there will have been quite naturally these various moments of vision over his legacy and his achievements, and his failures. those things go through phases, different periods of historical analysis, different generations of historians that go back and take a fresh view of these things, and we are talking history here, and we're not talking contemporary political life, we are talking about the previous century. and i think also the other factor you have to remember is that because of the nature of constitution and now we have a 2—term limit on presidents. if you do not do

two terms, somehow that is by definition a failure. and so i think he suffers from that particular problem as well, but there were also other real big problems you have been talking about, this huge period of stagflation, logos,, high stagflation, logos, , high inflation, stagflation, logos,, high inflation, gas prices, problems over the iran hostage, taking of the iran hostage and the failed rescue attempt. all those kinds of things. some misjudged moments, speeches he was criticised for afterwards, it is a coronation of all those factors that have meant it is the rather complicated view of his presidency, and perhaps a more sophisticated view that has developed over the years since he left the white house, and will continue to develop now that he has passed away. events in georgia are coming to a close, just tell people who are watching what happens when he arrives they are in washington, ahead of the state funeral, at the state funeral itself. ., , ,

itself. so the next, anytime is a former— itself. so the next, anytime is a former president _ itself. so the next, anytime is a former president dies, - itself. so the next, anytime is| a former president dies, there is a period of a week or perhaps slightly longer, perhaps slightly longer, perhaps slightly longer, perhaps slightly shorter, various events. we have seen those played out in georgia over the last few days, his home state, the place where he was governor. he will take that short flight from atlanta to washington, dc, it is about an hour and a half, washington, dc, it is about an hourand a half, and washington, dc, it is about an hour and a half, and a half, washington, dc, it is about an hourand a half, and a half, an hourand a half, and a half, an hour or 45 minutes and so. that flight will land at the base in maryland, north—east of dc. and thatis maryland, north—east of dc. and that is the place where air force one takes off and lands, where presidents come and go from the capital. and from there he will go to the memorial because he was a navy officer, just after the second world war. and once a small ceremony has taken place there, he will be brought to the capital here, where there will be some speeches from various congressional leaders, from both sides of the aisle, and in

that period of lying in state will take place with the public will take place with the public will get the opportunity to come and file past, stopped a moment, have a thought, many of them perhaps will not even rememberjimmy carter as president, some of them well, many won't. and then on thursday morning, his casket, his coffin will be taken to the national cathedral here in washington, where that funeral service, that state funeral service, that state funeral service will take place with the eulogy given by the current presidentjoe biden, and the other living presidents, all of the other living presidents in the other living presidents in the congregation.— the other living presidents in the congregation. thanks once aaain. the congregation. thanks once again- as _ the congregation. thanks once again- as we _ the congregation. thanks once again. as we continue - the congregation. thanks once again. as we continue to - the congregation. thanks once| again. as we continue to watch these live pictures from georgia. we will talk to robert strong again any moment or two, he interviewedjimmy strong again any moment or two, he interviewed jimmy carter multiple times for a history project he was doing, so we will talk to him again on the programme in the next few minutes. but i want to come away from that. we have been

juggfing away from that. we have been juggling the event there in georgia and we will be showing you the pictures from mara largo, donald trump at his news conference. he he will revoke offshore oil and gas, bands and vast areas of the one of his presidency, so it's a living comment coming from donald trump. comment coming from donald trum -. . , comment coming from donald trum -. ._ ., comment coming from donald trum. ., , trump. the way to give people of this back — trump. the way to give people of this back is _ trump. the way to give people of this back is to _ trump. the way to give people of this back is to give - trump. the way to give people of this back is to give rectory l of this back is to give rectory to them. i think it is illegal what they do —— victory to them. thejudge in florida, judge cannon was brilliant and tough and she didn't stand for it, and i don't know her. and never met her until the case, and i don't believe i said even one word to her. but she was very, very strong and brilliant, and her opinion was so brilliant they dropped their appeal. they couldn't beat the appeal. they couldn't beat the appeal. that is what we are up against, so they say we are going to have a smooth

transition. all they do is talk. everything they do is talk. everything they do is talk. we are going to have a smooth transition and undertake 625 billion and the essentially landmark so you can't drill their again. we are going to be drilling soon. we are going to be opening up anwar and doing all sorts of things, that nobody ever thought was even possible., but remember, and suggest to get off the subject because i couldn't believe it when i heard it yesterday, i can believe the size of it. it is just massive. and can believe the size of it. it isjust massive. and remember that that is worth probably, i have had estimates of 40— $50 trillion, more than our national debt. essentially he has thrown it away, thrown it away. he has taken 50 trillion, so the over 35 trillion, he has taken $50 trillion of value and thrown it right out the window. we can do that. nobody can do

that. one other thing he did yesterday, which was in many ways worse, it is hard to believe it can be worse, he wants all gas heaters out of your homes and apartments. he wants them to be replaced by essentially electric heaters. i don't know what it is with electric, this guy loves electric. we will be ending the electric. we will be ending the electric mandate quickly. this guy loves electric. we don't have enough electricity and we have enough electricity and we have ai where we need more and he wants everybody to have an electric heater instead of a gas the gas heater is a lot less expensive. the heat is better. it is a better heat. as the expression goes, you don't itch. does anybody have a heater where you are scratching. that is what they want you to have. they don't want you to have. they don't want you to have. they don't want you to have gas or you don't have the problems of the electric. and the sauce is plentiful. they are much cheaper to operate a much better, they worked much

better, they worked much better, look much better. 60% of homes and apartments have gas heaters. he wants them all removed quickly. these people are crazy. there is something wrong with them. there is something wrong with them. they also want to go back and they have already started that, when you buy a faucet know what comes out because they want to preserve it. even in areas where you have so much water you don't know what to do, it is called rain, it comes down from heaven, and they want to do no water comes out of the shower, it goes drip, drip, drip, so what happens, you are in the shower ten times as well. no water comes out of the faucet, you want to wash your hands, they want to go back to even stronger than what they have right now. i ended that policy. you can have all the water you want, it makes no difference. especially in certain areas, we have so much water we don't know what to do with it. but these are all things, they want very little water to go into dishwasher,

almost none stop to keep pressing. the end up using more water. likewise washing machines. they want in your washing machine to have very little water coming out of the washing machine so when you washing machine so when you wash your clothing you have to wash your clothing you have to wash four times as anyone's. you end up using more water. we are a party of common sense. and things i am telling you now is all about common sense. and january 20th we will turn the economy around very quickly because right now when i think of our economy i think about inflation. that is what we have. we have inflation. i believe at a level we have never had before. there has never had before. there has never been anything like it. over the next four years the united states is going to take off like a rocket ship, but really it is already doing it, if you take a look. just last month southbank announced the $200 billion, ithink it will $200 billion, i think it will be 200, and i said $200 billion, ithink it will be 200, and i said how that make it 200 and he sort of said

yes. let's say it is 100 but it might be 200. creating more than 100,000 jobs. tremendous investment, and that is money thatis investment, and that is money that is in the bank, he is going to come and do it and he will do a greatjob and build the best centres in the country, i guarantee because i know the way he builds. since my election the. tech has set records. the s&p 500 has broken has broken six on the point is the first time ever. small business optimism soared 41 points. it went up 41 points. and that is the largest in the 39 year history of the group that does it. according to gallup, the american people's governance in the economy has surged to the highest level in history. that is why i have a news conference like that. i take the greatest business leaders in the world and say do

you want to invest the