hello, i'm christian fraser. and this is the context. he travels here in his coffin today, to the navy memorial just up the road from here, and then he will be brought just across the road into the capitol building. carter represents, for many americans, a sense of decency and respect and integrity that americans want to believe is still possible. i got to see his warmth - and kindness, his humanity, but he was also somebody who never failed _ to follow through on what were | his most important convictions.

a very good evening. the flag—draped casket ofjimmy carter, the 39th president of the united states, has arrived this evening in washington, dc, where it is being transferred to the us capitol. over the next hour, the longest—lived of the us presidents will be taken up the steps of the us capitol to the rotunda, where he will lie in state until the funeral service on thursday at the national cathedral. the family, of course, is travelling with the casket. it left the carter center in georgia earlier this afternoon. the bad weather means we are about 90 minutes behind the published schedule. the motorcade is heading for the us navy memorial, in downtown dc, where the coffin will be transferred to a horse—drawn wagon. and from there, it will travel down pennsylvania avenue to the us capitol, escorted by the military body bearers. we are expecting a short service this evening at the rotunda, which president biden and the first lady will attend.

—— will not be attending. it will be senior members of congress, the family and the vice president, who will deliver the eulogy. the body will lie in state for two days of public viewing. with me tonight, the former us ambassador and long—time middle east envoy gina abercrombie winstanley. in the studio here, the us presidential historian laura smith. and joining us from capitol hill, gary o'donoghue. gary, let me start with you as we watch these pictures of the motorcade making its way to washington. jimmy carter was a very humble man, did not always warm to the conventions in washington, but this was one formality he could not really a staple of this is a day that had been in the planning almost since the 1980s. had been in the planning almost since the 19805.— had been in the planning almost since the 1980s.— since the 1980s. that's right. it is something _ since the 1980s. that's right. it is something that - since the 1980s. that's right. it is something that is - it is something that is accorded to former presidents

pretty much universally, a state funeral. the process always is taken over a period of days, anything from five or six days up to ten days sometimes, and you get those sermons we have seen in georgia which is his home state. bear in mind, he was the first southern president and i think probably around a hundred years, maybe a little more than that, and he came to washington in the 70s as an outsider, very much as an outsider, and i think he found some of the aspects of washington life very difficult, we know he had difficulties dealing with congress, this place where i am now, but he now enters the pantheon of former presidents, and he is accorded those rights as a result, and of course what we have had because of the length of time, christian, since he left the white house, we have had these periods of revision over his legacy one

way and the other that have come and gone as historians have different generations have written about him.— written about him. laura, pick u . written about him. laura, pick u- on written about him. laura, pick up on that. — written about him. laura, pick up on that, because _ written about him. laura, pick up on that, because presidentj up on that, because president george hw bush that he was constantly reviewing his funeral plans every six months. it is the process for the president, for the president's family, and he will have been forced to think about this, jimmy carter, in precise detail, about how this would all unfold.— all unfold. absolutely. this and making _ all unfold. absolutely. this and making a _ all unfold. absolutely. this and making a presenter- all unfold. absolutely. this - and making a presenter library the key— and making a presenter library the key parts of a presidency, and we — the key parts of a presidency, and we see some similarities. the last— and we see some similarities. the last president who passed away, — the last president who passed away, george hw bush, in 2018, his funeral— away, george hw bush, in 2018, his funeral was contentious in the sense, the trumpet family, he was — the sense, the trumpet family, he was president at the time, not very— he was president at the time, not very firmly at all with the bush — not very firmly at all with the bush family, comments that were made, _ bush family, comments that were made. so — bush family, comments that were made. so it— bush family, comments that were made, so it was quite an uncomfortable setting. he did not uncomfortable setting. he did hot talk— uncomfortable setting. he did not talk with the clintons. very — not talk with the clintons. very awkward. we do see a sense

of trump — very awkward. we do see a sense of trump not wanting to retreat that, _ of trump not wanting to retreat that, hot — of trump not wanting to retreat that, not wanting to start his presidency with that environment or atmosphere. ambassador, we should make mention of who is travelling with the casket, 33 family members, and his staff, his pastorfrom plains, georgia, all of them travelling to washington this afternoon. he was a deeply spiritual man and a very proud family man. yes, yes, he was, and it was something _ yes, yes, he was, and it was something that _ yes, yes, he was, and it was something that the - yes, yes, he was, and it was| something that the american people — something that the american people appreciated _ something that the american people appreciated about - something that the americanl people appreciated about him something that the american . people appreciated about him as welt _ people appreciated about him as welt that — people appreciated about him as well. that promise _ people appreciated about him as well. that promise he _ people appreciated about him as well. that promise he made - well. that promise he made about— well. that promise he made about hot— well. that promise he made about not telling _ well. that promise he made about not telling lies, - well. that promise he made about not telling lies, for. about not telling lies, for instance. _ about not telling lies, for instance, and _ about not telling lies, for instance, and at - about not telling lies, for instance, and at the - about not telling lies, forl instance, and at the time, about not telling lies, for. instance, and at the time, it was — instance, and at the time, it was ridiculed _ instance, and at the time, it was ridiculed a _ instance, and at the time, it was ridiculed a bit _ instance, and at the time, it was ridiculed a bit when - instance, and at the time, it was ridiculed a bit when he. was ridiculed a bit when he talked _ was ridiculed a bit when he talked about— was ridiculed a bit when he talked about lust _ was ridiculed a bit when he talked about lust in - was ridiculed a bit when he talked about lust in his - talked about lust in his heart but that— talked about lust in his heart but that commitments - talked about lust in his heart but that commitments to - talked about lust in his heart but that commitments to hisj but that commitments to his wife, — but that commitments to his wife, to— but that commitments to his wife, to his _ but that commitments to his wife, to his children, - but that commitments to his wife, to his children, it - but that commitments to his wife, to his children, it was. wife, to his children, it was something _ wife, to his children, it was something that _ wife, to his children, it was something that really - wife, to his children, it was something that really was i something that really was admired _ something that really was admired i— something that really was admired-— something that really was admired. ~' ., ~ ., admired. i think he “oked that althou:h admired. i think he “oked that although the _ admired. i think he joked that although the family _ admired. i think he joked that although the family took - admired. i think he joked that l although the family took annual leave to come together every year, he had to pay for it. he hoped it would continue as long as he kept paying for it. he

did cherish those moments when they all came down to plains, georgia. they all came down to plains, georaia. ~ , , ~' georgia. absolutely. ithink that is of — georgia. absolutely. ithink that is of the _ georgia. absolutely. ithink that is of the money - georgia. absolutely. ithink| that is of the money parents have — that is of the money parents have discovered! _ that is of the money parents have discovered! —— - that is of the money parents have discovered! —— that- that is of the money parents have discovered! —— that is. have discovered! —— that is something _ have discovered! —— that is something that. _ have discovered! —— that is something that. we - have discovered! -- that is something that.— have discovered! -- that is something that. we are going to see mcgarry. — something that. we are going to see mcgarry, this _ something that. we are going to see mcgarry, this motorcade - see mcgarry, this motorcade arrive at the naval memorial, halfway down pennsylvania avenue. it is going to evoke that moment when he came to power in 1977. in fact, he was really one of the first people to walk the length of pennsylvania avenue, from the capital to the white house, and if you think in what context he did that, afterjfk and what had happened tojfk and also the sort of imperial nature of nixon, that he was trying to get away from.— nixon, that he was trying to get away from. that's right. he was always _ get away from. that's right. he was always better, _ get away from. that's right. he was always better, and - get away from. that's right. he was always better, and this - get away from. that's right. he was always better, and this is l was always better, and this is what people who knew him well say, he was always better when he was close up with people. he was not one for making or was

not good at making speeches to huge crowds or rallies, much better off talking to people face—to—face, couple hundred people in a room, that kind of thing. that is where he made his mark particularly in iowa, when he got that big start in the caucuses, when he won the primaries that year. excuse me. the other thing i want to mention is of course we are talking aboutjimmy carter in historical terms here and of course one of the big things about his presidency is this whole thing about the enema canal, and that's become very live today because donald trump in the midst of this journey of this final journey of in the midst of this journey of this finaljourney ofjimmy this final journey ofjimmy carter, this finaljourney ofjimmy carter, has raised the question jimmy this final journey ofjimmy carter, this finaljourney ofjimmy carter, has raised the question of the panama canal and has of the panama canal and has said that it should never have said that it should never have been given away for a dollar as been given away for a dollar as he put it, and has not ruled he put it, and has not ruled out the possibility of trying out the possibility of trying to take it back, potentially by to take it back, potentially by military force, so his legacy military force, so his legacy even right now, even in these even right now, even in these moments, of these state moments, of these state

processions and these very processions and these very formalised and ritualistic formalised and ritualistic moments, even now, his legacy and his decisions are being fought over in a very live political sense.— fought over in a very live political sense. yeah, i think it is a good _ political sense. yeah, i think it is a good point _ political sense. yeah, i think it is a good point that - political sense. yeah, i think it is a good point that you i it is a good point that you make, gary, that there are many issues which were relevant to him at this time which are still relevant today we should talk about that press conference this afternoon. while the late president's casket was being transferred tojoint base andrews this afternoon, the incoming president donald trump was holding a press conference at mar—a—lago in florida, his second news conference since winning the election. and fair to say, as gary suggests, the headlines from it will be ringing alarm bells in many foreign capitals. mr trump refused to rule out using military force to retake the panama canal. he said he would "tariff denmark at a very high level" if it does not give greenland to the united states. he suggested renaming the gulf of mexico the gulf of america —

i thought it was a terrible thing to do. if those hostages aren't back — i don't want to hurt your negotiation — if they're not back by the time i get into office, all hell will break out in the middle east. well, we need greenland for national security purposes. i've been told that for a long time. are you also considering military force to annex and acquire canada? no, economic force, because canada and the united states, that would really be something. but why are we supporting a country 200 billion—plus a year? our military is at their disposal, all of these other things. they should be a state. that's what i told trudeau. i hope to have six months. no, iwould think, i hope, long before six months. look, russia is losing a lot of young people and so is ukraine.

gary, we are often told not to take everything donald trump says literally, but i would suggest denmark takes it very seriously, the danish king has just made greenland a much bigger part of the coat of arms, and we have had a quote from justin trudeau, outgoing canadian prime ministers, who says there is not a snowball�*s chance in hell canada will become the 51st state of the united states, so there clearly is alarm bells ringing in foreign capitals after today's press conference.— foreign capitals after today's press conference. yeah, and i think it is _ press conference. yeah, and i think it is worth _ press conference. yeah, and i think it is worth saying, - think it is worth saying, there's a couple of things that are important to note here. donald trump will be the president of the united states in 13 days' time, that makes anything he says news, anything he says is important. it is also insane i think that one of the things we know from his first term, and indeed the years after, is that sometimes there is some posturing, sometimes you might even describe that as sort of

negotiation out loud, megaphone diplomacy of whatever you want to call it, that does not come to call it, that does not come to anything. sometimes it does come to something for some so i think context is important, but we cannot sure i don't think how serious it is some of these things —— sometimes it does come to something. he is serious about something like nato, because he has been consistent and he did get some concessions from nato. whether he really means candidates should be 51st state, i really don't know and i don't think anyone knows, and i would be missed if anyone in his in a circle really knows the answer to that —— canada should be. these things, we have to take seriously but we also have to remember that this is a very, very sophisticated and effective way of sucking up the oxygen of publicity of the news cycle, of dominating free media in this country and around the world, and as you say, keeping lots and lots of diplomats, lots and lots of diplomats,

lots and lots of diplomats, lots and lots of heads of government and lots and lots of capitals around the globe on their toes.— capitals around the globe on their toes. �* , ., , their toes. ambassador, gary questions _ their toes. ambassador, gary questions how _ their toes. ambassador, gary questions how we _ their toes. ambassador, gary questions how we should - questions how we should characterise it at this moment, and the style in which he delivers it. ukrainian colic in the office this afternoon remarked that when he refers in this way to canada, and greenland, as crucial to our security, and we have friends there but we should all be one country, he sounds a lot like vladimir putin. it is the same imperial languages.— imperial languages. that is a very interesting _ imperial languages. that is a very interesting thing, - imperial languages. that is a very interesting thing, and i imperial languages. that is a l very interesting thing, and the antithesis— very interesting thing, and the antithesis of— very interesting thing, and the antithesis of president - very interesting thing, and the antithesis of president carter. | antithesis of president carter. he made _ antithesis of president carter. he made the _ antithesis of president carter. he made the decision - antithesis of president carter. he made the decision to- antithesis of president carter. he made the decision to givel he made the decision to give ttack— he made the decision to give back the _ he made the decision to give back the panama _ he made the decision to give back the panama canal- he made the decision to give i back the panama canal because it was— back the panama canal because it was costing _ back the panama canal because it was costing the _ back the panama canal because it was costing the united - it was costing the united states— it was costing the united states a _ it was costing the united states a lot _ it was costing the united states a lot and - it was costing the united states a lot and it - it was costing the united states a lot and it was i states a lot and it was controversial. - states a lot and it was controversial. it - states a lot and it was controversial. it was l states a lot and it was . controversial. it was not states a lot and it was - controversial. it was not an inexoensive _ controversial. it was not an inexpensive entity - controversial. it was not an inexpensive entity to - controversial. it was not an i inexpensive entity to maintain and it— inexpensive entity to maintain and it belongs— inexpensive entity to maintain and it belongs to _ inexpensive entity to maintain and it belongs to canada, - inexpensive entity to maintain and it belongs to canada, so i and it belongs to canada, so suggesting _ and it belongs to canada, so suggesting that _ and it belongs to canada, so suggesting that it _ and it belongs to canada, so suggesting that it would - and it belongs to canada, so suggesting that it would be. suggesting that it would be taken — suggesting that it would be taken ttack— suggesting that it would be taken back or— suggesting that it would be taken back or suggesting . suggesting that it would be . taken back or suggesting that force — taken back or suggesting that force will— taken back or suggesting that force will be _ taken back or suggesting that force will be used _ taken back or suggesting that force will be used would - taken back or suggesting thatj force will be used would bring all of— force will be used would bring all of that— force will be used would bring all of that back, _ force will be used would bring all of that back, and - force will be used would bring all of that back, and while - all of that back, and while taking _ all of that back, and while

taking him _ all of that back, and while taking him seriously, - all of that back, and while i taking him seriously, many american _ taking him seriously, many american presidents, - taking him seriously, many american presidents, as. taking him seriously, many. american presidents, as well taking him seriously, many- american presidents, as well as diplomats, _ american presidents, as well as diplomats, leaders— american presidents, as well as diplomats, leaders around - american presidents, as well as diplomats, leaders around the i diplomats, leaders around the world, — diplomats, leaders around the world, understand _ diplomats, leaders around the world, understand that - diplomats, leaders around the world, understand that what l diplomats, leaders around the . world, understand that what you personally — world, understand that what you personally want _ world, understand that what you personally want or— world, understand that what you personally want or want - world, understand that what you personally want or want to - world, understand that what you personally want or want to have i personally want or want to have happen — personally want or want to have happen does— personally want or want to have happen does not— personally want or want to have happen does not necessarily- happen does not necessarily happen, _ happen does not necessarily happen. it _ happen does not necessarily happen, it does _ happen does not necessarily happen, it does not - happen does not necessarily happen, it does not matter. happen does not necessarily. happen, it does not matterjust because — happen, it does not matterjust because the _ happen, it does not matterjust because the president - happen, it does not matterjust because the president of - happen, it does not matterjust because the president of the i because the president of the united — because the president of the united states... _ because the president of the united states. . ._ because the president of the united states... except that he negotiates _ united states... except that he negotiates in — united states... except that he negotiates in a _ united states... except that he negotiates in a zero-sum - negotiates in a zero—sum fashion, and what he is talking about is using economic force. he is talking about significant tariffs on denmark, significant tariffs, economic force in dealing with an ally like canada. that is very different to the incumbent of the oval office talking about what he would like a.— office talking about what he would like a. that's true, but we also know— would like a. that's true, but we also know that _ would like a. that's true, but we also know that what - would like a. that's true, but we also know that what he i would like a. that's true, but l we also know that what he has said _ we also know that what he has said today _ we also know that what he has said today maybe _ we also know that what he has said today maybe 180 - we also know that what he has said today maybe 180 degreesj said today maybe 180 degrees different — said today maybe 180 degrees different than— said today maybe 180 degrees different than what _ said today maybe 180 degrees different than what he - said today maybe 180 degrees different than what he says i different than what he says tomorrow _ different than what he says tomorrow. and _ different than what he says tomorrow. and he - different than what he says tomorrow. and he is - different than what he says tomorrow. and he is not i different than what he says l tomorrow. and he is not yet president _ tomorrow. and he is not yet president. once _ tomorrow. and he is not yet president. once he- tomorrow. and he is not yet president. once he gets - tomorrow. and he is not yetl president. once he gets back tomorrow. and he is not yet. president. once he gets back in the office — president. once he gets back in the office delegates— president. once he gets back in the office delegates a _ president. once he gets back in the office delegates a full- the office delegates a full briefing, _ the office delegates a full briefing, presumably- the office delegates a full briefing, presumably he i the office delegates a full. briefing, presumably he will the office delegates a full- briefing, presumably he will be tempered, _ briefing, presumably he will be tempered, trut— briefing, presumably he will be tempered, but he _ briefing, presumably he will be tempered, but he is— briefing, presumably he will be tempered, but he is not- tempered, but he is not consistent. _ tempered, but he is not consistent. no - tempered, but he is not consistent. no one - tempered, but he is not consistent. no one willl tempered, but he is not- consistent. no one will accuse him _ consistent. no one will accuse

him of— consistent. no one will accuse him of that _ consistent. no one will accuse him of that. and _ consistent. no one will accuse him of that. and he _ consistent. no one will accuse him of that. and he is- consistent. no one will accuse him of that. and he is not- consistent. no one will accuse him of that. and he is not yetl him of that. and he is not yet president. _ him of that. and he is not yet president. so— him of that. and he is not yet president, so we _ him of that. and he is not yet president, so we will- him of that. and he is not yet president, so we will listen i president, so we will listen and — president, so we will listen and we _ president, so we will listen and we will— president, so we will listen and we will see _ president, so we will listen and we will see what - president, so we will listen and we will see what he . president, so we will listen . and we will see what he does when — and we will see what he does when he _ and we will see what he does when he gets— and we will see what he does when he gets into _ and we will see what he does when he gets into office, - and we will see what he does when he gets into office, but| when he gets into office, but again. — when he gets into office, but again. the _ when he gets into office, but again, the comparison- when he gets into office, but again, the comparison to - again, the comparison to president _ again, the comparison to president carter- again, the comparison to president carter could i again, the comparison tol president carter could not again, the comparison to - president carter could not be more — president carter could not be more night _ president carter could not be more night and _ president carter could not be more night and day, - president carter could not be more night and day, and - president carter could not be. more night and day, and you'll see whether— more night and day, and you'll see whether his _ more night and day, and you'll see whether his way— more night and day, and you'll see whether his way is - more night and day, and you'll see whether his way is more . see whether his way is more successfut~ _ see whether his way is more successful.— see whether his way is more successful. . �*, ., successful. that's a good place to brina successful. that's a good place to bring you — successful. that's a good place to bring you in. _ successful. that's a good place to bring you in, laura, - successful. that's a good place to bring you in, laura, as- successful. that's a good place to bring you in, laura, as a - to bring you in, laura, as a historian. i am to bring you in, laura, as a historian. iam not to bring you in, laura, as a historian. i am not sure whether there needed to be a press conference at the moment they were paying respects to jimmy carter, but there we are. the juxtaposition jimmy carter, but there we are. thejuxtaposition of it, jimmy carter, but there we are. the juxtaposition of it, how do you see it, the style you get from donald trump versus the diplomat thatjimmy carter always was? diplomat that jimmy carter always was?— diplomat that jimmy carter always was? they are polar opposites. _ always was? they are polar opposites, but _ always was? they are polar opposites, but it _ always was? they are polar opposites, but it is - opposites, but it is interesting, because reagan, who defeated carter, made him that one — who defeated carter, made him that one term president, was the one — that one term president, was the one who coined the phrase make — the one who coined the phrase make america great again, but he used — make america great again, but he used it— make america great again, but he used it in the sense of optimism, not xenophobia, not my am — optimism, not xenophobia, not my am talking about anti—immigration, so it is opposite _ anti—immigration, so it is opposite in terms of policy, but there are some sort of similar— but there are some sort of similar keys, and reagan was the oldest present at the time,

so there — the oldest present at the time, so there interesting things in terms — so there interesting things in terms of— so there interesting things in terms of age, in terms of how he approached briefings. reagan was keen— he approached briefings. reagan was keen on not focusing on the vague _ was keen on not focusing on the vague details of policy, so similar— vague details of policy, so similar in— vague details of policy, so similar in that respect very if in the — similar in that respect very if in the policies and the style of communication. so for carter it is absolutely polar opposite, for reagan was she some — opposite, for reagan was she some similarities but we also see the — some similarities but we also see the fact that this is definitely now donald trump's republican party. you definitely now donald trump's republican party.— republican party. you talk aboutjust _ republican party. you talk aboutjust a _ republican party. you talk aboutjust a positions, - republican party. you talk i aboutjust a positions, gary, he could hardly have two different characters thanjimmy carter different characters than jimmy carter and different characters thanjimmy carter and donald trump. i think timmy carter said the most expert in everything that happened to him growing up in the 1930s was that the house where he was raised got electricity —— jimmy carter said the most extraordinary thing. his life in some respect was 19th—century america when he was a teenager. was 19th-century america when he was a teenager.— he was a teenager. absolutely ri . ht, he was a teenager. absolutely right. and _ he was a teenager. absolutely right, and donald _ he was a teenager. absolutely right, and donald trump - he was a teenager. absolutely| right, and donald trump railing against electricity today in his press conference, in one of those moments where he riffs,

talking about how gas fires are much better than electric fires and they look nicer and all that kind of stuff that we got used to in his first term. one of the things i think it's different this time around the christian, is that if you remember at the beginning of donald trump is my first term, he had people he james mattis the pentagon and people like rex tillerson in the state department. he had people in congress who were stopping him doing some stuff — not all stuff, but stopping and doing some stuff. this time, it is different. there is not going to be a jeff sessions launching a russia probe, and mother investigation, the defence department is not going to stand in the way of what he says on this date or that. state department, the same. —— the mother investigation. before us, there is the courts and there's plenty of money sloshing around in america, stop him doing things, but

there will not be that political internal opposition, and as your guest was saying, he has won some of these big arguments. the republican party that was the free—trade party, the party of free global trade, is now protectionist, and that is now protectionist, and that is his doing, because he has reshaped it in his image. the motorcade — reshaped it in his image. the motorcade just _ reshaped it in his image. the motorcade just starting to arrive on the outskirts of the city centre in washington, dc. we are considering to watch that. it is due very shortly at the national navy memorial. we will pick it up there. let's take a short break in the meantime. across the world and around the uk, this is bbc news.

welcome back. we are continuing to watch the motorcade carrying the casket ofjimmy carter, which as you can see now is arriving in the centre of washington, dc. infact, the

pace of that motorcade has just slowed. it is about to come to a stop. the us naval academy, of course, jimmy carter in his early life served in the us navy, you can see there that the procession is starting to form their on pennsylvania avenue. laura, just on these early life, why they have chosen the national navy memorial, he started in the navy in 1948. training for submarine duty. but later in his life, he actually started work on the fledgling nuclear programme within the us submarines.— programme within the us submarines. ~ , , ., submarines. absolutely, and actually and _ submarines. absolutely, and actually and his _ submarines. absolutely, and actually and his wife - actually and his wife rosalind's funeral last year, their— rosalind's funeral last year, their daughter amy read a letter— their daughter amy read a letter he had written from the navy— letter he had written from the navy sick— letter he had written from the navy sick how much she missed her _ navy sick how much she missed her he — navy sick how much she missed her. he came back from the navy afterward — her. he came back from the navy afterward to return to the agribusiness. it was more of an agricultural business than a farm — agricultural business than a farm he _

agricultural business than a farm. he became famous camping as that _ farm. he became famous camping as that peanut farmer, some memorials have jars of peanut in his— memorials have jars of peanut in his honour, but it was a business _ in his honour, but it was a business how that he was successful from his family was very— successful from his family was very successful in plains, georgia, _ very successful in plains, georgia, and so he became on for that— georgia, and so he became on for that and build him seven politics— for that and build him seven politics -- _ for that and build him seven politics —— became known for that, — politics —— became known for that, governor of georgia and then— that, governor of georgia and then president. | that, governor of georgia and then president.— then president. i don't know --eole then president. i don't know people op — then president. i don't know people op into _ then president. i don't know people up into the _ then president. i don't know people up into the navy - people up into the navy memorial in washington. it is pretty spectacular, this granite that reforms the world just in front of the memorial of the navy officer, and of course when you look back in history, you would find the act that was signed to fund this memorial was actually signed by jimmy carter, so this is a sort of symmetry to what is going on here, so in the next few minutes what we are going to see is the casket transferred from the motorcade to the wagon, which will be pulled down pennsylvania avenue, about 25 minute journey to the us

capitol building, and as i say, maybe we will run the pictures again for you. this very much evoking his first day in office and he walked down pennsylvania avenue when he became to power. you see there that there is a formation of the midshipmen from the us naval academy, also the us navy band and the secretary of the navy also present this afternoon. ambassador, for people who are not familiar with this memorial in the centre of washington, maybe you could just describe what we are seeing here and the poignancy of this.— poignancy of this. well, i cannot see _ poignancy of this. well, i cannot see it _ poignancy of this. well, i cannot see it right - poignancy of this. well, i cannot see it right now, | poignancy of this. well, i i cannot see it right now, but poignancy of this. well, i - cannot see it right now, but i do know— cannot see it right now, but i do know that _ cannot see it right now, but i do know that the _ cannot see it right now, but i do know that the memorial. do know that the memorial itself— do know that the memorial itself is _ do know that the memorial itself is spectacular- do know that the memorial itself is spectacular and - do know that the memorial itself is spectacular and i i itself is spectacular and i have _ itself is spectacular and i have two _ itself is spectacular and i have two siblings - itself is spectacular and i have two siblings who i itself is spectacular and i l have two siblings who were itself is spectacular and i - have two siblings who were in the navy. _ have two siblings who were in the navy. so— have two siblings who were in the navy, so i've _ have two siblings who were in the navy, so i've been - have two siblings who were in the navy, so i've been to- have two siblings who were in the navy, so i've been to it i the navy, so i've been to it many, _ the navy, so i've been to it many. many— the navy, so i've been to it many, many times, - the navy, so i've been to it many, many times, and . the navy, so i've been to it - many, many times, and having a caisson, — many, many times, and having a caisson, the _ many, many times, and having a caisson, the horse _ many, many times, and having a caisson, the horse drawn - caisson, the horse drawn carriage. _ caisson, the horse drawn carriage, with _ caisson, the horse drawn carriage, with the - caisson, the horse drawn carriage, with the coffin. caisson, the horse drawnl carriage, with the coffin is one — carriage, with the coffin is one of— carriage, with the coffin is one of the _ carriage, with the coffin is one of the most _ carriage, with the coffin is one of the most moving i one of the most moving ceremonies— one of the most moving ceremonies anyone - one of the most moving ceremonies anyone can| one of the most moving -

ceremonies anyone can ever witness — ceremonies anyone can ever witness it— ceremonies anyone can ever witness. it moves— ceremonies anyone can ever witness. it moves silently. ceremonies anyone can ever. witness. it moves silently and grandly— witness. it moves silently and grandly and _ witness. it moves silently and grandly and slowly _ witness. it moves silently and grandly and slowly and - witness. it moves silently and grandly and slowly and it - witness. it moves silently and grandly and slowly and it is i grandly and slowly and it is highly— grandly and slowly and it is highly impactful. _ grandly and slowly and it is highly impactful. it - grandly and slowly and it is highly impactful. it gives i grandly and slowly and it is i highly impactful. it gives you an opportunity— highly impactful. it gives you an opportunity to _ highly impactful. it gives you an opportunity to think- highly impactful. it gives you j an opportunity to think about the life — an opportunity to think about the life and _ an opportunity to think about the life and the _ an opportunity to think about the life and the legacy - an opportunity to think about the life and the legacy of - an opportunity to think about the life and the legacy of the | the life and the legacy of the person— the life and the legacy of the person who _ the life and the legacy of the person who is _ the life and the legacy of the person who is there, - the life and the legacy of the person who is there, who - the life and the legacy of the person who is there, who isl person who is there, who is being — person who is there, who is being honoured. _ person who is there, who is being honoured. so- person who is there, who is being honoured. so this - being honoured. so this particularly— being honoured. so this particularly on - being honoured. so this particularly on such - being honoured. so this particularly on such a i being honoured. so this - particularly on such a snowy occasion, _ particularly on such a snowy occasion, it's— particularly on such a snowy occasion, it's all— particularly on such a snowy occasion, it's all white - particularly on such a snowy i occasion, it's all white around the city, — occasion, it's all white around the city, all— occasion, it's all white around the city, all the _ occasion, it's all white around the city, all the street- the city, all the street closures _ the city, all the street closures so _ the city, all the street closures so it - the city, all the street closures so it is - the city, all the street closures so it is much| the city, all the street- closures so it is much quieter than — closures so it is much quieter than it— closures so it is much quieter than it normally— closures so it is much quieter than it normally is, _ closures so it is much quieter than it normally is, it's- closures so it is much quieter than it normally is, it's quitel than it normally is, it's quite an emotional— than it normally is, it's quite an emotional thing - than it normally is, it's quite an emotional thing to - than it normally is, it's quite i an emotional thing to witness. i an emotional thing to witness. i was _ an emotional thing to witness. i was looking _ an emotional thing to witness. i was looking back _ an emotional thing to witness. i was looking back at - an emotional thing to witness. i was looking back at his - an emotional thing to witness. i was looking back at his naval| i was looking back at his naval record today. bearing in mind that he reached the ripe old age of 100 but in 1952, there was an accident with the experimental reactor at chalk river laboratories in canada which caused a partial meltdown and he was part of us maintenance crew that joined canadian service personnel that were called to assist in the shutdown of that reactor. engine team member, there was part of that group, had to put

on the protective gear and were lowered individual into that reactor for 96 at a time and hisjob during the drop into that reactor was tojust hisjob during the drop into that reactor was to just turn a screw —— each team member. that, ambassador, did provide the basis orform his opinion on nuclear war and on the development of a nuclear weapon. development of a nuclear weapon-— development of a nuclear weaon. . . ., , development of a nuclear weaon. . . . , . weapon. yeah. he certainly had a first-hand _ weapon. yeah. he certainly had a first-hand experience - weapon. yeah. he certainly had a first-hand experience with - a first—hand experience with how — a first—hand experience with how dangerous _ a first—hand experience with how dangerous it _ a first—hand experience with how dangerous it is, - a first—hand experience with how dangerous it is, which. a first—hand experience with - how dangerous it is, which gave him the — how dangerous it is, which gave him the ability, _ how dangerous it is, which gave him the ability, capacity, - how dangerous it is, which gave him the ability, capacity, not. him the ability, capacity, not to have — him the ability, capacity, not to have to— him the ability, capacity, not to have to use _ him the ability, capacity, not to have to use imagination. him the ability, capacity, not. to have to use imagination but really— to have to use imagination but really understand _ to have to use imagination but really understand what - to have to use imagination but really understand what it - to have to use imagination but| really understand what it could mean — really understand what it could mean to — really understand what it could mean to have _ really understand what it could mean to have a _ really understand what it could mean to have a terrible - mean to have a terrible accident. _ mean to have a terrible accident, the _ mean to have a terrible accident, the impact i mean to have a terrible j accident, the impact on mean to have a terrible - accident, the impact on people, on land. — accident, the impact on people, on land. on _ accident, the impact on people, on land, on grass, _ accident, the impact on people, | on land, on grass, environment, etc, _ on land, on grass, environment, etc, so— on land, on grass, environment, etc, so this _ on land, on grass, environment, etc, so this is _ on land, on grass, environment, etc, so this is something - on land, on grass, environment, etc, so this is something that. etc, so this is something that i etc, so this is something that i would — etc, so this is something that i would argue _ etc, so this is something that i would argue the _ etc, so this is something that i would argue the american i i would argue the american people _ i would argue the american people benefited _ i would argue the american people benefited from, - i would argue the americanl people benefited from, that caution, _ people benefited from, that caution, that— people benefited from, that caution, that knowledge - people benefited from, thati caution, that knowledge that people benefited from, that - caution, that knowledge that he brought— caution, that knowledge that he brought to — caution, that knowledge that he brought to that _ caution, that knowledge that he brought to that field. _

caution, that knowledge that he brought to that field. is - caution, that knowledge that he brought to that field.— brought to that field. as we watch this, _ brought to that field. as we watch this, laura, - brought to that field. as we watch this, laura, the - brought to that field. as we watch this, laura, the new| brought to that field. as we - watch this, laura, the new york times wrote... it was interesting piece today because it was not fawning in the way that it looked back at his time in office, like gary said, he really was the outsider, did not always warm to washington and the rituals of washington. and i think in some respects, but we are seeing now unfold on pennsylvania avenue is more testament to the rituals of the office and how he perhaps felt about the capital. i office and how he perhaps felt about the capital.— about the capital. i think that is certainly — about the capital. i think that is certainly true, _ about the capital. i think that is certainly true, and - about the capital. i think that is certainly true, and if - about the capital. i think that is certainly true, and if you i is certainly true, and if you ever— is certainly true, and if you ever have _ is certainly true, and if you ever have an opportunity to visit — ever have an opportunity to visit the _ ever have an opportunity to visit the carter center, one of the i3— visit the carter center, one of the 13 presidential libraries and — the 13 presidential libraries and memorials that exist so far, — and memorials that exist so far, carter's body was there recently _ far, carter's body was there recently at the carter center, there — recently at the carter center, there is— recently at the carter center, there is a _ recently at the carter center, there is a whole section is dedicated to actually he chose people — dedicated to actually he chose people who, equally like him, he trusted them but they did not have _ he trusted them but they did not have a lot of washington insider— not have a lot of washington insider experience, and so his ability— insider experience, and so his ability to— insider experience, and so his ability to get some legislation done, — ability to get some legislation done, to— ability to get some legislation

done, to get too warm to people. _ done, to get too warm to people. it was hard to break into— people. it was hard to break into that _ people. it was hard to break into that georgia group. now. you can see — into that georgia group. now. you can see that _ into that georgia group. now. you can see that things - into that georgia group. now. you can see that things are i you can see that things are about to develop in the next few minutes, the caisson that the ambassador referred to is there. you can see it with the horses in front of a police casket the casket in place. there will be a service in the rotunda of the us capital. although donald trump does not like this at the moment, they are all at half—mast and will remain at half—mast and will remain at half probably through the inauguration on the 20th of this month. to our viewers on pbs, thank you for being with us. we will continue to watch these live pictures from washington as we focus on the final journey of the 39th us

president, jimmy carter. hello there. for many parts of the country, it was a drier day today, even with some sunshine as well. now there are still issues with flooding in england in particular, but the number of flood warnings earlier today was dropping. we're still in cold air, mind you, so for some areas it's still a very wintry scene. and where we have the cover of snow over the hills, it could get really cold in the next few nights. there'll be more fresh snow coming in overnight and into tomorrow morning across northern ireland and this part of scotland — icy conditions, too, heavier falls of snow over the hills in northern scotland. but there are still a few wintry showers moving over the irish sea into wales, northwest england, even into the midlands. those will tend to die out overnight, but still could lead to some icy patches here, and generally with clearer skies and light winds, that's promising a colder night than it was last night. and heading into tomorrow morning, there could be some stubborn patches of freezing fog that will be slow

to clear during wednesday, but generally from northern england northwards it will be dry and sunny. still a few wintry showers for the far north of northern ireland and also coming into the north of scotland, and towards the south of the uk the weather starting to change here. but after that colder night, temperatures may be a bit lower on wednesday afternoon — typically two or three degrees — and it will turn more cloudy in wales, the midlands and southern england. we've got some rain heading through the english channel — that's hitting the cold air. there's still a risk of some sleet and snow in the far south of england, mainly for the downs and the moors, and that weather front will take any of that wet weather away overnight, leaving us still in cold air, of course, drawn down by those northerly winds. we're going to start thursday with a widespread, perhaps a sharp frost. we're going to find the showers in scotland becoming fewer, one or two affecting northern ireland — a few wintry showers for wales as well. for large parts of the uk, again, it will be dry, it'll be sunny, the winds will be light. still going to feel cold —

those temperatures again, typically two or three degrees. and with clear skies and light winds on thursday night, where we have that snow cover over the hills in the far north of england and into scotland, temperatures could get as low as —15 to —20 celsius. so through the rest of the week we've got some really cold nights to come. we still have the risk of some snow and some icy patches as well. changes over the weekend, perhaps more cloud but becoming less cold.

hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. the us tech giant meta has announced it'll be removing the body of the 39th president jimmy carter to pennsylvania avenue and isjust jimmy carter to pennsylvania avenue and is just standing and waiting at the moment in vehicles drawing up behind the casket carrying members of the family and former staff of the president and some of the clergy that have former staff of the president and some of the clergy that have accompanied former staff of the president and some of the clergy that have accompanied the former staff of the president and some of the clergy that have accompanied the casket here to washington, a military honour is lining pennsylvania and constitution avenues secretary of the navies standing by and in a short moment, we will see the casket

transferred from the