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jimmy carter, born one century ago in a house with neither electricity nor running water, who made it to the white house, now returning to plains, georgia, where he will be laid to rest alongside rosalind, his wife of 77 years. sarah smith, bbc news, washington. temperatures in parts of the uk could fall below —16 degrees celcius tonight, as cold air continues to sweep across the country. fresh weather warnings have been issued, with snow, ice and fog forecast across southern england, wales, northern ireland and northern scotland. our reporter ben philip is the village of ballater, in aberdeenshire. very chilly here tonight. the north of scotland is no stranger to winter weather but it has been covered by snow and ice warnings for nearly two
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weeks now. there has been travel disruption, hundreds of schools have been closed for days and it keeps snowing. the current yellow warning here expires tomorrow morning at ten o'clock. overnight though it is predicted that some parts of the highlands could experience temperatures as low as —16 or —20 celsius, very cold indeed but that is still a long way off the uk's lowest ever recorded temperature which was seen 43 years ago tonight, that was minus 27.2 celsius. but with ice warnings in place for parts of england, wales and northern ireland as well, the advice is to stay warm, stay safe and be prepared. the fa cup third round got underway tonight with premier league everton playing league one, peterborough, just hours after sacking their manager sean dyche. it was a victory for everton as they beat the ligue one side 2—0.
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in london with the best insights and interviews. the suburbs of los angeles still in flames and the world on fire is the rough theme of tonight's show. we'll have all the analysis with a top panel here in the studio — caroline lucas, until recently the green party leader, guto harri, who was borisjohnson�*s number 10 comms chief, and gabriel gatehouse, journalist and award—winning podcaster, and nick is here too. coming up, we'll speak to a close ally of elon musk who's turned his attention to the fires in recent days. first, a look at the latest pictures coming out of california. there are still five active fires in the la region, though two have been put out. tens of thousands of buildings affected. the scenes revealed by daylight today, where the fires have been put out, were described as apocalyptic. i just haven't seen anything quite like this. the imagery of this is next level. it's shocking. i'm driving through
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a war zone right now. i'm speechless. i'm shocked. ijust finished rebuilding my house from burning down. from the woolsey fire, i and now this has all gone. we've never seen a disaster like this before. it's very sad because i've been trying to get gavin newsom to allow water to come in. you'd have tremendous water up there. they send it out to the pacific because they're trying to protect a tiny little fish. as soon as you walk in, you would be met with the living room. _ the only thing that's basically standing is the chimney. - everybody�*s lost. notjust this community — the community next door. i'm sure all the people up there have lost everything. oh, my god! what? i've never... look at this. it's because of climate change. and we're just kind of all, _ you know, society as a whole on this planet isjust putting their heads in the semi _ never seen anything like this. and this is really scary, -
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that we're just ignoring this topic of climate change. our house will definitely be next. it is surreal. it is without words that i can even explain to you what is taking place. i know this looks pretty stupid but, if i can save one ember— from burning down my house, i'll take the risk. _ i'll be ok. i'm tough, even though i'm 91 years old. i'll start over again. let's speak to someone directly affected by the fires. joe jacobson evacuated his home in the pacific palisades. he's also a democratic strategist. is your home still standing, what is the situation now?— the situation now? thank you for havin: the situation now? thank you for having me- _ the situation now? thank you for having me- it _ the situation now? thank you for having me. it is— the situation now? thank you for having me. it is standing - the situation now? thank you for having me. it is standing for- the situation now? thank you for| having me. it is standing for now, but i am one of the lucky ones, i was able to evacuate three hours east, very fortunate to have done so
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but unfortunately my house is still standing. —— fortunately. it is for five minutes away from where the worst of the fires are. find five minutes away from where the worst of the fires are.— five minutes away from where the worst of the fires are. and they are still going. — worst of the fires are. and they are still going, where _ worst of the fires are. and they are still going, where you _ worst of the fires are. and they are still going, where you are, - worst of the fires are. and they are still going, where you are, those i still going, where you are, those fires, they are still burning hot? absolutely, there is no end in sight, especially when the winds get worse this weekend. find sight, especially when the winds get worse this weekend.— sight, especially when the winds get worse this weekend. and 'ust how big a scale is this — worse this weekend. and 'ust how big a scale is this for h worse this weekend. and 'ust how big a scale is this for la h worse this weekend. and 'ust how big a scale is this for la and _ a scale is this for la and california?— a scale is this for la and california? , , ., ., california? this is unheard of, we have never— california? this is unheard of, we have never seen _ california? this is unheard of, we have never seen anything - california? this is unheard of, we have never seen anything like - california? this is unheard of, we| have never seen anything like this in my lifetime, it is awful, what is going on, there is a body count in six folks have died, probably higher, so i think about everybody there, i think about my friends and family, i was able to get out and i hope everyone else can as well. what hope everyone else can as well. what do ou hope everyone else can as well. what do you make — hope everyone else can as well. what do you make of _ hope everyone else can as well. what do you make of the _ hope everyone else can as well. what do you make of the official response locally? i do you make of the official response locall ? ., do you make of the official response locall ? ~ . ., do you make of the official response locall ? ~ _, , locally? i think it could be better, for sure. locally? i think it could be better, for sure- we _ locally? i think it could be better, for sure. we are _ locally? i think it could be better, for sure. we are all— locally? i think it could be better, l for sure. we are all underprepared, myself included, but i think local state, federal government, we need better management but at the same
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time we need to ensure that we believe in climate change, and i hope president trump will help us out, he needs to get the job done for us. i out, he needs to get the 'ob done for us. ., , �* out, he needs to get the 'ob done for us. ~' , �* ., , for us. i think president biden has 'ust been for us. i think president biden has just been speaking, _ for us. i think president biden has just been speaking, i _ for us. i think president biden has just been speaking, i don't - for us. i think president biden has just been speaking, i don't know i for us. i think president biden has| just been speaking, i don't know if you had that, and he promised 100 days of support for firefighters in every region, did it sound like he was offering enough support there? everyone is thankful for that, was offering enough support there? everyone is thankfulfor that, but we need to have preventative measures, this could probably have been a lot better done to begin with, so we just need to make sure that when this happens again, because it will happen again, that we ensure we have the proper planning and resources, i think there were budget cuts, so i think we could do a betterjob in the future. we could do a better “0b in the future. �* , ., ., . ., future. and you mentioned climate, charm's incoming _ future. and you mentioned climate, charm's incoming energy _ future. and you mentioned climate, charm's incoming energy secretary l charm's incoming energy secretary has insisted he is not a climate denier, what do you make of that and could that affect any of those arguments?—
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could that affect any of those aruuments? f , , could that affect any of those ara uments? j, , , ., arguments? -- trump's. trump is not particularly _ arguments? -- trump's. trump is not particularly interested _ arguments? -- trump's. trump is not particularly interested in _ arguments? -- trump's. trump is not particularly interested in tackling - particularly interested in tackling climate change and that will make these fires worse, what i would say to him, he gave money after he refused to do so to california when he was told that republicans live here, so mrfuture president, please help us out when you are in office because republicans and independents live here, so help everybody out and do your job! live here, so help everybody out and do yourjobi— do your “ob! thank you for “oining us do yourjob! thank you for “oining us from los fl do yourjob! thank you for “oining us from los angeles. h well, let's discuss that with our panel, including, of course, nick watt. iam i am horrified by this, those pictures are apocalyptic, they are terrifying, and my heart goes out to everyone caught up in it, but am i surprised by it? we keep being surprised by it? we keep being surprised by it? we keep being surprised by these phenomena that keep happening, whether it is the floods in valencia or the hurricanes that hit the us a couple of months ago, and you are ending up thinking, what else does nature have to throw at us to wake us up to recognise that this is being massively
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exacerbated by climate change, that means we need to join the dots, just as some of those people were saying from la, and both properly get ourselves off fossil fuels. what universe does it make sense that we have president trump saying he will ban wind farms, drill, baby, drill! that will happen? lets ban wind farms, drill, baby, drill! that will happen?— that will happen? lets hope he thinks again — that will happen? lets hope he thinks again and _ that will happen? lets hope he thinks again and he _ that will happen? lets hope he thinks again and he changes i that will happen? lets hope he| thinks again and he changes his that will happen? lets hope he - thinks again and he changes his mind from time to time but there is the issue of adaptation and that was touched on from the people speaking from la as well. at the same time as trying to reduce the impact of any future heating, it is about making communities more resilient and that adaptation peace and making homes more resilient and communities coming together to be more resilient, being more prepared, they are not good at that in the us and we are not good at it in the uk either. ~ , ., , either. when you were helping with government. _ either. when you were helping with government, the _ either. when you were helping with government, the position _ either. when you were helping with government, the position was - either. when you were helping with | government, the position was pretty clear, that you were in favour of
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action against climate change, decarbonisation, is your position more nuanced about that now? it is extremely important and it has been positive _ extremely important and it has been positive that the world has moved to address— positive that the world has moved to address the causes of climate change. — address the causes of climate change, but clearly we need to address— change, but clearly we need to address the consequences of climate change _ address the consequences of climate change and may be those two things are out— change and may be those two things are out of— change and may be those two things are out of sync, so talking about net zero — are out of sync, so talking about net zero goals in 2030 is not a lot of comfort — net zero goals in 2030 is not a lot of comfort tonight for people who need _ of comfort tonight for people who need a _ of comfort tonight for people who need a house a new home in the next few weeks— need a house a new home in the next few weeks and people may be worry that floods will hit valencia again, this winter. so there are things more _ this winter. so there are things more urgent even than the big, not lofty in_ more urgent even than the big, not lofty in any— more urgent even than the big, not lofty in any insulting way, but big complex— lofty in any insulting way, but big complex conversations about what you do over _ complex conversations about what you do over decades, there is clearly a crisis _ do over decades, there is clearly a crisis now— do over decades, there is clearly a crisis now that needs to be addressed with things on the ground, houses _ addressed with things on the ground, houses in _ addressed with things on the ground, houses injapan for addressed with things on the ground, houses in japan for instance survive earthquakes better in poor neighbouring countries because they have -- _ neighbouring countries because they have —— because they have developed the technology to deal with that, and donald trump may have a tenure
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to the _ and donald trump may have a tenure to the big _ and donald trump may have a tenure to the big lofty theoretical discussions, but he cannot ignore the burning — discussions, but he cannot ignore the burning to the ground of vast swathes— the burning to the ground of vast swathes of california.— the burning to the ground of vast swathes of california. nick, is this a olitical swathes of california. nick, is this a political blame _ swathes of california. nick, is this a political blame game? - swathes of california. nick, is this a political blame game? a- swathes of california. nick, is this a political blame game? a few - a political blame game? a few minutes ago. _ a political blame game? a few minutes ago, we _ a political blame game? a few minutes ago, we heard - a political blame game? a few minutes ago, we heard from l a political blame game? a few i minutes ago, we heard from joe, a political blame game? a few - minutes ago, we heard from joe, a democratic— minutes ago, we heard from joe, a democratic strategist, _ minutes ago, we heard from joe, a democratic strategist, raising - democratic strategist, raising gentle — democratic strategist, raising gentle questions _ democratic strategist, raising gentle questions about - democratic strategist, raising gentle questions about the i gentle questions about the preparations— gentle questions about the preparations in— gentle questions about the preparations in california l gentle questions about the - preparations in california which is a blue _ preparations in california which is a blue state. _ preparations in california which is a blue state, donald _ preparations in california which is a blue state, donald trump- preparations in california which is a blue state, donald trump has. preparations in california which is - a blue state, donald trump has been using _ a blue state, donald trump has been using much— a blue state, donald trump has been using much stronger— a blue state, donald trump has been using much stronger language - a blue state, donald trump has been using much stronger language to - using much stronger language to blame _ using much stronger language to blame his— using much stronger language to blame his old _ using much stronger language to blame his old foe, _ using much stronger language to blame his old foe, the _ using much stronger language toi blame his old foe, the democratic governor— blame his old foe, the democratic governor of— blame his old foe, the democratic governor of california, _ blame his old foe, the democratic governor of california, gavin - governor of california, gavin newsom. _ governor of california, gavin newsom. for _ governor of california, gavin newsom, for that _ governor of california, gavin newsom, for that lack - governor of california, gavin newsom, for that lack of. newsom, for that lack of preparation. _ newsom, for that lack of preparation, but - newsom, for that lack of preparation, but there i newsom, for that lack of i preparation, but there was newsom, for that lack of. preparation, but there was a newsom, for that lack of - preparation, but there was a lull in hostility— preparation, but there was a lull in hostility today, _ preparation, but there was a lull in hostility today, when _ preparation, but there was a lull in hostility today, when donald - preparation, but there was a lull in| hostility today, when donald trump joined _ hostility today, when donald trump joined the _ hostility today, when donald trump joined the four— hostility today, when donald trump joined the four other— hostility today, when donald trump joined the four other members - hostility today, when donald trump joined the four other members of. hostility today, when donald trump i joined the four other members of the presidents' _ joined the four other members of the presidents' club for— joined the four other members of the presidents' club for the _ joined the four other members of the presidents' club for the funeral - joined the four other members of the presidents' club for the funeral in - presidents' club for the funeral in washington — presidents' club for the funeral in washington of _ presidents' club for the funeral in washington ofjimmy_ presidents' club for the funeral in washington ofjimmy carter. - presidents' club for the funeral in washington ofjimmy carter. you | washington ofjimmy carter. you always— washington ofjimmy carter. you always find — washington ofjimmy carter. you always find unlikely _ washington ofjimmy carter. you always find unlikely pairings - washington ofjimmy carter. you always find unlikely pairings at. always find unlikely pairings at these — always find unlikely pairings at these state _ always find unlikely pairings at these state events, _ always find unlikely pairings at these state events, and - always find unlikely pairings at| these state events, and donald always find unlikely pairings at - these state events, and donald trump in a light—hearted conversation - these state events, and donald trump in a light—hearted conversation with i in a light—hearted conversation with barack— in a light—hearted conversation with barack 0bama — in a light—hearted conversation with barack 0bama who _ in a light—hearted conversation with barack 0bama who of _ in a light—hearted conversation with barack 0bama who of course - barack 0bama who of course campaigned _ barack 0bama who of course campaigned against - barack 0bama who of course campaigned against him - barack 0bama who of course campaigned against him in l barack 0bama who of course . campaigned against him in last year's — campaigned against him in last year's presidential— campaigned against him in last
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year's presidential election. i campaigned against him in last year's presidential election. ai year's presidential election. a rather— year's presidential election. a rather different— year's presidential election. a rather different atmosphere l year's presidential election. ai rather different atmosphere to yesterday _ rather different atmosphere to yesterday when _ rather different atmosphere to yesterday when donald - rather different atmosphere to yesterday when donald trump| rather different atmosphere to - yesterday when donald trump turned on the _ yesterday when donald trump turned on the governor — yesterday when donald trump turned on the governor of _ yesterday when donald trump turned on the governor of california. - this is a true tragedy, and it's a mistake of the governor and you could say the administration. they don't have any water. they didn't have water in the fire hydrants. gavin newsom was not happy was —— was not _ gavin newsom was not happy was —— was not happy— gavin newsom was not happy was —— was not happy with— gavin newsom was not happy was —— was not happy with that _ gavin newsom was not happy was —— was not happy with that and - gavin newsom was not happy was —— was not happy with that and this - gavin newsom was not happy was —— was not happy with that and this is l was not happy with that and this is what _ was not happy with that and this is what he _ was not happy with that and this is what he told — was not happy with that and this is what he told cnn. _ i can't even respond to it. i mean, it's, uh, you know, people are literally fleeing. people have lost their lives. kids have lost their schools. families completely torn asunder. churches burned down. this guy wanted to politicise it. i have a lot of thoughts, and i know what i want to say. i won't. and a lot of this boils down to politics? of water. fire hydrants had been running _ politics? of water. fire hydrants had been running dry, _ politics? of water. fire hydrants had been running dry, donald i politics? of water. fire hydrants - had been running dry, donald trump and saint— had been running dry, donald trump and saint gavin— had been running dry, donald trump and saint gavin newsom _ had been running dry, donald trump and saint gavin newsom refused - had been running dry, donald trump and saint gavin newsom refused to. and saint gavin newsom refused to si-n and saint gavin newsom refused to sign a _ and saint gavin newsom refused to sign a water— and saint gavin newsom refused to sign a water restoration _ and saint gavin newsom refused to sign a water restoration declaration
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that would — sign a water restoration declaration that would have... _ sign a water restoration declaration that would have... we _ sign a water restoration declaration that would have... we are - sign a water restoration declaration that would have... we are doing. sign a water restoration declaration that would have... we are doing a. that would have... we are doing a bit of— that would have... we are doing a bit of fact— that would have... we are doing a bit of fact checking _ that would have... we are doing a bit of fact checking here, - that would have... we are doing a bit of fact checking here, that - bit of fact checking here, that would — bit of fact checking here, that would have _ bit of fact checking here, that would have allowed _ bit of fact checking here, that would have allowed millions i bit of fact checking here, thatl would have allowed millions of gallons — would have allowed millions of gallons of _ would have allowed millions of gallons of water _ would have allowed millions of gallons of water from - would have allowed millions of gallons of water from northernj gallons of water from northern california — gallons of water from northern california to _ gallons of water from northern california to flow— gallons of water from northern california to flow to _ gallons of water from northern california to flow to southern i california to flow to southern california, _ california to flow to southern california, where _ california to flow to southern california, where of- california to flow to southern california, where of course . california to flow to southern i california, where of course the fires _ california, where of course the fires are — california, where of course the fires are raging. _ california, where of course the fires are raging. and _ california, where of course the fires are raging. and that - california, where of course thei fires are raging. and that effort california, where of course the - fires are raging. and that effort by the goverhor— fires are raging. and that effort by the governor according _ fires are raging. and that effort by the governor according to - fires are raging. and that effort by the governor according to donaldl the governor according to donald trump, _ the governor according to donald trump, heard— the governor according to donald trump. heard at— the governor according to donald trump, heard at the _ the governor according to donald trump, heard at the top- the governor according to donald trump, heard at the top we - the governor according to donald trump, heard at the top we of. the governor according to donaldl trump, heard at the top we of the show, _ trump, heard at the top we of the show. was — trump, heard at the top we of the show. was to— trump, heard at the top we of the show, was to protect _ trump, heard at the top we of the show, was to protect what - trump, heard at the top we of the show, was to protect what he - trump, heard at the top we of the l show, was to protect what he called an essentially — show, was to protect what he called an essentially worthless _ show, was to protect what he called an essentially worthless fish - show, was to protect what he called an essentially worthless fish called i an essentially worthless fish called an essentially worthless fish called a smelt _ an essentially worthless fish called a smelt cnn — an essentially worthless fish called a smelt. cnn reports— an essentially worthless fish called a smelt. cnn reports it _ an essentially worthless fish called a smelt. cnn reports it is - an essentially worthless fish called a smelt. cnn reports it is true - an essentially worthless fish called a smelt. cnn reports it is true that gavin _ a smelt. cnn reports it is true that gavin newsom _ a smelt. cnn reports it is true that gavin newsom mounted _ a smelt. cnn reports it is true that gavin newsom mounted a - a smelt. cnn reports it is true that gavin newsom mounted a legal. gavin newsom mounted a legal challenge — gavin newsom mounted a legal challenge to _ gavin newsom mounted a legal challenge to a _ gavin newsom mounted a legal challenge to a plan _ gavin newsom mounted a legal| challenge to a plan by president trump _ challenge to a plan by president trump to— challenge to a plan by president trump to deliver— challenge to a plan by president trump to deliver more - challenge to a plan by president trump to deliver more water - challenge to a plan by president l trump to deliver more water from northern— trump to deliver more water from northern california _ trump to deliver more water from northern california to _ trump to deliver more water from northern california to farmers - trump to deliver more water from northern california to farmers in i northern california to farmers in the central— northern california to farmers in the central valley— northern california to farmers in the central valley agricultural. the central valley agricultural area, — the central valley agricultural area, gavin— the central valley agricultural area, gavin newsom - the central valley agricultural area, gavin newsom wants . the central valley agriculturall area, gavin newsom wants to the central valley agricultural- area, gavin newsom wants to protect imperitted — area, gavin newsom wants to
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