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tv   The Context  BBC News  January 10, 2025 9:30pm-10:01pm GMT

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it does turn brighter in northern ireland. some wintry weather arrives over the hills in western scotland. temperatures in northern ireland, probably reaching seven degrees. but ahead of that cloud and with that cloud across much of the uk, temperatures are going to struggle to around one or two celsius. that colder air is trapped underneath that area of high pressure. until that moves, we're not going to see the milderair coming in, but towards the north west of the uk. the winds are starting to pick up on sunday. there is milder air on the way towards northern ireland in particular. it could well be some mist and fog to start the day before the wind picks up. the cloud increases a bit of rain towards the northwest of scotland, more cloud coming into scotland. still the risk of some patches of fog for the midlands and eastern england — otherwise, it's still dry with some sunshine. temperatures not quite as low as they have been, but typically 4—5 degrees milder for western scotland, northern ireland, west wales and the southwest of england. this milder west—to—southwesterly wind is then going to push down across the whole of the country early next week, as the high pressure and the cold air retreats into central europe.
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so, temperatures above average, with a bit of rain at times for scotland and northern ireland, and those temperatures creeping up. still cloudy for england and wales.
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hello, i'm annita mcveigh. you're watching the context on bbc news. tiktok creators argue against us ban as platform could "go dark" in days. the platform's fate now rests in the hands of the supreme court's. tiktok�*s been pleading its case in the us supreme to remain online in the country — ahead of a potential ban. the video—sharing app is appealing a law that would see it banned in the us unless it's sold by its chinese owners, bytedance. the bill had support across the aisle in congress and in the white house — with political leaders arguing that chinese legislation allows beijing to use the app for its purposes — something both tiktok and bytedance deny. more than i70—million americans use tiktok.
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for some, it's a bit of entertainment via short—form videos. for others, it's become a source of livelihood. it's an exciting platform, and the potential to reach is astronomical on tiktok. i think it surpasses those of the other platforms, and as a result of that brands are very willing to spend their dollars and their budgets on branded content on tiktok. obviously that whole pillar of revenue would disappear for our business, so that is the first implication that i would see from a band that would occur january 28. north america technology correspondent lily jamali joins me from washington. hello to you. bring us right up to date with what's been happening there in the courts. absolutely. tiktok has long framed this debate as being a about free speech. that's exactly the argument they made at the two and a half hour hearing at the supreme court.
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the us government's take is this is not about free speech, that this is really about who owns tiktok. that the chinese company, in the course of this hearing, we heard very familiar arguments that chinese ownership opens up the possibility for the chinese to serve up certain types of content to users of the app. you set it there. 107 million people who use this app here in the united states. the other thing they worry about is data harvesting by the chinese government. is there an opportunity for manipulation, espionage. thejustices espionage. the justices actually seemed espionage. thejustices actually seemed to buy that argument. we heard a lot of questions around that. so at this point, we are expecting the justices to take the next couple of days to make a decision. the consensus view has been based on the questions we heard them ask your today that they are actually likely to uphold this law, which would
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mean that tiktok would be banned here in us onjanuary 19. banned here in us on january 19. 4' , , ., banned here in us on january 19. ~ , a, banned here in us on january 19. ~ _ a, a, banned here in us on january 19. likely you are hearing to uhold 19. likely you are hearing to upheld this _ 19. likely you are hearing to uphold this law, _ 19. likely you are hearing to uphold this law, leading - 19. likely you are hearing to uphold this law, leading to i 19. likely you are hearing to | uphold this law, leading to a band. it is the supreme court, so that's it, isn't it? the end of the line in terms of appeals, i presume. there is an alternative. _ appeals, i presume. there is an alternative, and _ appeals, i presume. there is an alternative, and that _ appeals, i presume. there is an alternative, and that would - appeals, i presume. there is an alternative, and that would be l alternative, and that would be that they could basically allow for an emergency injunction, that means temporarily halting this law. that is the route that president—elect donald trump is rooting for here. he wants more time because he comes into office on the following day, he will be inaugurated right here in washington onjanuary 20. he says he could broker a political resolution and something that would, "save tiktok" in his words. that's a lot of tiktok users that we've spoken here today want to commend it certainly would a lot of content creators to make a living off of tiktok want as well. , , , , a living off of tiktok want as
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well. , , , ~' ., a living off of tiktok want as well. , , , ~ ., well. just briefly, i know some of those people _ well. just briefly, i know some of those people have - well. just briefly, i know some of those people have been - of those people have been protesting outside the supreme court today. tell us more about what they said.— what they said. well, i spoke to a number— what they said. well, i spoke to a number of— what they said. well, i spoke to a number of young - what they said. well, i spoke | to a number of young people. there are a whole host of couege there are a whole host of college students here in washington, people who come here to do internships, they say that this is where they get their news. this is where they spend a lot of their free time. they absolutely buy the argument from tiktok that this violates their free speech rights. let's speak to us political and communications strategist shannon felton—spence. leon emirali — entrepreneur and former aide to the uk s chief secretary to the treasury where you stand on this discussion about tiktok and those questions from current us government on the security concerns?— concerns? listen, i'm 1000 ears concerns? listen, i'm1000 years old. _ concerns? listen, i'm1000 years old. so _ concerns? listen, i'm1000 years old, so i _ concerns? listen, i'm1000 years old, so i will- concerns? listen, i'm1000 years old, so i will preface l years old, so i will preface all of this that i don't use
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tiktok unless somebody has reposted a tiktok on instagram where1000 euros a person like me will find it. where 1000 euros a person like me will find it.— me will find it. you are looking _ me will find it. you are looking really - me will find it. you are looking really good - me will find it. you are looking really good for| me will find it. you are - looking really good for 1000 years old, it has to be said. think! thank you so much. yes, i do understand its appeal and i do understand its appeal and i do understand that there are millions of content creators on it. i do think that they possibly could dance on another platform and be just as happy, because i by the national security here. all the 1000 —year—olds like me have had the experience where you are talking to a friend at a cocktail party and next thing you know you are getting served up you know you are getting served up an ad on facebook or instagram or twitter that is related to that conversation, so your iphone is listening to, those platforms are listening to you. —— x. and i think that we would be remiss to just dismiss the chinese government could be listening to us through tiktok. the chinese government in your pocket, you know, more than half of the us population is definitely a
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national security risk, i by the argument, and i'm glad the supreme court is taking it up. do you buy the argument? 0r supreme court is taking it up. do you buy the argument? or do you find yourself persuaded by the free speech argument. i do b the the free speech argument. i do by the national _ the free speech argument. i do by the national scaredy argument to some extent. i think— argument to some extent. i think social media wields a huge — think social media wields a huge amount of power, be that through— huge amount of power, be that through soft influence, be that through— through soft influence, be that through if it came to god for bid 6 — through if it came to god for bid a real—life conflict on the ability— bid a real—life conflict on the ability to— bid a real—life conflict on the ability to know where certain people — ability to know where certain people are through the location that they've shared with their social— that they've shared with their social media app is obviously a huge _ social media app is obviously a huge tool _ social media app is obviously a huge tool. i think we have to be careful_ huge tool. i think we have to be careful who holds that information. that said, i do think— information. that said, i do think that _ information. that said, i do think that tiktok and other sociat— think that tiktok and other social media platforms, they have — social media platforms, they have given so much to creators, to society, — have given so much to creators, to society, to communities i think— to society, to communities i think a — to society, to communities i think a richer dialogue between individuals, and i do think tiktok— individuals, and i do think tiktok is _ individuals, and i do think tiktok is actually one of the better — tiktok is actually one of the better platforms. it's not as toxic — better platforms. it's not as toxic as_ better platforms. it's not as toxic as the lights of x, it's
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a more _ toxic as the lights of x, it's a more friendly place, and there _ a more friendly place, and there is— a more friendly place, and there is a _ a more friendly place, and there is a great deal of information on the educational information on the educational information on the educational information on there. it isn't just— information on there. it isn't just coming you know, dancing and videos. just coming you know, dancing and videos— and videos. wouldn't another -latform and videos. wouldn't another platform simply _ and videos. wouldn't another platform simply pop - and videos. wouldn't another platform simply pop up - and videos. wouldn't another platform simply pop up to - and videos. wouldn't another platform simply pop up to do| and videos. wouldn't another. platform simply pop up to do a similar thing?— similar thing? they've tried, ri . ht? similar thing? they've tried, right? look _ similar thing? they've tried, right? look at _ similar thing? they've tried, right? look at meadow, - similar thing? they've tried, | right? look at meadow, look similar thing? they've tried, i right? look at meadow, look at mark— right? look at meadow, look at mark zuckerberg's co., met up, they— mark zuckerberg's co., met up, they have — mark zuckerberg's co., met up, they have tried to replicate what — they have tried to replicate what tiktok does with instagram reels, _ what tiktok does with instagram reels, embedded into the instagram platform that they own — instagram platform that they own it — instagram platform that they own. it isn't quite the same success— own. it isn't quite the same success and the reason it isn't is because _ success and the reason it isn't is because the algorithm that tiktok— is because the algorithm that tiktok uses is so good. it knows _ tiktok uses is so good. it knows exactly what you want to see at _ knows exactly what you want to see at what point of the day. i think— see at what point of the day. i think that's what makes it so addictive _ think that's what makes it so addictive and other companies have _ addictive and other companies have been able to... shannon, i want to bring — have been able to... shannon, i want to bring you _ have been able to... shannon, i want to bring you income - want to bring you income you are shaking your head a second ago. i are shaking your head a second ato, ., , ., ago. i was wondering if we were auoin to ago. i was wondering if we were going to call _ ago. i was wondering if we were going to call me _ ago. i was wondering if we were going to call me and _ ago. i was wondering if we were going to call me and because i ago. i was wondering if we were going to call me and because of| going to call me and because of the face i'm making over here, listen to my basically think that this is arguing basically for cigarettes. i think it is
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addictive, you just outlined that. i think that content creators have many platforms to choose from and if we are putting ourselves at a national security risk because of a certain platform that is being utilised, like i said, by over 50%, i think other solutions should be explored.- 50%, i think other solutions should be explored. what do you think that donald _ should be explored. what do you think that donald trump - should be explored. what do you think that donald trump is - think that donald trump is going to do with this? he has flip—flopped on the subject of tiktok, hasn't he? flip-flopped on the sub'ect of tiktok, hasn't he?�* flip-flopped on the sub'ect of tiktok, hasn't he? yes, he has. very widespread _ tiktok, hasn't he? yes, he has. very widespread bipartisan - very widespread bipartisan support, i would say that congress might have the last say on this in terms of the support it's gathered. the president might go with those wins. ., , , president might go with those wins. . , , ., wins. really interesting to hear your _ wins. really interesting to hear your thoughts - wins. really interesting to hear your thoughts on - wins. really interesting to| hear your thoughts on that wins. really interesting to - hear your thoughts on that and much more on that story over the next couple of days, because as we have heard that decision from the supreme court is due very, very soon. speaking of president trump, let's stay with him and since the office of the us president was established in 1789
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45 men have served in 46 presidencies. in just ten days, donald trump will make history: the first in that 45 to be inaugurated as a felon president. earlier today, a judge in new york issued an unconditional discharge overe his conviction last yearfor business fraud. mr trump was found guilty of falsifying business records to cover up a sex scandal. the sentence means he avoids prison or a fine, as expected. but it does also confirm his status as the first us president with a criminal record — ten days before he returns to the white house. in a lengthy post on his truth social account, the president—elect slammed the proceedings as a "despicable charade". we have heard from president trump what he has said in the past, he is being victimised, that media is whipping this up, do you think it is going to make a difference? i think
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that's what _ make a difference? i think that's what donald - make a difference? i think| that's what donald trump's long—held views, and i think you will take those into the white house with him. what i think is different and what i think is different and what i think is different and what i think is remarkable is that he had dez hanging over him during the election campaign, overwhelmingly, was still able to win that election to bring him to the presidency, and i think that to something that has to be considered here. it would have been incredible had he somehow found himself convicted here, you know, serving time injail, whatever it was, having just won an election, that was never going to happen. i think it would've been a bad thing to happen, because of the division in the united states being worse than it already is. we have to remember there is a case potentially against donald trump here. that has to be something that the american people decide on and they have decided, they decided at the ballot box in november, and thatis ballot box in november, and that is the state of politics that is the state of politics that we are in at the moment where convicted felon can find their way to win an election, find their way to the white house. it's quite a story.
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shannon, obviously an exceptionally unusual set of circumstances around this particular sentencing. the same question to you, do you think it is going to make any difference to how the trump years, the second trump term unfolds? ., . , , ., unfolds? no, absolutely not. in fact! unfolds? no, absolutely not. in fact i think _ unfolds? no, absolutely not. in fact i think we _ unfolds? no, absolutely not. in fact i think we can _ unfolds? no, absolutely not. in fact i think we can turn - unfolds? no, absolutely not. in fact i think we can turn the - fact i think we can turn the page — fact i think we can turn the page on— fact i think we can turn the page on it now. he has been a convicted _ page on it now. he has been a convicted felon buddies been reelected. we will have four more — reelected. we will have four more years of donald trump, and that is— more years of donald trump, and that is sort— more years of donald trump, and that is sort of that. i felt the _ that is sort of that. i felt the same way earlier in that is sort of
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