hello and welcome to another episode of pad to the presidency. we're in the studio today at myself and courtney. it's been such a busy week were julie courtney. it's been such a busy week werejulie episode live for that couldn't get anything on tape. yes. couldn't get anything on tape. yes, and today's — couldn't get anything on tape. yes, and today's big _ couldn't get anything on tape. yes, and today's big news _ couldn't get anything on tape. yes, and today's big news of _ couldn't get anything on tape. 13:3 and today's big news of donald trump being sentenced in the new hush money case which brings a dramatic close to theirs. he was given a sentence of unconditional discharge, which is one of the most lenient sentences it could've gotten. which meant no jail time, no probation and no fine. obviously, this doesn't mean that he has the blight on his historical record of returning to the white house as a felon. it is big news. he said he planned to appeal the case. what do you guys think? where does this leave things?

it's interesting, we're speaking as news _ it's interesting, we're speaking as news came — it's interesting, we're speaking as news came out yesterday and on thursday— news came out yesterday and on thursday night the news came out that the _ thursday night the news came out that the supreme court was going to deny his_ that the supreme court was going to deny his bid to have the sentencing halted _ deny his bid to have the sentencing halted we're speaking to a former federal_ halted we're speaking to a former federal prosecutor who is speech on bbc news _ federal prosecutor who is speech on bbc news saying, i think donald trump _ bbc news saying, i think donald trump is — bbc news saying, i think donald trump is the luckiest offender i've ever seen— trump is the luckiest offender i've ever seen none of the usual roles will apply. — ever seen none of the usual roles will apply. that's essentially what the judge said. will apply. that's essentially what thejudge said. because will apply. that's essentially what the judge said. because of the extraordinary circumstances of donald — extraordinary circumstances of donald trump entering the white house _ donald trump entering the white house again the sentencing did not proceed _ house again the sentencing did not proceed as — house again the sentencing did not proceed as it would have had been somebody— proceed as it would have had been somebody else who is facing these charges _ somebody else who is facing these charges and had been convicted on these _ charges and had been convicted on these charges. what i wonder is how we witt— these charges. what i wonder is how we will see _ these charges. what i wonder is how we will see the macro world carry this forward. obviously for donald trump _ this forward. obviously for donald trump the — this forward. obviously for donald trump the fact that this was as many le-al trump the fact that this was as many legal scholars call it a slap on the rest, _ legal scholars call it a slap on the rest, they— legal scholars call it a slap on the rest, they see it as a vindication of the _ rest, they see it as a vindication of the fact— rest, they see it as a vindication of the fact that donald trumps inner

circle _ of the fact that donald trumps inner circle that— of the fact that donald trumps inner circle that this was a case that should have been brought in the first place. he should have been brought in the first place-— first place. he won't see this as bein: a first place. he won't see this as being a very — first place. he won't see this as being a very lucky _ first place. he won't see this as being a very lucky person. - first place. he won't see this as being a very lucky person. we l first place. he won't see this as - being a very lucky person. we heard him when he addressed the court for the first time today which was fascinating because he had those hearings in april and may and we saw them going in and then of course every day stopping and talking to the media about how the system was stacked against him. today was the first time he actually spoke directly to thejudge. first time he actually spoke directly to the judge. again repeating the points that is held that it was not appropriate to bring this case, there was no case to answer, it's the politicization of the department ofjustice, of the whole ecosystem. he remains annoyed and angry about it. yes, he's got this very rare hand down of this unconditional discharge, doesn't have a penalty as such but there is a statement to being a convicted felon, particularly if you are donald trump in the circles that he moves in, the way he views himself

he will be happy about this at all. he has vowed to fight on. he's into a lengthy appeals process now. like any other convicted felons at the american justice system will have to wait until the docket number to come up. and go through and let the wheels of the justice system turned. do you feel like it takes a bite out of his— do you feel like it takes a bite out of his whole rhetoric around the justice — of his whole rhetoric around the justice system? it's been a against him when — justice system? it's been a against him when he has such a lenient sentencing? | him when he has such a lenient sentencing?— sentencing? i don't think so precisely — sentencing? i don't think so precisely because _ sentencing? i don't think so precisely because of- sentencing? i don't think so precisely because of the - sentencing? i don't think so - precisely because of the reason that katrina just name, this is now on his record that he is a convicted felon. for him that is the blight that you mentioned and that will for him always be a sign that as he said, the system was webinars against him. in his words it was a sign of his political opponents trying to turn something against them so that he would lose the election as he said didn't end up happening.

election as he said didn't end up happening-— election as he said didn't end up happening. election as he said didn't end up ha enin, ., ., , , �* happening. legal as two experts i've soken to happening. legal as two experts i've spoken to seem _ happening. legal as two experts i've spoken to seem to _ happening. legal as two experts i've spoken to seem to be _ happening. legal as two experts i've spoken to seem to be of _ happening. legal as two experts i've spoken to seem to be of the - spoken to seem to be of the opinion that the appeal is going to bring will hinge very firmly on the supreme court ruling during the summer of presidential immunity. it could end up being heard at the supreme court, this newer case could travel that far to hear these arguments. because it's the immunity now granted to presidents is just so broad. he feels it should apply to him for this case as well.- him for this case as well. indeed the other two — him for this case as well. indeed the other two federal— him for this case as well. indeed the other two federal cases - him for this case as well. indeed i the other two federal cases brought by federal council are now essentially dismissed by jack smith himself because of presidential immunity that he will have going into office. the other case in georgia at which we saw brought there, that has been stalled because of the controversy surrounding the district attorney they ia other defendants there that she could still prosecute the case on. she is right now off the case. it's unclear how that will proceed. i wonder where that ends up and to your point

courtney, perhaps they see this as a line to move on depending on what happens with the appeals. so possibly another chapter but for now ~~ — possibly another chapter but for now ~~ l — possibly another chapter but for now... ~' , now... i think there definitely will be another _ now... i think there definitely will be another chapter. _ now... i think there definitely will be another chapter. donald - now... i think there definitely will| be another chapter. donald trump wants this removed with wants this appealed to be held and he wants to no longer be a convicted felon. as you said, doesn't change the fact that on the 20th of january when he stands up there with his hand on the bible and swears the oath, even if there is an appeal he will still have that line in history against his name, won't he? it in have that line in history against his name, won't he?— his name, won't he? it in the history books. _ his name, won't he? it in the history books. it _ his name, won't he? it in the history books. it is. - his name, won't he? it in the| history books. it is. obviously his name, won't he? it in the - history books. it is. obviously much ofthe history books. it is. obviously much of the attention _ history books. it is. obviously much of the attention will— history books. it is. obviously much of the attention will now _ history books. it is. obviously much of the attention will now move - of the attention will now move forward to the inauguration and the fact that he's entering in office with a mandate after this convincing victory. he feels that he's had several successful weeks as well after the election with some of the announcements that we will talk about as well, the pitchers cabinet. obviously it's going to be that

question of how the appeals process goes forward for the president up in the supreme court was like it'll always be hanging in the background is as long legal case that still remains of the many we were talking about last year. i think the attention will move away from it as he looks to start his second term hitting the ground running. he has all the business _ hitting the ground running. he has all the business of _ hitting the ground running. he has all the business of being _ hitting the ground running. he has all the business of being a - all the business of being a president now. he has to move on and the focus has to shift and he has to get up and running with the business of the day. get up and running with the business of the da . ~ get up and running with the business oftheda. . of the day. with so much happening. i've been looking _ of the day. with so much happening. i've been looking at _ of the day. with so much happening. i've been looking at the _ of the day. with so much happening. i've been looking at the horrific- i've been looking at the horrific wildfires taking place in california and los angeles and obviously we're speaking on friday and there is still danger on the ground for so many people. winds keep whipping, it is truly terrifying the destruction we seen. we talked to so many correspondents on the ground. the questions have also been moving on to what happens now for the people on the ground, those who have lost

their homes and also to the question of disaster relief with female. i spoke on our programme on thursday to a former fema administrator because donald trump to come out this past week slamming the california governor gavin newsom saying this is essentially his fault. he also slammed joe biden say in his left me with no money in fema. i talked to the former fema who said that's not essentially entirely true for that there was a big funding crunch at the end of 202a president biden did pass more funding for fema for the v said we're reaching our ends of term for funding. iwas we're reaching our ends of term for funding. i wasjust thinking we're reaching our ends of term for funding. i was just thinking about the fact that we're again seeing this clash setting up between a blue state governor gavin newsom and possibly donald trump who has in the past threatened to cut federal disaster funding to california. one

of the big issues is talked about is the fact that the north of california is water rich, the south needs more water. in actually it was interesting, there was a small fish thatis interesting, there was a small fish that is in protective waters in the north and the delta are there that donald trump says is some worthless fish and that is why farmers in the south and not getting water. all of this to say, this could be another clash between gavin newsom and donald trump but also between what he deems as blue states and his administration. the smelt is the name of the fish. thank you. keep that in the — name of the fish. thank you. keep that in the back _ name of the fish. thank you. keep that in the back of _ name of the fish. thank you. keep that in the back of your mind. - name of the fish. thank you. keep that in the back of your mind. delta smelt i feel like that will be on t—shirt slogans. not to make light of a serious situation. i think we saw this row between donald trump and gavin newsom saw this row betw