you will be talking about the big ideas behind this but as human beings it affects us. how much time do you spend on your phone? probably too much but — do you spend on your phone? probably too much but not _ do you spend on your phone? probably too much but not as _ do you spend on your phone? probably too much but not as much _ do you spend on your phone? probably too much but not as much as _ do you spend on your phone? probably too much but not as much as people i l too much but not as much as people i know. ~ a, too much but not as much as people i know. ~ i, i, , a, too much but not as much as people i know. ~ . ., i. too much but not as much as people i know-_ too - too much but not as much as people i know._ too much, i know. what about you? too much, and i can feel a _ know. what about you? too much, and i can feel a new— know. what about you? too much, and i can feel a new year _ know. what about you? too much, and i can feel a new year resolution - i can feel a new year resolution coming, — i can feel a new year resolution coming, may be a bit less time on the phone — coming, may be a bit less time on the phone would be a good idea, particularly when the family is together. particularly when the family is to . ether. ~ , particularly when the family is touether. ~ , , ., ., together. well, put the phone down and concentrate _ together. well, put the phone down and concentrate on _ together. well, put the phone down and concentrate on what _ together. well, put the phone down and concentrate on what is - together. well, put the phone down i and concentrate on what is happening on tv, we will be with you later.

in the home of the tech companies, california, the wildfires still burn. can the devasted city of los angeles return to its former glory? i know that we will come back. it is not a concern for anyone. we are so resilient. the city, but the american resilience is unmatched morning, morning, and joining you and me at the desk for the next hour, historian and cultural powerhouse simon schama. the most senior elected conservative in office — mayor of teesside — another member of the house of lords, tanni grey—thompson, multi gold medal winner. welcome. let's start as always

with whats making the news. let's go straight to the latest pics from firefighters are battling los angeles. firefighters are battling at least 16 people have died — and the numbers are expected to increase. thousands of homes have been completely destroyed. more on this story later in the programme. but there's a mixed bag in the papers. the sunday telegraph splashes on the chancellor rachel reeves' visit to china. nigel farage was with us last week — the sunday mirror brands him "nine—jobs nigel" — reporting on all his outside jobs including the money he makes from posting on social media sites. the mail on sunday claims dominic cummings — this remember him? — is in cahoots with elon musk. and the observer leads with its interview with peter kyle telling them the online laws aren't up for negotiation.

there is a lot around. the three of you this morning, we will try to focus on the tension between making the most of technology and the dilemmas it brings. tanni, are you concerned about the direction technology has taken? i concerned about the direction technology has taken? i worked on the edues technology has taken? i worked on the edges of— technology has taken? i worked on the edges of the _ technology has taken? i worked on the edges of the online _ technology has taken? i worked on the edges of the online safety - technology has taken? i worked on the edges of the online safety bill| the edges of the online safety bill and that was already out of date by the time we worked on it. now we have facebook and big organisations saying that they will relax a lot. i'm really worried. it has an amazing powerful good, but the ability to spread misinformation really concerns me.— ability to spread misinformation really concerns me. there was a big effort for the _ really concerns me. there was a big effort for the conservatives - really concerns me. there was a big effort for the conservatives in - effort for the conservatives in power to finally get the uk rules onto statute book. do you feel, like tanni, it is already out of date? one side of this is social media, the other— one side of this is social media, the other is_ one side of this is social media, the other is technology, and the uk government took the view that we wanted _ government took the view that we wanted to— government took the view that we wanted to try to grow that

regulation as much as possible, to focus _ regulation as much as possible, to focus investment on the uk, the americans— focus investment on the uk, the americans did the same thing. looking — americans did the same thing. looking at al, to be want to be part of that— looking at al, to be want to be part of that race, — looking at al, to be want to be part of that race, the europeans were regulated, — of that race, the europeans were regulated, the americans there so, obviously— regulated, the americans there so, obviously there are pluses and minuses — obviously there are pluses and minuses do no regulation and the kind of— minuses do no regulation and the kind of wild west that we saw with social _ kind of wild west that we saw with social media over the last ten years — social media over the last ten ears. ., y ., social media over the last ten ears. ., , ., ., ., years. to give you that the ground has been shifting _ years. to give you that the ground has been shifting in _ years. to give you that the ground has been shifting in recent - years. to give you that the ground has been shifting in recent days? | years. to give you that the ground l has been shifting in recent days? no social media, one of the most simple things in social media with the likes of twitter and facebook would be to treat them like we treat the rest of the media and have them as a publisher. taste rest of the media and have them as a ublisher. ~ ., �* ., publisher. we don't need an online safety bill. — publisher. we don't need an online safety bill, because _ publisher. we don't need an online safety bill, because there - publisher. we don't need an online safety bill, because there is - publisher. we don't need an online safety bill, because there is lots i safety bill, because there is lots of regulation as you well know that they are _ of regulation as you well know that they are not subject to. they they are not sub'ect to. they have alwa s they are not sub'ect to. they have always thought — they are not subject to. they have always thought the _ they are not subject to. they have always thought the notion - they are not subject to. they have always thought the notion that i they are not subject to. they have | always thought the notion that they are publishers. how do you see this, because it is risk and reward. living in america, it goes back to

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advancing artificial intelligence could help us pay our way. let's start talking about this in a clear way. the notion of advanced technology and artificial intelligence. you are saying that we have to make the most of this as a country as you want to do that as a government but can you give us practical examples of what you think ai could do for us that it is not currently?— ai could do for us that it is not currently? ai could do for us that it is not currentl ? ~' , , ., ~ currently? the key thing is that ai will transform _ currently? the key thing is that ai will transform economy _ currently? the key thing is that ai will transform economy and - currently? the key thing is that al l will transform economy and society. if we get it right there is potential for individuals and people with learning disabilities and neurological challenges, will get attention in ways that never happened before, so a profound impact on teaching and learning. this is a general purpose technology. it is not one specific technology. it is not one specific technology. even in health, ai will

transform the ability for scanning to become more precise, more swift and able to detect early patterns so getting to diseases like cancer big bore gets to the difficulty treat stage, and that same technology will be making sure that doctors and all of the interactions that they have to have are more productive, swifter and more accurate. more time with patients, less time filling out forms. this is one technology that will be applied across the economy and society. this could wash across our country and society in a way that government sits back and let it happen. that is not what i went into politics for. if we get this right, we will be able to be in the driving seat of it creating innovation therefore the wealth created from therefore the wealth created from the technology stays in the country and contributes to our economic growth and prosperity. and the technology that comes out of the other end benefits everyone from every part of the country equally, and is notjust the preserve of people with privilege and affluence.

you have mentioned health and education and learning. you suggest teachers use more of this ai education and learning. you suggest teachers use more of this al to plan lessons. the technology still gets things wrong. should we be trusting it in schools, should we be trusting it in schools, should we be trusting it in schools, should we be trusting it in hospitals? it in schools, should we be trusting it in h05pitals?_ it in schools, should we be trusting it in h05pitals?— it in hospitals? safety, and making sure that where _ it in hospitals? safety, and making sure that where there _ it in hospitals? safety, and making sure that where there is _ it in hospitals? safety, and making sure that where there is bias, - it in hospitals? safety, and making sure that where there is bias, it. it in hospitals? safety, and making sure that where there is bias, it is| sure that where there is bias, it is dealt with, has to be the first step. we have to make sure that people are protected. that is the point of safety. we have to make sure that people feel safe. the purpose of that is if they feel safe they will embrace technology, if they will embrace technology, if they are fearful of it they will not. is they are fearful of it they will not. . . they are fearful of it they will not. , ., ., , not. is an example in the last coule not. is an example in the last couple of _ not. is an example in the last couple of weeks, _ not. is an example in the last couple of weeks, apple, - not. is an example in the last couple of weeks, apple, you| not. is an example in the last - couple of weeks, apple, you don't had me to tell you how influential it is, it's ai generated news sent completely false incorrect headlights to millions of people on more than one occasion. if that is the case of getting things like that

wrong are we ready to say, yes, bring it into the public realm, public services, more and to our lives in schools and hospitals? this is the trade-off _ lives in schools and hospitals? try 3 is the trade—off with fast moving technology and trying to embrace and capture it. most people now know of chatgpt and the journey that when it first was released nobody seriously then suddenly everybody started taking it, we have been developing a tool using the company, openai that developed chatgpt, so the gauff .uk site can be far more easily accessible for people. —— the government website, gov.uk. is easily accessible for people. -- the government website, gov. uk. government website, gov.uk. is this read to government website, gov.uk. is this ready to be — government website, gov.uk. is this ready to be embraced _ government website, gov.uk. is this ready to be embraced in _ government website, gov.uk. is this ready to be embraced in a _ government website, gov.uk. is this ready to be embraced in a way - government website, gov.uk. is this ready to be embraced in a way that. ready to be embraced in a way that you wanted to be in public services and in all of our lives? in government i want to make sure that the technology is put to good use for the public so we have been using

a model on government data within all of those web pages, but we know that it will make mistakes. we have to test it rigorously as much as we can. we went through the same process of allowing the public to come in and do beta testing for it. i did not run away from this, i personally headed that up. with technology we have to make sure that we go through the process of innovation, and safety, then deployment, and where there are issues 1413