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to netanyahu might then had to lead a minority government. you touched on the humanitarian surge that is supposed to be within deal. i was listening to one aid agency worker yesterday talking about the fact that they are desperate for more detail about when that might start, because they say the need is so huge on the ground in gaza. yes, you know, before the war started, gaza was getting about 3000 trucks of humanitarian aid per day to sustain a population of 2 million people. that dropped just a few dozen trips per day sometimes over the last 15 months. humanitarian needs are absolutely dire. people have been surviving by eating grass and animal feed. the need
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for hunger, the need for food and water and vital supplies is immense, as is the need for supplies to the hospitals and medical facilities. supplies to the hospitals and medicalfacilities. the supplies to the hospitals and medical facilities. the vast majority of gaza's medical facilities have been destroyed or are out of action, so operations have been carried out without anaesthetic, on floors. it's a disastrous situation on the ground. as on the ground. as part of the ceasefire deal, situation on the ground. as part of the ceasefire deal, humanitarian aid would be humanitarian aid would be flooded in. another line coming flooded in. another line coming through. the limitation of the through. the limitation of the agreement would be guaranteed agreement would be guaranteed by qatar, egypt and the us. by qatar, egypt and the us. they have been leading the they have been leading the negotiations. the negotiations negotiations. the negotiations over the second phase, as we over the second phase, as we were saying, would begin by the were saying, would begin by the 16th day of phase one are 16th day of phase one are expected to include the release expected to include the release of all remaining hostages, of all remaining hostages, including israeli male including israeli male soldiers, and a permanent soldiers, and a permanent ceasefire and complete withdrawal of israeli soldiers. ceasefire and complete withdrawal of israeli soldiers. that is going to be another that is going to be another
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sticking point, because israel sticking point, because israel says it will not permanently withdraw from gaza because it needs to prevent another 7th of october, but the palestinians, thousands authorities have been pushing for a complete israeli withdrawal, so i think what we're is that issue has been pushed back a bit into the long grass in orderfor the pushed back a bit into the long grass in order for the first phase of the deal to get under way, the first release of
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phase of the deal to get under way few first release of phase of the deal to get under way few months, vase of phase of the deal to get under way few months, with of phase of the deal to get under way few months, with the last few months, with the entire senior leadership of hamas killed, wiped out by israel, but also hamas allies in the region decimated, like hezbollah iith decimated by israeli attacks, and other iran sponsored groups in iraq and yemen and syria also attacked. so hamas is now in a position of severe weakness. the other point, it appears, of severe weakness. the other point, itappears, is of severe weakness. the other point, it appears, is donald trump. he is coming to office on monday the he had said to hamas, there will be all hell to pay if the hostages are not released by the time he takes office, and he has sent his incoming middle east envoy to the region to be part of the negotiations, and we understand he has been taking quite a hard line also with benjamin netanyahu. for better or worse, there is a change of administration coming in the us, which has changed the dynamic and the momentum
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somewhat in american political circles, and added to the change in situation on the ground in the middle east, which i think is why we are now looking like the deal is going to be implemented, unlike it was a few months ago. there is nervousness. i have have there is nervousness. i have talked to people who know the talked to people who know the rich and well in the last few rich and well in the last few days and there is nervousness days and there is nervousness that a lot of focus on phase that a lot of focus on phase one of this deal and a real one of this deal and a real nervousness that the fighting nervousness that the fighting could resume at the end of that could resume at the end of that phase. there is only limited phase. there is only limited detail at the moment about detail at the moment about phase two and three. phase two and three. yes, you will remember that, in yes, you will remember that, in november 2023, yes, you will remember that, in november2023, if yes, you will remember that, in november 2023, yes, you will remember that, in november2023, if yes, you will remember that, in november 2023, if i am not mistaken, there was a temporary november 2023, if i am not mistaken, there was a temporary truce between israel and hamas truce between israel and hamas and they release of more than and they release of more than 100 hostages at that stage. it 100 hostages at that stage. it was hoped that would lead to a was hoped that would lead to a kind of phase two of ceasefire kind of phase two of ceasefire talks and a permanent talks and a permanent
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trust between the two sides and the qataris, egyptians ar in the is going to be announced in the next few minutes or couple of hours. in terms of the absolute basics, after those dreadful attacks on october the 7th have the objectives of benjamin netanyahu about security, but destroy hamas, how far have they been achieved? that's a good question. benjamin netanyahu has benjamin neta nyahu has consistently benjamin netanyahu has consistently said there would be total victory, in his words, meaning the total destruction of hamas. but is that even possible to mock this is a movement which has run gaza since 2006. frankly, who support has actually increased in some parts because of the attacks by israel. with antony blinken, the outgoing us secretary of state, speaking at the atlanta council yesterday, saying that every hamas
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militant who has been killed as manage to recruit another strip the implication being that you can wipe out the leadership of hamas, you can wipe out hamas militants, but you can't destroy the ideology, especially when more than 116,000 people have been killed in gaza in the last 15 months and everyone has seen those truths deeds of sufferings in gaza. so israel has not achieved its aim of destroying hamas. that said, the incoming fire from gaza into israel is largely subsided. and, yes, the senior leadership of the group has been wiped out. going forward, the question is, whether hamas would play any part at all in the reconstruction of gaza. israel wouldn't accept that but, given how entrenched they are and how much support they have in gaza, thatis much support they have in gaza, that is a big question as to how they would be represented. if they are excluded completely from any post—war negotiations,
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who would represent them in a non—violent way? the american side others are pushing for a greater role from the palestinian authority, which runs the occupied west bank. israel doesn't want that. so huge questions going forward over the future of gaza. we will be back in a moment or two, but i want to bring in our gaza correspondent, who is in istanbul monitoring events. he is talking to all his contacts. bring me up—to—date with what you are hearing about what hamas have said in the last little while. there was some confusion about the announcement and there still is, because we don't know exactly when the announcement will be made, but the head of the hamas delegation hasjust told the bbc they have handed over the final approval for the
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deal, which will include hamas releasing 33 israeli hostages, including women, children and female soldiers at the first stage, and israel will release about 1500 palestinian detainees in israeli prisons. most of them were detained after the 7th of october from gaza and there are about 500 were detained before, including about 250 people who are serving 15 or more years in prison. most important in this dealfor the 2.3 million people, especially deal for the 2.3 million people, especially those who participate from their homes in the north, as part of the deal, they would be allowed back to their homes after one week. the process of returning back, and then after 22 days the qatari and egyptian security teams will be allowed into gaza,
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setting up scanners and allowing about 4000 cars to be processed every day, because israel want to make sure that no one from the south, no militants from hamas or other palestinian groups will be allowed back to the north. so that's the qatari, egyptian job, to make sure no militants or military equipment from hamas is moved from the south to the north, and this will take time and take details. the other real problem for hamas is they were insisting for a long time that they want a full israeli withdrawal from gaza time that they want a full israeli withdrawalfrom gaza in the first stage, and this is not going to happen, because israel will keep troops along the eastern and northern border for about 800 metres, and 1527 00
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